Re: Why mailing-lists? Usenet have been invented, I hear. ;-)
Kai Olsen was roused into action on 09/09/02 20:07 and wrote: > Hi all. > > I'm new to the Debian way of linuxing and since changing distribution is > almost as involved as getting a new OS, I decided I would follow the > discussions among the Debians. > > From the main website I lerned that this was done via mailing-lists, so > I subscribed. But when it dawned on me that I was going to get 100 mails > a day I regetted it. > > Why on earth (to stay local) doesn't Debian move the lists to a > newsserver instead That way it's much easier to follow threads and > only download the messages that is of interest. And if Debian does not > connect to other newsservers, they will not get obnoxious groups as > alt.sex or comp.microsoft.. > > Anyway. This is unworkable for me. Don't reply - I'm off. > For all the replies I've seen here, few seem to have read what he actually wrote. He does have a valid point - there is a high volume of email on this mailing list. For instance, I was offline for just 2 days when I moved from home to university over the weekend and when I checked my email afterwards there were well over 300 messages, most of them filtering into my debian-user folder. That is a lot of volume to have to sift through and delete if you want to preserve harddrive space, not to mention the extra time in doing so. Also, if you're not on a permanent connection, I'm sure there are bandwidth issues as well. At any rate, all he has said is that a high-volume mailing list such as this is unworkable for him - I got the impression of him being more disappointed at not being able to access this resource in a practicable manner than anything else. Nowhere did he complain about the help or supposed lack thereof that he was getting, unlike a few others we've had in the past. I certainly don't think there's any reason to call him names or declare "good riddence" and the like. -- David P. James 4th Year Economics Student Queen's University Kingston, Ontario http://members.rogers.com/dpjames/ The bureaucratic mentality is the only constant in the universe. -Dr. Leonard McCoy, Star Trek IV -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
SB128 PCI problems in woody - Was: Re: Linux won't boot
Pierre Dupuis was roused into action on 09/11/02 09:58 and wrote: > Hi All :) > > So i'm back on woody this time > But i always got one little problem, my soundcard which is a Creative > SB128PCI, does not respondI'm using kernel 2.4.18. Can someone tell > me which module must i compile in the kernel to make my sound card > working properly :) > Same setup, similar problem. I can get it to work, but it is not a pretty method and not terribly efficient (and it has to be done each time the computer reboots). The module is es1371 (or possibly es1370). I've tried loading it with io and irq specifications, but it is still not enough. I also have the sound and soundcore modules set to load. Here's what happens when I boot: -no mention of loading the module(s) in the boot messages, despite it being in /etc/modules with the correct io and irq parameters -when starting Gnome or KDE, off in the background (if you switch to one of the other virtual consols) I see the following message repeated: Soundblaster audio driver Copyright (C) by Hannu Savolainen 1993-1996 sb: No ISAPnP cards found, trying standard ones... sb: dsp reset failed At this stage, apps like XMMS complain about the sound card. Not only that, the directory /var/log/ksymoops starts filling up quite quickly with files with .ksyms and .modules extensions - I've filled up my /var partition a few times because of this, forcing me to clean out that directory. Through trial and error, I've figured out how to stop this - by running sndconfig. The problem there is that the configuration fails, but it does stop the previous problems of the infinite messages and the infinite files in /var/log/ksymoops. I used to then try a manual configuration in sndconfig, but that just fails as well and restarts the problem, so I now just exit once the automatic config fails. But after that, everything seems to work, even though, as I said, sndconfig failed to actually configure anything. That is just plain wierd as far as I'm concerned... For what it is worth, my system has elected to put my soundcard, my PCI ethernet card and the onboard USB controller all on the same IRQ - 11. I've got an AHA-2940UW SCSI card occupying IRQ 10 and an older AHA-1502 at IRQ 9 (for a Microtek scanner). I would have expected the soundcard to take IRQ 5 like my old ISA SB16 did, but it did not. -- David P. James 4th Year Economics Student Queen's University Kingston, Ontario http://members.rogers.com/dpjames/ The bureaucratic mentality is the only constant in the universe. -Dr. Leonard McCoy, Star Trek IV -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Linux in Universities
Dan Kegel was roused into action on 09/12/02 12:48 and wrote: > Hi all, > not quite who to contact to get input from the Debian project > on this -- apologies if "debian-user" isn't the right place. > > I've put together a resource page re "Linux in Universities" > at http://www.kegel.com/linux/edu/ > My goal is to encourage universities to support Linux and > free software in general, and to provide information on > the current state of Linux support at universities. > > I would appreciate your feedback on the content. If there's anything > missing there from your point of view, please let me know, > and I'll see if I can fix it. > Two things: (1) I don't know how or if this fits, but for what it is worth the department of economics here at Queen's runs on Debian servers, and has some Debian-based workstations available for use by grad students and faculty. However, the workstations used by undergrad students (and many/most grad students) are all Windows-based. The difficulty, I guess, is that to have the workstations of undergrads being linux-based would entail some additional amount of support that the department really can't provide, even though I am sure they would like to be able to. Just training students to mount and unmount a floppy for instance, as we use floppies for data storage quite a bit. Not a big task, but nevertheless, who is going to do it? QED Website: http://qed.econ.queensu.ca/ and, particularly worth reading, http://qed.econ.queensu.ca/pub/computer/advice.htm (2) In the second paragraph under the heading "Linux as an aid in the fight against Software Piracy" we see the following line: "Universities could avoid that problem by requiring the use of free Open Source software..." To me, the notion of "requiring" the use of "free" software is practically a contradiction in terms, and most definitely a contradiction in philosophy. A better way to go about it would be requiring adherence to open standards as much as is practicable. Then students would be free to choose between open source or commercial software as they saw fit. -- David P. James 4th Year Economics Student Queen's University Kingston, Ontario http://members.rogers.com/dpjames/ The bureaucratic mentality is the only constant in the universe. -Dr. Leonard McCoy, Star Trek IV -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: SOLVED Re: Problem with cups
Dave Bartmess was roused into action on 09/16/02 23:10 and wrote: > Thanks, Nate, you pointed me in the right direction... > > I took out the Listen lines, and put in a single Port 631 line. That > worked... Not sure at this point why I put in the Listen lines.. LOL > Musta read it somewhere... > > Thanks a million! > > I was about to suggest this... there's something screwy about the listen lines that doesn't make any intuitive sense. -- David P. James 4th Year Economics Student Queen's University Kingston, Ontario http://members.rogers.com/dpjames/ The bureaucratic mentality is the only constant in the universe. -Dr. Leonard McCoy, Star Trek IV -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MS WINWORD and WINE problems....
jeff was roused into action on 09/19/02 03:34 and wrote: > don't bother running M$ products under linux unless you're running > VWware... you'll just end up making a big un-fun mess. > I can vouch for that. I tried running IE once under wine. It crashed. And it hogged system resources in the freeze/lock-up before doing so. I've had fairly good experiences with Quicken 99 under wine though. -- David P. James 4th Year Economics Student Queen's University Kingston, Ontario http://members.rogers.com/dpjames/ The bureaucratic mentality is the only constant in the universe. -Dr. Leonard McCoy, Star Trek IV -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: email clients
Tom Allison was roused into action on 09/19/02 22:19 and wrote: > Proably old... but I've decided that I am getting really tired of > the Mozilla email. It's OK, but it takes a while for it to load > up and seems a bit heavy at times. > I find Mozilla's mail filters somewhat lacking as well as its handling of mailing lists, especially replying to them. My hope is that these will be fixed/improved in time as the project matures. I considered using Kmail, but it doesn't seem to handle linking urls to Mozilla terribly well either. Sigh. > > Second, Is there someway to modify Mozilla to over-ride it's mail > client to start $MAIL_CLIENT when prompted. > (Ctrl-M, mailto:$links...) > Yes there is: http://www.geocities.com/pratiksolanki/#network -- David P. James 4th Year Economics Student Queen's University Kingston, Ontario http://members.rogers.com/dpjames/ The bureaucratic mentality is the only constant in the universe. -Dr. Leonard McCoy, Star Trek IV -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: email clients
Jamin W.Collins was roused into action on 09/19/02 23:33 and wrote: > On Thu, 19 Sep 2002 23:19:10 -0400 David P James <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > >>Yes there is: >>http://www.geocities.com/pratiksolanki/#network > > > Have you tried it? That site suggests the same thing as this site: > I have now... and it doesn't work. > http://www.mozilla.org/start/1.0/faq/mail-news.html#3.3 > > However at the above site you will note that it's only for Windows/Mac. > I had wondered after I posted why there was nowhere to specify the replacement email/news client... -- David P. James 4th Year Economics Student Queen's University Kingston, Ontario http://members.rogers.com/dpjames/ The bureaucratic mentality is the only constant in the universe. -Dr. Leonard McCoy, Star Trek IV -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: I don't understand USB Mouses in Debian
Richard Spillane was roused into action on 09/23/02 17:26 and wrote: > I tried using the dpkg-reconfigure xserver xfree86 command, and I thought it > would work, but even though I set my device to /dev/input/mouse it didn't > take. I also installed hotplug, and that didn't seem to work. I am really > lost, I would figure that if you had your mouse plugged in during > installation Debian would automatically take care of it. I just installed a > stock Debian installation, and I never told it NOT to install USB drivers > for my mouse. I don't know what to do. Can anybody help me? > Here's an irony for you - I've got my Logitech USB mouse running under Debian, but *NOT* under Windows 98, even though I installed Win98 with it plugged in! So I have an older serial mouse for use in Windows :) Anyway, getting back to the problem: You'll need some modules loaded I think to get this to work: usbcore usb-uhci hid mousedev usbmouse In XF86Config-4, the device ought to be set to something like /dev/input/mice, but I think this can vary and I recall having to create it. See http://www.linux-usb.org/USB-guide/x194.html Good luck -- David P. James 4th Year Economics Student Queen's University Kingston, Ontario http://members.rogers.com/dpjames/ The bureaucratic mentality is the only constant in the universe. -Dr. Leonard McCoy, Star Trek IV -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Using LILO to boot Linux/Win98
Heinrich Rebehn was roused into action on 09/26/02 09:46 and wrote:
> Anand Parikh wrote:
>
>>Hi All,
>>
>>I am trying to set up LILO to boot Win98. I have the following setup:
>>I have installed Linux on one HD (two partitions with Linux on 2nd part.),
>>Win98 on a second HD (one partition). I can boot up on both OS with one of the
>>HD connected as active.
>>Next I set up the Linux HD as A (active) and Win98 HD as B (standby).
>>
>>My /etc/lilo.conf file looks like this:
>>boot=/dev/hda
>>delay=10
>>
>>#Linux stanza
>>image=/vmlinuz
>>root=/dev/hda2
>>label=Linux
>>
>>#Win98 stanza
>>other=/dev/hdb1
>>tabel=/dev/hdb
>
>^ It should read "table". Did you get an error message when executing
>lilo?
>
Doesn't one have to map hdb to hda and vice versa to convince that other
fickle OS to boot? That's what I had to do using grub, anyway.
Stolen from a RedHat support page:
http://www.redhat.com/support/resources/faqs/rhl_general_faq/s1-bootloader.html
other=/dev/hdb1
label=dos
table=/dev/hdb
map-drive = 0x80
to = 0x81
map-drive = 0x81
to = 0x80
Modifiy to suit, but you get the idea...
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Tex to PDF conversion trouble (pdflatex)
Having now had some annoying, incomprehensible screw-up with WP9 where its equation editor no longer displays things correctly, I've started looking for alternatives (again). OpenOffice and KOffice have both been ruled out because of a problem with silly looking output where accent-type characters float miles above the character that they are supposed to be on top of. I've been experimenting with LyX and once I figure out what it is actually doing by looking at the file it generates in an editor like kate I'll probably carry on that way. At any rate, I can't seem to print anything from it. I tried exporting it to .dvi or .pdf as well as printing to file, but no go. I was able to export it to .tex however. So I ran pdflatex and texi2pdf on the .tex file and got the following error message with both: I can't find the format file `pdflatex.fmt'! So off I went and googled on that and came up with a few bites, notably that I had to create such a file (which I have done using 'pdftex -ini -fmt=pdflatex latex.ltx') and that I had to put it in the TEXFORMATS path of texmf.cnf. I found that file sitting in /etc/texmf. Unfortunately, I can't figure out the path stucture of anything in that file, as it all begins with .; , and, to top it off, one is apparently not supposed to edit it anyway. So, what I'd like to know is: 1) Where do I put pdflatex.fmt now that I have created it 2) Where and how do I specify a path to it In case this matters, tetex-bin and tetex-base are installed. Thanks, -- David P. James 4th Year Economics Student Queen's University Kingston, Ontario http://members.rogers.com/dpjames/ The bureaucratic mentality is the only constant in the universe. -Dr. Leonard McCoy, Star Trek IV -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Tex to PDF conversion trouble (pdflatex)
Alan Shutko was roused into action on 09/27/02 23:12 and wrote: > David P James <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > >>In case this matters, tetex-bin and tetex-base are installed. > > > Install tetex-extra, I think. > Yep, that seems to have done the trick, sort of. Lyx is still not converting directly to PDF or PS for printing, but I can run pdflatex at the command line now. Ktexmaker2 is functionning fully however, and that is probably what I'll use at it is a nice program that facilitates learning TeX formatting. -- David P. James 4th Year Economics Student Queen's University Kingston, Ontario http://members.rogers.com/dpjames/ The bureaucratic mentality is the only constant in the universe. -Dr. Leonard McCoy, Star Trek IV -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mozilla 1.0.1 builds for Woody?
Ross Burton was roused into action on 10/01/02 08:49 and wrote: > On Tue, 2002-10-01 at 13:45, Kjetil Kjernsmo wrote: > > >>>I use mozilla-snapshot by adding this to my sources.list: >>> >>>#testing mozilla >>>deb http://pandora.debian.org/~kitame/mozilla ./ >>>deb-src http://pandora.debian.org/~kitame/mozilla ./ >> > [snip] > >>BTW, is this snapshot the same as the one in sid? I guess not... > > > No, those snapshot pacakges are very old... No, they aren't. > > The current snaps in Sid are far newer -- those are dated 2002-04-27 > whereas Sid contains2002-09-25. > The most recent is dated 2002-09-11. The "problem" is that to browse them you have to go to http://pandora.debian.org/~kitame/mozilla/ Take a look at the APT listing in the index - it's the same as above. For some peculiar reason throwing a '/' on the end of the URL makes all the difference; compare http://pandora.debian.org/~kitame/mozilla http://pandora.debian.org/~kitame/mozilla/ -- David P. James 4th Year Economics Student Queen's University Kingston, Ontario http://members.rogers.com/dpjames/ The bureaucratic mentality is the only constant in the universe. -Dr. Leonard McCoy, Star Trek IV -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Mutt and mailboxes
I've recently started using mutt remotely when I'm on campus to check for email that Mozilla is automatically downloading to my Debian box at home (I log in to my Debian box via ssh from Tera Term Pro on the Windows machines on campus). The 'problem' is that when mutt launches it automatically uses the mbox file at /var/mail/username. There is such a file on my system but little email ever comes its way, hence I have no interest in checking it. What I would like is to have Mutt default to opening up Mozilla's mbox at ~/.mozilla/default/.slt/Mail/pop.my.isp/Inbox . I can force mutt to open it by using the -f (and, for safety's sake, -R) parameter with that long filename, but I would prefer a quicker and more permanent solution. I've also noticed that there is no .mutt or the like file or directory in my home directory, which is somewhat perplexing. -- David P. James 4th Year Economics Student Queen's University Kingston, Ontario http://members.rogers.com/dpjames/ The bureaucratic mentality is the only constant in the universe. -Dr. Leonard McCoy, Star Trek IV -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mutt and mailboxes
Matthew Weier O'Phinney was roused into action on 10/03/02 09:30 and wrote: > -- David P James <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote > (on Wednesday, 02 October 2002, 11:05 PM -0400): > >>I've recently started using mutt remotely when I'm on campus to check >>for email that Mozilla is automatically downloading to my Debian box at >>home > > Not to be contrary, but why are you having Mozilla do the downloading? > Fetchmail is designed for this... and once it has retrieved the mail for > you, you could have any of your mail clients look at it directly on your > machine easily, as it would be in a standard place. > Because; (1) It hadn't occurred to me to do that, and (2) It kind of depends on what happens once the file is on the computer. Mozilla can be told to place its mail file anywhere, but it doesn't appear to have the option (like Mutt or to some degree Kmail) of 'directly' reading a mailfile - Mozilla is set up to download and then read, not to read only. That's not to say that Mozilla's mail file can't be modified by something other than itself, it can - you just don't want to be doing that when Mozilla is actually running (say, when I'm home, which would mean that I'd have to shut off fetchmail whenever Mozilla Mail starts up). It would be nice if Moz could be told to read mbox files directly, but it can't. I'd even consider switching away from Moz, but I have yet to find any other [GUI] mail client that handles the concept of sub-folders as Moz does, or that can sort email by 'Order Received' rather than simply by date. My long-term hope is that Moz gets improved or that Minotaur will make up for Moz's deficiencies (mailing list handling, as another example). On the other hand, if fetchmail downloads it to somewhere in /var/mail and I manage to set up a server for other mail clients to "download" from, would that not result in having an mbox file in multiple places, thereby wasting space? (ie wherever fetchmail puts it *and* also in the usual Mozilla location when Moz "downloads" it?). I suppose I could still tell Mozilla to delete the file from the server (eg, /var/mail), but then this seems to be a lot of extra file swapping, configuring as well as installing another programor two for what would appear to be no real gain. As it is now, Mozilla downloads mail and anything else can read it wherever Mozilla puts it. I just need to be able to configure Mutt to do that, which I have now been able to do. > I believe somebody else already noted this, but .muttrc is not created > on its own; you have to create your own. When you do (simply use your > favorite editor -- likely VIM if you're using mutt! -- and create a > ~/.muttrc file), you'll need a line such as: > set folder=/path/to/spoolfile > Once this is in there, you won't need to use the -f switch. > > I highly suggest reading the mutt manual; it's included with the Debian > distro at /usr/share/doc/mutt/html/manual.html. And also look into > fetchmail and procmail -- they are excellent tools for grabbing mail > from remote locations and delivering it to specific files/directories. > I had looked at the manual and the man page but I hadn't figured out that Mutt doesn't create a .muttrc file when first invoked. I saw references to it but I'm a little bit leary of creating a file that, from the documentation, *sounds* as if it ought to be there already. Anyway, problem solved now. Thanks, -- David P. James 4th Year Economics Student Queen's University Kingston, Ontario http://members.rogers.com/dpjames/ The bureaucratic mentality is the only constant in the universe. -Dr. Leonard McCoy, Star Trek IV -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mass installation on XBox (and economics)
Brooks R. Robinson was roused into action on 04/10/02 12:03 and wrote: > | * martin f krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [04-10-2002 15:14]: > | > > If I buy an X-Box that cost $300 to make for $200, then MS `loses' > | > > $100. If I don't buy one at all, then they lose $300. > | > > | > Where did you learn economics? > | > | I should resist, but sorry. > | > | More Xboxes sold, is more developer support, is more games, is > | bigger market share, is not nice, is it? > > I think that this purchase would decrease market share since they are not > being used for gaming and not prone to entice someone to purchase it as a > game console. MS would lose (development) dollars because the XBox is being > sold at a loss. It might cause further failure by giving MS a false sense > that their product is selling well for it's intended design; which could in > turn cause future problems when it turns out that they aren't as popular as > they were led to believe. > > The idea that they would lose $300 from a missed sale is accurate given > market saturation (no more willing buyers). IMHO, right now, at least, the > market isn't even close to saturation, especially with Christmas coming up, > despite the dreadful US economy. A lost sale will be picked up by another > buyer. A large purchase for alternate use would get them out of the hands > of a willing buyer that would make up the margin on games for MS. (The > point I'm trying to make here is this... I'll eat the pan of brownies so > that you don't eat them and get fat, are I so nice for doing so!?! :) > > Thoughts... > I drew a few supply & demand graphs and the only conditions under which this market penetration scheme is going to work is if consumers' demand is fairly elastic at those prices (eg a small price change induces a much larger change in behaviour; though in this case a large price decrease induces a very substantial increase in purchases of XBoxen). The other requirement here is that consumers' demand for games must be fairly inelastic otherwise MS would be losing too much in sales by jacking up the cost of their games. The intriguing thing is that this isn't the most profitable way of doing things *IF* MS has a monopoly in this market; the most profitable thing to do would be to do what they do with their OSes vis-a-vis other software; they sell the OS at an extravagant price and include Office and IE at marginal cost, in this case nothing (the marginal cost of all existing software is 0 or pretty close to it; the only cost is really the cost of distribution, whether by CD or downloading). So with XBoxen MS ought to be selling them at highly inflated prices and selling games at little more than cost. The reason I suspect they aren't doing that is a fear on their part of competition or other competitors entering the game console market, so they price the way they do to prevent that (someone tell me if this is the case; I really don't know - this is just an analysis based on MS's actions). The 'worst' thing about Microsoft is how they consistently manage to do exactly what imperfect competition theory predicts. Everytime we learn of some other form of imperfect competition I think to myself "Yep, MS does that". Anyway, as to the question of whether or not purchasing XBoxen below cost is a good thing. Well, from a consumer perspective, if it makes you better off it's good, but I don't think that's what we have in mind. Rather, does this make MS worse off if you buy an XBox without the intent of using it for games? Well, true enough, if you buy one for $200 that cost $300 then yes, MS is worse off. However as Brooks notes above if you don't buy then someone else will, and, if people stop buying them altogether at $200 then MS will drop the price further or simply stop making them, so MS doesn't lose if you don't buy. The other way of looking at it is that all XBoxen will be sold at some price. However, before anyone gets too carried away and starts to think that large (I mean really large) alternate purchases is going to bankrupt MS, think again. All that will do is start to push up the price, meaning that MS is losing less. They may even stop subsidising XBoxen altogether. Worse still, depending on the cost structure, the increased demand might even start pushing down the average cost of units sold (an economies-of-scale argument). Conclusion: you, the marginal consumer, might be able to stick it to MS for $100 or $200, but any concerted attempt to stick it to MS in this way is not going to work. MS wins again. -- David P. James 4th Year Economics Student Queen's University Kingston, Ontario http://members.rogers.com/dpjames/ The bureaucratic mentality is the only constant in the universe. -Dr. Leonard McCoy, Star Trek IV -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Locale and date/time settings
Does anyone happen to know which locale to set for date/time to get a date in the following format? /mm/dd or -mm-dd Or, if no such locale exists, then is it possible to generate one? I'm using GB right now, which is dd/mm/yy, which I find preferable to the default of mm/dd/yy. -- David P. James 4th Year Economics Student Queen's University Kingston, Ontario http://members.rogers.com/dpjames/ The bureaucratic mentality is the only constant in the universe. -Dr. Leonard McCoy, Star Trek IV -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Locale and date/time settings
Osamu Aoki was roused into action on 07.10.2002 03:29 and wrote: > On Sat, Oct 05, 2002 at 11:33:27PM -0400, David P James wrote: > >>Does anyone happen to know which locale to set for date/time to get a >>date in the following format? >>/mm/dd or -mm-dd >> >>Or, if no such locale exists, then is it possible to generate one? > > > $ LC_TIME=ja_JP ls -l > drwxr-xr-x4 nospam nospam 4096 2002-08-29 10:28 zlib-1.1.4 > ... > > You need to generate ja_JP locale, though. I did this, and the right format is used, but unfortunately the '-'s were replaced by other characters. This is somewhat frustrating; for starters, why is the default date format on the 'internationalist' Debian OS the illogical US standard? And second, why is there no easy-to-use ISO format date? Right now I'm using the German standard, which is better than what I had, but still not what I want. -- David P. James 4th Year Economics Student Queen's University Kingston, Ontario http://members.rogers.com/dpjames/ The bureaucratic mentality is the only constant in the universe. -Dr. Leonard McCoy, Star Trek IV -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Locale and date/time settings
Colin Watson was roused into action on 2002-10-07 12:01 and wrote: > On Mon, Oct 07, 2002 at 11:06:31AM -0400, David P James wrote: > >> >>I did this, and the right format is used, but unfortunately the '-'s >>were replaced by other characters. This is somewhat frustrating; for >>starters, why is the default date format on the 'internationalist' >>Debian OS the illogical US standard? > > > There's nothing we can do about it: it's how the C locale is defined. > > >>And second, why is there no easy-to-use ISO format date? Right now I'm >>using the German standard, which is better than what I had, but still >>not what I want. > > > There's en_DK, which despite being a "joke invention" > (http://www.xfree86.org/pipermail/i18n/2001-April/001727.html) seems to > produce what you want. > Thank you Colin. Sorry if I sounded a bit terse earlier; I had just gone through the process of generating half a dozen or so different locales with none of them turning out to use the ISO format. I had begun to wonder what en_DK was though, as I could figure out most of the rest (I knew DK was Denmark but English_Denmark didn't seem to make any sense). -- David P. James 4th Year Economics Student Queen's University Kingston, Ontario http://members.rogers.com/dpjames/ The bureaucratic mentality is the only constant in the universe. -Dr. Leonard McCoy, Star Trek IV -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: "unhandled exception" running Wordperfect on Woody??
Bruce Best (CRO) was roused into action on 2002-10-08 09:41 and wrote: > I am running Debian Woody (with a sprinkling of sid), w. XFree86 4.2, KE > 3.0.3, and am trying to get Wordperfect Office 2000 Deluxe for Linux > working. Whenvever I try to start one of the office apps (wordperfect, > quattropro, etc.), I get the following errors: > [snip] > > WordPerfect Office 2000 was primarily designed to run on Corel Linux v.2, > which was based (I believe) on either slink or potato (or a mixture of the > two). I am guessing the above problem has to do with WP expecting certain > older libs that are not present?? I tried installing a few likely candidates > from /oldlibs, but nothing working yet > > Therea are a few updates that I have installed, including the updated libaps > from Corel, and an updated corelwine-cvs file available on > http://students.cs.byu.edu/~torriem/corelwine/, but the above problem > persists. > > Does anyone have any thoughts on how to get this working?? Pls. cc. me on > any responses, as I am not on the list -thanks. What does the XF86Config-4 file look like? Specifically the section dealing with fontpaths... do you have this line in there; FontPath "tcp/127.0.0.1:7102" I can't remember why I had to do this anymore, I just did. This was on a Corel newsgroup quite some time ago. Ok, googling turned up this: http://www.linuxworld.com/linuxworld/lw-2000-04/lw-04-penguin_2.html Next, how did you install it? With the script or manually through apt-get after updating sources.list? The latter, as you might imagine, seems to work better. > > Before it is mentioned, yes, I'd rather not be using a discontinued > commercial application at all, but I am setting this machine up for my > mother, who has a considerable amount of ongoing work that must be done in > Wordperfect. I will probably set up WP8 in the interim, but WPO2000 is much > nicer to work with (when it works). > I hope she's got a fast machine with lots of memory... -- David P. James 4th Year Economics Student Queen's University Kingston, Ontario http://members.rogers.com/dpjames/ The bureaucratic mentality is the only constant in the universe. -Dr. Leonard McCoy, Star Trek IV -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: "unhandled exception" running Wordperfect on Woody??
Bruce Best (CRO) was roused into action on 2002-10-08 16:18 and wrote: >>-Original Message- >>From: David P James [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > >>What does the XF86Config-4 file look like? Specifically the section >>dealing with fontpaths... do you have this line in there; >>FontPath "tcp/127.0.0.1:7102" > > > Not unless it was added by the WPO 2000 installation. I'll check. > > >>Next, how did you install it? With the script or manually through >>apt-get after updating sources.list? The latter, as you might imagine, >>seems to work better. >> > > > apt-cdrom, then apt-get, as instructed in the "manual install instructions". > Installed fine. In fact, Wordperfect worked. Once. Next time, crash. I Later > installed the updated libaps from Corel, and the updated corelwine-cvs .deb > floating around, to no avail. > In that case, try removing the existing .wpo2000 directory and rerunning it. WPO2K4L is a little incorrigable when it comes to mangling its own files... -- David P. James 4th Year Economics Student Queen's University Kingston, Ontario http://members.rogers.com/dpjames/ The bureaucratic mentality is the only constant in the universe. -Dr. Leonard McCoy, Star Trek IV -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CD Writing [was: Re: The Real Problem With Debian]
Jamin W.Collins wrote: > On Sat, 12 Oct 2002 17:20:10 -0300 > Klaus Imgrund <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >>but the doc's there are as outdated as my grandma - and she was put to >>rest a while ago. Don't get me wrong - I like linux a lot but the doc's >>suck sometimes. > > > You know, if you find a problem with the documents you're more than > welcome to submit updates to the author(s). If that doesn't work, you are > also welcome to update them yourself. > > >>I had a problem one time with a cd-burner. >>Now - the site you mention tells you a lot of stuff that is about: >>-3 years outdated and >>-totally incomprehensible > > > Really? Lets see, cd-burner you say, that would be: >http://tldp.org/HOWTO/CD-Writing-HOWTO.html > > Looks like the page was updated a little over two years ago according to > this: >v2.9.3, 23 July 2000 > > I remember using this document (possibly even same version, let me check > my print out, nope v2.8.8) to learn about CD writing in Linux. Had > everything I needed. > > I'm wondering why my modules.conf that I had to edit keeps reverting back to the previous version every time I reboot; it is really kind of frustrating. It means that every time I reboot I have to mess around and reload the ide-scsi module as well as having to load the module for my soundcard (if I forget to do the latter all manner of nastiness happens when KDE starts up). It also sends up a flurry of warnings that my "modules.conf is newer than modules.dep" [I'm thinking - so what if it is?]. --David [using Knoppix on an otherwise Windows computer right now] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CD Writing [was: Re: The Real Problem With Debian]
Stephen Gran wrote: > This one time, at band camp, David P James said: > >>I'm wondering why my modules.conf that I had to edit keeps reverting >>back to the previous version every time I reboot; it is really kind of >>frustrating. It means that every time I reboot I have to mess around and >>reload the ide-scsi module as well as having to load the module for my >>soundcard (if I forget to do the latter all manner of nastiness happens >>when KDE starts up). It also sends up a flurry of warnings that my >>"modules.conf is newer than modules.dep" [I'm thinking - so what if it is?]. >> >>--David [using Knoppix on an otherwise Windows computer right now] > > > Taken from my modules.conf: > > ### This file is automatically generated by update-modules" > # > # Please do not edit this file directly. If you want to change or add > # anything please take a look at the files in /etc/modutils and read > # the manpage for update-modules. > > Seems straightforward enough. > Um, D'oh! Yes it does. Don't I look kind of silly? But, going back to the discussion of the CD-Writing Howto, nowhere does it mention that even though it's clear that modules.conf has to be modified... --David -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
