Re: debian-user-digest Digest V2010 #186
On Mon, 1 Feb 2010 09:30:25 + (UTC) debian-user-digest-requ...@lists.debian.org wrote: I'm sorry guys, but I've switched to Ubuntu Server 9.10 Karmic Koala. Tired of all debian driver problems, and a ubuntu live usb disc running without problems I decided to switch. As far as I've understood now the issue has to do with kernel versions. Debian Lenny has 2.6.26, Lenny-backports 2.6.30 and the netinst images of Kenshi Muto currently 2.6.32. Ubuntu 9.10 Karmic has 2.6.31. Installation of that OS wasn't without hassle too. For documentary reasons the way I did it on the Intel D945GSEJT board. Answer to Florian Kulzer's questions below. I am also using the D945GSEJT boardwith the R8169 and had a heck of a time getting things going. The problem is indeed in the kernel, so I installed unstable to get a version of the kernel which would support it. Your desire to avoid unstable was probably a good one, as unstable seems to be more unstable than I have experienced in the past. However I did _not_ have any problems with the installation, I used a USB stick, followed the excellent debian docs on how to use the stick as the boot device and everything went smoothly. Well, sort of smoothly, it turns out I had a bad ethernet switch, but that's a subject for a different post. Brian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
don't upgrade grub or grub-pc ! what's wrong with LILO ?
Imagine by surprise when I finished upgrading unstable and ended up with a system that wouldn't boot. And I'm not the only one, judging from the bug list. So notice to those running unstable, DON'T UPGRADE GRUB ! So you're probably wondering what my question is :-) Is there any good reason for a system to use grub instead of lilo ? Grub appears to me to be a annoying, complicated, and hard to understand, and those are it's good points :-( I never had a problem with LILO, but for some reason Deb decided to make grub the default. Brian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: debian-user-digest Digest V2010 #190
On Mon, 1 Feb 2010 18:18:09 + (UTC) debian-user-digest-requ...@lists.debian.org wrote: I am using sid too, but I installed apt-listbugs, which told me not to upgrade grub-pc. So I was saved from it. Generaly I think it is a good idea to have apt-listbugs. Thierry I don't know what apt-listbugs is, but I'm installing it :-) Thanks for mentioning it. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: debian-user-digest Digest V2010 #190
On Mon, 1 Feb 2010 18:18:09 + (UTC) debian-user-digest-requ...@lists.debian.org wrote: And it looks like the drain just got stopped up. The goals of grub are laudable. But the boot process is a very hardware specific thing, and trying to create a one size fits all boot loader that works on all platforms is a daunting task. Neither grub nor grub2 works on the s390 platform, for example. It uses a program called zipl as its boot loader. If lilo works for you, and you're happy with it, then stick with it. That's my advice, for what it's worth. Sounds good to me. I just thought that maybe lilo was no longer maintained or had some other bit-rot related affliction. But I installed it, and it works just fine. There is a little strangeness with the whole initramfs might be too big an image for your bios thing. But i went to the debian readme and did what it said. More importantly the messages present when I installed the package told me all of this so there were no surprises. The only strange thing it did was assigned a partition as the boot device as opposed to the boot device, i.e. /dev/sda2 instead of /dev/sda. minor change to /etc/lilo.conf and everything was a-ok. So lilo works for me, and I'm happy with it :-) Brian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
lockscreen/switch user issues
This is using gnome (and the gnome wm, which is called ?): switch user you get the login prompt login now I get the xscreensaver prompt I check the screensaver prefs and not only is the lock screen option NOT checked, I've restarted the daemon a couple of times to make sure it's not set. Only it clearly is. Any ideas ? Thanks, Brian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: lockscreen/switch user issues
Andrew == Andrew Sackville-West and...@farwestbilliards.com writes: Andrew only that I can confirm this is the case. It only seems to Andrew happen when using switch user. I'd call it a bug that's a Andrew feature. Some piece of code in the stack there is assuming Andrew that since someone else is using the machine, it'd better Andrew lock the screen despite the configuration to the Andrew contrary. Andrew I would wager this is a bug in whatever does the user Andrew switching as the screensaver is doing what it's told. I Andrew believe (without having time to test it at the moment) that Andrew you can force the screensaver to lock through it's control Andrew program despite the preferences being set otherwise.=20 Good that I'm not the only one. Things can be kind of weird here in power pc land. yes - you can using xscreensaver-command to lock it even if the preferences are set otherwise. I'm going to say it's pure bug. If I disable locking in xscreensaver, then, damnit, it shouldn't lock ! Any ideas on what package deserves the bug-report ? I know that if I let the screen saver kick in, it does _not_ lock the screen, as per the setting, so my thinking is that it's a switch user bug. Maybe I should just drop back to startx in two different VT's. switch user is a lot slower than Alt-F8 ! Brian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: New Debian install problem
Mike, That's great ! I'm not quite sure why you could see a mouse pointer if your video card wasn't working. Very strange. My experience with ATI and Linux has been very bad. I've got an ATI in this G5 that I'm using and it's been the first ATI card which has worked reliably for me under Linux. I started buying nvidia a while ago. They've got problems too, but fewer than ATI. Maybe now that AMD's got them things will get better. Linux AMD has always worked well for me. Brian p.s. disable html when you post... Mike !DOCTYPE html PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Mike Transitional//EN html head meta Mike content=text/html;charset=ISO-8859-1 Mike http-equiv=Content-Type title/title /head body Mike bgcolor=#ff text=#00 Brian,br br I figured it Mike out.nbsp; The problem was my ATI 9250 video card.nbsp; I Mike went out today and bought a NVidia Geforce 6200 and everything Mike works fine now.br br Thanks,br br Mikebr br br Mike Brian Denheyer wrote: blockquote Mike cite=mid:19204.57726.330475.553...@gargle.gargle.howl Mike type=cite pre wrap=Mike, Mike A mouse pointer is a good thing as it means X is probably Mike working. Mike To get a login window you need a display manager of some Mike sort. Mike Usually its gdm, but could also be mwm, kdm, and several Mike others (I think). Mike Make sure that gdm is installed, e.g. Mike ii gdm 2.20.10-1 GNOME Display Manager Mike Your version may not necessarily match mine. jDepending on Mike your setup you may be running one of the other display Mike managers. Mike Try Mike dpkg --list | grep -i manager Mike and see what shows up. Mike If there is a display manager installed, then there is some Mike issue with the start-up scripts. Mike Brian Mike /pre blockquote type=cite blockquote type=cite Mike blockquote type=cite blockquote type=cite blockquote Mike type=cite pre wrap=Mike == Mike Allegro a Mike class=moz-txt-link-rfc2396E Mike href=mailto:mikeallegr...@gmail.com;lt;mikeallegr...@gmail.comgt;/a Mike writes: /pre /blockquote /blockquote /blockquote Mike /blockquote /blockquote pre wrap=! Mikegt; I Mike just installed Debian 5.0 and it seem to install just fine. Mike Mikegt; After the installation I rebooted my computer and Mike Debian Linux Mikegt; loaded up, when it goes into the Mike graphics part I see a blue Mikegt; screen with a symbol that Mike reminds me of the hour glass symbol Mikegt; from Microsoft Mike Windows. After the symbol disappears it should Mikegt; go to Mike the login screen but it does not. It goes to a solid Mikegt; Mike white screen where there is nothing but the mouse pointer. I Mike Mikegt; am not sure what is going on? Do you have any ideas? Mike Could Mikegt; it be a problem with my graphics card? I have Mike the following Mikegt; in my computer; Mike Mikegt; AMD 1.2 Ghz processor 512 Mb Ram Diamond graphics Mike card with Mikegt; ATI 9250 chipset with 128 MB ram 80Gb hard Mike drive CD Drive CD Mikegt; Burner Mike Mikegt; Any help would be appreciated!!! Mike Mikegt; Regards, Mike Mikegt; Mike Mike /pre /blockquote br /body /html z!DOCTYPE html Mike PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN html head Mike meta content=text/html;charset=ISO-8859-1 Mike http-equiv=Content-Type title/title /head body Mike bgcolor=#ff text=#00 Brian,br br I figured it Mike out.nbsp; The problem was my ATI 9250 video card.nbsp; I Mike went out today and bought a NVidia Geforce 6200 and everything Mike works fine now.br br Thanks,br br Mikebr br br Mike Brian Denheyer wrote: blockquote Mike cite=mid:19204.57726.330475.553...@gargle.gargle.howl Mike type=cite pre wrap=Mike, Mike A mouse pointer is a good thing as it means X is probably Mike working. Mike To get a login window you need a display manager of some Mike sort. Mike Usually its gdm, but could also be mwm, kdm, and several Mike others (I think). Mike Make sure that gdm is installed, e.g. Mike ii gdm 2.20.10-1 GNOME Display Manager Mike Your version may not necessarily match mine. jDepending on Mike your setup you may be running one of the other display Mike managers. Mike Try Mike dpkg --list | grep -i manager Mike and see what shows up. Mike If there is a display manager installed, then there is some Mike issue with the start-up scripts. Mike Brian Mike /pre blockquote type=cite blockquote type=cite Mike blockquote type=cite blockquote type=cite blockquote Mike type=cite pre wrap=Mike == Mike Allegro a Mike class=moz-txt-link-rfc2396E Mike href=mailto:mikeallegr...@gmail.com;lt;mikeallegr...@gmail.comgt;/a Mike writes: /pre /blockquote /blockquote /blockquote Mike /blockquote /blockquote pre wrap=! Mikegt; I Mike just installed Debian 5.0 and it seem to install just fine. Mike Mikegt; After the installation I rebooted my
New Debian install problem
Mike, A mouse pointer is a good thing as it means X is probably working. To get a login window you need a display manager of some sort. Usually its gdm, but could also be mwm, kdm, and several others (I think). Make sure that gdm is installed, e.g. ii gdm2.20.10-1 GNOME Display Manager Your version may not necessarily match mine. jDepending on your setup you may be running one of the other display managers. Try dpkg --list | grep -i manager and see what shows up. If there is a display manager installed, then there is some issue with the start-up scripts. Brian Mike == Mike Allegro mikeallegr...@gmail.com writes: Mike I just installed Debian 5.0 and it seem to install just fine. Mike After the installation I rebooted my computer and Debian Linux Mike loaded up, when it goes into the graphics part I see a blue Mike screen with a symbol that reminds me of the hour glass symbol Mike from Microsoft Windows. After the symbol disappears it should Mike go to the login screen but it does not. It goes to a solid Mike white screen where there is nothing but the mouse pointer. I Mike am not sure what is going on? Do you have any ideas? Could Mike it be a problem with my graphics card? I have the following Mike in my computer; Mike AMD 1.2 Ghz processor 512 Mb Ram Diamond graphics card with Mike ATI 9250 chipset with 128 MB ram 80Gb hard drive CD Drive CD Mike Burner Mike Any help would be appreciated!!! Mike Regards, Mike Mike -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Intel D945GSEJT LAN and Debian not working
On Wed, 11 Nov 2009, Jean-François Pirlet wrote: realtek has just joined ati as something I will never spend money on again. Intel is about to join that list too. Huh, if you blacklist Realtek (Realtek chips are found almost everywhere...), Intel and Ati, given that Ati belongs to AMD, it's likely you won't spend much money on computers in the future :-) maybe that's not a bad thing. Then I won't be up late at night. :-) Intel's web page for the board says that Ubuntu 8.10 works with the native drivers. 8.10 is ancient, and is probably the same vintage as Lenny, right ? So this thing should already be working. No. 8.10 stands for 2008, October, whereas Lenny was released in February, 2009. That being said, Lenny is the most vintage of these distros (shipping with 2.6.26, whereas 8.10 is shipping 2.6.27). So, more confusing. Supposedly 8.10 works, so that would lead me to believe that Lenny should work. It seems hard to believe that the driver broke from .26 to .27. More than likely the #...@!^^ wankers at realtek rev'ed the chip and so what I have is misidentified or has some other ridiculous problem, i.e. it is not the same chip that the MB originally started shipping with. This is a common problem. Realtek is everywhere and yet, miraculously, I seem to be the only one with this problem. I found one other site, also trying to install Lenny, and they apparently fixed it with r8138. That didn't work for me. And really, no one seems to know what's going on, including realtek, who's website says it works, but fails to tell you which version. Very frustrating. And unfortunately, after many years of linux, still very common. Brian
gcc math functions
Christopher Judd writes: I have a PC with debian 1.3.1 installed (my first linux installation). When I try to use the math functions (exp, pow, etc.) in gcc I get a message like: /tmp/cca016941.o(.text+0x5f): undefined reference to `exp' gcc -o name -c files.c -lm ^^^ -- Brian Denheyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Xdm Problem
Well, I'm not sure if I understand what you are trying to do, but with a RH4.0 set-up all I did was set the init level to 5 to start up xdm. -- Brian Denheyer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
