RE: Alternate size display with ls -l?
ls -alh the h switch makes the size "human readable" k,M,G etc. -matt > -Original Message- > From: stan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 9:10 AM > To: Debian User List > Subject: Alternate size display with ls -l? > > > Is there some way I can get ls to report sizes in say M, or K? > > -- > "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary > safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." > -- Benjamin Franklin > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Restore CD image equiv.
Hi, I would like to know if anyone has something that will work for debian in the following scenario. I build a server with Debian on it as well as a filter (url) and squid for caching. I ship the box. The customer has a hardware issue and replaces bad drive etc. Then needs to restore to the "factory" defaults. How could I distribute a cd that installs the os and needed packages without the user needing to know linux at all. Much like a Ghost image or DriveImage.??? Any ideas? -matt -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Intel SCB2 board FastTrack100 Raid
Hi, Has anyone been able to get the new Intel SCB2 server to work with the onboard FastTrack100 RAID? Latest official does not recognize the hard drives... On RedHat I have been able to get it to work up to 7.1 with a driver from intel.com... Of course it fails when I try to reinstall with 7.2 :( Trying to Debian with this project... -matt
Big Brother deb?
Anyone know of a place I can get the latest big brother deb for sparc or even intel? -Matt Chapman
Squirrelmail with uw-imapd
Title: Squirrelmail with uw-imapd Hi, I can not seem to get squirrelmail to accept my username and password with uw-imapd... Tried to switch to cyrus-imapd and still no difference. I get the "you must be logged in to access this page" as an error everytime... Anyone else run into this.. -matt
Rsync to mirror only intel and sparc...
Title: Rsync to mirror only intel and sparc... Does anyone have a working example of rsync conf file that mirrors only i386 and sparc...? -matt
Rsync failure please help...
Title: Rsync failure please help... I am only trying to mirror the binary-sparc and binary-i386 of woody... I keep get errors.. Any ideas anyone. Here is the message I get in the rsync log: building file list ... link_stat \ : No such file or directory link_stat ftp.us.debian.org::debian/. : No such file or directory done wrote 451 bytes read 20 bytes 942.00 bytes/sec total size is 0 speedup is 0.00 Here is the actual rsync script: #! /bin/sh set -e # This script originates from http://www.debian.org/mirror/anonftpsync # Note: You MUST have rsync 2.0.16-1 or newer, which is available in slink # and all newer Debian releases, or at http://rsync.samba.org/ # Set the variables below to fit your site. You can then use cron to have # this script run daily to automatically update your copy of the archive. # Don't forget: # chmod 744 anonftpsync # TO is the destination for the base of the Debian mirror directory # (the dir that holds dists/ and ls-lR). TO=/home/ftp/debian/ # RSYNC_HOST is the site you have chosen from the mirrors file. # (http://www.debian.org/mirror/mirrors_full) RSYNC_HOST=ftp.us.debian.org # RSYNC_DIR is the directory given in the "Packages over rsync:" line of # the mirrors file for the site you have chosen to mirror. RSYNC_DIR=debian/ EXCLUDE="--exclude binary-alpha/ \ --exclude binary-arm/ \ --exclude binary-m68k/ \ --exclude binary-powerpc/ \ --exclude binary-ia64/ \ --exclude binary-mips*/ \ --exclude binary-hppa/ \ --exclude binary-sh/ \ --exclude binary-s390/ \ --exclude *_alpha.deb \ --exclude *_arm.deb \ --exclude *_m68k.deb \ --exclude *_powerpc.deb \ --exclude *_ia64.deb \ --exclude *_hppa.deb \ --exclude *_sh.deb \ --exclude *_mips.deb \ --exclude *_mipsel.deb \ --exclude *_s390.deb \ --exclude stable/ \ --exclude testing/ \ --exclude unstable/ \ --exclude source/ \ --exclude /contrib/ \ --exclude /non-free/ \ " HOSTNAME=`hostname -f` LOCK="${TO}/Archive-Update-in-Progress-${HOSTNAME}" cd $HOME umask 002 # Check to see if another sync is in progress if lockfile -! -l 43200 -r 0 "$LOCK"; then echo ${HOSTNAME} is unable to start rsync, lock file exists exit 1 fi trap "rm -f $LOCK > /dev/null 2>&1" exit set +e rsync --recursive --links --hard-links --times --verbose --compress --delete \ --exclude "Archive-Update-in-Progress-${HOSTNAME}" \ --exclude "project/trace/${HOSTNAME}" \ $EXCLUDE \ $RSYNC_HOST::$RSYNC_DIR $TO > rsync.log 2>&1 #date -u > "${TO}/project/trace/${HOSTNAME}" savelog rsync.log > /dev/null 2>&1
Making a debian package
Title: Making a debian package Hi, I have found one web page that talks about making a debian package but wondered due to its date if there are any suggestions. I am looking for the easiest way to make debs , I have some programs that are on sourceforge and would like to make a sparc and intel deb for them... Maybe even post them to www.debian.org for submission to the package list. -matt
Custom CD-Image of Debian
Hi: Here is my plan. Take Tier system approach to a proxy/cache/filter setup using debian as the linux distro. I want to setup a box and then slim it down to just what it needs for the "appliance" type of system. How can I then make an image (CD Install) of it so that a user could just get a CD matching this hardware (if that is even a problem) and all this would be configured already? Better yet that the CD have a gui similar to the Debian one that asks a few simple questions that then get written to the appropriate conf files before the appliance starts for the first time? As a side note: What language is the Debian installer written in and where are any sources for it for examples? :) thanks for any input... -matt chapman
RE: Sparc Linux?
Title: RE: Sparc Linux? For awhile I did successfully have an E450 with 2gig ram and 4 400mhz cpu's running potato then woody... it flew. Due to software needs it now runs Solaris 8... :( -matt -Original Message- From: Robert L. Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 3:38 PM To: Debian Users Subject: Sparc Linux? A couple of us are playing with Linux on Sparc. It's supposed to be rather nice. We're currently playing with the Suse version because the guy who started this heard the debian version doesn't work on anything better than a Clasic very well. Anyone running Potatoe or Woody on a 420/450 or something relatively new and powerful? :wq! --- Robert L. Harris | Micros~1 : Senior System Engineer | For when quality, reliability at RnD Consulting | and security just aren't \_ that important! DISCLAIMER: These are MY OPINIONS ALONE. I speak for no-one else. FYI: perl -e 'print $i=pack(c5,(41*2),sqrt(7056),(unpack(c,H)-2),oct(115),10);' -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Rsync
Does anyone have a sample rsync conf for syncing woody? And about how large would the directory have to be to hold it? -matt
RE: Mozilla is so slow! Problem with my upgrade to 2.2r3?
Title: RE: Mozilla is so slow! Problem with my upgrade to 2.2r3? If it were me I would change to woody in my sources.list then apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade. Then do a apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.x whatever is the newest one. I am running the latest kernel images on i386 and Sparc and 2.4.9 is working well. -matt chapman -Original Message- From: Peter Christensen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 8:45 PM To: debian user Subject: Mozilla is so slow! Problem with my upgrade to 2.2r3? I did an apt-get dist-upgrade, to move from 2.1 to 2.2r3, then did an apt-get install kernel-image-2.2.19, based on a recommendation from this mailing list. My problem now is that when I start Mozilla it takes 50 to 60 seconds before the application appears on the screen, and all the time I can hear my hard drive "thrashing." After that any activity in Mozilla (such as clicking on "file" or "edit") takes about a minute to execute. If I were using Windows I would assume that the operating system got trashed again and I would reload it for the umpteenth time. What could be happening here? I think I may be ready to buy a set of 2.2 disks because from a beginner's viewpoint it seems that successfully upgrading the OS to 2.2 was probably too much to expect. It went very smoothly (I was very impressed with how easy it was!), but I did get some messages about what seemed to be housekeeping tasks that needed to be done as a result of the upgrade. Some of them related to files that simply don't exist on my machine, so maybe something is seriously wrong. Anyway, I thought I would post this question here just in case it's an obvious, easily fixed problem. Otherwise, I'll just re-install from a new set of disks. By the way, my computer is a Pentium 200 MHz, with 32 MB of RAM. Is this too antiquated to run Mozilla, or perhaps Gnome or Galeon eventually??? Thanks, Peter Christensen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Kernel-image on intel
Title: Kernel-image on intel Hi, I have made an attempt at doing a apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.9-686 This is on a DELL PowerEdge 1400 It downloads just fine and starts the install. It then gives me this: The following NEW packages will be installed: kernel-image-2.4.9-686 0 packages upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. 4 packages not fully installed or removed. Need to get 0B/7919kB of archives. After unpacking 22.0MB will be used. debconf: (not preconfiguring packages since apt-utils is not installed) (Reading database ... 11164 files and directories currently installed.) Unpacking kernel-image-2.4.9-686 (from .../kernel-image-2.4.9-686_2.4.9-1_i386.d eb) ... You are attempting to install an initrd kernel image (version 2.4.9-686) This will not work unless you have configured your boot loader to use initrd. As a reminder, in order to configure lilo, you need to add an 'initrd=/boot/initrd' in your /etc/lilo.conf To get rid of this message, put `do_initrd = Yes' in /etc/kernel-img.conf. Do you want to stop now? [Y/n] Is this as easy as it seems simply putting initrd=/boot/initrd in the lilo.conf Also I do not have an /etc/kernel-img.conf --- Matthew Chapman # rm -rf /bin/laden
RE: Kernel after dist-upgrade
Title: RE: Kernel after dist-upgrade No, You have to expressly do a apt-get install kernel-image in order for that to happen. -Matt Chapman # rm -rf /bin/laden -Original Message- From: David A. Rogers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 5:54 PM To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Kernel after dist-upgrade I have a kernel built with an epoch as the documentation suggests. Will my kernel be replaced when I dist-upgrade from potato 2.2.18pre21 to testing 2.4.something? Thanks, dar -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: sniffers
Title: RE: sniffers I am looking for plugins for ethereal... any ideas.. -matt -Original Message- From: Martin F Krafft [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 5:30 PM To: debian users Subject: Re: sniffers also sprach Alvin Oga (on Tue, 11 Sep 2001 02:07:35PM -0700): > am looking for a pkg that reassembles emails from the packets > ( dont care that the email packets is encrypted ... > - once you have the encrypted email...you can always(??) decrypt > it given enough time/resources > > - than once we can sniff out the "whole" email... the package > can be installed at the ISP or wherever to pick up court-ordered > email communications ..etc.etc.. or the owner of his company > is suspicious of why the competitor has similar products/timelines > for development... ethereal. martin; (greetings from the heart of the sun.) \ echo mailto: !#^."<*>"|tr "<*> mailto:" [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- i am willing to make the mistakes if someone else is willing to learn from them. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Web Filter
Title: RE: Web Filter The dansguardian mentioned works well and although it does not have a debian package yet the 2.0 most likely will, and 1.5.x will compile with no issues on debian. 2.0 is coming out and should be a great improvement in speed over 1.5.x which is out now. I am actively testing it now for a couple of clients out there. -matt -Original Message- From: Karsten M. Self [mailto:kmself@ix.netcom.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 12:39 AM To: Debian User Subject: Re: Web Filter on Tue, Sep 11, 2001 at 05:44:21PM -0700, Stephen A. Witt ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > I've been following the 'web blocker' thread with some interest and, > on a related note, was wondering what software is available for > limiting access to certain web sites for specific users. I've a couple > of elementary school age kids that are starting to become interested > in the web. I think I need to supervise their activities in this > regard for appropriate content but would like to experiment with some > sort of filter to help out. I'm currently running squid on a firewall > machine (Debian 'testing') at home behind which we have a few other > machines. I've just learned about squidguard, and will probably check > it out, but I was wondering about other software that some of you > might recommend. One of the advantages of Squid is that it logs all site accesses. You can also block sites on a per-domain basis, IIRC. I recently went through a year's worth of logs, mostly curious to see what my profile looked like. It's pretty straightforward to see what sites are being hit, the most popular of same, and/or increasing/decreasing trends. If necessary, such sites can be added to blocklists. Peace. -- Karsten M. Self http://kmself.home.netcom.com/ Praying for the victims.
RE: Perl warning in apt-get operations...
Doing a apt-get dist-upgrade to woody I keep getting a perl libdb.so sharing violation and then it fails to finish! Any ideas? -matt -Original Message- From: Karsten M. Self [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 1:22 AM To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Cc: Colin Watson Subject: Re: Perl warning in apt-get operations... on Wed, Aug 15, 2001 at 04:34:36AM -0500, Colin Watson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > On Tue, Aug 14, 2001 at 11:02:13PM -0500, Rogelio E. Castillo Haro wrote: > > Hi! > > When i use apt-get...I've the next message: > > > > > > > > perl: warning: Setting locale failed. > > perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings: > > LANGUAGE = (unset), > > LC_ALL = (unset), > > LANG = "en.ISO8859-1" > > are supported and installed on your system. > > perl: warning: Falling back to the standar locale ("C"). > > > > This happens later I use red carpet to upgrade a lot of packages... :( > > Where can I set this parameters? > > The environment variable setting 'LANG=en.ISO8859-1' isn't valid. Try > 'LANG=en_US.ISO-8859-1' instead; it might be in your shell startup > scripts or something. I believe that's either incorrect and/or the bug reported is an oldish Perl problem. I remember dealing with something similar myself...lessee...I'd had "en-US" rather than the correct "en_US". My LANG settings are: /home/karsten/.bashrc:export LANGUAGE=en_US /home/karsten/.bashrc:export LANG=en_US Cheers. -- Karsten M. Self http://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What part of "Gestalt" don't you understand? There is no K5 cabal http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/ http://www.kuro5hin.org Free Dmitry! Boycott Adobe! Repeal the DMCA! http://www.freesklyarov.org Geek for Hire http://kmself.home.netcom.com/resume.html
RE: office 2k files under linux
Staroffice ;) -Original Message- From: Philipp [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 16, 2001 3:21 PM To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: office 2k files under linux Hi there, i am willing to do the step to remove windows2k for the whole time from my system. The problem is, that i receive at work many files, that are created with office2k (e.g. excel-, word-, powerpointfiles). WHat program can i use, that can also read and edit these files? Maybe Corel office? kind regards, PHilipp -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
How to make a .deb...
Hi, I have compiled 2 programs that are not available on the package list and would like to know the process of making it into a .deb and then the process for contribing to the package list for that matter... -matt -- Matt Chapman [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.duhnet.net http://www.mattchapman.net
Debian Citrix project
Hello everyone. I am wondering if anyone has ever used a boot floppy that loads the linux (debian) kernel and such then initiates a Citrix connection? If not how might this be done so I can get this rolling and document it. -matt -- Matt Chapman [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.duhnet.net http://www.mattchapman.net
Quicktime Streaming PROXY for RTSp
I found the .deb for the server but I can't find the .deb for rtsp proxy for sparc? -matt -- Matt Chapman [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.duhnet.net http://www.mattchapman.net
RE: Anything similar to Powerpoint?
Well, I could totally lose window$ (other than work) if I could get something that would produce Flash (.swf) files like Swish www.swishzone.com under Linux (my preferred OS). Anyone out there know of such a beast? -matt -Original Message- From: USM Bish [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 6:52 PM To: Chapman, Matt Subject: Re: Anything similar to Powerpoint? Matt, Got your point ... there is no denying that presentations made with StarOffice are almost like Powerpoint, if not better. The problem which I face is going around to different parts of the country for seminars, lectures etc. I have to depend on systems provided by the host .. at most places these are linked with video projection systems for larger audiences. I do not have a portable, to lug along with me. I normally carry my material on disks ... and everywhere the OS is MhBwin, and nowhere have I found StarOffice for Windows installed. I am quite conversant with HTML, and make my presentations at home with vi, quickly switch to "X" and view the output and make changes as necessary. The process is swift ... I used to use IE on the M$ systems earlier, but after the release of Opera-5, things became easier. I can test things on Linux at home, and know that the Win-9x output will be same. God bless Opera ! I do not say that HTML presentation it is better but definitely it is different . Try frames or animated GIFs in PowerPoint or StarOffice, and you will know what I mean. Ofcourse, you do not run the risk of gnome cropping up ! USM Bish On Tue, Jun 12, 2001 at 10:51:59AM -0400, Chapman, Matt wrote: > Good point. > > But what about the presentation product in StarOffice which does > transitions and everything... I have done a presentation with and many > people thought I was using Powerpoint up until I ended the > presentation and my GNOME was revealed! (with large tux background > image) ;) > > -matt > > -Original Message- > From: USM Bish [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 4:05 PM > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org > Subject: Re: Anything similar to Powerpoint? > > > My personal preference is to use HTML presentation on > a browser. Totally platform independent. > > Opera 5 supports full screen (F11 toggle), and it is > *actually* the "full" screen with no browser borders, > (unlike IE which still has the browser frame around). > > This is true for both the Linux and Win-9x versions. > > All you need is a .gif "next" and "previous" link on > each individual html "slide". > > The only problem that I face, is that, I need to > carry my Opera-5 CD to all venues, and uninstall it > on completion of the presentation. Opera-5 is not > that common and is not available on most systems. > > USM Bish > > On Tue, Jun 12, 2001 at 11:10:24AM +1000, Graham Williams wrote: > > >>>>> Matthias Richter wrote to debian-user on 09 Jun 2001 23:30:41 > > >>>>> +1000: > > > > >> Is there anything for Linux that provides at least some of the > > >> facilities of Powerpoint? > > > > Matthias> I've just completed a presentation using pdflatex > > Matthias> (texpower, hyperref, ifmslides) \ldots so if you're > > Matthias> already very familiar with (pdf)latex you might also use > > Matthias> this cross-plattform way of presenting things nicely > > ;-) > > > > In a similar vane I use the LaTeX "prosper" package which does a > > very > > good job of bringing together texpower, hyperref, ifmslides, in a > > simple to use and familiar (LaTeX) environment and provides > > plug-n-play glitz just like powerpoint, all presented using PDF. > > > > http://prosper.sourceforge.net/ > > > > Regards, > > Graham > >
RE: Anything similar to Powerpoint?
Good point. But what about the presentation product in StarOffice which does transitions and everything... I have done a presentation with and many people thought I was using Powerpoint up until I ended the presentation and my GNOME was revealed! (with large tux background image) ;) -matt -Original Message- From: USM Bish [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 4:05 PM To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Anything similar to Powerpoint? My personal preference is to use HTML presentation on a browser. Totally platform independent. Opera 5 supports full screen (F11 toggle), and it is *actually* the "full" screen with no browser borders, (unlike IE which still has the browser frame around). This is true for both the Linux and Win-9x versions. All you need is a .gif "next" and "previous" link on each individual html "slide". The only problem that I face, is that, I need to carry my Opera-5 CD to all venues, and uninstall it on completion of the presentation. Opera-5 is not that common and is not available on most systems. USM Bish On Tue, Jun 12, 2001 at 11:10:24AM +1000, Graham Williams wrote: > > Matthias Richter wrote to debian-user on 09 Jun 2001 23:30:41 > > +1000: > > >> Is there anything for Linux that provides at least some of the > >> facilities of Powerpoint? > > Matthias> I've just completed a presentation using pdflatex > Matthias> (texpower, hyperref, ifmslides) \ldots so if you're > Matthias> already very familiar with (pdf)latex you might also use > Matthias> this cross-plattform way of presenting things nicely ;-) > > In a similar vane I use the LaTeX "prosper" package which does a very > good job of bringing together texpower, hyperref, ifmslides, in a > simple to use and familiar (LaTeX) environment and provides > plug-n-play glitz just like powerpoint, all presented using PDF. > > http://prosper.sourceforge.net/ > > Regards, > Graham > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Kernel upgrade.
Hi, I am running the sparc version potato.. I changed my sources.list for apt to woody and was able to do a successful apt-get dist-upgrade Now how do I get the new kernel? -matt -- Matt Chapman [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.duhnet.net http://www.mattchapman.net
RE: Kernel upgrade.
To all that replied, thanks... I am working on it now.. Debian rocks in comparison to other unixes and linuxes for that matter that I have grown attached to over the many years... thanks -- Matt Chapman [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.duhnet.net http://www.mattchapman.net -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 4:34 PM To: Chapman, Matt Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Kernel upgrade. On Tue, Jun 05, 2001 at 08:41:38AM -0400, Chapman, Matt wrote: > Hi, > > I am running the sparc version potato.. > > I changed my sources.list for apt to woody and was able to do a successful > apt-get dist-upgrade > > Now how do I get the new kernel? > > -matt > With x86 architecture I would either apt-get install kernel-image or apt-get install kernel-source where one has to find the full name of the desired kernel-image and kernel-source on packages.debian.org or by grep-available or similar methods. I guess that this is similar with other architectures. Of course when you get kernel-source you'll have to compile and install the kernel yourself. kernel-package can help here a lot. In case you knew all that, what exactly do you mean by `how do I get the new kernel?'? > -- > Matt Chapman > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.duhnet.net > http://www.mattchapman.net > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- Shaul Karl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hillel used to say: If I am not for myself who will be for me? Yet, if I am for myself only, what am I? And if not now, when? (Ethics Of The Fathers 1:14) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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VPN Client
Hello, Wondering what good VPN client is avail. to the linux world.. I need to connect to my Micro$oft network and connect to shares via samba... may even need to find a solution for connecting to the win 2000 servers via terminal services without installing win 98... I am curious if a linux citrix client would do the trick? -matt -- Matt Chapman [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.duhnet.net