Re: Sid Systemd upgrade
20.07.2014, 14:23, Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk: On Sun 20 Jul 2014 at 11:00:15 +0300, David Baron wrote: How safe are these on new 64bit system (dist-upgraded to Sid)? In principle nothing that you do with unstable is safe. But you have chosen to test it. So go ahead and be prepared to analyse and report bugs or fix issues. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20072014131955.560fc2bce...@desktop.copernicus.demon.co.uk I have done so already and had no issues. Even on sid the maintainers try to make the upgrade as smooth as possible, hence why I use Debian in first place. Maybe have a look at the Debian Wiki about systemd and some issues, there are of course a few. -- David Dusanic -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/2504781405867...@web27h.yandex.ru
Re: Does LXDE really require lightdm?
22.06.2014, 02:31, Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com: Hi all, I installed LXDE on a no-X, no-desktop virgin network Wheezy 64bit install with non-free software allowed, and on the next boot it went into lightdm. The only thing I could find that installed and required lightdm was LXDE. I uninstalled LXDE, installed Xfce, installed whatever bestows startx, and bang, X from the CLI command line, no *dm needed. 1) Am I correct that Debian's LXDE package installs lightdm? 2) Does that come from the LXDE project, or is it a Debian thing? 3) Is there a way to turn off LXDE's install of lightdm? The whole reason I'm switching from Xubuntu to Debian is to get away from both Plymouth and *dm. Fortunately, I find LXDE desireable, but no way do I find it necessary. I am sure it is just a recommends, so install it without: *apt-get install --no-install-recommends package* Also, *lxde* is a metapackage. Meta packages usually come with a ton of recommended packages by Debian to facilitate installs for the user, you can even switch it off in apt for all packages you want to install. -- David Dusanic -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1595461403470...@web27m.yandex.ru
Re: Package system totaly a complete mess
08.06.2014, 15:10, Gour g...@atmarama.net: David Dušanić ivanovne...@gmail.com writes: I think you can also use aptitude on sid but I really prefer apt. So, you believe aptitude is no better than apt in resolve package deps (in Sid) ? It is my personal preference. I never understood aptitude good enough to use it so I never again touched it. That is just me. I find apt simpler to handle. -- David Dusanic -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1258531402302...@web14j.yandex.ru
Re: Which 'package' to choose for updating google chrome ?
08.06.2014, 15:40, Trudi trudispar...@hotmail.com: Hi I am using an ASUS Transformer Book. Not only are there no useful manuals but also no help from Asus either online OR by telephone, issues go unsolved. It's annoying since they are not cheap. My issue is that the android/tablet part of the Asus Transformer keeps saying google chrome needs updating. It has a link to the google page BUT you have to choose a package. the problem is there are 4 different packages to chose from AND absolutely no help (even when i call their technical hotline). Which to choose? The options are: Please select your download package: 32 bit .deb (For Debian/Ubuntu) 64 bit .deb (For Debian/Ubuntu) 32 bit .rpm (For Fedora/openSUSE) 64 bit .rpm (For Fedora/openSUSE) I'm assuming i need 64bit bt which one? Does it matter? First you decide for your architecture then for your system. As you are on the Debian list that would be of course a .deb file. .rpm is for Red Hat based distros. You could open a terminal with: uname -r and see what architecture you use (32 vs 64 bit) -- David Dusanic -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/4510181402302...@web23m.yandex.ru
Re: Sid Foibles
09.06.2014, 09:23, David Baron d_ba...@012.net.il: A lot of held packages: libxfont, libxfont-dev -- remove xfs. Is xfs gone/deprecated? In use at all? or .. don't do this! network-manger, ppp,etc -- remove sysvinit-core, install systemd, systemd- sysv. Do these supersede sysvinit-core or should packages be avoided? Network-manager means you will get into the systemd transition, that means it will give you systemd-sysv that replaces your init system. The whole samba business? I put *libldb1* on hold for now and did a dist-upgrade without removing essential packages. -- David Dusanic -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/6890681402318...@web22j.yandex.ru
Re: Package system totaly a complete mess
08.06.2014, 12:27, Gour g...@atmarama.net: I must say that I'm still quite noobie when it comes to package management on Debian mostly using apt-get/synaptic and I read/heard somewhere that for Sid those are recommended over aptitude? Do I miss something and/or what would be recommended procedure for apt-get/synaptic -- synaptic migration? I think you can also use aptitude on sid but I really prefer apt. I do not have synaptic nor aptitude installed on my system. It is personal preference and of course how good you are into both of them. I think running sid is just a matter of how good you can drive the Debian package manager, be it aptitude or apt. But I would never use something graphical (synaptic) to make my upgrades. -- David Dusanic -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/2139941402229...@web13m.yandex.ru
Re: unable to mount removable media with xfce4 version 4.10.1
06.06.2014, 10:56, François Patte francois.pa...@mi.parisdescartes.fr: Le 06/06/2014 10:29, David Dušanić a écrit : 05.06.2014, 15:28, François Patte francois.pa...@mi.parisdescartes.fr: Bonjour, Since last upgrade, I cannot mount (or umount) any removable media under xfce4: I can see the icon on the desktop, mouse over indicates that the media is not mounted and if I ask (mouse left click) to mount them the answer is: not authorized operation Yes, I have thunar correctly configured Strangely, I can mount CD and DVD using xfce mount plugin but this one does not show usb disks or sticks Any clue? (debian sid updated). Thanks I could think about a systemd issue. If you use policykit then it needs systemd now in sid. Are you still using sysv? Yes, I think so because I did not install systemd If you are right, what about a backward compatibility of installed systems? Developpers do not care? Problems are more important than I said first: 1- xfce4 systematically records my sessions when I logout and I don't want it does 2- lightdm no more allows to shutdown the system I have to do it as root from console... PS. These problems are stupid! I just wanted to show to some people that linux can now be used by people unable to use command line I missed! They will remain with windows... You are using sid, so it has nothing to do with the command line and new users. ;) You can disable session saving in Xfce from the xfce4-settings-manager or to be asked if you want to save the session (session management), three options, quite nice IMO. I am not a developer. Yep, some things got screwed because everybody is pushing systemd but I do not care, I use it already and everything works. Could be that Xfce still has to prepare for total systemd compatibility, therefore your problem with lightdm and shutdown. Maybe the BTS can help you find out what you could do right now: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=741698 -- David Dusanic -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/644781402135...@web14m.yandex.ru
Re: Package system totaly a complete mess
07.06.2014, 09:48, Thierry de Coulon tcou...@decoulon.ch: Hello all, I've lived for years using synaptic and I am no so used to aptitude - and I don't want to make mistakes... Possibly my installation is now in such a state that I should reinstall, but everything *is* working. Anyway: - searching for broken packages gives 0 packages in synatiptic but 6 packages in aptitude. - marking upgradable packages causes both to want to remove lots of things (including parts of cups, Gimp, and of cours all my DE). - If I try to update with aptitude it gives me a liste of packages that should be removed because they are no more used, which is nonsense because most of them ARE in current use. I am thinking all this comes from the fact that I installed Wheezy with Gnome, installed another DE, then removed *parts* of gnome, and the system is thinking because part of Gnome is missing, it should clean up and remove anything that needs it (the list of removal is long, but does include gftp and so). Whats more, the system seems not logical, as it wants to remove Gimp but complains that gimp-data (not to be removed) needs Gimp Any way to bring this mess in order? Thierry Sounds like many meta packages. That is why aptitude wants to remove a lot of your stuff. Now I have no easy answer to this. I only use apt, specifically because of what you describe, though they same can happen with apt if you do an autoremove. How about trying to update/upgrade your system with apt? -- David Dusanic -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1605021402136...@web2g.yandex.ru
Re: unable to mount removable media with xfce4 version 4.10.1
05.06.2014, 15:28, François Patte francois.pa...@mi.parisdescartes.fr: Bonjour, Since last upgrade, I cannot mount (or umount) any removable media under xfce4: I can see the icon on the desktop, mouse over indicates that the media is not mounted and if I ask (mouse left click) to mount them the answer is: not authorized operation Yes, I have thunar correctly configured Strangely, I can mount CD and DVD using xfce mount plugin but this one does not show usb disks or sticks Any clue? (debian sid updated). Thanks I could think about a systemd issue. If you use policykit then it needs systemd now in sid. Are you still using sysv? -- David Dusanic -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/481921402043...@web12m.yandex.ru
Re: MATE 1.8: issues with sound control
04.06.2014, 19:19, Matthias Fraidl matth...@fraidl.priv.at: On 04.06.2014 17:34, Ghislain Vaillant wrote: Any thoughts on a possible solution ? I had the same issues! Go and try volti[1], it worked fine for me. (apt-get install volti) What about adjusting the sound device from the volume applet options in Mate? I know Gnome uses Pulse Audio, maybe you have to define Alsa or Pulse in Mate. I use plain Alsa on my Mate system without issues. -- David Dusanic -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/5657251401957...@web29j.yandex.ru
Re: Sawfish and Openbox: was fastest linux distro
You mention making an .Xdefaults/.Xresources in my home directory. Can I safely assume the slash meant either/or, rather than directory/file? I already had a .Xdefaults, but it was a config file, not a directory. Yes, the slash meant either/or. Xdefaults is the older way of doing it, I still prefer it. Can I safely assume that if I change Xft:dpi 96 to Xft:dpi 48, my fonts are going to get noticibly bigger if this thing's working? That would be another test. This line is for your dpi settings. On a laptop that is often 96 like in my case. I would try your real dpi settings here, not anything else because that can screw with the monitor. To test your dpi settings from the command line: xdpyinfo | grep resolution That will give you the value you need. Why did you set Xft:hintstyle to hintlight instead of hintmassively or whatever the hintiest setting could be? I prefer it slight. Here you can test additionally with hintfull (very thin) and probably hintmedium. I think the Arch Wiki has a nice entry about it: https://wiki.archlinux.de/title/Xdefaults In any case you could also apply one thing more that was mentioned here to make fonts even better. Making a .fonts.conf file in your home folder. I think at this point I link you to my fonts how-to for Debian (Openbox). http://crunchbang.org/forums/viewtopic.php?pid=196047#p196047 Eventually I switched completely to Infinality and love it. http://www.infinality.net/blog/ -- David Dusanic -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1504971401704...@web5j.yandex.ru
Re: Sawfish and Openbox: was fastest linux distro
01.06.2014, 19:21, Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk: On Sun 01 Jun 2014 at 13:09:11 -0400, Steve Litt wrote: On Sun, 01 Jun 2014 13:18:11 +0200 David Dušanić ivanovne...@gmail.com wrote: I would make an .Xdefaults/.Xresources in your home folder with this e.g.: Xft.autohint: 0 Xft.antialias: 1 Xft.hinting: true Xft.hintstyle: hintslight Xft.dpi: 96 Xft.rgba: rgb Xft.lcdfilter: lcddefault I added those to my ~/.Xdefaults, and whether I set Xft.dpi to 96, 48, or 192, it always looked the same, so I doubt that these things are being read or acted upon. Because Debian's X doesn't consult or read ~/.Xdefaults. I use them with my WMs and it works unless I am missing something. Additionally I put my colors there for my terminals and whatnot. In any case I would then recommend to use .Xresources if this is the preferred method even though it makes no difference on the effect it has. -- David Dusanic -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1540791401705...@web28m.yandex.ru
Re: Sawfish and Openbox: was fastest linux distro
31.05.2014, 18:59, Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com: On Sat, 31 May 2014 08:51:13 -0400 Tony Baldwin t...@tonybaldwin.info wrote: Sawfish and openbox, even metacity would fit in this last just manages windows category, and, in fact, don't even include a panel, which I think JWM has by default. You're just the person I need to talk to, Tony. Right now I've switched over from Xfce to Openbox, and like it. Except for one thing: the fonts look a whole lot worse on Openbox, and I have very bad vision, so this isn't aesthetics: It affects the speed at which I work. Do you know of a way to make fonts on Openbox look like the ones on Xfce? I would make an .Xdefaults/.Xresources in your home folder with this e.g.: Xft.autohint: 0 Xft.antialias: 1 Xft.hinting: true Xft.hintstyle: hintslight Xft.dpi: 96 Xft.rgba: rgb Xft.lcdfilter: lcddefault or install lxappearance to adjust fonts. -- David Dusanic -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/6013961401621...@web21m.yandex.ru
Re: How to declare default browser in JWM
30.05.2014, 18:10, Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com: Anyone know how to change the default browser on JWM? You could use Debian's alternative system: update-alternatives --config x-www-browser as root and choose your option. -- David Dusanic -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/4678381401531...@web15m.yandex.ru
Re: Gnome 3 password-protected screensaver / Jessie
29.05.2014, 15:30, Gary Dale garyd...@torfree.net: On 29/05/14 07:14 AM, David Dušanić wrote: 29.05.2014, 05:24, Gary Dale garyd...@torfree.net: If you are getting different results then your system has a different setup from mine. If you've got a working password-protected screen saver, I'd like to know how you got it working. In may case, I have a working screen saver when using the KDE desktop but not when using Gnome 3. Checking with Synaptic, I have screen saver packages installed but they don't appear to functioning when using Gnome 3. I am not a regular Gnome user but I usually use gnome-screensaver to lock the screen, nothing else. -- David Dusanic -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/4805791401436...@web3h.yandex.ru
Re: fastest linux distro
29.05.2014, 22:27, Gour g...@atmarama.net: Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.com writes: If there's a lighter weight DE I'd like to know. http://i3wm.org/ Sincerely, Gour i3 is not a desktop environment. ;) -- David Dusanic -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/2535061401437...@web26g.yandex.ru
Re: fastest linux distro
29.05.2014, 23:07, Gour g...@atmarama.net: Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net writes: A tiling WM isn't a DE. Can you tell me what is missing? It has status bar, systray, launcher, workspaces...ability to launch specific app in a specific workspace. There is upcoming feature to save one's layout. Sincerely, Gour Ok, we have to be even more correct on this, even JWM is just a window manager. -- David Dusanic -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/2558361401437...@web26g.yandex.ru
Re: fastest linux distro
29.05.2014, 23:19, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net: On Thu, 2014-05-29 at 23:07 +0200, Gour wrote: Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net writes: A tiling WM isn't a DE. Can you tell me what is missing? It has status bar, systray, launcher, workspaces...ability to launch specific app in a specific workspace. There is upcoming feature to save one's layout. If so, then still resizing and moving windows by the mouse is missing, assumed even this isn't missing, then it's not a tiling WM anymore. Yes, you can resize windows with the mouse but it still tiles windows if you want. i3 is a dynamic (tiling) WM. -- David Dusanic -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/2588031401438...@web26g.yandex.ru
Re: Gnome 3 password-protected screensaver / Jessie
29.05.2014, 05:24, Gary Dale garyd...@torfree.net: ...but there is no provision for a password. Just begin to type your password and you will see a prompt to log in. -- David Dusanic -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1402691401362...@web6h.yandex.ru
Re: want to revert back to gnome classic mode.
21.05.2014, 11:27, Muhammad Yousuf Khan sir...@gmail.com: Thanks Joe, David , Chirs and all . actually login screen step worked for me. even i am also trying xfce4. can i make gnome classic default loging environment? Yes, you can. Usually your display manager should take the last option you used as your desktop environment as the new default but I could be wrong because I use LightDM on sid and that is how it works but in previous releases I had to edit the default session. -- David Dusanic -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/856541400744...@web7h.yandex.ru
Re: want to revert back to gnome classic mode.
If I remember correctly LXDE is going through a transition to Qt. Maybe the reason why? There were some intermittent issues with those menu options in xfce a little while ago but I thought they were related to lightdm/systemd issues. In any event it all seems to work fine now. Yes, it was related to systemd and LightDM. -- David Dusanic -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/3292711400745...@web29j.yandex.ru
Re: want to revert back to gnome classic mode.
21.05.2014, 07:54, "Muhammad Yousuf Khan" sir...@gmail.com:i have just installed debian 7 and i am feeling a bit uncomfortable with the new look ("unity" type) i want the all time old menu "gnome classic". how can i enable that.Thanks,Myk Log out and choose Gnome Classic from the GDM drop down menu. -- David Dusanic
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Re: want to revert back to gnome classic mode.
21.05.2014, 10:00, "Muhammad Yousuf Khan" sir...@gmail.com:do i have to uninstall gnome3 in order to work with xfce4 actually i wanted to run both by enabling one and disabiling other for testing puporse or to evaluate which one is better for me. btw i installed xfce4 and restarted the system however it again gave me the gnome 3 desktop. Again, you have to choose Xfce session from your login manager.No, you do not have to uninstall Gnome 3. -- David Dusanic -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1801351400660...@web7j.yandex.ru
Re: systemd situation in Jesssie
19.05.2014, 10:30, "Erwan David" er...@rail.eu.org:And can you explain why hplip depends on systemd ?Excepting that some people pretend that their personal choice is theonly way to run a ciomputer and tend to enforce it to other.Linux is becoming just another windows. It is no more a Unix.-- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.orgArchive: https://lists.debian.org/5379c135.7060...@rail.eu.orgI do not use hplip, so I have no idea about that dependency, I guess it is policykit again. But even if you install systemd, that does not mean it will change your init system if you do not decide explicitly to do so. -- David Dusanic
Re: systemd situation in Jesssie
19.05.2014, 00:21, "Tom H" tomh0...@gmail.com:On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 11:29 AM, David Dušanić ivanovne...@gmail.com wrote: Systemd-shim is there to provide functions by systemd on a system that does not use it as its init system. It could be useful when you depend on Gnome 3 software like network-manager but do not want to use systemd.AFAIUI:It's not clear that systemd-shim is going to be updated to deal withsystemd 208 (it works with systemd 204) because of changes in thekernel's cgroup implementation because Ubuntu's switching to systemdso it doesn't need to do so.So unless someone packages Ubuntu's cgmanager and patches logind 208to use it (and perhaps does even more than that), it's unlikely thatsystemd-shim will be useful in jessie as a systemdmini-/micro-substitute.-- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.orgArchive: https://lists.debian.org/CAOdo=Sydx=u0sgmuxxdsxwvhobokn3lqzum844pomk-5_1+...@mail.gmail.comThat could be. Personally I already use systemd on sid, so I have no problem with it. I think it would be even better to avoid everything systemd, also systemd-shim, if you do not want systemd as your new init. That means avoiding Gnome 3 related software and policykit etc. But then people will complain about not automounting their drives and so on. -- David Dusanic
Re: systemd situation in Jesssie
17.05.2014, 22:29, "Erwan David" er...@rail.eu.org:Le 17/05/2014 22:02, Tom H a écrit : On Sat, May 17, 2014 at 3:21 PM, Erwan David er...@rail.eu.org wrote: Le 17/05/2014 20:57, Sven Joachim a écrit : On 2014-05-17 19:58 +0200, Martin Vegter wrote: I am wondering whether systemd will be mandatory in Jessie. At the moment, I can install Jessie without systemd. Will this stay so, or will this change somewhere before Jessie becomes stable? Depending on your needs, installing systemd might be mandatory in unstable already (e.g. gdm3 indirectly depends on it), but you do _not_ have to install systemd-sysv and thus make it the default init system. So systemd-sysv is the real systemd ? or is there someting else ? systemd-sysv uninstalls sysvinit-core and takes over "/sbin/init" so systemd is used as pid 1. If you don't install systemd-sysv, you have to add "init=/lib/systemd/systemd" to the kernel cmdline in order to use systemd as pid 1.I do not particularly want to use it. I juste want to be prepared forwhen the switch will be compulsory. And there is a package calledsystemd which thus is *not* the systemd used as init, but something else? And what about systemd-shim ? When to use one, when to use another ?Thare are many packages, the documentation is sparse, and verydifficult to read (vocabulary, construction of the text, etc...)eg take the man of systemd-logind. At the end there is a link to"inhibition lock" documentation; However it is the first mention ofthose inhibition locks...Take systemd.service man age : speaks of sections, "units" without anydefinitions of what is a unit and what is a section. For the latter onecan guess it must be sothing looking like a windows .ini file, but notsure yet : the existing doc seems to be redacted *against* all unixadmins knowledge and habits.-- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.orgArchive: https://lists.debian.org/5377c6b7.9060...@rail.eu.orgSystemd-shim is there to provide functions by systemd on a system that does not use it as its init system. It could be useful when you depend on Gnome 3 software like network-manager but do not want to use systemd. -- David Dusanic
