Re: Can Iceweasel and Firefox co-exist on Wheezy.
Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com writes: I am giving up in despair and I'm going to install Firefox. :-( Just too many sites won't talk to me. Do I need to uninstall Iceweasel first or can I have both? TDE 3.5.13.2 on Wheezy 7.5. Lisi Lisi, it seems that all you really want is to browse all these sites, right? Why don't you install the most fresh iceweasel's version from wheezy-backports as Mozilla Debian Team recommends[1]? [1] http://mozilla.debian.net/ pgpf836JnNehH.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Can Iceweasel and Firefox co-exist on Wheezy.
Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com writes: On Friday 13 June 2014 20:34:12 Dmitrii Kashin wrote: Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com writes: I am giving up in despair and I'm going to install Firefox. :-( Just too many sites won't talk to me. Do I need to uninstall Iceweasel first or can I have both? TDE 3.5.13.2 on Wheezy 7.5. Lisi Lisi, it seems that all you really want is to browse all these sites, right? Why don't you install the most fresh iceweasel's version from wheezy-backports as Mozilla Debian Team recommends[1]? [1] http://mozilla.debian.net/ I have. ?! But Lisi, your words: I have: Version: 24.5.0esr-1~deb7u1 according to aptitude show iceweasel. And 24.5.0 according to Iceweasel itself. And mozilla.debian.net repository contains quite more resent version: # apt-cache policy iceweasel iceweasel: Installed: 29.0.1-2 Candidate: 30.0-1~bpo70+1 Version table: ... 30.0-1~bpo70+1 0 500 http://mozilla.debian.net/ wheezy-backports/iceweasel-release amd64 Packages ... 24.4.0esr-1~deb7u2 0 500 file:/home/mirror/pool/ wheezy/main amd64 Packages ... Are you sure you *have* installed iceweasel from backports? Have some problems disappeared after upgrade to iceweasel-v30? pgpWnBsGJ0Hft.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [i3]Not able to get the reboot/suspend script work.
Anubhav Yadav anubhav1...@gmail.com writes: Okay, I got you. First of all, if you want your i3wm to have the right PATH variable, you should set it before him to run, i.e. in ~/.xsession file. Here's my Right now I have lightdm installed. In my lightdm.conf file I have this setting: user-session: i3 And lightdm starts my i3. So If I make a .~/.xsession will it clash with my setup right now? No. In case of lightdm the situation seems to be a bit different. I'm using XDM which uses an old-style variant of loading a graphical environment. XDM just executes /etc/X11/Xsession script that aims to start your window manager. In order to do it, it loads different files From user's home directory. One of them is ~/.xsession. But lightdm uses the system of profiles that it calls (also) sessions. If you want to use my solution with lightdm display manager, you should add a new profile which will execute /etc/X11/Xsession script. It will be some kind of this: -- /usr/share/xsessions/user-defined.desktop -- [Desktop Entry] Name=user defined session Exec=/etc/X11/Xsession --- pgpi9TN0rgZYr.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [i3]Not able to get the reboot/suspend script work.
That's my configuration. I suppose it can be useful.
~/.i3/config
# power-mode
mode power {
bindsym s exec sudo /usr/sbin/pm-suspend
bindsym h exec sudo /usr/sbin/pm-hibernate
# back to normal: Enter or Escape
bindsym Return mode default
bindsym Escape mode default
}
--
/etc/sudoers
%sudo ALL=(ALL:ALL) ALL, NOPASSWD: /usr/sbin/pm-hibernate
/etc/sudoers
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Re: [i3]Not able to get the reboot/suspend script work.
Anubhav Yadav anubhav1...@gmail.com writes: So I think I need to setup my PATH variable properly so that it i3 can also access it? Okay, I got you. First of all, if you want your i3wm to have the right PATH variable, you should set it before him to run, i.e. in ~/.xsession file. Here's my example: #!/bin/bash # Set PATH PATH=$HOME/bin:$PATH # Load .Xdefaults if [ -f $HOME/.Xdefaults ]; then xrdb -merge $HOME/.Xdefaults fi # Start GnuPG daemon eval $(gpg-agent --daemon) # Prevent blanking and turning monitor off xset -dpms xset s off # Hide pointer in 5 seconds of idle unclutter -idle 5 -root # Start Window Manager /usr/bin/i3 wmpid=$! # Return to XDM when Window Manager has been finished wait $wmpid Secondly, you could just use an absolute path to i3exit script in your i3wm config file. pgpWQzMhRpk75.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: GLX version
Ric Moore wayward4...@gmail.com writes: I ~THOUGHT~ I could get a GLX version upgrade via software. I have version 1.4 supplied by my nVidia GeDorce GT-520 card. Am I missing something, short of replacing the card, to have version 2.0? I have the Mesa packages installed. Thanx, Ric What exactly package are you talking about? pgppelDsEAJlk.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Pinning by architecture?
Malte Forkel malte.for...@berlin.de writes: Is there any support for pinning by architecture? If you're speaking about libraries, you can write something like this: Package: libgl1-mesa-glx Pin: release n=wheezy Pin-priority: 500 Package: libgl1-mesa-dri Pin: release n=wheezy Pin-priority: 500 Package: libgl1-mesa-glx:i386 Pin: release n=wheezy Pin-priority: 500 Package: libgl1-mesa-dri:i386 Pin: release n=wheezy Pin-priority: 500 I know nothing about 'b=...' option if preferences, but for binaries you can also use origin to notice where your needful package is stored. pgpJNOoF2rovu.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: which is the best lan messanger
Debian Admin debianupd...@gmail.com writes: I would like to know which is the best and stable internal chat with out internet. My requirement is it should have centralized console to manage client users and their chat logs like messenger server and client chat log should be save in the server, and this for monitoring purpose Form the server side User creation, editing and deletion this should be possible % apt-cache search irc server | grep server ... ircd-irc2 - The original IRC server daemon ... pgpkVtA7hTHRf.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: DPMS Xset Blank Screen
Michael Post michael_p...@web.de writes: XAUTHORITY=/home/user/.Xauthority xset -display :0 dpms force on i should rewake up the monitor. But nothing happens. The command runs without any error message. Do you have any clue for me? xset s reset pgpy6jF2_HmpU.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Debian + Dell + double screen
Benjamin DE DARDEL benjamin.dedar...@gmail.com writes: Hi all, I've just installed a debian lxde 7.4 on my dell optiplex 9020. I would like to install 2 screens, but only one is recognize. Here are some infos on my system. Do you have any idea ??? I think about upgrading the stable kernel with the testing kernel. I don't know if it's a good idea !!! Benjamin, why didn't you use xinerama? pgpnaBJv_5yG_.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Debian + Dell + double screen
Benjamin DE DARDEL benjamin.dedar...@gmail.com writes: 2014-03-13 8:19 GMT+01:00 Dmitrii Kashin free...@freehck.ru: Benjamin, why didn't you use xinerama? Why not ! In fact, I upgrade kernel I don't think you really needed it. I can I install xinerama ? because I don't find it in my debian packages : $ apt-cache search xinerama ... libxinerama1 - Bibliothèque de l'extension Xinerama pour X11 ... Are you kidding? pgptzHv8jyA1G.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Debian + Dell + double screen
Didn't I ask you not to send me a carbon copy? :/ pgp0SMChDbepO.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Wi-fi
Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com writes: On Tuesday 11 March 2014 10:12:24 pch0...@gmail.com wrote: Hi List, I have problem with my wireless connection - when wifi card is enable via hardware button it freeze network manager (metwork manager, wicd and iwconfig). I can't use my AP :-/ It sounds as though you have too many different managers of wifi conflicting. You can't really use all three at once! He can, Lisi. But only if they manage different network cards. pgpkrzCqzLzfV.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Wi-fi
Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk writes: On Tue 11 Mar 2014 at 10:53:17 +, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Tuesday 11 March 2014 10:12:24 pch0...@gmail.com wrote: Hi List, I have problem with my wireless connection - when wifi card is enable via hardware button it freeze network manager (metwork manager, wicd and iwconfig). I can't use my AP :-/ It sounds as though you have too many different managers of wifi conflicting. You can't really use all three at once! I think what Lisi means is that you should not have network manager and wicd active at the same time. Purging one or the other (apt-get purge) is probably best. Why purging? `sudo service wicd stop`. iwconfig is not a manager. And even more. It's deprecated. wireless.linux.org recommends iw instead. pgpi9o8ouIDWs.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Wi-fi
Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk writes: On Tue 11 Mar 2014 at 15:51:01 +0400, Dmitrii Kashin wrote: Why purging? `sudo service wicd stop`. I belong to the brutal school of Debian administration. :) If a service isn't needed - zap it from the machine. This is the reason why I doesn't have neither wicd nor NM. =) pgpN20HdBE8WD.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: debian installer
SvechnikovSV s...@module.ru writes: Hi guys. I have a problem with the latest version of Debian here. I had installed wheezy 7.2 system with utilities package only (console and framebuffer). I can't make it work in graphic mode 0x31A. Instead I got 0x31B mode loaded. My video card Intel 92945G seem to support both modes but I need A mode here. 0x31A worked perfectly under Debian Squeeze and below. If you load your kernel with 'vga=ask' parameter, will you be able to choose 0x31A mode? If you use LILO, so you can easily type something like linux vga=ask in the prompt. pgpWxOamC_y8Q.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Installing same packages in a Squeeze installation in a new Wheezy installation
Bob Proulx b...@proulx.com writes: apt-mark showmanual Wow! This command is very useful! Thank you! =) pgpxElOsR0H4I.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Installing same packages in a Squeeze installation in a new Wheezy installation
Bob Proulx b...@proulx.com writes:
Ken Heard wrote:
# dpkg --get-selections '*' selection.dpkg
That is definitely the old venerable way of doing this on Debian from
a decade of years ago. When working on the same version of Debian it
even worked relatively well. Then. But now we have extended_states
in APT supporting 'apt-get autoremove'. With regards to that the
above no longer works well. For one problem it completely breaks the
extended_states paradigm.
The extended_states paradigm is to track for each package whether it
was installed manually or installed as a dependency of another
package. If you install foo and foo depends upon libfoo then foo is
marked as manual and libfoo is marked as automatic.
Yes. I have been skimming the whole thread for 10 minutes trying to know
if somebody remember about autoremove. So I am very glad to see your
letter. But I would like to append your answer.
I did a migration from Squeeze to Wheezy a while ago, getting the list
of manually installed packages by command:
% aptitude search '?installed ?not(?automatic)' | awk '{print $2}'
It is a very convenient way. And the only case I agree that aptitude is
useful.
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Re: wheezy first install
Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com writes: One of these days I shall actually remember taht it is not safe to click reply on the Debian list. Sorry, John. :-( On Tuesday 29 October 2013 16:34:15 John Hasler wrote: GUI network manager such as NetworkManager. These don't always get along well with manual network configuration. A masterly understatement! I think it is a feature. If user is experienced enough to configure network in a debian way, NetworkManager decides not to impede and not to bother him. The problem can be solved by removing Network Manager. I always do this if landed with it. If I want my network managed, I then install wicd. So do I. But I see a trend of NetworkManager to become better through the time. I saw that now it has cli tools and curses interface. It may have sense to keep NM in some systems. pgpGaXpJw1WYp.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: ANDROID
Doug dmcgarr...@optonline.net writes: I think these FSF guys are nuts! They are definitely /not/ for freedom--they would, if they could, prohibit people and Linux distros from including software that people want, and in many, if not most, cases, need. Bah! If people want to use some software, it does not mean this software is not dangerous, does it? These guys just try to protect us against sociopathic dark future. I believe there's not enough quantity of hackers in some spheres of acivity, but it will change sometime. pgptdtAMdY1hU.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: alien 32/64 bits
François Patte francois.pa...@mi.parisdescartes.fr writes: Bonjour, Is there a way to build a debian package on an amd64 from a rpm package built for a 32bits platform. There's no way to *build* amd64 package from any another non-source package. But you could *repack* .rpm package into .deb one using alien. But if it was not amd64, it would *not* suddenly become amd64. When you are not enough precise, you get interesting answers, don't you? pgpo17ZEZIQBY.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: sysctl.conf
Roland RoLaNd r_o_l_a_...@hotmail.com writes: All, I'm reading up on how to harden debian.i just checked /etc/sysctl.conf and noticed that everything is commented out.do that mean they're running as defaults or none of what exists in this file is implemented? All of options in default configuration files *are* implemented. Some lines are commented out because they provide users for not a common configuration, but very often needed functionality. pgptuO2aTe2yc.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: sysctl.conf
Roland RoLaNd r_o_l_a_...@hotmail.com writes: that's the thing, i'm reading up on sysctl and don't have the necessary knowledge to know what to expect at the moment. You have to know what you will get in the end. In my opinion it is strongly recommended. You could begin with something easier, for example, configuring your shell or text editor. Sysctl is used in order to give kernel some default parameters to work. The most common cases to use it: - to allow packets redirection - to enable/disable ipv6 support - to change console behavior and printk output. ..and so on, so on... Do you really need some of this? pgpuPRSvsl1DH.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: emails to debian-user silently dropped ??? -- was Fwd: What's the easiest and/or simplest part of Linux Kernel?
Zenaan Harkness z...@freedbms.net writes: Can anyone tell me where my email went - see below - ?? -- Forwarded message -- From: Zenaan Harkness z...@freedbms.net Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 12:56:13 +1000 Subject: Re: What's the easiest and/or simplest part of Linux Kernel? To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Friend, it would be better to give us Message-ID, not the whole message. And, btw, why don't you use archives or NNTP to check it yourself? pgpONIEExnqzR.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Blacklisting threads - SOLVED
Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com writes: On Monday 21 October 2013 20:50:44 Jonathan Dowland wrote: On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 03:11:03PM +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote: That tedious. It was/is getting broken all the time, thus getting tangled up with everything else. It is beginning to be a real nuisance. Blacklist all the recent participants. Thanks all for your suggestions. I have followed this one! Lisi, I'm afraid it was *not* a suggestion, but a very bad joke. pgpzya2yu6zjW.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: sluggish iceweasel
Stephen Powell zlinux...@wowway.com writes: I have been using the iceweasel web browser for years; but in the past several weeks using an up-to-date jessie system, iceweasel has become very sluggish. Even the simplest operations, like scrolling the screen, have become so sluggish that iceweasel has become almost unusable. I do not see this problem. What is your hardware? pgpX7AQRnyVfR.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Blacklisting threads - SOLVED
Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com writes: Lisi, I'm afraid it was *not* a suggestion, but a very bad joke. It was Jonathan's suggestion, and I don't think that it was intended as a joke. It is a very good solution to the main problem. I think Brad had explained it quite well... On Wednesday 23 October 2013 13:27:11 Brad Rogers wrote: Be aware though, that if somebody new posts to the thread, you'll see their messages, and any quote(s) they contain so the thread re-emerges. Also, blacklisting the people will block their posts to that, and any other thread, not just those to the thread you were/are trying to quell. Therefore, I meant it was a bad advice, but did not want to say it straight (trying not to be rude). pgphrh0ujhDGb.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Blacklisting threads
Robert Holtzman hol...@cox.net writes: On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 10:08:08PM +0400, Dmitrii Kashin wrote: Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com writes: Perhaps it is time that I started using procmail! Good choice, I used to use it. But keep in mind that Procmail is a filtering instrument which is good while you have only one computer. If you buy another one, you will have problems with access to your mail account from different machines at the same time. I can't think of a situation where you would access your mail account from two machines *at the same time*. What am I missing? You forgot to turn off machine A. Machine A had taken new mails and deleted messages on server. You turn on machine B. You see no mail. They left on machine A. Also (preventing next question) you could not to delete messages from server. But in this case you will refetch mails by another machine. And it will be another problem. If you recieve more than 50 emails per day, how will you check if letter has been read? In case of procmail you *must* to check all the incoming mails manually. The only way to solve these problems is to use IMAP protocol. And if you use it, you can not apply local filtering utilities. pgpQUbBHBOzgV.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: no .bash_hostory file was found in user home folder
Muhammad Yousuf Khan sir...@gmail.com writes: :~$ echo $HISTFILE /home/ykhan/.bash_history And what's with $HISTSIZE and $SAVEHIST? pgpziKawsMten.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Blacklisting threads
Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com writes: How do I blacklist a thread? It depends on either your email client or your mail server possibilities. Some email clients provide functions for marking all articles in thread as read. Some clients provide also a very useful instrument called scoring. It allows to set a 'score' of any article depending on author, subject or entity. I know these possibilities are available in Mutt and Gnus, but most likely it is not what you are looking for. I would recommend you to search on the Internet a documentation to KMail. I believe it must have developed this functionality. The second way which could be more useful for you is filtering. A lot of email servers support an extension known as 'sieve'. It's a very comfortable stuff for sorting mail. GMail, as I know, have its own filtering language, which is rather similar to sieve. You could I know how to blacklist a person via Gmail, but not how to nullfile a thread! Could I ask if it is really needed? Maybe it would be more sane to store these articles in another folder, or set them negative score? pgpdlijXRfGb3.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Blacklisting threads
Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com writes: Perhaps it is time that I started using procmail! Good choice, I used to use it. But keep in mind that Procmail is a filtering instrument which is good while you have only one computer. If you buy another one, you will have problems with access to your mail account from different machines at the same time. pgpJH4Z4OFEe7.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: packages for amd64 and i386 at a different version
Jari Fredrisson ja...@iki.fi writes: I can't install or update ANYTHING in my wheezy right now. First of all, versions for different architectures are equal. For example: freehck@lpt00:~% apt-cache policy libcurl3 libcurl3: Installed: 7.32.0-1 Candidate: 7.32.0-1 Version table: 7.33.0-1 0 1 file:/home/mirror/pool/ sid/main amd64 Packages *** 7.32.0-1 0 500 file:/home/mirror/pool/ jessie/main amd64 Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status 7.26.0-1+wheezy4 0 500 file:/home/mirror/pool/ wheezy/main amd64 Packages freehck@lpt00:~% apt-cache policy libcurl3:i386 libcurl3:i386: Installed: (none) Candidate: 7.32.0-1 Version table: 7.33.0-1 0 1 http://mirror.yandex.ru/debian/ sid/main i386 Packages 7.32.0-1 0 500 http://mirror.yandex.ru/debian/ jessie/main i386 Packages 7.26.0-1+wheezy4 0 500 http://mirror.yandex.ru/debian/ wheezy/main i386 Packages Have you tried to do again: % apt-get update % apt-get upgrade If it does not work, would you be kind to show the entity of file /etc/apt/sources.list? pgpMmCc9ubR6X.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: E: Unable to locate package libpngwriter0-dev
don magnify magnuscelzi...@gmail.com writes: http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/libpngwriter0-dev do i create a separate sources.list for squeeze? No. I would recommend you to read sources.list(5) accurately, and then add squeeze repository into it. pgpuB6F9Kl7qe.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: XFCE is slow on Acer One netbook - suggestions?
Helmut Wollmersdorfer helmut.wollmersdor...@fixpunkt.de writes: 2) repartition and fresh install of Squeze + Gnome2 With Gnome2 I was very happy and the PC was good performing. 3) Upgrade to Wheezy + Gnome3 Ooops. Not performing on this hardware good enough, too often reaching the limits. But even worse is the bad usability of Gnome3. That's why I tried 4) Install XFCE without removing Gnome, because I need the convenience of the network-manager (I use the netbook in a dozen different locations/networks) It's still slow. I guess a lot of Gnome's services are still started with your graphical environment, and they overload your machine. You can use sysv-rc-conf to make unnecessary services not to start. pgpzW6VHxMgXD.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Jessie Minimum Kernel Requirement
Florian Lindner mailingli...@xgm.de writes: I plan to use Debian on a virtual server where I can't control the kernel version, that is 2.6.32. What is the minimum kernel version for the upcoming Jessie? I am using Jessie with the kernel from Wheezy. Don't worry, it's safe to upgrade. pgpeeaZDqbKaI.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: dropbox alternative
yudi v yudi@gmail.com writes: I am looking for an dropbox alternative... Rsync is a good alternative. pgpfbcd99VP3O.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: dvd Jessie images
andrey.ry...@bilkent.edu.tr writes: Where i can find all 10 official dvd images? Why do you think it should be 10 dvd images? pgp6XAHzEke2A.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: dvd Jessie images
Catherine Gramze rhia...@gmail.com writes: On Wed, 16 Oct 2013 16:33:39 +0300 andrey.ry...@bilkent.edu.tr wrote: hi all. I want download full set of dvd Jessie images. But on official site http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.2.0/i386/iso-dvd/ i can find only 4 images. Where i can find all 10 official dvd images? Thanks in advance You just need to wait a bit. Jessie is in the process of changing from testing to stable and the full DVD sets are only made for the stable release, currently Wheezy. The question was about Wheezy release. There's only 3 DVD disks for each architecture (and 8 CD disks; maybe TS mentioned 3+8=11?). For those who have been around longer than I have, can you verify that Jessie is now frozen, No. It will be frozen on the 5th of November 2014. [0] and that they are removing packages with critical bugs prior to releasing Jessie as stable?? Not at all. When testing freezes, RC buggy packages will be removed from it only if maintainers won't present fixes for them in 2 weeks. Also, non-buggy packages depending on buggy ones will be removed too. [1] [0] https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2013/10/msg4.html [1] http://release.debian.org/jessie/freeze_policy.html pgpBJqArB3Q0V.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: dropbox alternative
Michael P. Soulier msoul...@digitaltorque.ca writes: On 16/10/13 Dmitrii Kashin said: Rsync is a good alternative. Rsync doesn't merge documents edited in multiple places. And Dropbox does? I use a Git repo for that. So do I. pgp90I3XFnZD6.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Set widescreen resolution in console
Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com writes: On Wednesday 16 October 2013 13:14:06 Chris Bannister wrote: On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 09:23:16PM +0400, Dmitrii Kashin wrote: I am not entirely certain but I don't think it has a number yet, but If it has already then I'd expect it to be Debian 8 or will be Debian 8 when it has. That is exactly what I meant. would expect it to be Debian 8 eventually. You're wrong. It has. That's a bit harsh. IOW, I believe appears to be a phrase that a translator would have to be very careful with. :) Lisi, due to your and Chris' help I understood that it was not a correct answer in this case, which was caused by my misunderstanding of language. I alologize for being rude. pgpD3x7LAdPgV.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Strange PGP signature
Aort Conda aort...@gmx.com writes: What is this? The file on official cd mirror is different. Did not get what you are talking about. Everything is normal, see: % gpg --verify SHA512SUMS.sign SHA512SUMS gpg: Signature made Mon Oct 14 01:19:32 2013 MSK using RSA key ID 6294BE9B gpg: Good signature from Debian CD signing key debian...@lists.debian.org pgpmUa8nf05o5.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Strange PGP signature
Marko Randjelovic marko...@eunet.rs writes: $ gpg --verify SHA512SUMS.sign SHA512SUMS # attached file gpg: Signature made Sun 13 Oct 2013 11:19:32 PM CEST using RSA key ID 6294BE9B gpg: Good signature from Debian CD signing key debian...@lists.debian.org $ gpg --verify SHA512SUMS.sign2 SHA512SUMS # http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.2.0/amd64/iso-dvd/SHA512SUMS.sign gpg: Signature made Sun 13 Oct 2013 11:19:31 PM CEST using RSA key ID 6294BE9B gpg: Good signature from Debian CD signing key debian...@lists.debian.org But both signatures are 'Good', but time differs in 1 second. Wow. How did it happen? Where did he take previous signature? pgpDyPp3ooIlV.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Set widescreen resolution in console
Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com writes: On Monday 14 October 2013 00:29:26 Antonio Paiva wrote: what is Debian Jessie? The current Testing. It has not, I believe, got a number yet, but I would expect it to be Debian 8 eventually. You're wrong. It has. https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2012/07/msg4.html pgpGbL7KwqX5I.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: apt-get vs. aptitude
Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com writes: Oh I have fond memories of aptitude breaking my system. Once it suggested me to remove most of my system, including apt, I thought it was going to upgrade it so I confirmed it. I had to reinstall apt from the debian packages website. In this new installation I gave it another try but when it started suggesting very weird plans (like remove all gnome packages) I happily went back to apt and never looked back. Please don't top-post. +1 If aptitude's such a destructive package, why is it still in the repositories? I think that aptitude works quite well for the easiest cases. And it is the only instrument I know which allow to see dependency chains. It was dselect some time ago which could do it too as I know, but now it seems to be dead. BTW, it provides with good capabilities for searching through packages. There're quite good beginnings in this project as you can see. So it's popular and is in the repository. I suspect that the problem's in the example above are simply PEBKAC. ^ So do I. User should think what he allowed program to do when he'd raised his privilages to root. PS: About odd letter 's' in 'examples'. Man. Whithout arguments, it seems to be rudeness. Observe netiquette. pgp38ioZlJCgF.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: apt-get vs. aptitude
Morten Bo Johansen m...@spamcop.net writes: Sure. But the gist of the discussion to me was the point of view of the naive user, i.e. how the two package managers behave out of the box. Out of the box? Sorry, I'm frightened when I'm talking with oracle. I see you can read so well between the lines. No compelling arguments have been provided that one is better than the other in that respect. Nobody in this thread told that one's better than other. pgpWzEM_h2e8d.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: apt-get vs. aptitude
Morten Bo Johansen m...@spamcop.net writes: On 2013-10-13 Dmitrii Kashin wrote: I think that aptitude works quite well for the easiest cases. And it is the only instrument I know which allow to see dependency chains. It was dselect some time ago which could do it too as I know, but now it seems to be dead. BTW, it provides with good capabilities for searching through packages. Remember that aptitude has evolved quite a bit. The scenarios that you and some others describe are not necessarily pertinent anymore. It was about a year ago. Most often, I find that I can solve dependency problems by simply not upgrading one or more packages. You do that easily... ...hold them with apt-mark. But I prefer pinning. For instance, at the moment the package xul-ext-greasemonkey is marked as upgradable on my system, but the package's metadata has Iceweasel in a non-installable version as a dependency. Aptitude wants to remove xul-ext-greasemonkey and apt-get wants to remove Iceweasel. In this case apt-get usually wants to keep package not upgraded. And, btw, why don't you use upgrade instead of dist-upgrade? Well, folks, it was an interesting thread, but I think it needs to be finished. We've just started another holywar discussion. It is sad. pgprs8MQPaYM8.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Set widescreen resolution in console
Antonio Paiva arp2...@gmail.com writes: I have recently acquired an old Sony Vaio PCG-C1VN (aka, a PictureBook) and installed Debian wheezy. The problem is that I can only get the *console* to run at 640x480 resolution. First of all, have you tried to boot your kernel with vga=ask option? I did try vga=ask but that option is no longer supported by the debian kernel. Is new kernel essential? For example, I am using Debian Jessie with a kernel 3.2 from Wheezy release because of some driver problems. If this is not a variant for you, I guess you should dig into framebuffer info. pgpbuyDVAyaSi.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: apt-pinning, strange behavior
berenger.mo...@neutralite.org writes: Le 10.10.2013 23:06, Dmitrii Kashin a écrit : berenger.mo...@neutralite.org writes: In the same priority range, the package which will be installed is the one with the highest priority, so it is fine to have one set of package with 500 ( or I could take 600 or any other value ) for low priority, and the other at 900 ( or 800 or... ), so that the version with 900 will be installed against the lower one, even if the lower one is more recent. Oh... Truely? I thought differently and was sure I am right. Maybe you are right, but in that case, how would you explain the behavior I had if a package of a priority of 500 is considered to have the same priority as a package with 900 ? ;) My opinion was that priorities are used to determine which package of equal versions should be installed. And there is not difference if packages have different versions: only one with a higher version will be installed. Exception is different priority range for theese packages. But truely, in this case why do we have such a wide range of priorities? So I'm inclined to agree with you. I just skimmed again through apt_preferences man page, but did not find such examples or explanations. Where's it documented? I must admit, that I only base my words on old readings and experimentations. It also seems logic: what would be the interest to have so wide ranges of numbers oterwise? Yes-yes-yes. This thought visited my mind too. Maybe I'm wrong, but what I have seen those days tends to prove that I am not. I think you are right too, but it will be well to find where this behavior is correctly described. Unfortunately I have not seen good preferences documentation at the current time. pgpZj47UatBfq.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: apt-get vs. aptitude
Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com writes: On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 1:11 PM, Dmitrii Kashin free...@freehck.ru wrote: Florian Lindner mailingli...@xgm.de writes: What is the prefered tool for installing on the CLI? apt-get or aptitude? Last time I read about it, it was aptitude, due to better dependency checking. What is the current state? apt-get or aptitude? Does it matter? What about using both? I should notice that you cannot compare apt-get and aptitude. But you can do it for aptitude and APT utilities. I find aptitude somtimes inadequate, and therefore dangerous in some cases. I met situations when aptitude completly broke functioning of APT. APT utilities in their turn are simpler, and they are more preferred to manage packages. But although aptitude can break APT, APT could not break aptitude's working, so you always can use it in order to use its searching abilities. I do so. Have you filed a bug report about aptitude breaking apt (whatever that means!) or is this just FUD? No, I have not. Because it is normal aptitude's behaviour. I have just written about this case in debian-russian list, but can not find now the original text, so I am writing new one. It was a cognitive case. I had set priorities for dbus to negative ones using pinning. Then I tried to install some package which needed dbus with apt-get and aptitude; and then I compared behavior of theese utilities. As it was impossible to resolve dependencies for this package due to pinning, apt-get printed error message and shut down. And in my opinion it was a right decision. But aptitude in its turn did not bahave the same way. What did it do? It suggested to me several solutions. They were: 1) Install this package ignoring dependency. As it was a hard dependency, program could not work without it. And if you choose this variant, unresolved dependencies appears in the system, so you would not be able to use apt-get to manage packages anymore. And it is the case you asked about. 2) Install dbus, forgot about pinning. This one just shocked me. 3) ... There was a lot of fun solutions of the problem. But as I said, I can not find original post, and can not remember more examples. It's enough I think. pgpsb0ixvFyIx.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: apt-get vs. aptitude
Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com writes: Have you filed a bug report about aptitude breaking apt (whatever that means!) or is this just FUD? No, I have not. Because it is normal aptitude's behaviour. It was a cognitive case... You start out by replying that this isn't a bug but normal for aptitude! Yes, it's normal for aptitude, but isn't it ugliness? And I agree. Aptitude gives you the option to to install a piece of software without a hard dependency (and then dealing with the consequences) or of overriding a previous choice of software installation. It gives you a choice! It doesn't install packages that breaks your installation or conflicts with your requirements without your consent! Great. It gives me a choice to break my system, and the only thing that separates me from it is the letter 'y'. Thanks. I do not like this choice. I would prefer not to have it. Not only is aptitude not broken but it doesn't break apt since you can still use apt-get/aptitude to install other packages. Did you read carefully. or your aim is to start a new holywar? pgp0X0mZTG7ly.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Set widescreen resolution in console
Antonio Paiva alpharomeop...@gmail.com writes: Hi everyone, I have recently acquired an old Sony Vaio PCG-C1VN (aka, a PictureBook) and installed Debian wheezy. The problem is that I can only get the *console* to run at 640x480 resolution. First of all, have you tried to boot your kernel with vga=ask option? pgpuuJalKhhxN.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: apt-pinning, strange behavior
berenger.mo...@neutralite.org writes: In the same priority range, the package which will be installed is the one with the highest priority, so it is fine to have one set of package with 500 ( or I could take 600 or any other value ) for low priority, and the other at 900 ( or 800 or... ), so that the version with 900 will be installed against the lower one, even if the lower one is more recent. Oh... Truely? I thought differently and was sure I am right. I just skimmed again through apt_preferences man page, but did not find such examples or explanations. Where's it documented? Yes, it wants, because I did not specified the priority for the release stable-updates. This is what apt-cache policy pointed, and once fixed, my problem disappeared, and I finally understood that obvious issue. Glad for you. PS: I think I should probably send the package-specific priorities and their dependencies into specific files in preferences.d/ Yes, it's a good practice. I do so. But mostly in order to set negative priorities. pgpPtARO8Mur6.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: apt-get vs. aptitude
Florian Lindner mailingli...@xgm.de writes: What is the prefered tool for installing on the CLI? apt-get or aptitude? Last time I read about it, it was aptitude, due to better dependency checking. What is the current state? apt-get or aptitude? Does it matter? What about using both? I should notice that you cannot compare apt-get and aptitude. But you can do it for aptitude and APT utilities. I find aptitude somtimes inadequate, and therefore dangerous in some cases. I met situations when aptitude completly broke functioning of APT. APT utilities in their turn are simpler, and they are more preferred to manage packages. But although aptitude can break APT, APT could not break aptitude's working, so you always can use it in order to use its searching abilities. I do so. pgpvPIiq8uxbH.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: apt-pinning, strange behavior
berenger.mo...@neutralite.org writes: Since I had to reinstall from my last kernel error, I decided to stay with stable on that computer, but I need some softwares in less outdated versions, like development libraries or i3 ( this one is not a need but a question of comfort, I admit ), so I want to use apt-pining. I have set all packages from stable to a priority of 900 and testing packages with 500. But tzdata wants to upgrade, for an unknown reason. Certainly it wants. According to apt_preferences(5): 500 = P 990 causes a version to be installed unless there is a version available belonging to the target release or the installed version is more recent As you see, both pins are in the same range, so there are managed by the same rules. You should use priority of =990 for the target release. Explicitly making it to a priority of 900 for stable fixes that, but I can not understand why it is needed? You have just set this priority to the whole stable repository. This should not work at all. Maybe it will be sane to show us how you set pins? pgpLgC4869UAx.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: About debain kernel stable repo
Man, why don't you use an ordinary command: % apt-get source linux It is the most preferred way to find sources for stable release. And yes. As you have seen, the main tree of linux kernel is stored in svn repository: svn://anonscm.debian.org/svn/kernel/dists/trunk/linux/ For other questions it will be sane to write into a developers' list: Debian Kernel Team debian-ker...@lists.debian.org pgpWmA9iJCYNw.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: autostarting a terminal.
peasth...@shaw.ca writes: Given ~/.config/autostart/openaterminal.desktop containing Exec=lxterminal Terminal=false a terminal is opened on the desktop following login. If the two lines changed to Exec=sh Terminal=true no terminal is opened. Why don't you tell us which DE you are using? I think a lot of people here does not use any one. For autostart purposes in X.Org there's ~/.xsession file. pgpwpjklW1bnX.pgp Description: PGP signature
