Beryl on Etch / Nvidia Geforce FX 5200
A friend of mine was kind enough to gift me an nvidia Geforce 5200 (128 megs) for my old athlon 1000 system. I'm currently running etch. Following the beryl wiki, I got the packages from their repository, installed them, and beryl sort of works. By sort of, I can get some of the screen effects to work (such as alt-tab, shadings and so forth) but beryl-manager doesn't like my setup for some reason. I get errors like: beryl: No GLXFBConfig for depth 32 beryl: Couldn't bind redirected window 0xe001d2 to texture beryl: No GLXFBConfig for depth 32 beryl: Couldn't bind redirected window 0xe001d2 to texture beryl: No GLXFBConfig for depth 32 beryl: Couldn't bind redirected window 0xe001d2 to texture beryl: No GLXFBConfig for depth 32 beryl: Couldn't bind redirected window 0xe001d2 to texture beryl: No GLXFBConfig for depth 32 when switching apps, printed on the xterminal the beryl-nanager program was called from. Additionally there are no window decorations on the windows. There's a strange error about dbus-launch failing This should not happen I tried googleing for the exact error text, and only got one hit which was not very relevant - it was for arch linux. If someone can peek at my /etc/X11/xorg.conf and see if I missed something, please do so :). -- David E. Fox Thanks for letting me [EMAIL PROTECTED]change magnetic patterns [EMAIL PROTECTED] on your hard disk. --- xorg.conf Description: Binary data
Re: Recommend inexpensive MP3 player?
On Mon, Apr 16, 2007 at 10:24:46AM -0500, Reid Priedhorsky wrote: Hi folks, I would like to get an MP3 player to use with my Lenny box. My specs are few but perhaps odd: I ended up with an Iriver T30. It's like 59.95 at Sears on a 50% off (I think the retail was about 119.95). It's a gig, with decent battery life, very small, but still usable. It's not as easy as expected to sync it with linux. It uses a microsoft protocol. There is a way to flash the bios in the device to make it look just like a USB mass storage device, play ogg files, etc. But that flashing process requires Windows. I don't have windows. But the device does play ogg files out of the box. Oddly enough, if I plug it in, konqueror upens it up and I can see the files. I just can't write to the device (drop files on the folder representing the USB device). So, the preferred method (at least for me), involving amarok and connecting right to the media player (absent some Ruby scripts?) is not possible. The workaround is to use front-ends from libmtp (somewhere on sourceforge SVN) and use commands like 'mtp-connect --sendfile from the command line. It works well enough. - Uses AAA or AA batteries, preferably 2. aaa x1. Reid -- David E. Fox Thanks for letting me [EMAIL PROTECTED]change magnetic patterns [EMAIL PROTECTED] on your hard disk. --- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Recommend inexpensive MP3 player?
On Mon, 16 Apr 2007 22:47:45 +0200 Magnus Pedersen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And the gnomad in Debian is borked! You need to compile your own, but then it just works. It almost work with libmtp in amarok and konqueror, you can erease files and list stuff, but not upload new files ;-) That stops being fun rather quick. That seems to mirror my experiences with the iriver T30. Question - would getting gnomad make life any easier? I guess I can give it a try. I wonder if we just have to wait for a beefier libmtp. Either that, or better integration with it and Amarok and other methods. It seems strange that reading (and deleting) would be supported but not writing new files (after all, a delete is a sort of write, isn't it?) Of course, having a better mp3 player is an option, just not one for me at present. Interesting thing about libmtp - I stumbled across it after reading a writeup about the Iriver T30 linux, suggesting that it be interfaced similarly to what gphoto2 does with certain cameras that aren't UMS capable. Having had similar issues with such a device last year, a light bulb went off in my head and I started looking in more detail. After all, it came to be a fruitful search, as I was about to return the item as non-working to the store. /Magnus -- David E. Fox Thanks for letting me [EMAIL PROTECTED]change magnetic patterns [EMAIL PROTECTED] on your hard disk. --- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Recommend inexpensive MP3 player?
On Mon, 16 Apr 2007 20:57:57 -0700 David E. Fox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That seems to mirror my experiences with the iriver T30. Question - would getting gnomad make life any easier? I guess I can give it a try. Bad form to followup to myself, but gnomad2 does seem to work with the iriver T30.. woot! ;) -- David E. Fox Thanks for letting me [EMAIL PROTECTED]change magnetic patterns [EMAIL PROTECTED] on your hard disk. --- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Daily Updates
On Thu, 12 Apr 2007 23:05:08 -0400 Greg Folkert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lenny/Sid, it used to say Etch/Sid until about November of 2006. I am sure it will say Lenny/Sid until a few weeks until the (set, but not met) release of Lenny. But what's the rationale behind that? I mean, at any one time, the release is either Etch, or Lenny, or whatever comes next. Unless someone has mixed sources (testing and unstable, like knoppix, mepis, or other derived distros), it should be either etch, or lenny or whatever. It shouldn't be Lenny/Sid. That implies mixed sources, and it's a potential (and real) source of confusion. -- David E. Fox Thanks for letting me [EMAIL PROTECTED]change magnetic patterns [EMAIL PROTECTED] on your hard disk. --- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Daily Updates
On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 22:30:41 GMT s. keeling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As it was explained to me, following an aptitude upgrade with aptitude dist-upgrade solves this. Leave your sources.list as it is and do a OK, it seems to be installing those extras now. It seems aptitude dist-upgrade has a few uses outside of upgrading one release to the other. -- David E. Fox Thanks for letting me [EMAIL PROTECTED]change magnetic patterns [EMAIL PROTECTED] on your hard disk. --- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Daily Updates
On Sun, 15 Apr 2007 21:39:06 +0200 Florian Kulzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is just a consequence of the fact that the package base-files (which contains /etc/debian_version) is the same for Unstable and I see. Thanks for the explanation, it makes sense now. Florian -- David E. Fox Thanks for letting me [EMAIL PROTECTED]change magnetic patterns [EMAIL PROTECTED] on your hard disk. --- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Any good and high quality music player?
On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 09:24:52 -0400 Kevin Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I attach my desktop to my stereo amplifier which has real speakers and then fiddle with alsaconf setting. Thus to get 'better' sound, you need better equipment, which excludes using tiny laptop speakers :-) Yep, I do the same thing. I had cheap satellite speakers that I used to use, but they had too many shorts, so I decided that I could just get a halfway decent (and long enough) cable that had two male RCA-type connectors to two other male RCA-type connectors, and connect the soundcard to the aux input (my 1994-ish vintage receiver doesn't have digital inputs, sadly). Still I get pretty decent sound. Way back when, people used to invest in hardware equalizers to help the sound and attach them to their receivers. Nowadays the equalizers are all free and open-source :). -- David E. Fox Thanks for letting me [EMAIL PROTECTED]change magnetic patterns [EMAIL PROTECTED] on your hard disk. --- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Daily Updates
On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 12:08:06 +0200 Joe Hart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You really should be specific to which version you're running. If you're running Sarge, you won't be getting many updates, if you're A related observation/question. I have been tracking 'etch' (as opposed to 'testing' for many months now, starting shortly after sarge became stable. This is the first time, though, that I've gone through a distro upgrade with debian (i.e., etch - lenny) and since etch went stable last week, I haven't gotten a lot of updates, not that I would have expected that really. In fact, I have gotten 4. k9copy, libavccodecs, that sort of thing, from an aptitude update aptitude upgrade session earlier this morning (Sat 14th). I thought odd that I would be having 'holds' still, does that mean that these packages will never get upgraded unless and until I replace 'etch' with 'lenny' in my sources.lst? And based on some prior list input, it would seem that it would be best to let my box remain on etch for some period of time before switching to lenny. (snipped from earlier upgrade session) [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ sudo aptitude upgrade 2 /tmp/update.log Password: Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree... Done Reading extended state information Initializing package states... Done Reading task descriptions... Done Building tag database... Done The following packages have been kept back: bind9-host dnsutils epiphany-browser ffmpeg firefox firefox-gnome-support gnome-core gnome-desktop-environment gnomemeeting gnupg initscripts k3b libavcodeccvs51 libavcodeccvs51-dev libavformatcvs51 libavformatcvs51-dev libbind9-0 libfinance-quote-perl libgpgme11 libisccfg1 libxalan2-java libxerces2-java liferea liferea-gtkhtml linux-image-2.6-k7 mencoder mkisofs mplayer nautilus nautilus-cd-burner nautilus-data sysvinit xfce4-panel AIUI, this situation (kept back) is because some portion of the package depends on something else that's either broken or not yet available. Joe -- David E. Fox Thanks for letting me [EMAIL PROTECTED]change magnetic patterns [EMAIL PROTECTED] on your hard disk. --- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: apt-mirror trouble when using local repo
On Tue, 20 Mar 2007 14:59:15 +0200 Tshepang Lekhonkhobe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I got Debian DVD Etch src iso files which I'd like loop-mount and use as my repo sources for apt-mirror to use. This is so that I don't have EMFBI, but wouldn't it be easier to use apt-cdrom to add the dvd as a source for later installs rather than an apt-mirror solution a loopback mount? Seems to be more work than needed. OTOH when I had a cd-less system and Mandrake, I had all available ISOs loopback mounted for exactly that purpose - although each ISO was still listed as a cdrom source, rather than a mirror source per se. -- David E. Fox Thanks for letting me [EMAIL PROTECTED]change magnetic patterns [EMAIL PROTECTED] on your hard disk. --- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [debian-user] The List Standard
On Mon, 09 Apr 2007 20:01:37 -0600 Ted Hilts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: First: as I understand your guideline I am not to use the reply key but simply address my reply back to the list and it will be automatically added to the descending list. But have you not in your own email broken the chain of information because all I get when I read your email is to see your one extraction and I don't know Ted - please wrap your lines at 72 characters. It'll make your posts easier to read and reply to. Most (sane) mailers track by something called Reference Threading - so that a subject with the added text [debian-user] will still be able to be seen as part of the thread. Normally, one should just reply-to list, and it's considered bad form to mail the poster directly, unless asked to do so. Second: Also, when one person removes content they think is irrelevant but the original author might think otherwise then how does one find that original information? By using the reference threads, or maybe archives if the original post is long gone. That's usually not going to be the case, unless the old post is (ahem) old. All the replies should be visible as one thread that you and others can navigate through in order to form the big picture. Third: Altering the original content or injecting statements adds more confusion than it saves especially if a lot of people are in disagreement with one another. Shouldn't happen much. For threads where there is a lot of disagreement (see the subjects sponge burning for instance) people haven't been altering the original content. That would be disastrous, and really open one up for a flame fest ;(. Thanks -- Ted -- David E. Fox Thanks for letting me [EMAIL PROTECTED]change magnetic patterns [EMAIL PROTECTED] on your hard disk. --- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [debian-user] Virus, Trojan, and Worm
On Wed, 07 Mar 2007 14:36:46 -0700 Ted Hilts - Thunderbird Acct. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has antivirus software advanced to the point that the following excerpt from Debian Administration (dated late 2004) is now invalid? I added the square brackets and their content. Viruses are a fact of life nowadays, be they real viruses or worms which require manual intervention on the [be]half of a user to [prevent] propogate[propogation]. Unix systems tend to be immune from the viruses themselves, but they still have mail queues full of viral messages. I would say that it's still relevant. Linux/Unix systems are less apt to be propagators - for a virus/worm to work it must gain rights that are in most cases that of privileged users. Still, most viruses/worms (especially the latter) are propogated by emailing the content to others, usually automatically. Since most mailers on Linux/unix are not set up to automatically open *and run* attachments, at least some of the damage is minimized. I still get a few viruses and worms every so often - the Microsoft Update Patch is one that's been circulating for years - and it's about 200K. Ouch. If you're on a network, especially if you have a Linux/unix system that does services for Windows machines connected to it, one really should have antivirus toolkits on the Linux machine(s). had to do was compress the worm infested file and then delete the file. If I remember right I had my own approach which was to move the infested Wouldn't it be easier to have the antivirus software deliver the file to /dev/null? Thanks, Ted -- David E. Fox Thanks for letting me [EMAIL PROTECTED]change magnetic patterns [EMAIL PROTECTED] on your hard disk. --- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian User List
On Mon, 02 Apr 2007 00:04:48 GMT s. keeling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nah, the kids these days think MLs are old hat and frumpy compared to web forums. You can't point and click on anything in slrn or mutt. And they can't see those trite 'emoticons' either - the animated faces that jump up and down, blow their 'nose' when they're sad, that sort of thing. Cute maybe they are the first few times, but I wouldn't want my HD full of those things. -- David E. Fox Thanks for letting me [EMAIL PROTECTED]change magnetic patterns [EMAIL PROTECTED] on your hard disk. --- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian User List
On Mon, 02 Apr 2007 07:01:14 + Joe Hart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: thing about English that makes it popular is that one can really mess up the grammar and still be understood. Ditto the spelling. Spammers do it all the time: Oradder from Calanada and salve maloney :). Joe -- David E. Fox Thanks for letting me [EMAIL PROTECTED]change magnetic patterns [EMAIL PROTECTED] on your hard disk. --- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Graphics programming
On Thu, 5 Apr 2007 21:14:21 -0400 Douglas Allan Tutty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Have you read the origional Fortran for the 704? Its a hoot (its on ibm's website). For the interested, a quick google search found the following url - fortran ii listing for the 704. I guess it's the compiler, not that I can really read it - assembly on the 704 I mean. I learnt assembly for later systems (360/370) when I was in school. URL is http://community.computerhistory.org/scc/projects/FORTRAN/source/fortran-ii/304349-Volume_III.pdf About 21 megs of PDF. Since it's volume III, one guesses there is a volume one and two at least. So it's part of the compiler source. (Un)fortunately I never was young enough to do programming on machines that were that ancient - best I could do was wait for a couple of hours for a cobol program to run during finals week at the junior college around here. But that was on a relatively underpowered 370 running DOS/VSE with a bunch of student terminals - we even had punch card early on. That machine only had 2 megs of real (core) memory. ;) Or at least I think it was still core then. Older folks have passed down horror stories that some of the original fortran compile runs were done as N-pass compilers for values of N close to 20. One had to load the original compiler (on cards) into the machine too, and the intermediate runs were chained back to back on big iron tape drives. Doug. -- David E. Fox Thanks for letting me [EMAIL PROTECTED]change magnetic patterns [EMAIL PROTECTED] on your hard disk. --- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Lilypond
On Sat, 31 Mar 2007 22:41:11 -0400 Roberto C. Sánchez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Apr 01, 2007 at 03:26:41AM +0200, Florian Kulzer wrote: 4) The first rule of In-Reply-To headers is that you don't ever include In-Reply-To headers. So, what's the second rule of I-R-T headers? No Pooftah's? :) There is *NO* rule 6. -- David E. Fox Thanks for letting me [EMAIL PROTECTED]change magnetic patterns [EMAIL PROTECTED] on your hard disk. ---
Re: I do consider Ubuntu to be Debian , Ian Murdock
On Mon, 19 Mar 2007 23:11:07 -0400 Carl Fink [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just can't handle the absurdly-long release cycle any more. I'm not sure a release cycle is strictly necessary -- theoretically, one can just stay on the testing track ad infinitum; at least there is a reasonable buffer between it and staying on the 'sid' track. Carl Fink [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- David E. Fox Thanks for letting me [EMAIL PROTECTED]change magnetic patterns [EMAIL PROTECTED] on your hard disk. --- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: I do consider Ubuntu to be Debian , Ian Murdock
On Mon, 19 Mar 2007 19:51:35 -0400 Michael Pobega [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: something stable that won't break every six months (Of course I can just not dist-upgrade, but then I wouldn't get ANY package upgrades). Can you not do something much like to 'aptitude update aptitude upgrade on Ubuntu, no matter what flavor? Case in point - I had a guest box over here for a couple of months, and I installed Ubuntu Edgy on it. After the initial install, configuration, and such, I kept it up to date with the Edgy repository by simply doing that, just like I would have done on Debian Etch/testing on my main machine, although of course, the packages sources list pointed to Ubuntu and not Debian repositories. Of course, there will be more releases done in the same time frame on Ubuntu compared to pure Debian. So, you risk potential obsolescence sooner if you install (for instance) Edgy add Edgy becomes what Dapper is now. -- David E. Fox Thanks for letting me [EMAIL PROTECTED]change magnetic patterns [EMAIL PROTECTED] on your hard disk. --- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: audio recorder on etch?
On Mon, 19 Mar 2007 13:34:04 +0100 Johannes Wiedersich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is this for streaming audio or for recording from the audio-in of the sound card? Both, although streaming to mplayer's internal dumpstream format uses a lot less disk space for the internal format. Of course, you have to convert it afterwards, and if you convert to .wav you may end up with the same 2gb size limit as if you encoded straight to wav in the first place. Back when I was actively recording schickele mix audio files from PRI, I originally used the record from the audio in (ossdsp) method, but that required too much work on the other end, because of what artifacts the sound card would bring in (levels, microphone settings, and so forth), so I ultimately opted to record the audio programs using mplayer's dump stream format. Johannes -- David E. Fox Thanks for letting me [EMAIL PROTECTED]change magnetic patterns [EMAIL PROTECTED] on your hard disk. --- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: sponge burning!
On Wed, 28 Feb 2007 08:23:10 -0600 Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you're thinking of the Roman Church's stricture against Onanism, well, Augustine had more than one weird idea. Big misconception (pardon the pun) about that... Onanism isn't masturbation, it's coitus interruptus. -- David E. Fox Thanks for letting me [EMAIL PROTECTED]change magnetic patterns [EMAIL PROTECTED] on your hard disk. --- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: no sound on mplayer + .nsv stream
On Sat, 03 Feb 2007 18:11:41 +0100 Jonathan Kaye [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sure I remember. Thanks for the hints. Interestingly, there's also a tv channel associated with the same people and the url is: http://85.92.138.40:8000/;stream.nsv Odd. I also didn't get any sound from the first link you provided, and generally mplayer just works with streams IME. The problem I also agree with Roman - is the faac, but I'm not completely sure. For instance, I get the same warning on the audio part of the codec with this link as I did with the other link (i.e., unknown compressed size). Also, as a fallback, vlc doesn't recognize the codec at all on the first link. vlc doesn't display any video on the second link but does play the audio fine... For the first link provided, vlc gives this: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ vlc http://85.92.138.33:8500/;stream.nsv; VLC media player 0.8.6a Janus [0291] access_http access: Raw-audio server found, nsv demuxer selected [0296] main decoder error: no suitable decoder module for fourcc `VP61'. VLC probably does not support this sound or video format. For the second link I get (using vlc) [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ vlc http://85.92.138.40:8000/;stream.nsv VLC media player 0.8.6a Janus [0291] access_http access: Raw-audio server found, nsv demuxer selected [0296] main decoder error: no suitable decoder module for fourcc `VP61'. VLC probably does not support this sound or video format. This is on testing/etch. I suspect a wonky codec as a possibility. Jonathan -- David E. Fox Thanks for letting me [EMAIL PROTECTED]change magnetic patterns [EMAIL PROTECTED] on your hard disk. --- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: about audacity and sound recording on Linux
On Mon, 19 Feb 2007 23:03:41 +0100 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BTW, if you want to do all recording and converting on the fly, you can use arecord to record from alsa and pipe the output directly to oggenc or lame (but at least for lame with VBR this might brake the FWIW, sox can do inline recording (and coversion to ogg, or mp3, but the ogg is restricted to a speed of 128, I believe, if you do it on the fly), using the -t ossdsp switch, like $ sox -V -c2 -r 44100 -t ossdsp -w -s /dev/dsp $1.ogg Marcus Blumhagen -- David E. Fox Thanks for letting me [EMAIL PROTECTED]change magnetic patterns [EMAIL PROTECTED] on your hard disk. --- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Dosemu
On Mon, 19 Feb 2007 20:42:48 -0900 Greg Madden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have found a solution, of sorts, as to why Dosemu does not run on 2.6.12 + kernels, basically anything after Debian Sarge. It seems that 2.6.12 Hmm. I'm running 2.6.18 now (self-compiled) and dosemu works, as far as I can tell. I don't use it much, but it is versino 1.2.2 and apart from the vga font thing it doesn't seem to have any trouble (not that I have done any extensive testing) but I managed to get 4dos to run, if that's anything. Greg Madden -- David E. Fox Thanks for letting me [EMAIL PROTECTED]change magnetic patterns [EMAIL PROTECTED] on your hard disk. ---
Re: Download cd-iso images
On Mon, 26 Feb 2007 09:57:44 -0500 Curt Howland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jigdo has never worked for me. Odd, that. I don't use it a whole lot, but it has worked for me the couple of times I've downloaded etch DVD disk #1 images. I usually, but not always, get appreciable throughput (have a DSL connection). ftp can be slow if you're ftp'ing to a slow link. Of all the ftp sites that comprise ftp.us.debian.org (and it is not just one, of course) there are slow places and there are fast places. There will be times (and there has been IME) when the site picked when you ftp to ftp.us.debian.org isn't too fast or is too clogged. Bittorrent works too, but it is subject to popularity, age, and just how many people are seeding. At least jigdo has the *potential* of being just as fast (if not faster) than bittorrent because it doesn't depend on the same external factors as bittorrent (i.e., who's seeding and how fast). And since each packet of files is individually downloaded and checksummed in- dependently of the others, and likely from a different ftp site each time, it spreads the load from the machines that are already in place to distribute the files. Curt- -- David E. Fox Thanks for letting me [EMAIL PROTECTED]change magnetic patterns [EMAIL PROTECTED] on your hard disk. --- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: a dumb query? pls humor me
On Mon, 26 Feb 2007 09:15:22 -0600 Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I need something that will detect when I plug in my camera, and import any photos, and that's what gthumb does. I really like digikam. YMMV. -- David E. Fox Thanks for letting me [EMAIL PROTECTED]change magnetic patterns [EMAIL PROTECTED] on your hard disk. --- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Debian-User] re: Network Install
On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 14:55:44 -0700 Admin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I download a 128MB network installer iso so that I could use it to download binariy and source files one at a time from over the internet. Usually you only need binary packages, you don't need the sources unless you want to compile your own stuff. Being new to Debian I tried to understand this process and came to understand that all binary files are considered to be a package sort Packages usually come with binary or source (hence binary or source packages), documentation, info such as what dependancies are needed to satisfy the install (for instance, a program may need to use library routines that are in a library package, and/or source packeges would need the development versions of these libraries, and so forth). In other words, I need a Debian system up and running (which I don't have at the present time) and even then the packaged binaries and sources will be unpacked and placed into the system. What I was after Yes, but you don't need the whole archive to install a basic system. As other posters have indicated, the packages are sorted in popularity order, such that most everything people want are on the first two or three cd's. The diffiulty for you would be how to do afterinstall maintenance - adding new pakages, upgrading, and so forth, which in any event would be slow over a dialup connection. For most of the stuff will be on a cdrom (or dvd) that you just add as a repository with 'apt-cdrom'. Some won't be, of course, depending on how many cd's you need. directed by some kind of menu. This is fine, if that is how it happens, but I want my own updateable archive from which this network installer can feed . I don't see the point. The updates are fairly small differences to the main chunk (or pool). Of course, small is relative. My last update on etch (I normally do them weekly) was about 100 megabytes. That could take about 10-12 hours to get over the modem. One of the posters estimated the 'pool' (entire debian tree) as about 256 gigs. And you don't need it -- or even want to store that much - since that's abour 45.5 DVDs. And it is as I understand it, stable/testing/unstable for all the architecture (CPU types) that debian supports. You'd, for instance, only need the i386 part of the pool. What you probably want/need is the first snapshot DVD of the etch (testing) distribution. I realize that you dislike snapshot releasws but these days, etch is pretty polished, and if you use jigdo-lite you master the image on say a dvd-rw, then run it again later, it will only update the parts that have changed, and you write that back to the dvd-rw. That's about the first 7 cd's, and it if used as an apt-cdrom source, you can do the install off of it as well as add new packages from it at a later date, without using the network. For your purposes, I don't believe the netinstall CD would be the way to go, as it is too small, and really intended for people who have a fast enough connection that can get all the other stuff over the internet (or have a local repository on their LAN, but of course, you have to populate that from somewhere outside the LAN in the first place, so the point is moot if you've only a dialup connection). In other words, a local LAN repository would make sense in a university or datacenter of a corporation, where you have a number of machines to keep up to date. Python, Lisp, and many others; It lookis like I would have to (separate from the installer and separate from the FTP ) gather these binaries and sources one at a time site by site. Or have I got something very wrong??? Nearly everything you need would be part of the repository (of course, there are several to choose from) so you don't have to go out and look for them, unless: * they are extremely new and you want the most current version, or * they don't exist in the repositories (specialty or other stuff) Thanks Ted. -- David E. Fox Thanks for letting me [EMAIL PROTECTED]change magnetic patterns [EMAIL PROTECTED] on your hard disk. --- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: News Flash
On Wed, 7 Feb 2007 12:02:48 +0100 Florian Kulzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It seems to me that Steve Jobs likes DRM very much, as long as it makes it difficult for competitors to interoperate smoothly with iTunes and/or the iPod. (I know that the end user has relatively easy ways around As an entrepreneur, DRM must be seen as a good thing (tm). Any technology that would force users to buy new copies of their favorite songs when they change devices means more $$ to the record companies. We've seen it before with cassettes and 8 track tapes, and the record industry saying you couldn't tape your record collection for use in your car. Now as a (presently) ipod-less user, I don't have to buy a new cd for each portable device, car stereo, component or computer cd-rom, at least not yet. But the drm makes me think that if I had bought stuff from itunes and my ipod broke, and I bought another similar device, I'd just have to go to that similar device's store and download and purchas the same songs again :(. Florian -- David E. Fox Thanks for letting me [EMAIL PROTECTED]change magnetic patterns [EMAIL PROTECTED] on your hard disk. --- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: News Flash
On Thu, 08 Feb 2007 11:29:16 -0600 Mike McCarty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What I want to see happen is removing the restrictions of making backup copies of my DVDs and prohibiting me from playing them outside of my own region. To me, this is IMO, we really caved into the less-than-free governments when we agreed to that crap. Law allows that, but then allows the manufacturer to prevent it. ISTR some record executive or someone saying that your backup is at the store. Mike -- David E. Fox Thanks for letting me [EMAIL PROTECTED]change magnetic patterns [EMAIL PROTECTED] on your hard disk. --- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Litter in the logs when DVD seen by KsCD
On Wed, 17 Jan 2007 00:38:47 + Nick Boyce [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd figured out (eventually) that the extreme amount of useless messages being logged to various system logfiles (syslog, messages, etc.) : Jan 12 00:08:00 localhost kernel: hdc: packet command error: error=0x50 Jan 12 00:08:01 localhost kernel: hdc: packet command error: status=0x51 I've noticed this too. I almost panicked because I'm doing some video encoding and am reading avi files off of DVD's and so forth - and came across one day's worth of logs (the file being over 10 megs) with a lot of this stuff. But the dvd in question was good - no read errors, knock on wood. -- David E. Fox Thanks for letting me [EMAIL PROTECTED]change magnetic patterns [EMAIL PROTECTED] on your hard disk. --- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian, Iceweasle, Firefox!
On Sat, 27 Jan 2007 00:44:05 -0500 Hal Vaughan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How else are they going to fill up their 300GB hard drives if they can't download nudie pics? alt.binaries.movies.divx :) Hal -- David E. Fox Thanks for letting me [EMAIL PROTECTED]change magnetic patterns [EMAIL PROTECTED] on your hard disk. --- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: sponge burning!
On Wed, 31 Jan 2007 21:22:21 +0200 Andrei Popescu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought Dexter's Laboratory would be more popular with members of this list. From the recent stuff it's my favorite. Naaa... South Park :) Andrei -- David E. Fox Thanks for letting me [EMAIL PROTECTED]change magnetic patterns [EMAIL PROTECTED] on your hard disk. --- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: top post fixer?
On Tue, 23 Jan 2007 02:28:24 -0500 Steve C. Lamb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Define most. In all of the email clients I have ever chosen to use not a single one exhibits the behavior you describe. Pine, elm, mutt, PMMail/2, PMMail2000, TheBat, Sylpheed-Claws, Thunderbird just to name most. Pretty Agreed. In fact, when I first started using email at work, we had to use Outlook. I was surprised to find that it didn't quote the way I wanted it to, and I had to physically move things around to make the email look they way that I was accustomed to it looking (i.e., bottom-post, or quotes interspersed with new text style), and not the way it looked like by default. It does seem to be unique to Outlook. Curiously, it's not that way on the Microsoft editors, even if Outlook is a Microsoft product. I mean, composing email is in many respects a similar (if maybe a specialized) use of that must basic of computer uses, text editing aka word processing. And if you think of that, you don't normally edit a pre-existing document by typing in new text at the beginning of the document, you start at the point you left off. Would you (on a typewriter) start adding to an existing docueent by positioning the (used) paper at the beginning, and just type? :) -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your PGP Key: 8B6E99C5 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- -- David E. Fox Thanks for letting me [EMAIL PROTECTED]change magnetic patterns [EMAIL PROTECTED] on your hard disk. --- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Why there is no space left on root partition?
On Fri, 19 Jan 2007 11:32:16 + Jon Dowland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's the stderr output of programs which have been created under an X session. You can safely delete it. And, to the OP: issue a .xsession-errors in the /root directory - it'll just quickly turn into a zero byte file. I'd be curious to know what applications are spouting crap into it. There'd be a round of bugs filed by me on them. I'd I don't recall ever having a large .xsession-errors file. Currently, it's at about 300 bytes. Jon Dowland -- David E. Fox Thanks for letting me [EMAIL PROTECTED]change magnetic patterns [EMAIL PROTECTED] on your hard disk. --- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 2.4 series kernel on Sid
On Fri, 19 Jan 2007 09:59:21 +0100 Dan H. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andrew Sackville-West wrote: maybe you mentioned this before, but what is your X/2.6 problem? Just horning in on this thread here; there are 2 reasons why I run 2.4 on my current sarge box: 1. I have random keyboard freezes on boot-up with the 2.6.8-3-k7 kernel Well, 2.6.8 is very old, and you're better off with etch, which uses (I believe) 2.6.17 (actually, I use 2.6.17, but haven't done a kernel upgrade in a while). 2. The SPICE package I'm frequently using doesn't work under 2.6. Not sure about that - certainly you might have better luck with 2.6. I've never tried running SPICE. I'm expecting to be upgraded to etch any day now when I do aptitude update aptitude upgrade. Won't my 2.4 kernel just stay installed? It should, and should remain an option that you can select from the grub/boot menu. And as I understand the situation, kernels aren't automatically upgraded anyway when you do a dist- or other upgrade, at least not unless you tell aptitude to upgrade the kernel specifically. card to work under 2.4, which means no Google Earth (which in turn means I actually have to work instead of goofing off). I sympathise :). --Daniel -- David E. Fox Thanks for letting me [EMAIL PROTECTED]change magnetic patterns [EMAIL PROTECTED] on your hard disk. --- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: This URL crashes Konqueror.....?
On Thu, 11 Jan 2007 19:02:45 -0800 Alan Ianson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu January 11 2007 18:54, M-L wrote: Can someone enlighten me please as to why this the URL below crashes Konqueror? http://www.avaaz.org/en/iraq_campaign_jan_2007/ It doesn't crash my konqueror on etch-amd64. Well, it did, at least on Etch-i386 - updated since last week, at any rate. It started to bring the page in - got to about 20% or so (rough guess), I was able to see the front page for maybe 1/4 second, then POOOF... then again, maybe it wasn't worth reading. liberal bs. ;( -- David E. Fox Thanks for letting me [EMAIL PROTECTED]change magnetic patterns [EMAIL PROTECTED] on your hard disk. --- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: This URL crashes Konqueror.....?
On Fri, 12 Jan 2007 00:57:36 -0500 Greg Folkert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mainly because of this: http://www.avaaz.org/inc/interstateh2.swf Curiously, that URL doesn't crash Konq. But it displays a message unable to load netscape plugin and just sits there. Konq (at least here) isn't configured right for swf -- but I'm thinking it might work in firefox. It says Please pass in your text in big bold letters, that's it. And, it doesn't seem to differ if firefox 1.5 or 2.0 is run. I have no problems accessing the original posted URL with firefox, however. -- David E. Fox Thanks for letting me [EMAIL PROTECTED]change magnetic patterns [EMAIL PROTECTED] on your hard disk. --- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: This URL crashes Konqueror.....?
On Fri, 12 Jan 2007 02:54:38 -0500 Kamaraju Kusumanchi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Works fine on konqueror 3.5.5 installed from Debian Etch (testing) i386 repositories. No crash and the site renders fine. Hmm. on etch, i386, I have: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ apt-cache policy konqueror konqueror: Installed: 4:3.5.5a.dfsg.1-1 Candidate: 4:3.5.5a.dfsg.1-5 Version table: 4:3.5.5a.dfsg.1-5 0 500 http://ftp.debian.org etch/main Packages *** 4:3.5.5a.dfsg.1-1 0 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status Is that what you are using, raju? -- David E. Fox Thanks for letting me [EMAIL PROTECTED]change magnetic patterns [EMAIL PROTECTED] on your hard disk. --- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: DVD menu creator
On Fri, 12 Jan 2007 07:41:45 + andy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear all Although I have been using the command line to write up quick and dirty xml files to use in the process of burning DVD video files to disk, I was wondering if anyone had a recommendation for a (graphical) dvdstyler is OK. I have used it for a few DVDs. Tovid is very nice - you can do some awesome effects with it. It's a whole suite, there is some GUI but you can do more with the command line. Uses transcode and imagemagick extensively to create animated menus/submenus. http://tovid.sourceforge.net. A -- David E. Fox Thanks for letting me [EMAIL PROTECTED]change magnetic patterns [EMAIL PROTECTED] on your hard disk. --- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Local Packages: can I use /opt/ ?
On Tue, 19 Dec 2006 19:07:52 +0700 Ali Milis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Suppose there exists large-company.com and branch1.large-company.com. Both are producing local packages which may conflict with each others. /opt may be better for one, since there may be conflict. The FHS opines that /opt is really for large, static, software packages. 3.2.1.5. The /opt/ Directory The /opt/ directory provides storage for large, static application software packages. A package placing files in the /opt/ directory creates a directory bearing the same name as the package. This directory in turn holds files that otherwise would be scattered throughout the file system, giving the system administrator an easy way to determine the role of each file within a particular package. For example, if sample is the name of a particular software package located within the /opt/ directory, then all of its files could be placed within directories inside the /opt/sample/ directory, such as /opt/sample/bin/ for binaries and /opt/sample/man/ for manual pages. regards, -- Raja Ali M.I. Ilias, Bengkalis, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AliMilis Counted GNU/Linux Engineer # 405138 - http://counter.li.org/ -- David E. Fox Thanks for letting me [EMAIL PROTECTED]change magnetic patterns [EMAIL PROTECTED] on your hard disk. --- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: .bash_profile ignored in X
On Sun, 17 Dec 2006 01:23:54 -0600 Russell L. Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps in the distant past I edited .bashrc and forgot to make a note of it, and then an upgrade of bash installed a new .bashrc ? One might think that, especially if a command used to work and you hadn't changed something else (you ran the command in an xterm last week, and it worked then, and it doesn't work now). Incidentally, there has been a bash update recently if you're tracking etch, as of yesterday (3.1.5 - 3.1.dfsg-7), but that isn't (at least on my system) the cause of the differing behavior, as my .bashrc hasn't changed. OTOH, one way around this (differing behavior in different environments - login shells vis a vis not-login shells) is to have .bash_profile locally invoke bashrc. That way you only edit one file. It may not work for all, since there just might be an underlying reason why bash does things that way, with respect to login/other shells, and some may expect that behavior (after all, it's documented, isn't it?) :) -- David E. Fox Thanks for letting me [EMAIL PROTECTED]change magnetic patterns [EMAIL PROTECTED] on your hard disk. --- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
setting up compiz on legacy video
I was about to dismiss this as non-doable, but reading some posts on a google search convinced me to try out compiz on etch, so I installed it, making a few recommended changes to /etc/X11/xorg.conf along the way. I'm running etch, with all updates as of today. Hardware is a bit of a clunker: homebuilt Athlon 1.0 ghz, asus MB, Matrox G450 (16 megs video), plenty enough system ram (768 megs). xorg 7.2 possibly (or is it 7.1.1), with updated matrox driver (1.4.4). 3d has worked well for sometime. I gather that this is pretty much lowend hardware to work with compiz, but it *does* work. It is a bit slow, but the eye candy is there -- slide/pinch window, shear on a window, wrap the window over to the next available screen - stuff like that. On the other hand, it's not all that usable because the windows themselves are shrunk to about 1/2 their normal size, and I can't run them any more maximized than they already are. The kde taskbar is also shrunk to one half its normal size; in other words, it uses up the bottom 1/2 of the screen instead of using up all the bottom of the screen as it does normally. That makes for some applications like sylpheed incredibly hard to use. Also, other things slow down appreciably, like mplayer in a window. I haven't noticed much slowdown with 3d apps, although the only 3d app I routinely use is stellerium. It's simple enough that I use it as a test whenever I want to see how well dri is setup, and I don't do anything much with 3d acceleration beyond that -- but without it, stellarium feels like I'm running on an XT :(. There is also some 'bleed-through' in the dri --- for instance if I run glxgears and stellarium at the same time, I can see the gears rotating in the sky ;) - also it's noticeable when I run amarok (the visualizer is apparently using GL), although that is less noticeable and not really that big of an issue, and this is not a compiz issue, but more a driver one. I admittedly haven't done much beyond installing compiz and typing 'compiz --replace' on a konsole (after enabling composite extension in xorg.conf, of course) so I ask is this expected behavior? Am I pushing it as far as the expected performance of compiz? I saw the video, thought wow but upon trying it for the first time it is as if the tape broke :(. Anyone with similar hardware trying this? -- David E. Fox Thanks for letting me [EMAIL PROTECTED]change magnetic patterns [EMAIL PROTECTED] on your hard disk. --- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: bulk mailer
On Tue, 12 Dec 2006 06:58:36 -0600 Russell L. Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So now I'm intimidated. I'm thinking that perhaps that it would be better to use Mutt with an alias list. Or even: $ for i in `cat recipients` do mail -s Weekly study $i study_this_week_file sleep 2 done I took that approach years ago for sending a message to a number of recipients. It worked pretty well, just need your 'recipients' file to be a file with the addresses, one per line. And you can make a crontab for this too. RLH -- David E. Fox Thanks for letting me [EMAIL PROTECTED]change magnetic patterns [EMAIL PROTECTED] on your hard disk. --- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: First Look at Debian
On Sat, 25 Nov 2006 18:41:24 -0800 Baz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow - I'm getting my first look at Debian on my Thinkpad. I loaded Etch in a virtual machine. I'm happy - I was beginning to lose interest because of Looks like you're having fun :) Anyway, I'm curious as to why you loaded it up in a VM rather than going native? (Other than just for experimentation and testing purposes, of course.) - Baz -- David E. Fox Thanks for letting me [EMAIL PROTECTED]change magnetic patterns [EMAIL PROTECTED] on your hard disk. --- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Dirty spam
On Thu, 23 Nov 2006 15:09:02 +0800 Tim Post [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did it even make a dent? I've been thinking about trying it. Even catching 5% is still 50k less spam e-mails delivered on a larger network .. so I may get a little more use out of it even if its only got a 2/10 catch record. SA with little or no extra configuration (with libdns added in) seems to make a pretty good dent, actually. BUt the spam these days is so voluminous. As an example, there's one place that's sending stock spam emails with every first name one can think of as separate messages, and SA isn't catching those. But my caughtspam file is at present over 9 megabytes, and I usually zero it every couple of days. I don't always get around to downloading the mail from tsoft.com (since it is mostly spam anyway) so I might do a fetchmail maybe once or twice a day like when I get home from work. Last night - nearly six megabytes, probably because I didn't get home from work until late on Tuesday, so didn't manage to check it that day. -- David E. Fox Thanks for letting me [EMAIL PROTECTED]change magnetic patterns [EMAIL PROTECTED] on your hard disk. --- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Dirty spam
On Sun, 19 Nov 2006 03:40:00 +0100 Michelle Konzack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How many peoples have there OWN mailservers? /me does. Actually I cheat a bit. Most (99%) of mail I just have sent to my dsl address - and that gets processed by my mail server which is slightly to the left of me on the floor :). OTOH I have a tsoft.com backup email address but 99% of that is just spam right now. It used to be manageable but the amount of spam has simply gotten out of control in the last couple of weeks. Spamassassin manages to pick out a good portion of it, but not everything. It *used* to catch nearly everything out there. But I had to rebuild my system recently and reinstalled spamassassin along with everything else. One point - one seems to need some other libraries in order to get spamassassin to process most of he spam that it used to process before. In particular, I installed libnet-dns-perl and the result was that spamassassin performed more DNS related tests on the incoming messages that it wasn't doing before. I've also tried installing the fuzzy OCR plugin, to hopefully combat the tide of spammers sending phony pump dump stock spam as attached gifs/jpgs. But that doesn't seem to work. -- David E. Fox Thanks for letting me [EMAIL PROTECTED]change magnetic patterns [EMAIL PROTECTED] on your hard disk. --- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ca-certificates
On Sat, 11 Nov 2006 17:50:50 +0100 Florian Kulzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The post-installation script is here: /var/lib/dpkg/info/ca-certificates.postinst You can try to add set -x at the beginning of this script, right after the comment header. Then run dpkg --configure ca-certificates and the post-installation script I did what you suggested. The first time I ran the reconfigure script it dawned on me that the error may be actually caused by a subprogram called 'update-ca-certificates'. But it is not clear to me why it fails with an error; it seems to chug mightily through what it is doing and seems to get stuck in- side update-certificates on a c_rehash function. It generated nearly 2.5 megabytes of output text just by putting those two 'set -x' items in the two shell scripts. Needless to say, I won't include the output here - it is far too big to send as an attachment. I can upload it somewhere (pastebin?) or just copy out the first and last part (say 20 lines) and include that as an attachment... And over here, /bin/sh is linked to bash. Oh, and nevermind. I think I have the problem nailed down - c_rehash is living in /usr/local/bin and likely that is executed before the canonical one in /usr/bin. Dang it ;() Well, that made it work. Thanks for cluing me into something :). Florian -- David E. Fox Thanks for letting me [EMAIL PROTECTED]change magnetic patterns [EMAIL PROTECTED] on your hard disk. --- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ca-certificates
On Thu, 9 Nov 2006 23:12:16 +0100 Florian Kulzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: can nevertheless run apt-get install -f or aptitude install -f in a terminal and copy/paste the entire output into an email.) Having the same issue here for sometime... rw-r--r-- 1 root root 93040 2006-10-27 10:47 ca-certificates_20061027_all.deb [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/var/cache/apt/archives$ sudo aptitude install -f ca-certificates_20061027_all.deb Password: Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree... Done Reading extended state information Initializing package states... Done Reading task descriptions... Done Building tag database... Done Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched ca-certificates_20061027_all.deb The following packages have been kept back: gdm libxalan2-java libxerces2-java 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 3 not upgraded. Need to get 0B of archives. After unpacking 0B will be used. Setting up ca-certificates (20061027) ... Updating certificates in /etc/ssl/certsdpkg: error processing ca-certificates (--configure): subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 126 Errors were encountered while processing: ca-certificates E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) A package failed to install. Trying to recover: Setting up ca-certificates (20061027) ... Updating certificates in /etc/ssl/certsdpkg: error processing ca-certificates (--configure): subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 126 Errors were encountered while processing: ca-certificates [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/var/cache/apt/archives$ -- David E. Fox Thanks for letting me [EMAIL PROTECTED]change magnetic patterns [EMAIL PROTECTED] on your hard disk. --- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED] fsck! On boot it dies... yet drive okay?!?
On Mon, 30 Oct 2006 06:11:40 +0100 Michael Bonert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On booting my Debian system I get something like: - [sbin/fsck.ext3 (1) -- /mnt/mdk] fsck.ext3 -a -C0 /dev/hda11 /dev/hda11: clean, 5765/130048 files, 1425960/2596497 blocks OK, so ext3 sees /dev/hda11 and it's an ext3 filesystem should be OK, as long as it is mounted as such in /etc/fstab. Reiserfs super block in block 16 on 0x309 of format 3.6 with standard journal Blocks (total/free): 200800/192582 by 4096 bytes. That's drive /dev/hda9 Filesystem clear. Reiserfs super block in block 16 on 0x30a of format 3.6 with standard journal Blocks (total/free): 200800/192582 by 4096 bytes. And here is /dev/hda10. Filesystem clear. fsck died with exit status 9 File system check failed. A log is being saved in /var/log/fsck/checkfs if that location is writable. Now that is odd. If it is /dev/hda10 that is failing the fsck - and it's not clear that it is, then that could be the problem. But the log implies that partitions 9 and 10 are good. If I remove the drive '/dev/hda11' from the '/etc/fstab' Debian complains about '/dev/hda10'. Somehow I don't think hda11 is the problem - since it is ext3 and your prior fsck suggests that it should be working. In any case, I think the error is related to the '/etc/fstab' file somehow. I read somewhere that the order of the entries in the fstab file matter-- how though was not explained. That's a possibility, since you indicate later on in the email the partition in question used to be reiserfs and is now something else. Of course, if you have put 'reiserfs' as the partition's file system type in /etc/fstab, that easily could be a cause for trouble. Simply replace the 'reiserfs' with the appropriate filesystem type and save quit /etc/fstab. -- David E. Fox Thanks for letting me [EMAIL PROTECTED]change magnetic patterns [EMAIL PROTECTED] on your hard disk. --- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Gourmet Canned Butter and Canned Cheese
On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 18:23:01 -0700 Steven Cyros [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Food Supplier, We are pleased to announce that high quality Canned Butter from New Zealand and Kraft Canned Cheese from Australia are now available for wholesale and retail purchase in the US. He must have read the how do you grow broccoli thread. gdr :) -- David E. Fox Thanks for letting me [EMAIL PROTECTED]change magnetic patterns [EMAIL PROTECTED] on your hard disk. --- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: a good Video cut scale program?
On Sat, 14 Oct 2006 23:27:49 -0400 Scott Lair [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought kino wanted dv format. Generally the type that is captured directly from mini-dv cameras. Although I have not tried any other formats with it. Actually, I don't have a DV camera, but a still one that has video as an addon. Later on, I was able to convert the camera files into mp4 with avidemux, as well as do some simple edits. -- David E. Fox Thanks for letting me [EMAIL PROTECTED]change magnetic patterns [EMAIL PROTECTED] on your hard disk. --- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: a good Video cut scale program?
On Wed, 13 Sep 2006 21:29:10 -0400 Scott Lair [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: could try ffmpeg to convert to dv format which kino will recognize. I think i've done this with mpeg4 videos from my still/motion camera. I've used mencoder successfully from time to time to take a few videos from the camera (my Kodak EasyShare C310, does video, but no audio recording) to convert those files (which come up in .mov format) to mp4, with about a 25% space savings on average, but then I can't edit them with kino. kino expects quicktime format, which I thought that the .mov file was already. I wasn't aware that ffmpeg would do the conversion to digital video, and so I tried it on the sample files that I have, and find this to not be successful. For instance: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/tmp$ tcprobe -i chrisdriving1.mp4 [tcprobe] RIFF data, AVI video [avilib] V: 20.000 fps, codec=FMP4, frames=3965, width=800, height=600 [tcprobe] summary for chrisdriving1.mp4, (*) = not default, 0 = not detected import frame size: -g 800x600 [720x576] (*) frame rate: -f 20.000 [25.000] frc=0 (*) no audio track: use null import module for audio length: 3965 frames, frame_time=50 msec, duration=0:03:18.250 then: Stream #0.0: Video: dvvideo, yuv420p, 800x600, q=2-31, 200 kb/s, 25.00 fps(c) Stream mapping: Stream #0.0 - #0.0 [dv @ 0xb7ee6230]Can't initialize DV format! Make sure that you supply exactly two streams: video: 25fps or 29.97fps, audio: 2ch/48Khz/PCM (50Mbps allows an optional second audio stream) Could not write header for output file #0 (incorrect codec parameters ?) Seems that it expects an audio track, but it's not letting me know how to not provide one. Tests on a sample taken from the camera (without any prior conversion) show that I can convert the file to a dv format with: ffmpeg -i camerafile -target ntsc-dv test.dv (The ntsc portion is not even mentioned in the manual page that I can see.) But kino tells me that this is not a digital video file, and the (default) file size is ridiculously large -- 170 megabytes for a 30 second video clip. Oddly enough, adding 'maxrate' does not affect the size of the encoded video. -- David E. Fox Thanks for letting me [EMAIL PROTECTED]change magnetic patterns [EMAIL PROTECTED] on your hard disk. --- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
broken /var
had a big problem this afternoon - had some serious issues with the reiserfs on /dev/hda1 (an oldish 1.6 gig maxtor), ended up not being able to fsck it to an orderly state. Had to redo the whole fs, (should have made a backup) and grab a /var from a ubuntu disk. Obviously, ubuntu is not debian, but their /var structure should be similar enough that I can fix the problems after the fact. 2 major problems remain: using postfix, this has been working for years, ran postfix check to recreate the missing directories, and my machine (m206-157.dsl.tsoft.com) is getting the mail fine. I just can't *send* mail. Postfix tells me that there is an unknown transport for the mail I try to send, and holds it in the queue. The other issue - I no longer have a working repository for dpkg describing what files are installed. Is there a way to recreate it without a reinstall? I noticed that aptitude upgrade was fetching down a number of things, but as I don't know what it's upgrading *from* I don't know if I can trust it. Another thing - aptitude update was going very slowly and experiencing connection time outs periodically during the execution, so I don't think I can trust it. On the other hand, dpkg --get-selections gives me a number of things, but honestly I think those where what Ubuntu put there? Obviously, that is not what I want. I'm hoping to not have to reinstall this thing :). -- David E. Fox Thanks for letting me [EMAIL PROTECTED]change magnetic patterns [EMAIL PROTECTED] on your hard disk. --- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: broken /var
On Wed, 11 Oct 2006 14:54:01 +0200 Johannes Wiedersich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've also had some issues with reiserfs and have always sticked to ext3 ever since. I guess the advantages of reiserfs don't warrant experiments on important data. ext3 is rock solid on debian. YMMV. Well, I had a dodgy disk too. I switched the formatting of it to ext2 for now (switching to ext3 now is trivial). I pulled out some of my remaining hair :), and managed to fix the postfix issue. after a couple of problems (ended up having to run postfix check a number of times, make sure all the perms were correct, and comment out a few lines in the postfix script relating to usr/lib/zoneinfo). /var has all variable data of your system except configuration files. Ie. the data on /var depends on your system and cannot be just copied from ubuntu. I figured as much. log files and such are trivial, they'll be written over. Postfix now seems to work OK. I now need to recover mysql (as I only use it for Amarok, it should be easy enough to rebuild that database), and get the dpkg fixed. For some help to get from here, see http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-recover-status and the part about recovering from lost /var further down that page. I took a look at that page, and the link for var.tar.gz seems to point to a link that doesn't contain that content. The two tar files on the site aren't what is expected. snapshots of /etc and recovering the package selection data from /etc/ and /usr/share/doc. What I'll probably end up having to do is to reinstall from latest etch. OTOH, how to recover the package selection data? I gather that (more or less) every file in /usr/share/doc translates somehow into a debian package, right? Johannes -- David E. Fox Thanks for letting me [EMAIL PROTECTED]change magnetic patterns [EMAIL PROTECTED] on your hard disk. --- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: strange perm/ownership issue for kde/konqueror cache files
On Sat, 7 Oct 2006 07:13:20 +0100 Alan Chandler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Saturday 07 October 2006 00:37, David E. Fox wrote: OK, but now how to remove 'c' and 'e', or remake them? run fsck? Eventually :) I did just that. Went into 'telinit 1', unmounted /home, ran fsck.reiserfs, it saw a few inconsistencies that could be fixed using --fix-fixable, so I got to trying that next, still haven't been able to clear out the strange files. I haven't tried to rebuild the tree, maybe that's the next thing to do? I think there's a reiserfs debug tool but I have never before tried to use it. Maybe backing up and rebuilding the fs is the next thing to do, as well. -- Alan Chandler http://www.chandlerfamily.org.uk -- David E. Fox Thanks for letting me [EMAIL PROTECTED]change magnetic patterns [EMAIL PROTECTED] on your hard disk. --- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Why linux memory management isn't clever, always hold large memroy?
On Sun, 8 Oct 2006 11:51:46 +0800 bowen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: a little memory). After a long time, the mysql load process complete and I restart the mysqld daemon, but the memory does still hold large memory. How much does mysqld take up now? From what you've said here it would seem that linus is duing the right thing. It's caching a great deal of RAM in the hopes that it would be reused again. If not, then the memory should be reallocated to something else (disk buffers, which are very low at the moment) so long as there is a demand for it. Otherwise, the memory is just being wasted. Why linux does not release the memory again ? Is there any way that I can free the memory without reboot machine? It'll reallocate itself as soon as you request the kernel do something else with the memory, such as loading firefox or something. -- David E. Fox Thanks for letting me [EMAIL PROTECTED]change magnetic patterns [EMAIL PROTECTED] on your hard disk. --- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: strange perm/ownership issue for kde/konqueror cache files
On Sat, 7 Oct 2006 12:53:04 -0700 David E. Fox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: able to clear out the strange files. I haven't tried to rebuild the tree, maybe that's the next thing to do? I bit the bullet, so to speak, and I went again to telinit 1, unmounted the /home filesystem, and told reiserfs to rebuild the tree. It did manage to put some stuff in lost+found, but still, the same files in the kde cache directory tree are still there, without so much as an inode (checked it with ls -li, too), permissions, size, everything except the file name are all '?' characters still. On the other hand, I haven't observed kio_http_cache_cleaner eating up all RAM as it tried to do before, which is good. -- David E. Fox Thanks for letting me [EMAIL PROTECTED]change magnetic patterns [EMAIL PROTECTED] on your hard disk. --- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
strange perm/ownership issue for kde/konqueror cache files
I've not seen this behavior before. Just a while ago, I was surfing as usual with konqueror, on an etch system, and closed konqueror. After a while, I noticed that the memory usage was skyrocketing, and so I ran 'top'. There was a process that runs (periodically, I suppose) called kio_http_cache_cleaner, and it was (according to top) consuming nearly 500 megs of virtual memory. I watched it for a short time, thinking how odd this was, so I decided to kill the process from within top. That part worked, but it seems to have left soem of my cache files in an inconsistent state. The permissions and other information on the files in some cases are extremely odd: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/.kde/cache-localhost/http$ ls -l total 51 drwx-- 2 dfox dfox 160 2006-10-06 16:00 0 drwx-- 2 dfox dfox 21280 2006-10-06 16:06 a drwx-- 2 dfox dfox 128 2006-10-06 14:01 b ?- ? ???? c -rw--- 1 dfox dfox 0 2006-10-06 15:54 cleaned drwx-- 2 dfox dfox 240 2006-10-06 15:56 d ?- ? ???? e I go inside 'a', for instance: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/.kde/cache-localhost/http/a$ ls -l | head -10 total 300 -rw-r--r-- 1 dfox dfox 1532 2006-10-05 18:53 ? ?? ?? warrenreports.tpmcafe.com_themes_tpmcafe_layout.css_38fa498a ?- ? ? ? ?? warrenreports.tpmcafe.com_themes_tpmcafe_layout.css_38fa498a ?- ? ? ? ?? warrenreports.tpmcafe.com_themes_tpmcafe_layout.css_38fa498a ?- ? ? ? ?? warrenreports.tpmcafe.com_themes_tpmcafe_layout.css_38fa498a ?- ? ? ? ?? warrenreports.tpmcafe.com_themes_tpmcafe_layout.css_38fa498a ?- ? ? ? ?? warrenreports.tpmcafe.com_themes_tpmcafe_layout.css_38fa498a -rw-r--r-- 1 dfox dfox 16982 2006-10-06 10:42 www.aplusdev.org_APlusRefV2_3.html_6b32489c -rw-r--r-- 1 dfox dfox 3127 2006-10-06 10:36 www.aplusdev.org_ARindexindex.html_26caa7f6 -rw-r--r-- 1 dfox dfox188 2006-10-06 10:36 www.aplusdev.org_Images_blank.gif_4c149b36 -rw-r--r-- 1 dfox dfox 170246 2006-10-06 10:44 www.aplusdev.org_keyboard.html_19c3a676 I somehow can't get that to wrap right, but all the affected files have a single ?---for their permission field, and ? for all the other fields that ls normally outputs. If I try to remove a file (even as root) I get an error cannot lstat blah : No such file or directory. If I goto the same site I visited yesterday(f.e., warrenreports), as expected, I get new content in the same directory I was in (.kde/cache-localhost/http/a, although I would have expected the content to go under 'w'). Other websites seem to be in the right place, alphabetically, at around the same time I had killed the errant cache cleaner process. Now what? I guess I could just try and empty the cache, but am not sure this would work, because some of the files are not removable. (later) That helped some, and it seems that some of the errant files are no longer there, but still some directories are inaccessible: otal 18 drwx-- 2 dfox dfox48 2006-10-06 16:34 0 drwx-- 2 dfox dfox 18824 2006-10-06 16:34 a drwx-- 2 dfox dfox48 2006-10-06 16:34 b ?- ? ???? c -rw--- 1 dfox dfox 0 2006-10-06 16:28 cleaned drwx-- 2 dfox dfox48 2006-10-06 16:34 d ?- ? ???? e OK, but now how to remove 'c' and 'e', or remake them? David E. Fox Thanks for letting me [EMAIL PROTECTED]change magnetic patterns [EMAIL PROTECTED] on your hard disk. --- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: gxine and real on BBC radio
On Tue, 3 Oct 2006 21:44:48 -0700 (PDT) libre fan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (someone else wrote the following, I think): But the w32codecs aren't free (libre) either. The difference is I can use a couple of codecs instead of using a full application. But you need w32codecs to be able to do the *rm / *smil formats that BBC radio offers, I would think. Also you need 'cooklib' (libcook.so.*) which I believe is the realaudio format library. Have your tired to capture a stream with Mplayer on BBC4? How do you do this? The only URL I can copy is one starting with http:// this isn't the Normally, I would use mplayer this way, but using the -ao (audio out) option to send it to a file rather than the speaker. For instance mplayer -ao pcm:file=test.wav url You can also use -dumpaudio but that saves in an internal dump file format that you need to use mplayer again to turn it into something that you can actually play somewhere else, such as mp3 for your mp3 player or wav for burning to a cd that you can play in a cd player. For audio only you probably want something like: mplayer -vo null -vc dummy -ao pcm:file=test.wav url As far as trying to record bbc4, I have tried a few times to record programs (such as hitchhiker's guide that was on a while ago) but ended up with the audio screwed up about 20 minutes into the show when I listened to it later. I believe this still happens with bbc4 - but I haven't heard it occuring with other places. I had to d/l the eps from Usenet. Also, kmplayer is another alternative to gxine front end (as is Amarok and so forth). OTOH, kmplayer comes with a number of links for playing audio, and so does gxine. Would be better if one or the other had all these bookmarks preloaded... right protocol, is it? The BBC doesn't want you to record anything although they offer some programms that can be saved on your HD. Maybe not. I wonder if there's something that gets slipped in the streams that screw up the recording? libre fan -- David E. Fox Thanks for letting me [EMAIL PROTECTED]change magnetic patterns [EMAIL PROTECTED] on your hard disk. --- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (end of) Development and documentation in Debian
On Mon, 02 Oct 2006 16:37:14 -0700 Steve Lamb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sure, in both cases one can't just take the books, change the author name and viola, have a new book. But that isn't the same as being considered the author as neither book list the true author. Of course those are simple Harlequin (romance novels) have been doing that for quite sometime :). -- David E. Fox Thanks for letting me [EMAIL PROTECTED]change magnetic patterns [EMAIL PROTECTED] on your hard disk. --- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MOBILE PHONES AT VERY LOW PRICE OFFER. (reporting list spam)
On Fri, 29 Sep 2006 00:33:12 -0500 Seth Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My point was that this law, sadly, establishes the principle that spamming is legal, as long as you abide by the rules. There is no In a way, yes. But it also can be viewed as these types of spam are wrong. Drinking is OK, so long as you don't drive while under the influence, and you don't do it under 21, or you don't let other people under 21 do it. Alcohol sellers are able to sell it under certain provisions, but if they sell to minors, the feds'll come over and board up the business, or at least they should. requirement to opt in and they can spam you until you opt out. I believe you are right that most spam violates this law, but what good is No opt-in requirement is of course a fatal flaw. With verifiable opt-in of course, it is no longer spam and is now a mailing list. it if no one will enforce it? Worse yet, spammers have the option to continue spamming legally. -- Seth Goodman -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- David E. Fox Thanks for letting me [EMAIL PROTECTED]change magnetic patterns [EMAIL PROTECTED] on your hard disk. --- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MOBILE PHONES AT VERY LOW PRICE OFFER. (reporting list spam)
On Thu, 28 Sep 2006 04:47:39 -0500 Seth Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Spamming activities that are now illegal in the U.S.: sending UBE to electronically harvested addresses, forging headers, deceptive subject 99% of the spam (at least) violates one or more of those restrictions. Seth Goodman -- David E. Fox Thanks for letting me [EMAIL PROTECTED]change magnetic patterns [EMAIL PROTECTED] on your hard disk. --- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: debian forum
On Fri, 22 Sep 2006 20:22:21 +0300 Andrei Popescu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe you could host a debian-offtopic list. Maybe there is some interest for that :) hell come on over to [EMAIL PROTECTED] We con't care if yuu don't run Mandrake :). http://mandrakeot.mdw1982.com/ :) -- David E. Fox Thanks for letting me [EMAIL PROTECTED]change magnetic patterns [EMAIL PROTECTED] on your hard disk. --- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: last attempt with pan newsreader
On Sat, 23 Sep 2006 01:44:06 + (UTC) Arthur Marsh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone persisted with the pan newsreader. I'm about to ditch it after a few reportbug submissions /-: for problems including lockups. What version/ distribution? Pan worked OK here, but the version that's in debian now would lock up reading some largish newsgroups - it's memory requirements are tremendous. The more recent beta builds (they release weekly snapshots on pan2.rebelbase.com) may work better for you. They are not that difficult to build on etch. Arthur. -- David E. Fox Thanks for letting me [EMAIL PROTECTED]change magnetic patterns [EMAIL PROTECTED] on your hard disk. --- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Documentary from BBC World over FOSS and Development
On Wed, 20 Sep 2006 12:58:21 +0200 Michelle Konzack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had written already to Apdip (per Mail and Post) and ask, whether I can get the Video in PAL and a CD-fillig Bitstream... Michelle, you might try converting the video itself. It probably can't improve the video quality any, but at least you can convert the format from whatever they're using to PAL. Have you ever uesd transcode, for instance? Michelle Konzack -- David E. Fox Thanks for letting me [EMAIL PROTECTED]change magnetic patterns [EMAIL PROTECTED] on your hard disk. --- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (no subject)
On Tue, 19 Sep 2006 13:18:43 + operator [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Could someone recommend a substitute for k3b? cdrecord? :) Well, command line does work, but maybe it's not the best way to do it, it depends on your experience level. From experience, k3b is mostly working 100% of the time now, but that wasn't always the case. I've used it (and other stuff) off and on for about 2 years - but lately (I run Etch, by the way) k3b has been solid enough to use for all my cd burning, even iso's (which are pretty easy to do), mp3s, flacs, and so forth. Others you might try include gcombust (gtk based), and cdbakeoven. xcdroast is also there, but I find the interface pretty clunky. -- David E. Fox Thanks for letting me [EMAIL PROTECTED]change magnetic patterns [EMAIL PROTECTED] on your hard disk. --- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (no subject)
On Thu, 21 Sep 2006 12:16:11 +1000 M-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Isn't cdrecord the reason that k3b doesn't work? I have found it so, because cdrecord finds my external USB DVD dual layer burner and then vanishes it. That was in Sarge, haven't tried it in Etch yet. In my experience, I don't think the problem is with cdrecord - I've used it extensively when k3b didn't work, or I didn't trust the graphical tools - which all / most use cdrecord to do the actual burning. On the other hand, I haven't used cdrecord to write DDVs with on Debian - I just use growisofs from the command line for that - with the exception of using k3b from time to time to make dvd archives (backups). -- David E. Fox Thanks for letting me [EMAIL PROTECTED]change magnetic patterns [EMAIL PROTECTED] on your hard disk. --- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Linux Will Get Buried (Off)
On Wed, 13 Sep 2006 11:24:40 -0700 K. Richard Pixley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The linux market hasn't really ever competed in those markets. There aren't any serious photography apps, video editing apps, etc. What will hurt linux in the market place is DRM. I can play dvd's on my mac. I can't on most out-of-the-box linux distributions. That's only (mostly) because the installation media (whatever your distro) can't bring in libdvdcss. Apple can ship the equivalent because whatever they use for that function is something you'll not likely ever see the source code for. Of course, many Linux users (as true with Apple users as well) aren't all that interested in whatever libdvdcss does, but just want to be able to play DVDs on their box. I'm just a newbie to digital photograhy, but I've looked at iphoto a bit and decided I didn't really like it. I have (imho) better software for display, management, and alteration of digital photographs. drm *might* make things easier for the Applo end-user but I believe that it will hinder much more than it will help. Itunes will be more of a platform that exists for users to buy music and less a platform for people to manage it. -- David E. Fox Thanks for letting me [EMAIL PROTECTED]change magnetic patterns [EMAIL PROTECTED] on your hard disk. --- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mounting a dvdrw
On Thu, 14 Sep 2006 11:14:18 -0700 (PDT) Fred J. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: does the following change the situation *** [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ growisofs -Z /dev/hdd -R -J myPc Executing 'mkisofs -R -J myPc | builtin_dd of=/dev/hdd obs=32k seek=0' INFO: ISO-8859-1 character encoding detected by locale settings. Assuming ISO-8859-1 encoded filenames on source filesystem, use -input-charset to override. OK, so you're burning an image or something to a blank dvdrw. [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ ls /dev/hdd /dev/hdd [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ where is the file? There isn't one. Not really. In a sense, the 'file' is whatever you burnt prior to mounting it, which could be an iso image, a copy of a movie, a bunch of data files, what have you. In order to see the files, you need to mount the device, either manually or as a configurable option if you use a graphical window manager such as KDE/Gnome. Once mounted, you can cd into the mount point (typcically /media/cdrom1 or /media/cdrom0) and look for the files. Oh, and btw, don't top post and don't forget to trim your replies. I'm not complaining specifically about this post but the last few posts have consisted of 1 line responses followed by the entire quoted text of the prior reply. -- David E. Fox Thanks for letting me [EMAIL PROTECTED]change magnetic patterns [EMAIL PROTECTED] on your hard disk. --- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
dri disabled on Etch / Xorg
I'm running Etch, latest Xorg. DRI has been working fine for sometime, up until just recently. Seems that it is disabled somehow, and I don't know how to get it back :(. There is a line in my recent Xorg.0.log file: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/var/log$ grep DRI Xorg.0.log (II) Loading extension XFree86-DRI (EE) MGA(0): [drm] DRIScreenInit failed. Disabling DRI. I'm using a Matrox G450 card. There was a recent workaround that I employed during the transition from Xorg 6.9 to 7.0, which also disabled DRI, but the following workaround enabled it: Section Device Identifier Matrox Graphics, Inc. MGA G450 AGP Driver mga BusID PCI:1:0:0 Option OldDmaInit true EndSection i.e., adding the line setting option oldDMAInit to true works around the problem - and this sufficed for a while, but no longer. It doesn't seem to make any difference now whether that option is set or unset. -- David E. Fox Thanks for letting me [EMAIL PROTECTED]change magnetic patterns [EMAIL PROTECTED] on your hard disk. --- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: An elementary question about execution permissions
On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 22:58:18 +0200 Michelle Konzack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And NO, Cecile is not in tose list! :-(=) I had to do this, since Cecile (my cat) had several times rebootet my computer. (I have configured my fvwm with keyboard support) The trick is to use su to switch to the cat user prior to the cat going over the keyboard :).; -- David E. Fox Thanks for letting me [EMAIL PROTECTED]change magnetic patterns [EMAIL PROTECTED] on your hard disk. --- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: USB stick
On Mon, 4 Sep 2006 20:27:05 +0100
Alan Chandler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
# Portable Flash Storage
BUS==usb, SYSFS{product}==JUMPDRIVE ELITE, KERNEL==sd?1,
NAME=flash,
SYMLINK=jumpdrive flash
BUS==usb, SYSFS{product}==USB DISK 2.0, KERNEL==sd?1, NAME=flash ,
SYMLINK=integral_storage flash
Good, but I don't remember having to write any rules. It more or less
works on etch. Less lately, because the d*mn write tab broke off just
today on my sandisk 1 gb and will have to send it back to them ;(.
KDE notices it, and asks what I wish to do - will mount it automatically
Automount works in etch as well. I had to upgrade the kernel from
2.6.12 to 2.6-15-7 in order for the card to be recognized in my no-name
USB something-in-1 card reader. Prior to the upgrade, it would act as
if there wasn't a recognizable superblock in /dev/sdd1. Sincd sarge
uses 2.6.8 (IIRC), this might pose a problem.
There were some issues where the card mounted with wrong permissions,
but that seems to be fixed now. (Still, because of the broken tab, I
can't write anything to the card now.)
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Re: Suggestion for offtopic-list
On Wed, 23 Aug 2006 22:04:09 +0300 Andrei Popescu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why not simply create a debian-offtopic list? Why not join the fray at the Mandrake (Mandriva) Off topic list) we need some new victims ^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H list members The signup address is at http://mandrakeot.mdw1982.com/ and you dont even have to be mandrake/mandriva oriented :) Andrei -- David E. Fox Thanks for letting me [EMAIL PROTECTED]change magnetic patterns [EMAIL PROTECTED] on your hard disk. --- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to check ink level on HP Deskjet 5500
On Mon, 14 Aug 2006 18:40:41 -0700 Marc Shapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I checked hplip (with apt-cache show) and it looks like it does the kind of things that I need, but it also says to use hpoj for parallel I am presently building the latest hplip but not sure whether I need it. According to the linuxprinting page, it recommends using hpijs, which I have installed, and have the printer working. (Second hand HP Photosmart P1218, color inkjet). I have it working well enough, but don't seem to have the extra goodies suggested in the thread, such as ink level monitoring and so forth. Marc Shapiro -- David E. Fox Thanks for letting me [EMAIL PROTECTED]change magnetic patterns [EMAIL PROTECTED] on your hard disk. --- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to check ink level on HP Deskjet 5500
On Tue, 15 Aug 2006 11:20:19 -0700 Marc Shapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: CORRECTION: I just found hp-toolbox, which has a 'Supplies' tab showing the installed cartridges and should have the ink levels. But it does There's also hp-levels, but on this printer (Photosmart 1218), it tells me I have approximately 0% of ink. I *hope* I have more than that. Actually, the other utility I tried (hp-info) gave a lot of detailed info about the printer, and tells me that the tri-color cartridge is running low on ink, which I believe, based on prior teting (photos and the CUPS printer test page, which prints all nice colors save for cyan). Previously, I printed a nice color picture taken from Picn*x 15, very nice quality, even given that the printer was low on ink (used gimp). But after installing hplip from the etch repositories (there were issues with the source tarball, so I deleted that install) and running the toolbox tells me that there are no supported printers. It asks me to run the CUPS administrator, which I did, only to find out that foomatic-rip is missing! And it was *just there*! [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ locate foomatic-rip /usr/bin/foomatic-rip /usr/lib/cups/filter/foomatic-rip /usr/lib/ppr/interfaces/foomatic-rip /usr/lib/ppr/lib/foomatic-rip /usr/share/man/man1/foomatic-rip.1.gz rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 209590 2006-07-12 17:21 /usr/bin/foomatic-rip ls: /usr/lib/cups/filter/foomatic-rip: No such file or directory lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 25 2006-07-29 21:19 /usr/lib/ppr/interfaces/foomatic-rip - ../../../bin/foomatic-rip lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 25 2006-07-29 21:19 /usr/lib/ppr/lib/foomatic-rip - ../../../bin/foomatic-rip -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3063 2006-07-12 17:21 /usr/share/man/man1/foomatic-rip.1.gz OK, so it's missing in 3 out of 4 places. Is it safe to simply copy the file (or symlink it) from /usr/bin to /usr/lib/cups/filter? I can't (easily) tell offhand what made the file go away. ;( Also, the cups administrator is tending to freeze midway through the setup :(. Marc Shapiro -- David E. Fox Thanks for letting me [EMAIL PROTECTED]change magnetic patterns [EMAIL PROTECTED] on your hard disk. --- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: /etc/cron.daily/man-db: /var/cache/man: Permission denied
On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 03:16:08 +0200 Micha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: /etc/cron.daily/man-db: find: /var/cache/man: Permission denied Cron likely runs with no (or low level) permissions. /var is mounted as: /dev/hda10 on /var type ext2 (rw,nosuid,nodev,errors=remount-ro) Hmm. nosuid on mounts may just not honor the set user id for executables. On the other hand, the manual page tells me that nosuid makes it ignore suid bits. (see man mount). So, semantically, those permissions are just rwxr-x-r-x, and even if yuur user is in the 'root' group, he cannot view the directory contents (because 'x' in a directory means permission to enter view the contents). First, try mounting /var without the nosuid part. The permissions are: drwxr-xr-t 17 root root 4.0K 2006-04-02 03:00 /var drwxrwxr-x 26 root root 4.0K 2006-08-12 20:49 /var/cache/ drwxr-sr-x 16 man root 4.0K 2006-08-18 00:06 /var/cache/man OK, that's the same permissions that are set on my 'etch' box. And, even though 'dfox' is not a member of the root or man groups, user dfox (that's me) can run 'find man' in /var/cache/, which lists all subdirectories underneath man, or find . inside man, which lists a number of directories where local man pages are kept (that's what the directory is for, by the way). Even so, the permisions would seem correct (the third r-x is other, and since I am not a man :) or a root, I am an other, and this is all good, because I can view files (-r) or go into the directorty (-x) but an unable to write anything therein. drwxr-xr-x 34 root root 4.0K 2006-05-28 13:00 man/ on all levels. - Which seems a little bit weird to me; but /var/cache/man seems to have been installed by package man-db, too. All my man directories (under /var/cache/man) are set like: drwxr-sr-x 2 man root 48 2005-11-12 05:24 cat1 drwxr-sr-x 2 man root 48 2005-11-12 05:24 cat2 drwxr-sr-x 2 man root 48 2005-11-12 05:24 cat3 drwxr-sr-x 2 man root 48 2005-11-12 05:24 cat4 drwxr-sr-x 2 man root 48 2006-05-07 06:30 cat5 I don't see that the system is working, for one - see the dates on those directories? The way this ought to work (and I thought it did) was for example, a hypothetical user looks at a frequently used man page (like man ls). Since it takes more time to process the man page than display it, a local copy is in /var/cache/man/appropriate sect4ion (in this case, cat1) for later perusal. Man would see that a processed page was in the appropriate place, and display it. After a time, the old entries in those cache directories would be deleted. But, I have 0 bytes in all directories, and an overall usage of 1464K, because of a large index.db. (That file was changed 2 days ago.) -- David E. Fox Thanks for letting me [EMAIL PROTECTED]change magnetic patterns [EMAIL PROTECTED] on your hard disk. --- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: new (kind of) USB printer, debian etch
On Sun, 13 Aug 2006 21:33:48 -0700 David E. Fox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've added another printer in the past (a Canon BJC-250) which has worked for quite a while on various flavors of Linux, including presently on Debian Etch. I use the parallel interface on that prniter OK. (Although recently, I experienced an odd hang when trying to access OK, ignore this. Printer seems to be working OK. I had overlooked two things - a need to install hpijs (the driver recommends using it, I hadn't installed it) and secondly, the hang was a popup window asking for a password and user name, and it was hiding beneath the main window. -- David E. Fox Thanks for letting me [EMAIL PROTECTED]change magnetic patterns [EMAIL PROTECTED] on your hard disk. --- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
new (kind of) USB printer, debian etch
I just obtained a used HP Photosmart 1218 inkjet printer, and according to linuxprinting.org the printer is supposed to be able to work with linux perfectly. I've added another printer in the past (a Canon BJC-250) which has worked for quite a while on various flavors of Linux, including presently on Debian Etch. I use the parallel interface on that prniter OK. (Although recently, I experienced an odd hang when trying to access this printer, and thanks to recent postings on the list, I found the solution was to comment out a line in /etc/cups/cupsd.conf that says to listen on a socket in /var/run/cups. Commenting out that line and restarting the cups system allows me to print normally. On the other hand, I plugged in this new printer (intending to use USB) and can't get past the setup. Both cups and kDE's print wizard correctly identify the printer; the latter allows me to go as far as test, at which point it hangs, and cannot be closed except by ctrl-alt-esc. Using the cups admistration tool (pointing $browser to localhost:631) I can't do anything. The printer is detected all right on the USB cable, but if I try to add anything, it just hangs. I then notice a series of cups-related processes (cups-driverd for instance) and these processes just consume CPU resources and have to be killed. I'm thinking that this current behavior is somehow related to the original hangs that I experienced yesterday after trying to print a document (on the Canon, naturally). If they aren't related, is it related to specifically cups packages in debian etch (my system was just aptitude upgraded yesterday morning) or would it be something else? -- David E. Fox Thanks for letting me [EMAIL PROTECTED]change magnetic patterns [EMAIL PROTECTED] on your hard disk. --- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: cdrecord wihout SUID
On Mon, 07 Aug 2006 13:39:43 -0600 Glenn English [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I fought with this for a while and found the real problem to be permissions on the /dev file. etch too here :) As I understand the situation, whether a user is able to use the CD device to write (reliably, that is) is dependent on the kernel you use, and with more recent kernels, it has become more problematic to do so (apparently because of an inability as a user to gain access to certain hardware things, like buffers and such), rather than simply a device access issue. I burn CDs all the time as a regular user, and it is indeed suid root here. At least in Debian -land this is the case, and it's been a while since I ran cdrecord on non-Debian systems. To the OP - you can, I suppose, chmod the /usr/bin/cdrecord to regular non-suid (chmod 750 /usr/bin/cdrecord). I notice the permissions here for it are -rwsr-xr-- implying that others can read the binary, but not execute it. (2754 in #s). OTOH, you may be coastering your CD in the process if you do this (as a user, that is). Try it on a CD-RW. It may be that it's just more speed sensitive than before, not certain. Glenn English [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- David E. Fox Thanks for letting me [EMAIL PROTECTED]change magnetic patterns [EMAIL PROTECTED] on your hard disk. --- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: cdrecord wihout SUID
On Tue, 08 Aug 2006 03:13:23 GMT s. keeling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (0) heretic /home/keeling_ all `which cdrecord` -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 133 2005-01-09 09:55 /usr/bin/cdrecord* It's kernel-dependent, is it not? I mean, maybe you can do this in 2.6.8 (sarge defautl kernel) but not in later ones. As the other poster said, it has to do supposedly with priviieged IOCTLs and kernel-level things. I'm running etch (kernel 2.6.15.1-k7 actually). People running 2.4.x may not have to have this requirement of cdrecord to be run suid root either. -- David E. Fox Thanks for letting me [EMAIL PROTECTED]change magnetic patterns [EMAIL PROTECTED] on your hard disk. --- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: cdrecord wihout SUID
On Tue, 8 Aug 2006 16:55:54 -0600 Dwayne C. Litzenberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Also be CAREFUL. On my system, /usr/bin/cdrecord is a SHELL SCRIPT, and SUID-root shell scripts are a big security hole, IIRC. You probably want to set the permissions on /usr/bin/cdrecord.mmap. Good points. OTOH, I always thought that suid on shell scripts was just unsupported (i.e., script is run without extra permissions by the kernel). Also, this script (and /usr/bin/cdrecord is a script here as well) it only chooses the proper cdrecord to run, based on the kernel version (cdrecord.shm for kernels 2.0 2.2, and cdrecord.mmap for others). So the effective permissions are on the cdrecord.mmap executable. Dwayne C. Litzenberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- David E. Fox Thanks for letting me [EMAIL PROTECTED]change magnetic patterns [EMAIL PROTECTED] on your hard disk. --- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: convert rm files to wav files
On Tue, 8 Aug 2006 01:42:57 -0400 Kamaraju Kusumanchi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How can I convert a .rm (RealMedia) file to a .wav file so that I curn burn it in an audio CD? Using Etch/testing. If you have the right codecs, I'd use mplayer -ao pcm:file=name of wav file realmedia file. raju -- David E. Fox Thanks for letting me [EMAIL PROTECTED]change magnetic patterns [EMAIL PROTECTED] on your hard disk. --- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sony digital camera
On Mon, 17 Jul 2006 00:52:58 -0400 H.S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: $ apt-cache show digikam I am using digikam in KDE and have successfully used Canon A520 and G5 with it. I think I might have used Sony Cybershot S40 with it, but I cannot be sure about that :( I'm using it as well (with a Kodak C310) and it works mostly. Soemtimes it'll get stuck, seems to lock up sometimes when reading from the camera directly. I also tried gwenview, but I couldn't make it work as well with this camera. Automounting directly within KDE seems to want to work, but doesn't -- connecting the camera brings a popup Konqueror window, with a C310 folder, but then it gets stuck in that it keeps looping the directories (it'll go /media/camera/camera/camera/... each time adding an extra /camera/ path for each button press). However, if worse comes to worse, you an always use a card reader to read the memory card. Indeed (provided you have a sufficiently advanced kernel; I had to upgrade to 2.6.16-1 in order to get the system to recognize this particular USB all-in-one card reader and SD card combination. But I can get a little better functionality using the card reader approach, since it just looks acts like another hard drive. -- David E. Fox Thanks for letting me [EMAIL PROTECTED]change magnetic patterns [EMAIL PROTECTED] on your hard disk. --- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Command line audio and CD player?
On Mon, 10 Jul 2006 18:44:34 +0200 Rodolfo Medina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You have to install cdparanoia and libcdparanoia0-dev and then install mplayer again, and then do: $ mplayer cdda:// Um, that didn't work. I have 1.0-cvs currently, as reported by dpkg -l. I have cdparanoia alright, but only recenly installed libcdparanoia0-dev, which I subsequently installed, but still that above doesn't work. While still on topic - would be interested in getting vlc to work on etch. But I have some difficulties getting the source compiled and the binary(sid) doesn't want to install because of broken dependencies. Plus, supposedly the latest version is 0.8.5, but 0.7.0 is what I get when I do an apt-get source vlc. -- David E. Fox Thanks for letting me [EMAIL PROTECTED]change magnetic patterns [EMAIL PROTECTED] on your hard disk. --- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Command line audio and CD player?
On Mon, 10 Jul 2006 18:48:26 +0200 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bill Marcum) writes: You've compiled MPlayer without cdparanoia. Install that (and it's -dev packages) and then recompile mplayer. I didn't notice when I built 1.0cvs from source package any references to cdparanoia. So I went ahead and installed the newest version with aptitude. No change - mplayer cdda:// still fails. Digging further : ldd /usr/bin/mplayer | grep cdp = no output. and a snip from /usr/share/doc/mplayer: Package: mplayer Status: install ok installed Priority: optional Section: misc Installed-Size: 24671 Maintainer: Dariush Pietrzak [EMAIL PROTECTED] Architecture: i386 Version: 1.0cvs Depends: libaa1 (= 1.2), libartsc0 (= 1.5.0-1), libasound2 ( 1.0.11), libaudio2, libaudiofile0 (= 0.2.3-4), libc6 (= 2.3.6-6), libesd0 (= 0.2.35) | libesd-alsa0 (= 0.2.35), libfontconfig1 (= 2.3.0), libfreetype6 (= 2.2), libglib2.0-0 (= 2.10.0), libjpeg62, liblame0 (= 3.96.1-1), libmad0 (= 0.15.1b), libncurses5 (= 5.4-5), libpng12-0 (= 1.2.8rel), libsdl1.2debian ( 1.2.7+1.2.8), libsvga1, libx11-6, libxext6, libxinerama1, libxt6, libxv1, libxxf86dga1, libxxf86vm1, xlibmesa-gl | libgl1, zlib1g (= 1:1.2.1), debconf, libconfhelper-perl Nothing there mentions libcdparanoia0-dev. I'm currently on etch. I have marillat (aka debian multimedia) in my sources.list. Have I got the wrong version (one in debian) or is it supposed to be able to support reading from cd? And if I want to ensure the marillat version gets loaded (I remember a similar issue coming up when I used to run Mandrake, that if you didn't have the plf version of mplayer, you'd get a special encumbered version that didn't violate any perceived issues from Mandrake). -- David E. Fox Thanks for letting me [EMAIL PROTECTED]change magnetic patterns [EMAIL PROTECTED] on your hard disk. --- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: apt-cdrom on iso mount
On Fri, 21 Jul 2006 12:46:39 +1200 Nick Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyways, any further comments on this would be appreciated -- I'm prolly just gonna copy off all the .debs and throw away the .iso Hmm. I seem to be having what may be a related problem: Originally (around November last year) I had downloaded the first dvd of Debian Etch from snapshots, via jigdo. I used it initially as a source 'cd rom' image. Recently, I decided to re-jigdo the disk, from fresher snapshot sources, and used apt-cdrom to add this new DVD as a source image. This part went well. However, I wanted also to redo my apt-file database and can't get past the part where apt-file asks for the DVD image, and promptly spits out that it can't find the Packages.gz file. -- David E. Fox Thanks for letting me [EMAIL PROTECTED]change magnetic patterns [EMAIL PROTECTED] on your hard disk. --- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: YOU WON THE COCA-COLA ONLINE PROMO
On 13 Jul 2006 10:17:10 - Coca Cola Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: THE COCA'COLA COMPANY PROMOTION/PRIZE AWARD DEPT COCA'COLA AVENUE STAMFORD BRIDGE LONDON. SW1V 3DW UNITED KINGDOM yawn. big deal, i have the sekrit formula -- David E. Fox Thanks for letting me [EMAIL PROTECTED]change magnetic patterns [EMAIL PROTECTED] on your hard disk. --- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Command line audio and CD player?
On Sun, 09 Jul 2006 15:46:14 +0200 Rodolfo Medina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Any command line tool that plays both? I can't think of any specifically that do the job. On the other hand, one would think that 'mplayer' should be do it, but several attempts to access the cd device (/dev/cdrom, or /dev/hdc) failed here. 'mplayer vcd://1' managed to read the TOC and it acted like it was going to work (disc accesses) but it just stops. I really didn't expect that to work, because I have an audio CD in the drive, but not a video cd. Still, one would guess that if there's any command like player that should be able to do the job, it should be mplayer, simply because it seems to be able to play anything, and audio CD playback should be simple enough, relative to the other stuff that mplayer can do. Interestingly enough, sox(1) when invoked as 'play' detected no medium found in the drive when in fact there was no media, but fell over with a segmentation fault when a CD was in the drive. This is on etch, BTW. Rodolfo -- David E. Fox Thanks for letting me [EMAIL PROTECTED]change magnetic patterns [EMAIL PROTECTED] on your hard disk. --- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Command line audio and CD player?
On Sun, 9 Jul 2006 14:15:56 -0400
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If it isn't a video CD, try cdda:// and make sure /dev/cdrom is a
symbolic link to your cd player.
Hmm. I figured something like that was going to do it, but I couldn't
think of the right syntax.
OTOH, I tried ('mplayer cdda://1') while a CD was in the drive
(and /dev/cdrom is linked to /dev/hdc, which is correct here) but it
tells me that it can't find the file '1'.
This is with 1.0pre08 running (self-compiled to a debian package, not
the Marillat version).
Is this supposed to work? If so, then it would qualify the OPs
requirement for a command line tool that playa both cd's and other
media files.
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Re: Caught half-way through xorg 7 upgrade, errors in installation of x11-common
On Thu, 8 Jun 2006 13:44:38 -0400 Henk Boom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: With Opera uninstalled, the upgrade went perfectly smoothly! Now, with the help of cid's nvidia drivers, I've got my computer fully back up again =). Hmm. I wished it were that easy for me when I tried it two weeks ago. I know that the wiki entry for the 6.9 to 7.0 transition mentinos that /usr/X11R6/bin should be empty - I didn't catch that either, and I also had apera installed. Emphasizing that - maybe a bit more strongly - i.e., please remove opera if you installed it - might have been of more help. As upgrades go, this was one of the more difficult ones in my experience so far with Debian. I got the same problems as you, trying to upgrade x11-common and having it fail. Probably what I should have done is kept a log of things I tried in order to get it to finally work (and it did hinge on doing an upgrade of x11-common). I also had to upgrade install all the X11 related development files. But so far Xorg 7.0 is working smoothly, although at one time I had considered reinstalling etch :(. -- David E. Fox Thanks for letting me [EMAIL PROTECTED]change magnetic patterns [EMAIL PROTECTED] on your hard disk. --- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: xmms is not playing a steam link
On Sun, 04 Jun 2006 19:07:37 -0400 H.S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: are not playing in xmms in Debian Etch. However, another use is able to play the links on Xmms in Sid. Can somebody else running Etch try and report if this works for them? Curiously, it wants to open the file with beep-media-player (which I prefer to xmms). At any rate, it launches the bmp, but tells me to open a file, rather than actually starting and playing the contents. Sadly, I can't get xmms to work here at all. A possible workaround - cut paste the http:// in the php file itself and pass that to your app. I tested it with mplayer and that does work. The Etch system has: xmms, version: 1.2.10+cvs20060429-1 I also run Etch - same version here. I get a slew of errors on startup, though, with xmms. Actually, I liked xmms, but had several problems in the past and at one point removed xmms and installed beep-media-player. It's sorta like xmms but looks prettier. But I've since installed things that have xmms as a dependency, so it went back in. -- David E. Fox Thanks for letting me [EMAIL PROTECTED]change magnetic patterns [EMAIL PROTECTED] on your hard disk. --- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: impressed with etch
On Mon, 3 Jul 2006 21:45:51 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry to be dense, but what's a Breezy Badger? I believe it's Ubuntu's latest distribution, based on unstable. Actually, it could be a few releases back, I haven't kept up with Ubuntu's naming. www.ubuntu.com -- hendrik -- David E. Fox Thanks for letting me [EMAIL PROTECTED]change magnetic patterns [EMAIL PROTECTED] on your hard disk. --- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Have DVD burner, will backup!
On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 21:38:05 -0600 Nate Duehr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Requirement: Single touch, full-backup? Faster speeds in case interation is required? Well, that would be nice. :) In the old days when my biggest disk was 1.6 gig, I got a DAT tape drive precisely for easy backup - and at the time, 4mm DAT media were the cheapest way to go (other tape methods were far more expensive), although the hardware itself was a bit pricey. Back then, I could do a full backup just by doing 'tar cf /dev/st0 /' - and the whole disk content fit on just one tape. Now my HD storage has grown. Of course, the more data you have to backup, the harder it seems to actually do the backup. Now that a single DVD+RW media costs about maybe 25 cents US and holds twice as much data as 4mm DAT, I think that DVD+RW is a better solution than tape is. But obviously you just can't tar to the dvd like you could do to tape (maybe with packet dvd-ram, you can). Of course, tar has this nasty downside that if the file you need to restore is at the end of the tape, you get to wait until the end of the tape to retrieve it. With a dvd, you just mount it somewhere, pull the data off, and go. Requirement: Restores take less/no space from the existing system. Let's take a look at this point for a bit. Sure, if I needed on tape to restore a given file, all I would have to do is to tar the file from the tape. As long as I don't use any compression (and/or if the backup media stores data just like a file system copy), I can mount the disk with the data I need, and if it's not on the first set, it could be on the second or third (or fourth, etc.) and either it will require me to remember what's on what disk, or have a cycle of mount, peek at contents, umount, insert next disk, mount, peek at contents, etc. That may be a whole lot quicker to accomplish than having to retrieve the whole archive set from the media prior to a restore,as dar seems want you to do. Still, backing up a (nearly) 30G HD to three DVD-RW wasn't all that bad. But I'd still have to keep the archive on HD (the .dar files themselves), or copy each dvd over in turn, then run a dar restore or incremental. Here, it seems that if I'm going to reuse the space taken up by dar archives for other things (due to a lack of space to begin with) I just might as well do full backups each time. Requirement: Back up everything - /home only is sub-optimal. Different parts of the filesystem change at different rates. It's always a good idea to do a full backup - that way you at least have a full backup in case something goes wrong. But if you're running stable, much of the system isn't going to change - but of course, /home will, and likely other parts as well (/var). When I was working with tape, I'd frequently back up /home, maybe other partitions as well, but of course /home was a whole lot smaller back then as well. It seems to me (and MANY sysadmins have already gone here) that with the current cost of hard disk space well below the price of removable I have no disagreement with that - only that the incremental cost of a new disk is greater than a bunch of removable media disks :). on the device, hopefully), an external disk may just flat out be better when viewed from a requirement-fulfillment point of view. I agree - and going that route, all the backup software I would need could just be 'rcync'. 2. External hard disks are slightly less portable than DVD's. 3. External hard disks *might* take up slightly more phhysical space over DVD's, depending on the size/density of the disk. And you can't really just plug them in (hotswap) as easily either. They're more of a permanently there setup. OTOH, several years ago I visited a local shop where they had these external cage things where you could just plug an HD in from the outside, and not have to open the case. Of course, you can simply connect a USB or firewire drive without having to open the case, and likely without having to power down the system to change drives. But that was circa 1997, and it got me thinking. Back then a very popular setup were zip drives and they were very restrictive storage wise (by todays standards) and the media cost a fortune. I figured that as long as HD prices continued to plummet, and allowing for an easier way to swap HD drives around (i.e, these front-mountable cages, for one) that zip technology was doomed. 4. On REALLY big backup jobs, finding a single external disk to cover it might be difficult, but at those sizes, DVD isn't really a very I'm not yet in that league. But it goes back to an early point - the more data you have, the harder it is to back up. -- David E. Fox Thanks for letting me [EMAIL PROTECTED]change magnetic patterns [EMAIL PROTECTED] on your hard disk
Re: Have DVD burner, will backup!
On Sun, 2 Jul 2006 00:54:49 -0600 Nate Duehr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Plug in a USB drive, rsync, unplug it and store is somewhere safe. Done. Anything else is a waste of time, which is the most precious thing you have. People with nothing better to do mess around with removable/optical/tape media today. Sure enough. I would have done them that way to begin with- but I'm on a tight budget. Still, newegg has a Lacie Brick 160GB USB 2.0 for $90 + shipping. Sure looks tempting. Nate Duehr [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- David E. Fox Thanks for letting me [EMAIL PROTECTED]change magnetic patterns [EMAIL PROTECTED] on your hard disk. --- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mplayer packages for offline install
On Sun, 2 Jul 2006 07:50:38 +0530 Kumar Appaiah [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Debian user, I am taking the first eight CDs of Debian Sarge to a low bandwidth location for install. These CDs have most of the software I need. You could get the version (assuming there is one) in sarge by going to ftp.debian-multimedia.org or a suitable mirror. But there are quite a bit of dependencies showing for the package. (this is for the one that's currently available in debian-multimedia etch repository: Uncompressed Size: 5513k Depends: libaa1 (= 1.2), libartsc0 (= 1.5.0-1), libasound2 ( 1.0.11), libatk1.0-0 (= 1.9.0), libaudio2, libaudiofile0 (= 0.2.3-4), libavcodeccvs51 (= 3:20060612), libavutilcvs49 (= 3:20060612), libc6 (= 2.3.6-6), libcairo2 (= 1.0.2-2), libcdparanoia0, libdirectfb-0.9-24, libdivxdecore0 (= 1:5.0.1), libdv4, libdvdread3 (= 0.9.6), libesd0 (= 0.2.35) | libesd-alsa0 (= 0.2.35), libfaac0 (= 1.24+cvs20060416), libfaad2-0 (= 2.0.0+cvs20060416), libfontconfig1 (= 2.3.0), libfreetype6 (= 2.2), libfribidi0 (= 0.10.7), libgcc1 (= 1:4.1.0), libggi2 (= 1:2.0.5), libglib2.0-0 (= 2.10.0), libgsm1 (= 1.0.10), libgtk2.0-0 (= 2.8.0), libjack0.100.0-0 (= 0.101.1), libjpeg62, liblame0 (= 3.96.1), liblircclient0, liblzo1, libmad0 (= 0.15.1b), libmpcdec3, libncurses5 (= 5.4-5), libogg0 (= 1.1.3), libopenal0a, libpango1.0-0 (= 1.12.3), libpng12-0 (= 1.2.8rel), libsdl1.2debian (= 1.2.10-1), libslang2 (= 2.0.1-1), libsmbclient (= 3.0.2a-1), libspeex1, libstdc++6 (= 4.1.0), libsvga1 | svgalib-dummyg1, libtheora0, libungif4g (= 4.1.3), libvorbis0a (= 1.1.2), libvorbisenc2 (= 1.1.2), libx11-6, libxcursor1 ( 1.1.2), libxext6, libxfixes3, libxi6, libxinerama1, libxrandr2, libxrender1, libxt6, libxv1, libxvidcore4 (= 1:1.0.0-0.0), libxvmc1, libxxf86dga1, libxxf86vm1, xlibmesa-gl | libgl1, zlib1g (= 1:1.2.1), mplayer-skin I have no idea whether all those files will be on the 8 cd's you'll be transporting to the location. You could roll your own from sources (which is what I recently did. This briefly consists of ensuring you have all the necessary build components, getting the sources and making the deb (fakeroot debian/rules binary' done in the top-level directory of the source package.) But then you'd need all the depends + development files associated with building that package. mplayer are complete? Or would you suggest some way by which I can get only mplayer and it's dependencies from debian-multimedia.org? debmirror, perhaps? An easy way would be to apt-get -d mplayer after making sure the box has the appropriate lines included to define debian-multimedia.org as a source (and doing the appropriate apt-get update, of course). That'll download mplayer and any dependencies it needs that you don't already have. You could then burn them onto a CD or put them on a USB stick, but since you're the one with the better bandwidth, again, have no idea whether or not your efforts will duplicate anything that isn't already on the first 8 disks. Even so, that's the preferable way to go anyway, and a little bit of wasted space on possible duplicated files shouldn't be an issue. Besides, ti'd be faster for you to get them rather than attempt to d/l at the remote location. Kumar -- David E. Fox Thanks for letting me [EMAIL PROTECTED]change magnetic patterns [EMAIL PROTECTED] on your hard disk. --- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Have DVD burner, will backup!
On Wed, 21 Jun 2006 07:20:48 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DVD's are more likely to survive EMP. Relevant if your data have to survive a nuclear war if you do. Ironic, given the fact that I've written many DDV-RWs that have proved later (in maybe a few months) to have developed scads of bad sectors. No nukes have gone off that I have noticed. :) -- hendrik -- David E. Fox Thanks for letting me [EMAIL PROTECTED]change magnetic patterns [EMAIL PROTECTED] on your hard disk. --- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [testing] HELP - lost X
On Sat, Jun 24, 2006 at 10:21:40PM -0700, David E. Fox wrote: previously: But maybe I'll rerun aptitude dist-upgrade and see what happens, like you said. It seems, though, that I'll still have to reconfigure or reinstall x11-common and other X11R7-related packages. After waiting, I went ahead and did a dist-upgrade. It couldn't automatically complete - I am somehow stuck with a slightly older version of x11-common that can't be upgraded or configured. No matter what I try, it barfs out because the include symlink is not right. Perhaps I'll file a bug against package x11-common. dpkg reports a Failed 6.9.0.dfsg1-6 version of x11-common installed. I am not certain exactly how it got put there, as reportbug indicates there is a new version 7.0.22 available. But I can't seem to get it installed because of the same errors occur whether I try to install x11-common or install xorg - they occur at the same point. I'm gonna file a bug anyway. -- David E. Fox Thanks for letting me [EMAIL PROTECTED]change magnetic patterns [EMAIL PROTECTED] on your hard disk. --- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [testing] HELP - lost X
$ ls -ld /usr/include/X11/ drwxr-xr-x 11 root root 4096 2006-05-23 10:41 /usr/include/X11/ I think you could try to create the directory with the same owner and permissions and then repeat the upgrade. (I am not sure, but I guess This is with Xorg 6.9.0.dfsg1-6 - doing a dpkg --configure -a warns me that /usr/include/X11 is not a symbolic link when I make it as a directory as you suggest. I may be in a catch-22 situation here - can't fix the present x11-common, but can't upgrade to the 7.0.22 version either because the previous one is broken. If that fails it might be time for the no more Mr. Nice Guy approach: You could try dpkg -r --purge to remove the old x11-common package, Well, apart from getting a slew of can't read current directory issues (not sure from whence I ran aptitude) I'm reinstalling the xorg package. On the other hand, it's blowing away most of my system in the process, such as kde. But then my install of 3.5.x might be broken (mostly works as is, except for amarok crashing left and right). (later) found out I was in /usr/include/X11 when doing that install. Switched to root's home and continuing... Looks like I have put myself into a no-win situation. The upgrade won't happen because /usr/X11R6/bin belongs to opera, and opera can't be deinstalled without removing nearly my whole system. But then using dpkg -i --force on the package x11-common seems to have gotten things going. As a precaution, of course, I've been jigdo'ing the most recent snapshot of etch I could find ;) - my previous one I used to install from (last November) has developed bad sectors - d*mn dvd-rw media from sri lanka or whatever... :( Anyway, thanks for the help. Here's hoping I don't have to reinstall from scratch Florian -- David E. Fox Thanks for letting me [EMAIL PROTECTED]change magnetic patterns [EMAIL PROTECTED] on your hard disk. --- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [testing] HELP - lost X
On Sun, Jun 25, 2006 at 11:11:26PM +0200, Florian Kulzer wrote: Is it possible to remove opera with dpkg -r opera? I remember at least one other case on this list where the presence of opera turned the Xorg I tried doing that, but the result was an attempt to remove nearly everything kde-related. transition into a dependency nightmare. I think this is because opera puts files into /usr/X11R6/bin and these files block the upgrade because It puts exactly one file 'opera' and that file is a shell script; the real files go into somewhere under /usr/lib. Hell if I know why they did it that way. I'm a bit of a purist (well sort of) and I've maintained for a long time that the *only* files that belong in /usr/X11R6/bin are binaries provided by X itself - stuff like xeyes,xterm, that sort of thing. I attempted to move opera out of the way, but still obtained a warning/error telling me about the opera files. For everyone else who has not done the upgrade yet: It is probably a good idea to uninstall some non-Debian packages first, then do the Good point. If Opera really is the culprit, by all mrans remove it prior to the upgrade - I'm sure people will have fewer headaches. The good thing is that the upgrade issue is solved (thanks to forcing the removal of x11-common) and I got X back, and then did an aptitude install kde to make sure kde was still there - it certainly seemed that a lot of it got removed as a side-effect of the upgrade. aptitude search '~i!~Odebian' Neat trick. Brought up a slew of packages :) Florian -- David E. Fox Thanks for letting me [EMAIL PROTECTED]change magnetic patterns [EMAIL PROTECTED] on your hard disk. --- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Replying to list
On Thu, 22 Jun 2006 09:36:15 +
Lynn Kilroy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I use MSN Hotmail. Seems MSN Hotmail doesn't work quite the same way your
cludgy e-mail clients {oft mentioned in your article} do.
I've never liked web-based email. Enough said. :)
Furthermore, most common users {people who use MSN Hotmail} don't bottom
post because MSN Hotmail {and Yahoo! for that matter} both are setup for top
posting - like this one.
Imagine my confusion, having used nearly nothing but 'elm' and then
having to use Microsoft Mail (outlook) at work - I was of course firmly
used to bottom-post, or intervening quotes and text, since my email
experiences up until then were usenet email (uucp at first). Of
course, one can include RIME and similar exchanges in DOSland, but we
didn't top-post there either.
But at this job, everything was top post. The emailer pretty much
forced you to edit that way - I recall spending time tryiing to
reformat the emails to look like what I'm used to, but eventually gave
up. After all, it's a different environment, and just maybe top-posting
is appropriate there. But I won't get into a big debate over it :).
Last time I looked, WordPerfect went down the toilet.
Mostly. It kinda half survives in Corel - but maybe that's dead too.
WP (used it heavily in DOS days) was a fine product and at that time -
mid 80's - may have had the best tech support of any product. Sure it
seemed cumbersome to work, and the 'fancy programming languge may have
been arcane, but people used it. 1-2-3 macros were so heavily used back
then too - but they resemble something looking like APL instead of a
real programming language :).
I think WP died out not because of these reasons but because their
Windows product was a dog compared to the DOS version.
Ease of use is one thing - and probably a very important thing, even if
it means dumbing down the product. After all, many of the advanced
features of Microsoft Word never get used much. And you could say (and
be right) that doing this in (la)TeX gives you ul;timate power over the
printed page. Hell, you could make it print every other lnie upside
down if you wanted it to. ;) But I doubt that it would be prominent if
sold as a commercial word processor.
Lynn Erika Kilroy
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[testing] HELP - lost X
OK Please help before I install Ubuntu or something I should have really read the wiki (now I've managed to lose that page) to upgrade xorg to 7.0. It started to grab all the needed packages and then there are total conflicts between packages that depend on xserver-common (6.9, latest version in testing. The install is completely broken and I'm missing X. during the install, it prints up some directories. It removes xserver-common, and then trying to bring that back (maybe by mistake?) started to remove bits of kde, so I hit the ^C key as soon as possible. I'll still have to go back and manually add those things in. x11-common postinst warning: /usr/include/X11 symbolic link does not exist Analyzing /usr/include/X11: /usr/include/X11: nonexistent; directory contents of /usr/include/: Searching for overlapping packages... dpkg: error processing x11-common (--configure): subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1 Errors were encountered while processing: x11-common Seems that I must create a symbolik link to X11's include files. The symbolic link for X11R6 seems to be in place: Script started on Sat 24 Jun 2006 07:23:13 PM PDT m206-157:/usr/include# ls -l /usr/bin/X11 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 12 2006-06-24 19:05 /usr/bin/X11 - ../X11R6/bin m206-157:/usr/include# exit Script done on Sat 24 Jun 2006 07:23:24 PM PDT -- David E. Fox Thanks for letting me [EMAIL PROTECTED]change magnetic patterns [EMAIL PROTECTED] on your hard disk. --- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
