Re: help with apt-get purge
On 2007-06-23, Zach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [rearranging for legibility] On 6/22/07, Tshepang Lekhonkhobe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 6/21/07, Mathias Brodala [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi. Tshepang Lekhonkhobe, 21.06.2007 15:55: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=133421 promised me that apt-get purge now works (0.7.2) but it complains that it's an invalid operation. Dunno if you didn't see it but the last mail in this report says that the patch providing the purge operation was not applied correctly. Either wait for an update or get the source and fix it yourself. thanks for it now works and yes I didn't see it also you can always do: dpkg --purge The problem with this solution being that you have to work out dependancy chains by yourself, where an apt-get/aptitude purge will work them out for you. To see for yourself, try it on any -data package. -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Text processing has made it possible to right-justify any idea, even one which cannot be justified on any other grounds.-- J. Finnegan, USC. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: how to get a working .config kernel config file
On 2007-06-19, yong lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I am trying to build a custom kernel with openMosix patches for my debian 4.0 system. I copied an existing config file from /boot/config-2.6.18-4-686 to my new kernel source tree folder and renamed it to be .config. Then I ran 'make-kpkg kernel_image' to build the kernel. But when I reboot with the new kernel, I got a boot error. I also ran the make menuconfig, but I did not know what to choose because I do not know what type of hardware my machine has. Can anyone suggest me on how to get a working .config file ? I just want a simple/plain working .config file? Any suggestion ? Any document or outline steps? Please help. If you borrowed a debian config, you'll need an: make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image rather than an: make-kpkg kernel_image -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- It pays to be obvious, especially if you have a reputation for subtlety. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sensible way to install packages from testing unstable?
On 2007-06-20, Bill Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 19 Jun 2007 15:48:32 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello I want to install the ntfs-3g driver, which I don't find in the Etch repositories. I read that I can add the testing and unstable distributions to my sources.list, make stable as the default in apt.conf and go for it. Is this perfectly all right or should I do something else? I remember somebody in this list recommending not to mix distributions at all under threat of death. Regards Jose Since the packages in a Debian system are interconnected, it is not wise to install packages directly from one distribution to another. Sometimes it works fine, but sometimes it will install dependent programs that conflict with other parts of the Debian stable. My advice would be to learn how to re-compile or backport a package from unstable to stable when necessary. You can get more information on backports here: http://wiki.debian.org/Backports?highlight=%28backport%29 Or check backports.org where someone has done the work for you ;) The ntfs-3g package is currently listed there. But, as they say, knowledge is power, so I would still recommend a perusal of the documentation on building for yourself. -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Always look over your shoulder because everyone is watching and plotting against you. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: /etc is gone
On 2007-06-19, j j [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have only made backups of /home, but nothing else. I havent found anything in /tmp nor /lost+found. i am not sure how i could have been attacked; maybe when I boot winXP on the same box. Do you have any services running (ssh, apache, etc) and/or any ports open? I would consider re-evaluation of firewall rules, etc, after the re-install whether or not you've been attacked. -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power.-- Abraham Lincoln -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What's this error message telling me?
On 2007-06-17, Telly Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's what I get: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ su Password: ephome:/home/telly# apt-get upgrade Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree... Done 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. 3 not fully installed or removed. Need to get 0B of archives. After unpacking 0B of additional disk space will be used. Do you want to continue [Y/n]? y from here: Setting up slib (3a4-4) ... /usr/bin/guile-1.6: error while loading shared libraries: libqthreads.so.12: cannot enable executable stack as shared object requires: Permission denied dpkg: error processing slib (--configure): subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 127 to here is the pertinent error. dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of guile-1.6-slib: guile-1.6-slib depends on slib (= 3a2-3); however: Package slib is not configured yet. dpkg: error processing guile-1.6-slib (--configure): dependency problems - leaving unconfigured dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of g-wrap: g-wrap depends on guile-1.6-slib; however: Package guile-1.6-slib is not configured yet. dpkg: error processing g-wrap (--configure): dependency problems - leaving unconfigured These won't go through until slib is setup. Errors were encountered while processing: slib guile-1.6-slib g-wrap E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) I tried to install slib, guile-1.6, guile-1.6-slib. I get the same error each time. I tried to install gnucash and that's how I first got this error. I can't even use openoffice (it won't run). The guile-1.6-libs won't install either. What am I missing here? ~Telly I don't see this mentioned in the bug reports. Are you running stable, testing, or unstable? What happens if you run an `apt-get -f install`? Also--I think your openoffice issue is a separate one. What is it doing? Do you get a splashscreen, then it quits? Does it appear to do nothing? if you run it from a terminal emulator, do you see any errors? -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Subject to change without notice. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: AGP DRI on a Radeon Xpress 1150
On Tue, Jun 05, 2007 at 06:12:58PM -0500, Jacob S wrote: Howdy List, I'm trying to setup Debian Etch on a new Dell Inspiron 1501. X is working great so far, except that I cannot get DRI enabled. I can modprobe radeon and tell the xorg.conf to use the radeon driver, but glxinfo still reports no DRI. Looking in the xorg.log file it says screen :0 is not dri capable. So I have tried adjusting refresh rates and resolution and everything but still the same error message. Finally I realized that it is not creating a /dev/dri/card0 device. I am assuming 'it' would be udev, in this instance, probably because there is no '*_agp' module loaded. So I tried loading each of the *_agp modules present in the 2.6.18-4-amd64 kernel but still no /dev/dri/card0. I have seen others say they got DRI working on their 1501, so I am hoping someone knows what I need to do or maybe another 1501 user can share some config details with me. Any hints or tips? Write to ATI. Tell them that unless they release F/OSS linux drivers--and soon--they've lost a customer to someone who does. Then call them and tell them the same thing. Then you can, if you really need DRI, look into the proprietary fglrx driver and module. kernel module building and the non-free repository and needed here. make-kpkg or module-assistant work well for this, module-assistant is probably easier to jump into. But the module will taint the kernel. And, if you're using unstable, the driver will require you to mess with holds of x.org and/or use a (further) illegal hack. Look through the debian-user archives if that applies to you. -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- If we do not change our direction we are likely to end up where we are headed. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: AGP DRI on a Radeon Xpress 1150
On Tue, Jun 05, 2007 at 09:55:50PM -0500, John Hasler wrote: Christopher Nelson writes: But the module will taint the kernel. And, if you're using unstable, the driver will require you to mess with holds of x.org and/or use a (further) illegal hack. What's illegal here? Potentially the hack mentioned, depending on the reading of the fglrx liscense. fglrx, from the GPLv2 (IANAL, of course) -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Eat right, stay fit, and die anyway. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: AGP DRI on a Radeon Xpress 1150
On Tue, Jun 05, 2007 at 08:42:32PM -0700, chris wrote: On Tue, Jun 05, 2007 at 09:55:50PM -0500, John Hasler wrote: Christopher Nelson writes: But the module will taint the kernel. And, if you're using unstable, the driver will require you to mess with holds of x.org and/or use a (further) illegal hack. What's illegal here? Potentially the hack mentioned, depending on the reading of the fglrx liscense. fglrx, from the GPLv2 (IANAL, of course) I also apologise for the tone of my message, stress + posting != happiness. -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- The Phone Booth Rule: A lone dime always gets the number nearly right. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sid and Xorg
On Fri, May 04, 2007 at 09:54:25PM -0400, Frank McCormick wrote: snip what about using the vesa driver, how does it do? Won't run with Vesa for some reason. huh. that's weird. what errors? Dozens, far too many to show here, but the server does not like Vesa I can tell you that! Just to clarify, you are using vesa and not Vesa to test this? -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- I never made a mistake in my life. I thought I did once, but I was wrong. -- Lucy Van Pelt -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How do I setup printer?
On Fri, May 04, 2007 at 10:12:22PM -0400, Ninenineone Efx wrote: It's basic thing but I don't remember how to setup printer. In general user, I can't print any paper. I tried 'lpr' command for test, it gives about permission denied error. You seem to be suggesting root can print? How did you set it up? I checked the Debian/GNU Linux System Admin's manual. The printer setup section is blank. :-( Or have you not set it up? If not try installing cupsys and browsing to localhost:631 In addition, how do I install a simple X-Window manager such as fluxbox? I want to install xterm too. aptitude install fluxbox xorg xterm you might also want to install one of xdm, gdm, kdm, or wdm (or any other I'm forgetting) -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Nostalgia isn't what it used to be. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: stupid dependency on aptitude
On Fri, Aug 25, 2006 at 05:41:03PM +0100, Wackojacko wrote: T wrote: If you worry about the unneeded packages, then use deborphan. I use it every time I install or un-install packages. no hassle at all. The only problem with this is that, IIRC, deborphan is deprecated in sid/etch as this functionality is now built into aptitude. It seems we are being encouraged to use aptitude :) I use Kpackage as a front end to apt-get and find this to be sufficient with an odd deborphan every now and then, hopefully kpackage can be made to use aptitude in the future! The deborphan man page or README doesn't mention it being deprecated. I would be sad if it went away, though, as it's quite useful to, for example, `dpkg --purge $(deborphan)` (of course after checking the output of deborphan on its own) -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- You never gain something but that you lose something. -- Thoreau -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Which package does hardware detection?
On Thu, Aug 24, 2006 at 06:25:43PM -0500, Kent West wrote: What's the proper Debian package nowadays for auto-detecting/setup of hardware? (I also tried udev, but it complains about needing a newer kernel; the kernel was not replaced in my tinkering as mentioned above.) How up-to-date is the kernel? udev should be the right tool, and if it complains about the kernel version, a new kernel might be in order. The debian one in unstable should work with the udev in unstable, as should (as I use) a sufficiently recent 2.6 kernel.org one. -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- You can't get there from here. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: debootstap problem
On Sat, Aug 05, 2006 at 06:57:22PM +0800, Wang Xu wrote: 2006/8/5, S. M. Ibrahim (Lavlu) [EMAIL PROTECTED]: debootstrap sid /sid-root/ http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian after some download i got this messege: E: Couldn't download base-config The base-config package has been purged for months. :) Which means you probably need an updated version of debootstrap -- the one in unstable (0.3.3) currently works. There is a version at backports.org (0.3.2) if you're installing from a debian machine--it's not the same as what I have so I can't swear it works, but it likekly does. If you're installing from an rpm-based system, the .rpm's mentioned in the manual at debian.org are from 2004, so you'll need to use, eg, alien to convert the .deb to an .rpm to get a recent version. -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- I just know I'm a better manager when I have Joe DiMaggio in center field. -- Casey Stengel -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Do I need to upgrade my kernel (kernel-image-2.4-k6)?
On Mon, Jul 31, 2006 at 09:05:49PM +1000, Robert S wrote: I am running debian with kernel 2.4.27. I see that the kernel-source package is listed in the security vulnerabilities (DSA-1097). I do a weekly apt-get update apt-get upgrade but have not been prompted to upgrade my kernel. I am using kernel-image-2.4-k6. Do I need to upgrade my kernel image and if so, what is the correct way of doing this? kernel-image-2.4-k6 will always depend on the latest 2.4-series kernel for the k6 in stable. For now, regular upgrades should keep you up-to-date with the kernel too (I say for now, as I don't know the status of 2.4.x support in etch). All you'll have to do is reboot after the install. -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Blessed are the young, for they shall inherit the national debt. -- Herbert Hoover -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Do I need to upgrade my kernel (kernel-image-2.4-k6)?
On Mon, Jul 31, 2006 at 05:36:18PM -0700, Christopher Nelson wrote: On Mon, Jul 31, 2006 at 09:05:49PM +1000, Robert S wrote: I am running debian with kernel 2.4.27. I see that the kernel-source package is listed in the security vulnerabilities (DSA-1097). I do a weekly apt-get update apt-get upgrade but have not been prompted to upgrade my kernel. I am using kernel-image-2.4-k6. Do I need to upgrade my kernel image and if so, what is the correct way of doing this? kernel-image-2.4-k6 will always depend on the latest 2.4-series kernel for the k6 in stable. For now, regular upgrades should keep you up-to-date with the kernel too (I say for now, as I don't know the status of 2.4.x support in etch). All you'll have to do is reboot after the install. Of course, if the name of the new kernel package has changed, an 'apt-get dist-upgrade' would be necessary. -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- The only problem with being a man of leisure is that you can never stop and take a rest. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Difference between xfree86-common and x11-common
On Mon, Jul 31, 2006 at 10:00:06PM -0400, J F wrote: The difference between xfree86-common and x11-common packages is? and why they conflict? Is one x11 stuff version 3 (old video cards) and the other version 4? xfree86-common is from the XFree86 project, x11-common is from the X.org project. In etch, Debian is switching to X.org IIRC due to liscense changes (but I don't know the details). They conflict because they're from two different implementations of X -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- What is the sound of one hand clapping? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Gaim not stable
On Fri, Jul 28, 2006 at 01:54:19PM +0800, shell wrote: Hello everyone: I just update gaim 2 1.5.0+1.5.1cvs20051015-5, then gaim disappeared again again. Then I start it from term, it show the follow word disappeared again. snip output Seems like GTK error, however I hope it will be fix whatever it is. So it dumps core every time you try and start it? Have you tried starting it under a fresh user? If it continues to fail, I'd check the bug reports (at debian and gaim) and report it (via reportbug -- they'll forward it upstream if need be) if it's not been reported yet. -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Generated by Signify v1.14. For this and more, visit http://www.debian.org/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Install problems
On Wed, Jul 26, 2006 at 02:51:15PM +, Harold D. Skank wrote: People, I'm attempting to install Debian 3.1r2 on a Dell - Optiplex GX400, and I'm not progressing very fast. I should say that I already have CentOS 4.3 up and running on this machine, which leads me to believe that the BIOS supports ISOLinux already. To make a long story short, the system doesn't seem to recognize the boot material, either as the first CDROM of the group of 14, or the boot floppy containing sbm.bin. The original 14 CDROM's were created using another CentOS 4.3 system. A second copy of the first CDROM was generated using CentOS on the target system. Neither copy worked. Does the machine give an error, or boot straight to the hard drive? If the latter, make sure the cdrom/floppy is set before the hard drive in the boot order--I think it would have worked the other way for the first OS installed on the computer, as there was nothing to boot on the drive. -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- No, that's wrong too. Now there's a race condition between the rm and the mv. Hmm, I need more coffee. -- Guy Maor on Debian Bug#25228 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X.org fü r OpenGL konfigurieren
On Fri, Jul 21, 2006 at 10:10:33AM +0200, Matthias Pfeifer wrote: Thanks for the friendly hints. How should i proceed with my message in this group? Delete it? Don't worry about it--it's already been mailed out to list members. -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Generated by Signify v1.14. For this and more, visit http://www.debian.org/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X.org fü r OpenGL konfigurieren
On Thu, Jul 20, 2006 at 02:05:54PM -0500, Mike McCarty wrote: Matthias Pfeifer wrote: Hallo gruppe, [snip] Hallo! Dies ist leider eine ,,nur Englisch'' Liste. Bitte suchen Sie anderswohin diese Frage zu stellen! Moeglicherweise gibt es hier jemand, der Sie eine andere Adresse geben kann. Leider kann ich nicht. Es ist: debian-user-german@lists.debian.org -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Money is a powerful aphrodisiac. But flowers work almost as well. -- Lazarus Long -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: That best way to install kernel?
On Sun, Jul 16, 2006 at 11:23:21AM -0700, Alex Yakushev wrote: That best way to install new version kernel? Depends, do you mean one in debian? Then I would issue apt-get install kernel package name Or do you mean one you downloaded from kernel.org? Then I would get the package 'kernel-package' and search google for 'building kernel debian way' -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Generated by Signify v1.14. For this and more, visit http://www.debian.org/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ssh in debian
On Sun, Jul 16, 2006 at 11:33:34PM +0200, mattias jonsson wrote: how to activate ssh in debian? i run colinux debian Client or server? (I'm assuming here that colinux lets linux talk to the host's networking, I don't how to set it up if it doesn't) The client should be installed by default--to run it just type `ssh other machine` The server will (I think) be installed by default in stable, but in testing/unstable you'll need to install the package 'openssh-server'. With that taken care of, it should start automatically, if not issue `/etc/init.d/ssh start` If it doesn't start, take note of the error messages and search on those. -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- When in doubt, have a man come through the door with a gun in his hand. -- Raymond Chandler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cannot install openoffice
On Sat, Jul 15, 2006 at 09:31:44AM +0200, Pol wrote: As i try to install openoffice in debian/testing i get: apt-get install openoffice.org-bin The following packages have unmet dependencies: openoffice.org-bin: Depends: libmyspell3 but it is not installable Depends: libneon23 (= 0.23.9.dfsg.3) but it is not installable Depends: libstlport4.6 but it is not installable Depends: openoffice.org ( 1.1.2+1.1.3) but it is not going to be installed E: Broken packages This problem, I think is because you are trying to install the old version (the one in stable) which uses old versions of the libraries. What happens when you issue just `apt-get install openoffice.org` Same result, trying debian/stable Exact same error messages? It should work in a pure stable environment..have you issued a `apt-get update` recently? If the problem persists, try installing each package listed as 'uninstallable' until you get to the one(s) which are actually holding it up. -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- No act of kindness, no matter how small, is ever wasted. -- Aesop -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: http://www.debian.org/contact
On Fri, Jul 14, 2006 at 01:45:13AM -0500, Mumia W. wrote: On 07/14/2006 12:45 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Trying to install x-window-system on Sarge 31r1. Will not install due to broken dependency -- missing xprt-xprintorg. I am using deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main contrib non-free in my sources.list file. All my other dependencies look fine. Help would be most appreciated. Perhaps xprt-xprintorg hasn't needed to have any security updates. Add another mirror to your sources.list and do an aptitude update. One example would be: deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free Of course you'll get better performance picking a closer mirror... www.debian.org/mirror/list -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Grinnell's Law of Labor Laxity: At all times, for any task, you have not got enough done today. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Synaptic wants to remove gimp during gimp-data update
On Thu, Jul 13, 2006 at 08:46:50PM -0400, Edward C. Jones wrote: I use up-to-date Debian unstable, i386 port, on a PC with an AMD Athlon64 +3500 chip. Yesterday and today, when I tried to update my system using Synaptic, it wanted to remove gimp and update gimp-data. What is the problem? gimp 2.2.12-1 hasn't made it into the i386 port of unstable yet, but gimp-data has. I'd think it's just a couple days. -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- For my birthday I got a humidifier and a de-humidifier... I put them in the same room and let them fight it out.-- Steven Wright -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Broken applications: Could we be honest?
On Wed, Jul 12, 2006 at 01:17:29PM -0600, Art Edwards wrote: Thanks for the resonse. See below. On Sat, Jul 08, 2006 at 09:36:25AM -0700, Christopher Nelson wrote: I don't see any bug reports with greater severity than normal on http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=ddd and none of them are by you. Do you have it verifiably failing? Have you considered filing a bug? These bugs are not a debian issue. The packages fail exactly the same way under Fedora Core 5 (but not Fedora Core 4). They even fail when built from sources. Then does upstream know? And if it's not working on amd64, the debian folks need to know, even if it's not their issue, because it could be cause to hold it back from etch (to prevent people from having this issue when they expect a stable release) if it's not fixed in time. I'd report it anyway. -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- A commune is where people join together to share their lack of wealth. -- R. Stallman -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: new user with installation problem
On Sat, Jul 08, 2006 at 11:53:32AM -0400, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: Andrea Maffei wrote: Dear Roberto, thank you very much for you answer. My processor is an AMD Athlon (64bit). On debian.org I couldn't find any file for AMD, this is the list I found (does AMD have any other name?): * Alpha * ARM * HP PA-RISC * Intel x86 * Intel IA-64 * Motorola 680x0 * MIPS * MIPS (DEC) * PowerPC * IBM S/390 * SPARC What should I use? Ciao Andrea You need amd64. If you want Sarge, you will need to obtain the unofficial installer from amd64.debian.net. If you want Etch, you can get the installer with the rest of them on www.debian.org. Not quite exactly, an amd64 processor will work with the i386. If the OP wants top performance (and why not?) then the amd64 is the right one, of course. -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Generated by Signify v1.14. For this and more, visit http://www.debian.org/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: vim-latexsuite not loading template
On Sat, Jul 08, 2006 at 11:32:06PM +1200, Chris Bannister wrote: Hi, I have just tried vim-latexsuite on sid and I can't issue the :TTemplates command to automatically bring in a template, in fact the Templates menu does not exist. Yes you can have a menu in the console, just put [1] in your .vimrc file Yes I have filetype plugin on in my .vimrc Is anyone using vim-latexsuite successfully in sid. Did it work out-of-the-box? The strange thing is that I'm using it on a sarge system ok, everything just worked. [1] filetype plugin on syntax on source $VIMRUNTIME/menu.vim set wildmenu set cpo-= set wcm=C-Z map F4 :emenu C-Z In fact that is my .vimrc file. Any suggestions/tips welcome. :-) I can confirm that your described setup doesn't work on my unstable box either ;) Have you diff'ed the .vimrc on the two systems? Might point to a configuration difference. -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Why did the Lord give us so much quickness of movement unless it was to avoid responsibility with? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Broken applications: Could we be honest?
On Sat, Jul 08, 2006 at 10:09:56AM -0600, Art Edwards wrote: I have been writing to the list about two applications that are so broken on the AMD64 distribution that they render the box pretty useless. I'm sure one could say that two measly applications are no big deal. However, if you do scientific computation for a living, and two of the primary tools are broken, you now have a rather clumsy paperweight where a computer should be. You could argue that we should simply learn new tools, and we could, but we should really be doing science instead. Unless such core pieces as the debugging tool (ddd) and the data display tool (xmgrace) are working, it is dishonest to pretend that the 64-bit version is ready for testing. It would be very nice if you, and other distro's, were to put appropriate caveats on the websites, saying that 64-bit is really not ready for the prime-time desktop. That way, we could make better purchasing decisions. I don't see any bug reports with greater severity than normal on http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=ddd and none of them are by you. Do you have it verifiably failing? Have you considered filing a bug? I don't see the package xmgrace listed at all, nor anything in 'apt-cache search xmgrace' -- maybe you can contact the xmgrace community and find if there's the usual suspects (a new version, an open bug with a workaround, etc)? -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- The tree in which the sap is stagnant remains fruitless. -- Hosea Ballou -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Etch ISOs
On Fri, Jul 07, 2006 at 02:29:40AM +0200, Thierry Chatelet wrote: IraqiGeek wrote: Hi, I am downloading the Etch DVD ISOs so I'd have a local copy. Is there any mirror where I could download the Etch ISOs from other than cdimage.debian.org??? The downloads from this server are slow, and the third DVD image doesnt seem to be there (in the download page it states that the third DVD is 2.1GB, but it downloads less than 1MB in firefox and then stops). You usually dont need all DVDs. You can download only the first 2 CDs, you should have everything you need for a desktop install. Better, if you have access to a fast internet, you can download as you install, and also choose a mirror near your place, they are usually faster. You can have to a list of all mirrors here: http://www.debian.org/mirror/list My suggestion would be to install jigdo-lite and follow the directions at (if this is a debian box, grap it via your favorite apt tool): http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/ -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- There's nothing in the middle of the road but yellow stripes and dead armadillos. -- Jim Hightower, Texas Agricultural Commissioner -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to remove gnome-panel-data?
On Tue, Jul 04, 2006 at 12:00:18AM -0600, Art Edwards wrote: I'm trying to remove gnome-panel-data on a stable box. Here is what I get. apt-get remove gnome-panel-data Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree... Done The following packages will be REMOVED: gnome-panel-data 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 1 to remove and 26 not upgraded. Need to get 0B of archives. After unpacking 9601kB disk space will be freed. Do you want to continue? [Y/n] y (Reading database ... 126581 files and directories currently installed.) Removing gnome-panel-data ... Warning: /usr/share/gconf/schemas/panel-compatibility.schemas could not be found. Warning: /usr/share/gconf/schemas/panel-global.schemas could not be found. Warning: /usr/share/gconf/schemas/panel-general.schemas could not be found. Warning: /usr/share/gconf/schemas/panel-toplevel.schemas could not be found. Warning: /usr/share/gconf/schemas/panel-object.schemas could not be found. Warning: /usr/share/gconf/schemas/clock.schemas could not be found. Warning: /usr/share/gconf/schemas/fish.schemas could not be found. Warning: /usr/share/gconf/schemas/workspace-switcher.schemas could not be found. Warning: /usr/share/gconf/schemas/window-list.schemas could not be found. usage: gconf-schemas --[un]register file1.schemas [file2.schemas [...]] gconf-schemas: error: You need to give at least a file to (un)register. dpkg: error processing gnome-panel-data (--remove): subprocess pre-removal script returned error exit status 1 Errors were encountered while processing: gnome-panel-data E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) Have you tried re-installing and then removing? apt-get install --reinstall gnome-panel-data apt-get remove [--purge] gnome-panel-data -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- My idea of roughing it turning the air conditioner too low. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: clarification regarding icons seen during a Debian installation.
On Tue, Jul 04, 2006 at 10:42:13AM -0500, Damon L. Chesser wrote: Vivek Varghese Cherian wrote: I am doing an install of Debian on VMware. My VMWare hard disk is 4.3 GB. I have choosen to create a root partition of 4.0 GB and swap partition with the rest of the free space. I have toggled the the bootable flag on the root partition to on. My Partition Table entry looks like this. SCSI1 (0,0,0) sda - 4.3 GB VMware, VMware Virtual S.. #1 primary4.0 GB thunder icon smiley icon ext3 / pri/log 296.1 MB FREE SPACE I would like to know what the thunder icon and the smiley icon stands for. The thunder icon is we will format this partition and all data will be lost the smiley icon means we will not format this partition, but we will use it IIRC. HTH They're both on the same partition--I was under the impression the the thunder was bootable--but I don't have a install disk to test my hypothesis. -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Your goose is cooked. (Your current chick is burned up too!) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: xmgrace partly broken under debian
On Wed, Jun 28, 2006 at 11:15:19AM -0600, edwardsa wrote: I'm running amd64 debian. Xmgrace does not allow me to enter text in the Filter area of the Read sets window. This is true under both KDE and gnome. Because I have not updated xmgrace in a very long time, and because it has been working well for as long as I have had it (many years), this seems to be a Debian issue. How long have you had the problem? Sounds recent. Stable, testing, or unstable? If it's the latter two, (are the stable amd64 repositories?), it's quite possible that something xmgrace depends on has changed recently, and that's causing the problem--especially for a 'many years' old version of an application. If that's indeed the problem, any sufficiently advanced distribution has/will soon have the same issue. It might be worth checking to see if the 2004 version is recent enough? -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- You'll feel devilish tonight. Toss dynamite caps under a flamenco dancer's heel. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: cannot install aptitude: Broken packages
On Fri, Jun 30, 2006 at 10:24:22PM -0400, Chase James wrote: Would changing all mentions of woody to sarge in my apt/sources.list then doing a dist-upgrade fix the problem: The following packages have unmet dependencies: aptitude: Depends: libapt-pkg-libc6.2-3-2-3.2 E: Broken packages I know the Release Notes say to use aptitude, but could I just use apt-get instead? Could my package system unbreak itself if I just dist-upgraded to sarge with apt-get? Just out of curiosity, what does it say when you 'apt-get install libapt-pkg-libc6'? I couldn't find that package mentioned on pacakges.debian.org ... odd. What uri is your stable line(s) pointing to? -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Weinberg's First Law: Progress is only made on alternate Fridays. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Problem reconginzing package...
On Wed, Jun 28, 2006 at 11:28:18AM -0700, Sunburned Surveyor wrote: I'm having some trouble installing a package. I think I might be totally missing something here, but I can't figure it out. I thought I'd ask for some help. I'm trying to get Subclipse to work in Eclipse with a local repository. To do this I need to have the latest version of the libsvn-javahl Debian package installed. The Subclipse team is no longer preparing this package, but someone else has put together an alternate package that does the trick. The original deb is named libsvn-javahl_1.2.3dfsg1-3_i386.deb, and it is currently installed. The alternate package is named libsvn-javahl_1.2.0-1.ggtools.1_i386.deb. I placed this deb on my local hard drive, and then ran dpkg-scanpackages. However, the alternate package is not showing up in Synaptic. When I try to use apt to install it tells me the version of libsvn-javahl is already current. I think the problem may be with the similarity in the package names. Is this correct? Do I need to uninstall the original package before I can install the alternate? The problem is probably that the alternate package is a lower version number than the current debian package[1]. 1.2.0-1.ggtools.1 is lower than 1.2.3dfsg1-3 -- I think apt-pinning is needed to install _and keep_ a lower package version. You would add a stanza to your /etc/apt/preferences containing: Package: libsvn-javahl Pin: version 1.2.0-1.ggtools.1 Pin-Priority: 1001 Then an update and upgrade (of course with your local repository in sources.list) will pull in the other version of libsvn-javahl For more information, install apt-howto (will download all languages--may want -en or other) and check it out. [1] It would cause more trouble if they had different names, so I don't consider that a problem, but a feature -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Whatever you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it.-- Gandhi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: how to check whether a package has been installed
On Tue, Jun 27, 2006 at 12:11:23PM +0200, Johannes Wiedersich wrote: Rodney D. Myers wrote: On Mon, 26 Jun 2006 16:38:33 -0700 Martin Paraskevov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: rpm lets you check whether a packege has been installed. is this possible to do with apt-get or some other tool as well? - martin dpkg -l | grep package name Better: dpkg -l package name Don't forget about using expressions with that, eg.: 'dpkg -l *latex*' Most of you probably already knew that, but I thought I'd mention it as I use it often ;) -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- If mathematically you end up with the wrong answer, try multiplying by the page number. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: cannot install aptitude: Broken packages
On Wed, Jun 28, 2006 at 02:11:51AM -0400, Bill Jones wrote: On 6/27/06, Chase James [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello. I'm trying to upgrade a debian woody box to sarge according to the release notes. When attempting to install aptitude, I get the following error: # apt-get install aptitude Wierdness... Try apt-get upgrade aptitude that will just upgrade the whole system (and, incidently, should throw away the 'aptitude' at the end). I think that's not the intended effect... aptitude provides apt-get -- so you can't install it as it's already there... No it doesn't. apt provides apt-get--aptitude is a frontend, doesn't provide any essential components to the basic functioning. Also, you can 'install' packages that are already there--it upgrades them, and any dependencies needed. aptitude can be safely removed from your system, if you desire--all that'll break is tasksel (which will be automagically removed anyway). -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- The only possible interpretation of any research whatever in the `social sciences' is: some do, some don't. -- Ernest Rutherford -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Two versions
On Sun, Jun 25, 2006 at 08:34:40PM -0700, Michael M. wrote: Christopher Nelson wrote: something to the effect of Are all your other operating systems listed below? // Debian Sarge (on hda2). If you see that, it should be safe to overwrite your MBR. Will it really identify the other installation as Debian Sarge? When I installed Etch, the Grub menu list entry it created for itself makes no mention of Etch -- just Debian GNU/Linux and the specific kernel appear in the title. Of course you can easily change that. I'm just not sure if the installer will identify the specific Debian distribution by name all by itself. I wasn't sure, which is why I used the words to the effect of--it would have taken a long time for me to download a CD, then do two installs to an emulator. -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- There's no real need to do housework -- after four years it doesn't get any worse. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 3D Acceleration
On Fri, Jun 23, 2006 at 06:10:07PM +0200, LeVA wrote: 2006. június 23. 17:53, Leonid Grinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] snip Running lspci produced: :00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation 82810E DC-133 GMCH [Graphics Memory Controller Hub] (rev 03) :00:01.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82810E DC-133 CGC [Chipset Graphics Controller] (rev 03) snip other lspci output I am wondering how to configure the video card for 3D acceleration, and, in general, faster rendering. I know very little about video cards (as is probably seen by this email). Can anybody help me? I think you should need to load the i810fb kernel module, which (according to the kernel documentation) has support for Full and optimized hardware acceleration at 8, 16 and 24 bpp for i810 chipset based graphic controllers. Then you need to use xorg's i810 driver. With xorg7 this is in the 'xserver-xorg-video-i810' package. After installing the 'xserver-xorg-video-i810' (on testing/unstable) or not (on stable), you'll need to change your config file. The easiest (probably) way to do this on Debian is a 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' (on testing/unstable) or 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86' (on stable) and choose the defaults for most things, except the graphics drivers, where you would choose it manually and scroll to where it says 'i810'. I'm saying these with absolutely no experience with that graphic controller, or it's set up. Maybe some other steps are recommended... But it is a good start I think :) I've also never used that card, so I don't know if acceleration will be set up for it. -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- The English have no respect for their language, and will not teach their children to speak it. -- G. B. Shaw -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian package of the day
On Fri, Jun 23, 2006 at 10:22:49PM -0400, Roberto Sanchez wrote: Aaron Maxwell wrote: I read a post once in which someone bemoaned the passing of dselect, because it highlighted newly-minted packages. With apt*, he rarely knew of that new software, unless he just stumbled across it. I thought that was a pretty good point. Good point. However, aptitude always shows you new packages. IIRC, when dselect went away, aptitude was the recommended official replacement. [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ dselect Debian `dselect' package handling frontend version 1.13.22 (i386). . . . [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ zless /usr/share/doc/dselect/changelog.Debian.gz dpkg (1.13.22) unstable; urgency=low . . . -- Guillem Jover [email snipped] Wed, 21 Jun 2006 18:03:29 +0300 Has my unstable box entered some parallel history? It seems over here that dselect is alive and well... -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Generated by Signify v1.14. For this and more, visit http://www.debian.org/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Two versions
On Sun, Jun 25, 2006 at 10:34:58AM +0200, Thibaut Paumard wrote: Le dimanche 25 juin 2006 à 00:41 -0700, Jim Smith a écrit : Probably a dumb question. I just installed a new HD on this system and wish to try the testing distribution. I will install it in a partition of the new disk (hdb1) while keaving my old srage distro on the older disk (hda2). My question then is Will Grub see the new disrtribution and add it or will it just overwrite my old boot sector and leave me unable to get back into sarge? The nice thing with grub is it has a nice command line that will let you boot anything even if it's not in the configuration file. Yes, but the great thing about the Debian Installer is that you won't have to ;) Unless you've done some interesting things to your install, the installer will recognise your sarge install--there should be a screen that says something to the effect of Are all your other operating systems listed below? // Debian Sarge (on hda2). If you see that, it should be safe to overwrite your MBR. -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Generated by Signify v1.14. For this and more, visit http://www.debian.org/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: apt-get update doesn't work?
On Thu, Jun 22, 2006 at 04:33:04PM -0700, RevSlowmo wrote: Miles Bader wrote: When I do sudo apt-get update, I get the following errors: $ LANG=C sudo apt-get update Get:1 http://ftp.us.debian.org unstable Release.gpg [189B] Hit http://ftp.us.debian.org unstable Release Get:2 http://ftp.us.debian.org unstable/main Packages [3166kB] Hit http://ftp.us.debian.org unstable/contrib Packages/DiffIndex Get:3 http://ftp.us.debian.org unstable/non-free Packages [65.7kB] Fetched 3B in 5s (1B/s) Failed to fetch http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/unstable/main/binary-i386/Packages.bz2 MD5Sum mismatch Failed to fetch http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/unstable/non-free/binary-i386/Packages.bz2 MD5Sum mismatch Reading package lists... Done W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.us.debian.org unstable/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_debian_dists_unstable_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.us.debian.org unstable/non-free Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_debian_dists_unstable_non-free_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead. My /etc/apt/sources.list file is: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free How long did the problem start? I just did an update using the same mirror with no problems. I might be wrong but I think non-free is not needed anymore, also try a different mirror. Or just wait I bet the error will go away. I believe you're confusing non-free with non-us -- there are definately packages in non-free in unstable. -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Debian is like Suse with yast turned off, just better. :) -- Goswin Brederlow -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Gnome xml parsing error only allows one login
On Mon, Jun 12, 2006 at 11:18:23PM -0400, Allen Williams wrote: When I select Gnome as my desktop environment, I get an XML parsing error dialog, with no close button but a window decoration that lets me close it. When I close it, the system just hangs, and I have to CTL-ALT F1 to get a console window and kill the X process. The error is: XML parsing error: xml processing instruction not at start of external entity. Location: chrome://mozapps/content/profile/ProfileSelection.xul Line number 1, column 1: (Isn't THAT a user-friendly message?) This looks like a mozilla or firefox error message. Do other users get the same message? (if there are none, create one and check). If it's just you, move your gnome config files out of the way (I think it's .gnome2 and .gconf directories, but it's been awhile since I've used gnome) and try again. Then move stuff back bit by bit to see what's failing. When I use a KDE session, there is an intermittent error. Everything seems OK until I logout, then sometimes I get a splash screen, like what's supposed to be the background, but no login dialogue. What happens when you recycle ?dm? (Cntl-Alt-Backspace or '/etc/init.d/?dm restart) Any error messages in the logfiles? -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Ambiguity: Telling the truth when you don't mean to. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: APT Issues Still Updating ETCH After Changing Sources.List To Unstable
On Sat, Jun 10, 2006 at 05:48:54PM +0200, Florian Kulzer wrote: On Sat, Jun 10, 2006 at 07:01:47 -0700, Leonard Chatagnier wrote: snip Also simulated an apt-get upgrade and dist-upgrade also with aptitude and couldn't see anything about GPG or DiffIndex. Aptitude wants to remove as unused some 687 packages that are critical to me such as all of kde, java, all of apt, all of mozilla, etc, etc. Although Debian recommends aptitude as handling dependencies better than apt-get, I find it problematic and that it creates more issues than it solves unless there is some underlying secret in using it that I'm not aware of. snip 3. Use aptitude interactively to check the Obsolete and Locally Created Packages section. Most packages in there should probably be removed for the upgrade, including the Etch versions of the multimedia packages. 4. aptitude dist-upgrade (This should now work without removing all those important packages.) I think the OP problem wasn't conflicts arising from testing versions of packages, but likely that aptitude wasn't used to set up the base system, but rather apt-get or a different package tool, and therefore (as on my system) aptitude thinks that all packages not required/standard were installed by some other package which no longer in installed and therefore they should be removed. While it would be possible to mark all the metapackage etc. as manually installed, that is a lot more work than using apt-get/already learned tool--may or may not be worth it, but it is more work. -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- QOTD: The baby was so ugly they had to hang a pork chop around its neck to get the dog to play with it. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: problem with etch2 netinstaller on laptop
On Sat, Jun 10, 2006 at 05:21:32PM +0200, Roberto Bernetti wrote: At the moment I had the following two open problem: 1: video card intel 945GM doesn't work at its best, the system choose the vesa driver, on the intel site it is not very clear how to install their software to use with debian I don't know anything about this card myself, but I recall seeing it mentioned here a bit ago--might try searching the archives? 2: intel wireless PRO/wireless doesn't work same problem at the intel site I think there's multiple chipsets all masquerading as intel wireless PRO -- what is the output of 'lspci |grep Ethernet'? -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Postage will be paid by addressee. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: local (parallel) printer does not show up when configuring cups
On Sat, Jun 10, 2006 at 09:09:13PM -0400, Eike Lantzsch wrote: snip Anyway I still don't get a printout. CUPS-setup via http://localhost:631 still does not show lp. But with KDE I can configure the printer, CUPS then sees it. But when I submit a printjob I get the error: Printer not connected. When you set up the printer under KDE, did you use a '/dev/*' URI? Those don't work for some arcane reason with the new CUPS system. With the printer plugged in and turned on, do you get a weird-looking 'hp:something' URI? I think that's what you have to use. -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Generated by Signify v1.14. For this and more, visit http://www.debian.org/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Xorg Freezes, only root..
On Fri, Jun 09, 2006 at 12:29:52AM -0500, Cederik León De León Acuña wrote: Hi all: After an dist-upgrade, only root can use the xwindows system, in XFREE 4 i had no problem, but since yesterday the XFREE - Xorg upgrade turns my Laptop, almost unusable under X ... I figured out that the problem coms from NVidia driver or so, but i tryed with and without nvidia driver, last night without good news.. How did you determine it's the Nvidia driver? IE, what error makes you think this? Ok... After a lot of little xorg.conf changes tests and kernel reconf. the problem it's the same, with or withoht nvidia kernel module nor driver. If a common user [me] try : $ startx Since you've said 'common user' I assume you've tried with a freshly set-up user? IE, one with no .xsession or .xinitrc All it´s fantastic, until the end of the Xwindows startup process, then BLANK SCREEN and the entire computer is dead, freezes, no key works... Do you have ssh or telnet servers enabled on the machine? If so, when it 'freezes' can you log into it remotely and assess the situation? Well that's not the end of my sad history, if i try the same, not as user but root, the xwindows works fine; indeed i'm working as root at this moment. I'm not going to lecture on the dangers of X as root--I'm sure you'll get that from others. I have the following configuration. Laptop: Dell Inspiron 5150 Mem:775072 Mobile Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.06GHz VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV34M [GeForce FX Go5200] Linux julisa 2.6.15julisa #7 PREEMPT Thu Jun 8 23:13:53 CDT 2006 i686 GNU/Linux My Debian Repository (apt): http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian testing main contrib non-free Just as a note--until etch is released, I'd consider adding a line: deb http://secure-testing.debian.net/debian-secure-testing \ etch/security-updates main contrib non-free So, every day or so i made the: apt-get update apt-get dist-upgrade good to stay up-to-date and to help test new packages (the two reasons I can think to use testing/unstable) --PARTIAL LOG-- _XSERVTransSocketOpenCOTSServer: Unable to open socket for inet6 _XSERVTransOpen: transport open failed for inet6/julisa:0 _XSERVTransMakeAllCOTSServerListeners: failed to open listener for inet6 X Window System Version 7.0.0 Release Date: 21 December 2005 X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0, Release 7.0 Build Operating System:Linux 2.6.12-1-686 i686 Current Operating System: Linux julisa 2.6.15julisa #7 PREEMPT Thu Jun 8 23:13:5 3 CDT 2006 i686 Build Date: 16 March 2006 Before reporting problems, check http://wiki.x.org to make sure that you have the latest version. Module Loader present Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting, (++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational, (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown. (==) Log file: /var/log/Xorg.0.log, Time: Thu Jun 8 23:45:13 2006 (==) Using config file: /etc/X11/xorg.conf (==) ServerLayout Default Layout (**) |--Screen Default Screen (0) (**) | |--Monitor Monitor genérico (**) | |--Device Tarjeta de vídeo genérica --- Is that all that's in te X logs? What does ~/.xsession-errors contain? Have you tried moving your .xsession and .xinitrc out of the way and trying with fresh (IE blank) files? What about /var/log/X.org.log -- any lines in there with either a WW or an EE (grep would be helpful)? -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- You need no longer worry about the future. This time tomorrow you'll be dead. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: problem with etch2 netinstaller on laptop
On Fri, Jun 09, 2006 at 02:16:46PM +0200, Roberto Bernetti wrote: Hi I'm trying to install Debian on a fujitsu-siemens Si1520 with the following characteristics: snip specs I experienced the following problems: the sarge netinstaller is not able to detect the Hard Drive so I tried to use the etch2 installer with the following problem: it doesn't complete the step of the software installation complaining that the upgrading processes doesn't install the package xserver-xorg if you need that you have to verify that the package is installed, this in the case I choose in tasksel not to install the desktop packages too. So what exactly happens? Does it hard-freeze? Is there an 'ok' box on the screen? What can and/or can't you do from there? It sounds like a warning, not a critical error. -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Failure is more frequently from want of energy than want of capital. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: problem with etch2 netinstaller on laptop
On Fri, Jun 09, 2006 at 11:27:23PM +0400, Maxim Mezhekov wrote: Trying to install Ubuntu 6.06 or Fedora Core 5 it's were best desktop linux. We're not trying to establish what's the 'best' desktop linux distro here. We're debian users supporting the needs of other debian users. If you don't like debian as a desktop distro, don't use it--but don't try and tell others that it's not suitable. -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Somewhere on this globe, every ten seconds, there is a woman giving birth to a child. She must be found and stopped. -- Sam Levenson -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg fails
On Fri, Jun 09, 2006 at 04:41:17PM -0400, Michael Marsh wrote: snip re: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg I also had to reboot for the server to actually be able to start, but I have no idea why. The reboot might have cleared some temp file that was confusing it. This may sound silly, but did you try a '/etc/init.d/foodm stop /etc/init.d/foodm start' or just a '/etc/init.d/foodm restart'? I've found that the restart doesn't always work, but stopping, waiting for all the processes to die (or forcibly killing them), then starting has nearly always worked. -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Ideas don't stay in some minds very long because they don't like solitary confinement. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Audio CD problems..
On Fri, Jun 09, 2006 at 07:55:01PM +0100, Digby Tarvin wrote: snip about DAE That seems to explain my playout problems. The remaining issue, which seems to be unrelated, is my inability to rip... have you tried using 'abcde'? it seems more fault-tolerant than KAudioCreator was on my system. it also may give you more info on the problem? (haven't had a problem ripping w/ it, so I don't know it's error output) -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- The Beatles: Paul McCartney's old back-up band. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Save to set folder with mutt
On Fri, Jun 09, 2006 at 02:01:29PM -0600, Joseph Smidt wrote: I receive mail form debian-user and have always sent it to my debian-user folder using C then deleting it from my inbox. Is there an easier way to have all emails from debian-user sent to my debian-user folder automatically after I read it? If you are insistent on doing it via .muttrc then 'zless /usr/share/doc/mutt/manual.txt.gz' will give you an idea of what the various hooks do. Just off the cuff, I'd set up two mbox's -- one for new and one for read -- and do a folder-hook . 'set mbox=+mbox' folder-hook debian-user 'set mbox=+debian-user-old' folder-hook . 'set move=whatever you like' folder-hook debian-user 'set move=yes' all in your .muttrc complicated isn't it? this of course assumes you have something like procmail in place... -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Two heads are more numerous than one. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: alsaconf changes permanent?
On Wed, Jun 07, 2006 at 10:04:02PM -0300, Israel Guerra wrote: Hail all! How do i make alsaconf changes become permanent? I'm not certain, but I've noticed in my boot up/shutdown the program 'alsactl' is called to either load/save the settings. This is found in the package 'alsa-utils'. Perhaps this is what you need? -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Bizoos, n.: The millions of tiny individual bumps that make up a basketball. -- Rich Hall, Sniglets -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]
On Sat, Jun 03, 2006 at 09:34:16AM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: Paul Johnson wrote: The US is a federation of 50 individual states that really don't owe each other much of anything. California forgets this most often. Doesn't matter. Because at the end the states contain people and according to your sick and twisted logic *you* owe the individuals. But of course, you forget that when it's most convenient for you. Politics is one thing--but now you're attacking economics? Now that's low ;) -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Everything is worth precisely as much as a belch, the difference being that a belch is more satisfying.-- Ingmar Bergman -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Is it OK to remove alsa-base after Kernel 2.6.8?
On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 08:15:15PM -0700, Dominique Brazziel wrote: I'm trying to get rid of modprobe error messages (FATAL: Error trying to install sound_slot_1) and think it has to do with the file /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base. I configured a custom-built 2.6.8 kernel to have modular alsa support and have it working correctly with the one sound card I have installed. I don't know if sound works without it, but I do know that I don't have problems with it installed on 2.6.17-rc3 -- do you have the support for your actual card either as a module or built-in? what does 'modprobe -v snd-whatever' give you? -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Generated by Signify v1.14. For this and more, visit http://www.debian.org/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debina Installation ISO DVD Image Files
On Wed, May 31, 2006 at 11:37:48AM +0300, Robert J. A. Fernandes. wrote: Dear Sir, I have downloaded DVD ISO Images files from this below location: - http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r2/i386/iso-dvd/ in this section the file size its shows 4.4G for debian-31r2-i386-binary-1, but when I am downloading it give me 372MB and for the another file debian-31r2-i386-binary-2 it shows 4.1G but when I downloads it gives me 127MB. So is this file ok or has to be correct 4 GB? I have doubt just because of this sizes. You are correct in your doubts--it seems that the files did not download completely. Are you using a FAT partition (DOS or earlier Windows)? I don't think they can handle files that size. Or maybe it's the program you used to download the images. At any rate--these .iso's are broken and won't work right (at all, likely). And is it according to above MB's then even I can burn on normal 700MB CD's right? So what's the meaning of DVD ISO Files? I didn't get? You are also correct in that. To use a DVD image, you need blank DVD and a DVD burner (I don't think + or - matters). If you just have regular CD's try the CD images. If you have a fast net connection, I would grab the one labelled 'netinst' and do a network install. Or the 'businesscard' one if you have a spiffy mini-CD ;) -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- It's NO USE ... I've gone to CLUB MED!! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: question
On Wed, May 31, 2006 at 10:11:56PM +0200, Matus C wrote:
Hi,
/ when I am starting my pc I have always options between booting up
windows and kernel 2.6.7... , so I am sure it is kernel /
That's just the kernel used in the system. The OS is still called
'Debian'
Could you type exactly what you see on the screen ?
Is it a white on black:
So, the screen is black and white.It looks like a MS-DOS
Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 hostname tty 1
Yes, I checked it, there is exactly written Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 coma tty 1
Standard console login screen. nothing to worry about.
/ coma is root /
I'm not sure what you mean by this? 'coma' is the name of your box.
There is also written coma login :
I typed there matus / what is actaully ordinary user / and it asked me
for a password. After checkig password it waits, the coursor blinks.
Logged in. Good.
I typed there dpkg --help and I found that statement dselect.
My personal favorite tool. I'm sure others will tell you differently ;)
Then it showed me summary: firstly it was a group of packages I have
already installed and then it was a group of packages i havent installed
yet.
That's normal -- don't try to install all the packages though, many
conflict with each other.
Then i tried to install packages , but it didnt work because it was needed
that I was a root / I dont know hot to login as a root /.
after 'login: ' you type 'root' and after 'password: ' you type whatever
password you've assigned root. You did that in the beginning, when you
installed. If you don't remember what you set, there are ways to reset
it using your debian install CD w/out re-installing.
Is this right
way to complete installation of debian ?
It's how I did it. After you get the packages you want, I would suggest
installing 'sudo' and reading the docs in /usr/share/doc/sudo/ (eg.
'less /usr/share/doc/sudo/README.Debian'
Or is it a more graphical login screen ?
Would you want to have a grafical screen ?
I want to have more graphical screen... I was surfing on intenet and I
saw that it should look like windows...I mean... it should have nice
wallpaper on the background and control panel etc.is it possible on
Debian ?
Yes. Once you log in as root and enter 'dselect' -- find and install
'x-window-system' and an WM ('gnome' or 'kde' are popular).
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Re: Change screen resolution
On Wed, May 31, 2006 at 05:30:30PM -0700, lmyho wrote: I just installed debian on an older computer yesterday, but the screen resolution is so poorly set, which is actually different from the resolution I have set during the initial system configuration (much lower). It looks really terrible and so uncomfortable!:(( The screen can be set to much higher resolution (it was in a high resolution before install debian). But I can't find from where I can re-set the X windown resolution! I have both gnome and kde installed, but no where I can find place to change the resoluion! Please anyone could tell me how can I change it? the current too low resolution just kills me.:(( sarge or etch/sid? at any rate what does the output of 'cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf |grep Modes' (sub XF86Config[-4] for sarge) say? Any of those lines have the resolution you want? If so, do they all? -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from. -- Andrew S. Tanenbaum -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Change screen resolution
On Wed, May 31, 2006 at 06:41:21PM -0700, lmyho wrote: --- Christopher Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, May 31, 2006 at 05:30:30PM -0700, lmyho wrote: I just installed debian on an older computer yesterday, but the screen resolution is so poorly set, which is actually different from the resolution I have set during the initial system configuration (much lower). It looks really terrible and so uncomfortable!:(( The screen can be set to much higher resolution (it was in a high resolution before install debian). But I can't find from where I can re-set the X windown resolution! I have both gnome and kde installed, but no where I can find place to change the resoluion! Please anyone could tell me how can I change it? the current too low resolution just kills me.:(( sarge or etch/sid? at any rate what does the output of 'cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf |grep Modes' (sub XF86Config[-4] for sarge) say? Any of those lines have the resolution you want? If so, do they all? -- Chris, The last reply was wrong, I got the result now, 6 lines of output, all are: Modes 800x600 640x480 800x600 is too low on the 19 screen!:( How to reset? What you want to do here is either the easy way: 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86' and accept the defaults, for everything except monitor, where you select the correct values (check your monitor book or the web for refresh rates) and select the appropriate resolutions; and video card, where you select your video card or 'vesa'--but not 'vga' or the hard way: edit the file, and add the resolution you want in front of the other resolutions (eg: 1280x1024 800x600 640x480) and made sure that the driver for the video card is _not_ set tovga -- if it is, change it to vesa -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- The idea of male and female are universal constants. -- Kirk, Metamorphosis, stardate 3219.8 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Network re-configuration!
On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 12:30:11PM -0400, Jila Zakizadeh wrote: Hi, I am using Debian linux and I am moving my computer to another city. I want to keep the previous connection that I had with other machines. How would I reconfigure my network to do so? That would depend on the exact details. Like, how were the machines connected? Is just yours moving, or are they all? With the info I have, all I can suggest is looking at VPN. -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- TAILFINS!! ... click ... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: simple web blog software in sid
On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 01:18:51PM -0700, Richard Blumel wrote: Is their something like wordpress in sid or do I have to move up in the world Sid has wordpress. I'd look at blosxom -- it's simpler to use, just write text files. There's also tdiary, which I've never looked at. -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- It is the quality rather than the quantity that matters. -- Lucius Annaeus Seneca (4 B.C. - A.D. 65) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: debian-user-digest Digest V2006 #1233
On Sun, May 28, 2006 at 08:24:07PM -0700, Alan Ianson wrote: On Sun May 28 2006 04:37 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: godammit unsubscibe me to this bombardement of emails or send me CORRECT info on how to do it, last time I tried i got 50 email back saying failed and you already passed my threshold of annoyance hehe, thanks for the laugh.. :) But on most list emails it has unsubscribe info at the bottom of the post, but try this if you can't get unsubscribed. http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/unsubscribe I think this is one case where the policy may have backfired. He's responding to a debian-user-digest message, suggesting that he's subbed to debian-user-digest and so same-REQUEST would be the appropriate place, whereas he's probably been following that line in the emails, which would net him an error message probably. Your method, of course, works regardless of what it may say in the footer ;) -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Generated by Signify v1.14. For this and more, visit http://www.debian.org/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: I think I'm supposed to say something about this package bug...
On Sun, May 28, 2006 at 10:24:20PM -0700, Xeno Campanoli wrote: [on reporting packaging bugs] [snip portions of 'apt-get jamvm'] The following packages have unmet dependencies: jamvm: Depends: classpath (= 2:0.13) but it is not going to be installed Depends: classpath-common (= 2:0.14) but it is not going to be installed E: Broken packages [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# What happens when you try 'apt-get install classpath' and 'apt-get install classpath-common'? Keep going until you get one that says 'not installable' instead of 'is not going to be installed', then try that one and see if it depends on something not available, etc. The info will be in the apt-get output. Then check the bug reports, and if you still think there's a (new) bug, file it with the 'reportbug' tool--against the offending package, not 'jamvm'. -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Anyone stupid enough to be caught by the police is probably guilty. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: kde unwillingly starting
On Mon, May 29, 2006 at 03:25:17PM +0200, Francesco Pietra wrote: [snip info from kde stuff] I don't know if this has been suggested on the debian-kde list, but have you done an 'update-alternatives --config x-window-manager' and set it to something other than kde? -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- In love, she who gives her portrait promises the original. -- Bruton -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Which is the most stable of Debian releases?
On Mon, May 29, 2006 at 11:16:34AM +0200, Tshepang Lekhonkhobe wrote: On 5/24/06, Roberto C. Sanchez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tshepang Lekhonkhobe wrote: By the way is there a distro out there considered as stable as Debian's Stable. This is not a question of which is a better distro (too many variables involved there), but just a question of, which distro breaks less? Again, that is not really a fair or accurate question. I would assert that distros specifically targeted at certain segments of the market would do better in that respect. If you have a distro that is targeted at firewall applications, it won't be affected by things like the problems that occur with X, Gnome, and KDE. OTOH, anything target at the desktop/workstation market would include a great many more packages and probably have more security issues. Even those statements are very broad and I'm sure you could find exceptions. I should have specified that I meant general purpose OSes... What do you mean by 'general purpose OS'? Do you mean a desktop distro that can also do firewalling and has an MTA, etc? Do you mean a firewall/router distro that can also do X? Do you a file/mail server that can act as a desktop/router/firewall? Each OS I'm aware of has certain things they prioritize. Look at what's in Debian Important, Standard, Optional, and Extra. Debian devels invest a lot of time into each field, and Debian can be made to do (almost) anything--but the distinctions aren't there for no reason. Look at what Ubuntu installs by default: GNOME, OO.o, the GIMP, no MTA, no console-mode mail apps--it's also clear what their priorities are. -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- QOTD: What do you mean, you had the dog fixed? Just what made you think he was broken! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: probleempje..?!
On Mon, May 29, 2006 at 03:42:21PM +0200, Philippe De Ryck wrote: On Mon, 2006-05-29 at 15:14 +0200, -=greya=- wrote: hi, ik heb onlangs de Debian 64bit netwerk-installatie cd gedownload, deze herkent mijn SATA-DVD brander niet,maar ik raak ook niet verder dan de herkennings module van de cd ..? terwijl dit ee netwerk installatie cd zou zijn..?, t'is net of of de software in een loop wordt gedrukt,ik kom telkens bij het zelfde puntje uit, DE HERKENNINGS MODULE VAN DE CD GROETJES This is an english list, so try that :) I'll translate your post for now: I have recently downloaded the Debian 64bit network installation disc, which does not recognize my SATA-DVD burner, but I can't get past the cd recognition module ...? While this should be an network installation ...? It's like the software gets into a loop, I end up at the same point over and over the cd recogintion module Greets Now, a possible answer: Even if you have a network installation, the system can't install itself from nothing. Therefore, it will load the installation routine from the CD (kernel, app), which allows you to prepare your harddrive and install the base system. This base system will handle the rest of the installation. I don't know about your hardware, but SATA-DVD burner sounds quite new. I honestly don't know how good that is supported. which version did you download? Another possibility if you can't get your DVD burner recognized is to try a netinstall from boot floppies, if you network card is supported on the net-drivers disk. Then you can look into getting/compiling a kernel with support for your drive in it after the system is up and running and network-connected. -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Reality is just a crutch for people who can't handle science fiction. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Debian user Digest]does it exist?
On Mon, May 29, 2006 at 06:01:12PM +0200, JB MORLA wrote: Hi, I just read a thread mentioning this digest, so I wonder if it really exists, or if it's a joke. Could someone a href me to this digest in case it's for real? lists.debian.org - subscription web form - debian-user-digest (in debian-user stanza); your email address - subscribe. I don't think there's an archive for the digest (would that be useful?). Or, easier, if you know you want it would be: 'mail -s subscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] \ /dev/null /dev/null' -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- All God's children are not beautiful. Most of God's children are, in fact, barely presentable.-- Fran Lebowitz -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Re: How to find right video card driver
On Mon, May 29, 2006 at 07:17:34PM +0200, jbmorla wrote: I had trouble configuring my Xcongif file, because I purchased an off the shelves Acer PC. Obviously the video card was OEM and no search could detect no driver on the WWW. You should have been able to find _some_ info on the chipset reported by 'lspci' -- do you still have computer? What does it say the 'Display controller' is? So I just edited the config file with VI and enter « vesa » as generic graphic card, Good choice when you don't know the hardware on which the install is occuring (or it's not supported) And I never had any trouble with KDE or GNOME. Shouldn't--just wouldn't have 'optimal' performance If you have trouble detecting your hard drive, look for the Bonzaï Debian distribution. The 'etch' installer should detect most harddrives these days, especially 'standard' ones--most IDE and SCSI (I have no experience installing to SATA, might have trouble mixing SATA and SCSI). There are unofficial 'sarge' installers w/ more recent kernels that should recognize most harddrives, too. For NIC, pick an old 3COM 905 B TX ( for $10 ) I've also had good luck with the realtek 8139 series 10/100 cards. For mouse, there still are non usb PS2 plug in the shops, same for the keyboard. I have USB both, and the biggest difference is that is case the USB system goes down, you have no recource to fix it. I'd go with a PS2 keyboard, either on the mouse. Finally the best mirror I could find for ftp debian is the dot.de one, to be entered manually in sources.list That depends very largely on your locations. A german mirror would do me, for example, much less good than a USA mirror. Make sure you backup at least these two files, xf86config and sources.list, personnally I wrote Them by hand, because sometimes you launch startx, I'd personally back up the entire /etc directory, a lot of config gets changed in the initial setup, if I was going to do a selective backup. then you open a character console, Then you enter some apt-get command, which smartly turns off then on EVERY daemon, Not on my box..it turns off daemons right before updating them, then turns them back on--and only the daemons it is immediately affecting. My ssh daemon doesn't get restarted when I upgrade sendmail, for example. Did you somewhere configure it to kill everything but the dpkg and bash processes? And when it comes to killing KDE or Gnome, you find yourself blastered to outer space, Because obviously you were inside the ship. I'm absolutely certain I've upgraded X and my WM while logged into X, with no ill effects. The only thing that dies on me when I upgrade is firefox--hardly a catastrophe. Maybe you could provide us with some output next time your WM is upgraded to figure out why it's blowing away your session? -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- I'm not a level-headed person...-- Bruce Perens -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Help really needed: Formatted / partition by accident.
On Mon, May 29, 2006 at 04:22:29PM -0400, nick lidakis wrote: Kilian wrote: [snip details of recovering system] That should be it. You'll lose your old root-partition (which you already did, I think, by installing monowall on /dev/sda1) and your old /usr partition. You should be able to keep /home. If there's anything important on /usr, you can of course save that as you can still access this partition with the rescue cd. Any help at all would be appreciated! HTH -- Kilian I think I lost everything. When I cfdisk /dev/sda in and ubuntu live cd there is only one partition labeled as FreeBSD (monowall is based on frebsd) filesystem. The rest of this disk is labeled as free space. don't despair just yet. It was mentioned earlier that parted can recover data on partitions (I've not used it, so don't ask me how) -- and if you have an Ubuntu CD you can issue 'apt-get install parted' and then do a 'man parted' and read docs in '/usr/share/doc/parted' to figure out how to use it. -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Neighbors!! We got neighbors! We ain't supposed to have any neighbors, and I just had to shoot one. -- Post Bros. Comics -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: utf problem with mutt
On Tue, May 23, 2006 at 01:26:13PM +0200, Florian Kulzer wrote: On Tue, May 23, 2006 at 10:40:11 +0200, Bruno Boettcher wrote: [...] BTW at each update my default editor is changed to that horrible nano instead of the normal vim, any way to stop this? I did not yet have time to figure out why every vim upgrade now redirects /etc/alternatives/editor to something other than vim, therefore I just put set editor=/usr/bin/vim in my ~/.muttrc file. That settles it at least as far as mutt is concerned. That works. The vim 7.0-017+4 changelog mentioned changes to the alternatives handling, saying it should only be removed on removes, not upgrades. -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- I'm continually AMAZED at th'breathtaking effects of WIND EROSION!! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: apt-get question
On Tue, May 23, 2006 at 09:16:42PM +0800, Eric Wong wrote: Hi, I am newbie to Debian, and have a question about apt-get. Conside the following steps: 1) apt-get install apache2 Now apache2 is installed and working fine 2) rm -rf /etc/apache2 I try to remove all configurations 3) dpkg -P apache2 And then I remove apache2 4) apt-get install apache2 I install apache2 again It succeeds and it doesn't shows any error, but I found that /etc/apache2 is not there, and apache2 is not working, seems that apt-get doesn't know something(/etc/apache2) is missing and it can't rebuild the directory. so my question is, how to recover from this kind of error? You know, sometimes we may remove some directory accidentally. I know that I can download the source code and compile it to make it working, but does Debian or apt-get provide any way to sovle this kind of error? Note that apache2 depends on apache2-mpm-something--I can't recall which provides the conffiles, so try this: apt-get -d --reinstall apache2 apache2-mpm-whatever dpkg -i --force-confmiss /var/cache/apt/archives/fullnames of above -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- QOTD: A university faculty is 500 egotists with a common parking problem. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: searching for dts_internal.h
On Tue, May 23, 2006 at 03:59:49PM +0200, LeVA wrote: Hi! Anyone knows which package contains the file in the subject? If you have it installed, try a dpkg -S dts_internal.h As an aside, it's not always conienent to find the subject when writing a reply, especially a long one.. -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Take your work seriously but never take yourself seriously; and do not take what happens either to yourself or your work seriously. -- Booth Tarkington -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Which is the most stable of Debian releases?
On Tue, May 23, 2006 at 04:18:28PM +0200, Tshepang Lekhonkhobe wrote: Hi, It's well-known that Debian releases are rock-solid. But I've been wondering if there's been a comparison between various releases as regards stability. It would be nice if there's some commentary from long-time Debian users (say those who experienced it pre-Woody), and another way is by judging by the number security fixes to a particular release. Any stats out there? I've used Debian, as a user and then my own box, since Woody, but I've always run unstable, so I don't know what had less fixes. I would just like to say that the number of fixes isn't an indication of stability--the releases have had sometimes drasticly different lifecycles and each release has significantly more users, and so more critical reports come in. By the way is there a distro out there considered as stable as Debian's Stable. This is not a question of which is a better distro (too many variables involved there), but just a question of, which distro breaks less? The other distro's I've tried either I couldn't use the package management easily, or they broke on install--so I'm not objective ;) -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Generated by Signify v1.14. For this and more, visit http://www.debian.org/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: More questions about T-bird (was Re: Problem with T-bird (was ...))
On Sat, May 20, 2006 at 08:19:05PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: Write the script once, add pithy little sayings to the data file as you find/hear them. Doesn't take much time... Which means what I said should tell you exactly how much importance I place on such a little thing. I mean, c'mon, most email clients in use on this list today hide the signature so most people aren't going to see them anyway. Did *you* notice when I changed my signature (the first time in almost 10 years)? Do you know what it was before? Could you recognize where either saying came from? A smart mail client shouldn't hide parts of the message unless you tell it to, it should show you everything it can, and tell you what it can't (with an option to set up an external handler). Last place I heard the recent one was in an Evanescence song, though I'm young so it probably well predates that. But now I've got to do this for *every* folder? Yech. Yeah, I wouldn't mind a way to do some settings en masse when it comes to folders (like turning on threading, new mail checks) but since it's generally once once per install it's a minor inconvenience at best. At least it does inherit a lot of settings from the account itself which puts it head and shoulders above mutt. At least when I change such a setting in mutt it assumes I want it global unless I specifically tell it otherwise, which I can do per folder(s) :) -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- If you can't understand it, it is intuitively obvious. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: switching from apt-get to aptitude
On Wed, May 17, 2006 at 02:59:26PM +0200, H. Wilmer wrote: Florian Kulzer wrote: You cannot break anything by using aptitude and apt-get together, but you will (partially) neutralize many of the advantages of aptitude. Just think of aptitude as a tool which integrates the functionality of apt-get, apt-cache, etc. into one utility with an optional ncurses-GUI and a broader repertoire for the resolution of dependency problems. Hm, I tried aptitude and found that you won't know what's going on anymore and that it tries to do things to packages you won't want it to do and that it's impossible to prevent that and very difficult, if not impossible, to make it install the packages you want. When using it after a fresh install, it appears to leave you with a totally broken system. In other words: Aptitude just utterly sucked, so I went back to dselect. With all the talk about aptitude and synaptic being the Ultimate way to go, I'm glad to see other people using apt-get from the command line and dselect for a front-end. I learned dselect and couldn't get myself to learn aptitude, so I guess I would say dselect's easier to use ;) -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Anybody want a binary telemetry frame editor written in Perl? -- Larry Wall in [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Blacklisting does not work...
On Wed, May 17, 2006 at 10:35:54AM +1000, Fawad Nazir wrote: Hi All, I am using Ubuntu 5.10, Linux v.2.6.16.5 and trying to use hostap_cs driver for my prism chipset card instead of orinoco_cs. I am trying to blacklist orinoco orinoco_cs drivers. I have tried three things: 1. I added these driver names in /etc/hotplug/blacklist 2. I also tried to do: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/etc/hotplug$ echo 'blacklist orinoco' | sudo tee -a /etc/modprobe.d/my_blacklist blacklist orinoco [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/etc/hotplug$ echo 'blacklist orinoco_cs' | sudo tee -a /etc/modprobe.d/my_blacklist blacklist orinoco_cs 3. I also tried $sudo modprobe -r orinoco_cs $sudo modprobe -r orinocu_cs But still when i plug my PCMCIA card, automatically orinoco_cs driver is loaded and is assigned to my card. [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/etc/hotplug$ ls -al /sys/class/net/eth0/device/driver lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 2006-05-17 10:26 /sys/class/net/eth0/device/driver - ../../../../../bus/pcmcia/drivers/orinoco_cs I dont know how is this card being loaded. Please let me know, how can i get rid of this driver. First off: Ubuntu is not debian--you'll probably get better help on a ubuntu list, which can be found somewhere off of 'http://www.ubuntu.com' One apparent difference is the use of hotplug--in standard debian testing/unstable installs, udev has absorbed and conflicts with hotplug so the best I can tell you is to try and install udev and set up udev rules for it--with the caveat that I have no idea in what horrible ways that may break a Ubuntu install!! -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- nonlinear .net is microsofts perverted version of a java networked environment uglified for windows-specific crap -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Problem with aspell checking text in greek
On Tue, May 16, 2006 at 11:42:27AM -0400, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: Eftaxiopoulos Dimitrios wrote: I have tried to spell check several Latex files written in greek. I use kile. It generally finds the mistakes but it highlights an irrelevant portion of text, usually portions from two words, close to the wrong word. It highlights at the same line, a few words before the wrong one. The replacements it suggests are generally correct, but I cannot use them since other portions of text will be replaced. So I do the corrections manually, by looking in the area of the highlight, trying to find the misspelled word and correct it by moving the cursor there. Not comfortable. The texts I spellcheck are written in ISO-8859-7 encoding. I use sarge, stable, 2.6.8. If I recall correctly, aspell has a tex/latex mode which will cause it to ignore the markup. Would that help your problem? At least in unstable, you don't have to do anything special to invoke that mode if you run it on a '.tex' file. I don't think that's the problem though, I think it's that it's finding the incorrect word but highlighting the wrong word on the line. I would suggest creating a test file with a known misspelling and seeing if aspell corrects the right portion of the text. Either way, I'd check for bug reports on the subject and potential work-arounds. http://packages.debian.org/stable/text/aspell is a good place to start. -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Generated by Signify v1.14. For this and more, visit http://www.debian.org/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: install-mbr on amd64?
On Wed, May 17, 2006 at 12:57:44AM +0200, Kilian wrote: Dear All, I'm trying to set up a software RAID with Debian on a system with an AMD x86_64 Athlon processor. To install the MBR, I need install-mbr if I'm correct, but this package does not exist in the amd64 port... I then tried to compile it myself, which fails, obviously, because the package has not been ported to x86_64 yet as it seems (and I lack the knowledge to do so...). I'm a bit stuck now.. what other tools can I use? I don't know about the amd64 machines specifically, but I think on most machines grub or lilo can/will ask to install themselves in the MBR. You can do it manually with 'grub-install hd0' (ISTR that working for both SATA and IDE, but don't take my word for it--I don't have an SATA drive to test it with) or some invocation of 'lilo' (don't remember the specifics of that one). Make sure to install grub or lilo to the MBR of both drives in case one fails (I assume that's why you're creating the RAID in the first place) and configure it to use root=/dev/md[whatever] as a kernel option. FWIW, I can't find a package 'install-mbr' for the x86 architecture either. -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Of all forms of caution, caution in love is the most fatal. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Access to USB camera requires root access
On Wed, May 17, 2006 at 08:27:01PM -0700, David E. Fox wrote: Hello. I am a newbie when it comes to using USB devices. Nevertheless, I opted for a Kodak easyshare C310. The camera is supported well enough by linux, using gphoto2. It seems to be a PTP device, not a mass storage device. Plugging in the cable, I get message that the device is detected, but nothing is displayed relative to storage (no /dev/sda1, etc.) so I guess I can infer PTP from that. /proc/bus/usb has entries in there, and it seems that /proc/bus/usb is mounted as a usbdevfs (I think that's right). gtkam / gphoto2 can access the device, but only if I use the tools as root. Otherwise, I get permission denied errors. I understand permissions generally, but how does one exactly change the permissions on files within /proc? That seems to make no sense. A 'directory' seems to be there, but only when gphoto2 or gtkam is in operation, and it's something like store_2 according to gtkam usbfs is indeed mounted. Do I need something in /etc/fstab, then? Unless the easyshare's have changed, all you should need to do is an 'adduser youraccount camera' and then refresh permissions (I usually log out then back in, but I think there's more elegant ways). Try if that works, if not come back. -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Odets, where is thy sting? -- George S. Kaufman -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [desktop][netinst]How can i choose a kde as a default?
On Wed, May 17, 2006 at 10:59:36PM -0500, Lukasz Szybalski wrote: Hello, 1. Is there a way i can install kde as a default windowing system from a netinst cd? I am using testing, and currently i would install default system(gnome) then uninstall gnome and install kde. This means i have to install gnome in order to install kde. 2. I would like to skip this process and from installation menu when selecting [desktop] I would like to choose a kde as a default windowing system. Who should i contact to make this change happen? Maybe the easiest way to do it is to not select 'desktop', log in at the console, fire up your favorite text-mode package manager, and install kde + addons you want. I doubt you can convince the d-i team one way or the other--it used to give you a choice, I'm sure there's a reason it doesn't now. -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Absence makes the heart grow fonder -- of somebody else. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Problem with T-bird (was Re: Mail Issues (pt 2 ))
On Sat, May 13, 2006 at 01:26:07PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: After reading how much you like T-bird, I installed it and tried it. However, it does not let me use sendmail as the outgoing email method. That's... unbelievable. Sure it can, it just uses the SMTP method of access. Want to know what is unbelievable? mutt not being able to use anything but the command line method. How 80s is that? You'd think the past 20+ years didn't exist. mutt's job is to do one thing and do it well--be a command-line MUA. It does an admirable job, and I use it except when inconsiderate friends send me HTML garbage in my email. It's so wonderful to have your mail take up no more space than an xterm. And to edit your mails in whatever your /usr/bin/editor happens to be today. Alright, let's grease up for a marginally on-topic flamewar! -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Disease can be cured; fate is incurable. -- Chinese proverb -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Pendrive corrupted filesystem
On Sat, May 13, 2006 at 11:49:49AM -0500, Owen Heisler wrote: On Sat, 2006-05-13 at 06:56 -0700, Tony Godshall wrote: [...] A side note/tip: It can be good to mount these types of drives with -o sync. I've pulled out my usb flash drive by mistake before it was really done because without option sync cp and mv would return as soon as the operation was queued. Unless you want significant better performance. I really like being able to work off of floppies and usb drives quickly with async set. You can mess around all you want, and then when you're done unmount and watch Linux throw it all on! You also minimize writes to the device with async--which can be an issue in the lifespan of some older/cheaper drives I've heard. -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Earn cash in your spare time -- blackmail your friends. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: gimp and printing
On Sat, May 13, 2006 at 06:12:24PM +0200, LeVA wrote: snip I can only select Default Printer (there is nothing else), and the command name (lp -s-oraw) is wrong too, I don't have the lpr printer spooler installed. Others are working on the GIMP problem, so I'll talk about the 'lp foo' issue. To use lp correctly, you have to install the 'cupsys-bsd' package, it installs the lpr compatability. Makes it much easier to print from things like xpdf -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Women give themselves to God when the Devil wants nothing more to do with them. -- Arnould -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ibm t40, refuses to boot on cd
On Sun, May 14, 2006 at 01:36:48AM +0200, Baron Christophe wrote: (I am not on this list, only on the french one, you would be kind answerring at my own adress also). I am trying to install Sarge or Etch on a t40 2373-7CG. I'd stick with sarge unless you're already comfortable with how debian works. Then try testing or unstable. I can't boot, neither on : ftp.se.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r2/i386/\ iso-cd/debian-31r2-i386-netinst.iso neither on : cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/etch_di_beta2/i386/iso-cd/\ debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso The boot options of the bios are properly setup : boot on the atapi cd... I do press accessIBM. Even if I press f12... It _ever_ start Win.. and nothing else. *** But, the Suse boot-cd works. This may be a silly question, especially since you've successfully created a Suse boot cd, but are you sure you're burning them as images and not as files? Do they boot in a different computer? -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Stay seated until bus comes to a complete stop. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: My visit to google has been censored
On Sat, May 13, 2006 at 05:59:41PM -0700, formless void wrote: Hi My Dear Debianist, Where I can find a debian package which prevents firefox browser to reload the pages that I visited? Are you talking about using a cached copy of the page? I would use 'squid' (package of same name) for that. Another strange thing happen to me is that I'm unable to directly visit google when I start my internet connection freshly and has to do detour which means I have to go to any other site first and then the google can be visited. What does firefox say when you first try to visit google? If I set my start-up page to google, it goes there as normal. I assume that google has the high technology to anti-censor its customers, which is very good. Is my point right? I know nothing about that, but it would be hard to set something like that up. -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Only fools are quoted. -- Anonymous -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: perldoc messed up curses
On Sat, May 13, 2006 at 09:31:20PM -0400, Leonid Grinberg wrote: Hi everyone, I am using Debian Testing on a IBM Thinkpad A21e. After installing the package perl-doc, I find that many curses applications seem to behave very strangely some times. For exmaple, emacs (I use emacs -nw which is text-based curses mode), nano, less, w3m, and countless others. I have removed perl-doc after I noticed this. I haven't seen anything weird having perl-doc installed. Did anything else change around the time you started noticing this? Now, whenever I enter a password in the terminal (generally after SSH), launching the program, causes strange things to happen, with input causing the program to print messages and scroll, and, in general, misbehave. This happens on all terminals which were created after the SSH (I use gnome-terminal, not the virtual terminal). The old ones work fine. What exactly do the messages say? And what do you mean do misbehave? It sounds like more a ssh or gnome-terminal issue. Have you tried at a virtual terminal? Do similar things happen there? -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Ma Bell is a mean mother! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian Menu in Gnome from testing / SID
On Fri, May 12, 2006 at 12:58:49PM +0200, Michael Ott wrote: Hi! I installed alacarte and realise that there is a menu point Debian. But i do not see this point in the menu. Where i can change it. The checkbox is set so normally i have to see it. Do you have the 'menu' and 'menu-xdg' package installed? menu creates the menu, and IIRC menu-xdg is required for it to work under Gnome (but I haven't used Gnome in a time, so I may be wrong). -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- La-dee-dee, la-dee-dah. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: dvd burning
On Wed, May 10, 2006 at 09:27:34PM +0200, Rodolfo Medina wrote: I'm moving my first steps with Debian. Welcome to the community. If you have questions, this list is a good place to find answers :) As a Mandrake 10.1 user, I used to burn dvds as well as cds with cdrecord; but now with Debian 3.1 it seems that I can't. Not with stock cdrecord as it's distributed by Debian. In `/usr/share/doc/cdrecord/README.DVD.Debian' it says: cdrecord does not support DVD recording. If you need it you have the following options: * cdrecord-ProDVD Never used this * dvd+rw-tools This is what I have installed, but I haven't used it. * dvdrtools This is what I used to use, and has similiar syntax to cdrecord, IIRC. 'dvdrecord dev=/dev/foo -[d,s,t]ao foo.iso' * Apply the dvdrecord-patch to cdrecord and compile it yourself: apt-get source cdrtools cd cdrtools-version fakeroot debian/rules dvd=yes cdrecord That shouldn't be too hard, but if a package works I'd use it instead. . What do you Debian users think is the best solution? If you want similiar syntax to cdrecord, dvdrtools has it--but it's non-free so make of that what you will. Since you're new to Debian, I don't know if you know how to enable 'non-free' (or 'contrib'), to do so edit '/etc/apt/sources.list' and append 'contrib non-free' (mind the hyphen) to your 'deb ' and 'deb-src ' lines. But I'd try dvd+rw-tools first, as free is better ;) -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- When anyone says `theoretically,' they really mean `not really.' -- David Parnas -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Font for PC graphics characters
On Mon, May 08, 2006 at 02:46:31PM -0400, T wrote: On Mon, 08 May 2006 13:31:27 -0400, Stephen R Laniel wrote: On Mon, May 08, 2006 at 01:27:59PM -0400, T wrote: which font is capable of showing the PC graphics characters (ie ascii art)? Well, if you want to display ASCII, then every font known to man, basically, will display it. So ASCII art isn't the trouble. It's probably characters that are outside of the ASCII range that are troubling you. Yes, exactly, those PC graphics characters/symbols. For that, you have to make sure that your locale is set properly, and that your terminal program is also using the right locale. If you need help in that direction, let us know. I'm using xterm, and I've set my LANG=C... I've read that -misc-fixed-medium-r-semicondensed--12-110-75-75-c-60-iso10646-1 have the symbols... But still I am unable to view those PC graphics characters/symbols. Can you point us to an example of these PC graphics characters? It might help us find out exactly what symbols they're using. Have you tried uxterm (maybe you mean accents and such?)? -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Generated by Signify v1.14. For this and more, visit http://www.debian.org/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ipw3945 and general WLAN questions
On Sat, May 06, 2006 at 08:59:25PM +0100, Anton Piatek wrote: snip Of course that is fine for one wireless lan, but I am not sure about the best way to get the wireless card to try several keys and find the one that works on the current hotspot (please let me know if you find a solution to that). I think that's where wpasupplicant could come in. You can specify multiple network blocks, and I _think_ it tries them in the order listed in the file. You would put your most-used network first, etc. Now, bear in mind that I haven't actually tried this, I just noted that the support should be there.. -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- My mother drinks to forget she drinks. -- Crazy Jimmy -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: kernel upgrade message
On Thu, May 04, 2006 at 03:47:28PM -0700, kruton wrote: Debian Unstable, running 2.6.16-1-486 on i386 platform. These days I get the following message from Debian Configuration when I 'apt-get upgrade'.. Any idea why its trying to install the same kernel image... snip standard debconf message It's updating the kernel image. Often due to security/usability fixes. It's not trying to do anything nasty, it's fairly standard, especially on unstable. You will, however, probably want to reboot soon as the linux-image-foo packages are built with a lot of things as modules, and you may not be able to load modules without rebooting. -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Scrubbing floors and emptying bedpans has as much dignity as the Presidency. -- Richard Nixon -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: kernel upgrade message
On Thu, May 04, 2006 at 09:36:44PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, May 04, 2006 at 06:32:42PM -0700, Christopher Nelson wrote: On Thu, May 04, 2006 at 03:47:28PM -0700, kruton wrote: Debian Unstable, running 2.6.16-1-486 on i386 platform. These days I get the following message from Debian Configuration when I 'apt-get upgrade'.. Any idea why its trying to install the same kernel image... snip standard debconf message It's updating the kernel image. Often due to security/usability fixes. It's not trying to do anything nasty, it's fairly standard, especially on unstable. You will, however, probably want to reboot soon as the linux-image-foo packages are built with a lot of things as modules, and you may not be able to load modules without rebooting. But if you use lilo, you had better make sure it gets rerun before you reboot, else the system will try to boot from where the old kernel was, and is no longer. I don't know what you have to do if you use grub. If you installed the system with grub it puts in post-install hooks to run update-grub. (at least the etch installers post-february 2006 do, I don't know about earlier) I'm not sure how to put those hooks in if you didn't install with grub. At any rate, I think all it does is rub 'update-grub', so if nothing happens automatically that should do it. Also, I think grub knows about filesystems and looks for the kernel that way, so if the name of the kernel hasn't changed even that may be unnecessary. -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Generated by Signify v1.14. For this and more, visit http://www.debian.org/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Install amd64 using usb / How to load an iso that is in the pendrive?
On Wed, May 03, 2006 at 04:04:30PM -0500, Nelson Castillo wrote: Hi. I followed these instructions to create a bootable usb memory that can load the Debian installer. http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/i386/ch04s04.html http://d-i.pascal.at/ All good and well. I booted the initrd and linux kernel I found here, but they don't have support for pppoe and I got stuck. http://debian.csail.mit.edu/debian-amd64/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/debian-installer/amd64/ I don't know how to configure pppoe, so I can't help you there I also added a business iso in the / of the VFAT filesystem, but the debian installer doesn't find it (or I don't know how to load it). Did you try with the initrd and kernel from the hd-media ? The second page (http://d-i.pascal.at/) suggests you choose those if you want to use an .iso on the USB stick. What should I read/try? I would try the hd-media files, then report back if they don't work for help w/ pppoe -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- It is better to wear out than to rust out. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian DVD autostart
On 2006-05-02, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: Daniel L. McGrew wrote: snip Is there a way to view this mail-list via a news reader??? You can view the list via a news reader, but you can only post via email. I believe the name of the newsgroup is linux.debian.user, but you will have to confirm that. I'm pretty sure you can post via news, at least on gmane.org, and am testing it with this very message. -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- If some people didn't tell you, you'd never know they'd been away on vacation. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: rerunning autodetect
On Tue, May 02, 2006 at 07:22:10AM -0500, Mark Tilford wrote: On 5/2/06, Florian Kulzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, May 02, 2006 at 05:45:28 -0500, Mark Tilford wrote: snip /sbin/ifconfig only lists loopback. lspci | grep Ethernet yields nothing. The card is a 3c509. Try to modprobe the 3c509 and/or the 3c59x kernel module. Maybe the device will be created then, or you get an error message which gives us a clue. modprobe 3c509 /sbin/ifconfig/eth0 up dhclient and I can connect out! Good! Now you'll probably want to add 3c509 as a seperate line in /etc/modules Thank you to all who helped! Now I just have do a long download of everything... Any other likely gotchas that may occur because I installed on a different computer? Nothing I can think of. -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Anything is good if it's made of chocolate. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: View Debian mailing lists in a news reader
On Tue, May 02, 2006 at 04:20:08PM -0500, Daniel L. McGrew wrote: Thanks, I appreciate the help, but that didn't work... it's not lists.debian.org or linux.debian.user... I'll keep trying... If you're doing gmane.org, it's gmane.linux.debian.user Once you attempt your first post, it will automatically mail you to make sure you're not a spam bot or similiar, and you reply to such message and your post goes through. It should only do that every so often, not every time you try and post. -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Nothing is but what is not. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: News Readers
On Tue, May 02, 2006 at 06:39:46PM -0500, Daniel L. McGrew wrote: Am I doing a better job of pruning??? That newsgroup address didn't work either... says that it can't find the server... What would I type into the address bar to get to it, the url??? So far I'm using 'Outlook Express'... and I've tried; gmane.linux.debian.user lists.debian.org linux.debian.user Sorry, I mis-understood the question. The server you want is news.gmane.org And yes, your .sig is much better. -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Besides, REAL computers have a rename() system call.:-) -- Larry Wall in [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: escape a string literal for use with regex?
On Wed, May 03, 2006 at 09:34:19AM +0930, David Purton wrote: snip I ended up using fgrep, which if I had read the grep manual I would have found does what I want (Blush). This works well: # subject kill file SUBJECT=`formail -zxSubject:` :0: * ? fgrep -qx $SUBJECT $HOME/.mutt.killfile caughtspam Just out of curiosity (I'm sure this is in the manual, but a cursory glimpse didn't find it), what command are you using from mutt to dump the subject to ~/.mutt.killfile ? -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- You have an ability to sense and know higher truth. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: problems in gnome/gdm after weekend etch upgrade
On Mon, May 01, 2006 at 02:09:34PM +0200, Kai Olsen wrote: I run etch on my laptop system, and I usually do a dist-upgrade each weekend to keep up to date. Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't a dist-upgrade some kind of overkill if you've already got etch installed? A normal update/upgrade seems to be adequate... A normal upgrade will often work, but testing is a moving target, with packages being added and renamed and dependencies being changed, so a dist-upgrade is sometimes necessary to get a full upgrade. Once etch becomes 'stable', a dist-upgrade should rarely be necessary. -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Debian Hint #1: You can report a bug in a package with the 'reportbug' command, which is available in the reportbug package. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: problems in gnome/gdm after weekend etch upgrade
On Mon, May 01, 2006 at 04:43:37PM +0300, Andrius A__trauskas wrote: snip It was a stupid but granted way to fix the problem. There should be a better way to clean Gnome keyboard configuration - if anyone knows please tell me. Would be of great help until Gnome (or Xorg) get fixed. I think, though I haven't used Gnome in awhile, that the settings live in either ~/.gnome2 or ~/.gconf directories. At least that's what I moved out of the way when I had/wanted to reset Gnome to defaults. Stuff that's set for every user might be in /etc/ or /usr/share/ somewhere, I never set up system-wide changes so I don't know. -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- If you're constantly being mistreated, you're cooperating with the treatment. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
