Re: testing or unstable?
Now, my question is: which one is more advisable, testing or unstable? Excuse the basicness of my question, thanks for any reply Rodolfo I have been using testing for years with few problems, if that is any indication. I know there are 'safe' ways to get apps from other releases and mix 'em in, but I forget the details because I do it so seldom. Martin Krafft's book is very helpful in this area (and others!). Glenn +---------+ Glenn Becker - burni...@sdf.lonestar.org SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.lonestar.org +-+ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: iceweasel segfault
Using a link in the New York Times to the transcript of Flight 1549, Iceweasel segfaults scrolling through the document. http://www.scribd.com/doc/11719666/Tracon-Transcript Anyone verify this? FWIW (very little) I was having this problem with Iceweasel a lot on what appeared to be random sites. I recently upgraded the Flash plugin (which felt more baroque in nature than it needed to be ... I wound up using an Ubuntu package) and the behavior seems less frequent now. +-+ Glenn Becker - burni...@sdf.lonestar.org SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.lonestar.org +-+ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: flash / iceweasel / all that
You mean install_flash_player_10_linux.deb? I got that, installed it with "dpkg -i", and now have (squeezing out spaces): $ dpkg -l | grep flash ii adobe-flashplugin 10.0.15.3-1hardy1 Adobe Flash Player plugin version 10 Flash works perfectly. http://members.cox.net/ron.l.johnson/Iceweasel-Add-ons.png No Flash. Still got the lovely Dumb question: did you restart Iceweasel? I did. I suspect the app is becoming confused by multiple versions sitting around. I am going to try a cleanup. +-----+ Glenn Becker - burni...@sdf.lonestar.org SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.lonestar.org +-+ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: flash / iceweasel / all that
I've searched around and couldn't find an adobe-flashplugin package. Which repo is it from? I'm using the flashplayer-mozilla package from the Lenny repo at www.Debian-Multimedia.org and YouTube, etc., works great for me. Ah, sorry. It wasn't from a repo ... I went to Youtube, clicked the link that read "upgrade to the latest version," was taken to adobe.com where I downloaded the *.deb, installed it with dpkg, etc etc. I will clean out all Flash - related stuff I have and try the the repo you suggest, maybe I will have better luck. There is an irony in my posting this at all, one that I don't like: I'm one of those "Flash is the scourge of the Internet" types. I shouldn't care about this AT ALL, but I just got tired of my browser bursting like a bubble & so on ... Thanks for the tips, Glenn +-----+ Glenn Becker - burni...@sdf.lonestar.org SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.lonestar.org +-+ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
flash / iceweasel / all that
Hi all - I should probably admit that I haven't been booting my Debian install lately, and it has mainly been due to irritation with Iceweasel and not doing anything constructive about it b/c it worked fine over on another Linux system I have (no names ...). I am running testing and have been for some time. I don't recall when Flash stopped working, but this has been the case for some time. At first, I searched in Aptitude for anything related to Flash, just to make sure I had everything available installed. No help. I just read over a few threads in the -user list, & on the strength of what I found I tried simply following the "install the latest version" link from a Flash-intensive site ... chose the (Ubuntu) .deb and installed it. Restarted Iceweasel, enabled the new Flash player v. 10 in the plugins dialogue and disabled the older ones. Restarted Iceweasel. No Flash. Still got the lovely "Hello, you either have JavaScript turned off or an old version of Adobe's Flash Player. Get the latest Flash player." Javascript is on. I did a dpkg-reconfigure on adobe-flashplugin. Restarted Iceweasel, checked plugins ... and v. 10 of the Flash player had disappeared and I was still getting the same message when I tried to play anything on Youtube. I'm 98% certain I am doing something stupid here, but would appreciate it if someone could point me in the direction of ... something that will tell me how to diagnose the problem and make it all better. Cuz I'm close to throwing the laptop (or just my Debian installation) against the wall. Thx, Glenn +---------+ Glenn Becker - burni...@sdf.lonestar.org SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.lonestar.org +-+ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: udev and kernel (testing)
Hello all - I officially retract my clueless email. Sorry about that. :^( +-+ Glenn Becker - [EMAIL PROTECTED] SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.lonestar.org +-+ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
udev and kernel (testing)
Hello all - I am running a testing box. Recently (end of last week, maybe?) I did an update, & one of the packages that -wanted- to update was udev; however, later in the installation process I was dumped to a debconf screen that indicated the new udev would be incompatible with the kernel I was running, & that I needed to upgrade the kernel (to 2.6.18 or newer) first or risk rendering the system unusable. I left the answer to the "upgrade anyway?" question on that screen at "no", and the update pretty much bailed at that point. So for a few days now I have put a "hold" on udev via aptitude, since I don't see a newer kernel available ... I guess I'm wondering whether I would be wise to try rolling my own. I did it once, but it was a long time ago. Mainly I'm curious why a newer one hasn't shown up (perhaps it's me doing something stupid - I'm always open to that option!). Maybe on the other hand I should just leave the hold on udev? Thanks, Glenn +-+ Glenn Becker - [EMAIL PROTECTED] SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.lonestar.org +-+ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: screen resolution question
take the time to read that page, it should clear up the issue for you. OK ... I got my xorg.conf fixed up to my liking. Now ... ... for me, the real issue here isn't the need to learn something new: shoot, that's fun. The issue for me here was that, as far as I was aware, it just changed and I had to ask "uh, what th-?", then go back and read up on it. I guess what I would like to know is -- to what mailing list should I be subscribed so that I know about such things as they are happening? At first I thought, "oh, that must be debian-announce" but then I looked at the archives of that list and it obviously isnt' there. What do I need to be reading? -user is too high volume to really follow everything. Thanks in advance for any enlightenment, and apologies if that's a dumb Q. Regards, Glenn +---------+ Glenn Becker - [EMAIL PROTECTED] SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.lonestar.org +-+ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: screen resolution question
This is from the post that Mirko Parthey posted: http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/HowToRandR12 a good read. you can add an "Option" along these lines under Monitor: Option "PreferredMode" "1024x768_60.00" (assuming 60hz refresh rate, if it is something else, change _60.00 to something else) ahh ... take the time to read that page, it should clear up the issue for you. many thanks. I should follow developments more closely, I guess, but I run a multi-boot box and stuff slips through. GB +-----+ Glenn Becker - [EMAIL PROTECTED] SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.lonestar.org +-+ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: screen resolution question
I stupidly deleted a response to my question regarding my "skeletal" xorg.conf file. IIRC, the question was whether my file did not in fact have a "Screen" section. It does, but it is as empty as the other sections. Since it doesn't amount to much, the whole thing follows. # xorg.conf (X.Org X Window System server configuration file) # # This file was generated by dexconf, the Debian X Configuration tool, using # values from the debconf database. # # Edit this file with caution, and see the xorg.conf manual page. # (Type "man xorg.conf" at the shell prompt.) # # This file is automatically updated on xserver-xorg package upgrades *only* # if it has not been modified since the last upgrade of the xserver-xorg # package. # # If you have edited this file but would like it to be automatically updated # again, run the following command: # sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg Section "InputDevice" Identifier "Generic Keyboard" Driver "kbd" Option "XkbRules""xorg" Option "XkbModel""pc104" Option "XkbLayout" "us" EndSection Section "InputDevice" Identifier "Configured Mouse" Driver "mouse" EndSection Section "Device" Identifier "Configured Video Device" BusID "PCI:1:0:0" EndSection Section "Monitor" Identifier "Configured Monitor" EndSection Section "Screen" Identifier "Default Screen" Monitor "Configured Monitor" EndSection +-+ Glenn Becker - [EMAIL PROTECTED] SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.lonestar.org +-+ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
screen resolution question
Hi all - I am running a testing box. Recently, it seems, my X settings changed (w/o my intentionally changing them, at least as far as I can recall) so that the screen resolution on Gnome, for example, it was defaulting to 1400x1050. It is nice to see that my older laptop can handle this, but ... I also have older eyes and prefer a setting of 1024x768. So I went looking into the xorg.conf file, and found that ... no default screen res appeared to be set! In fact the file contains almost _no_ details and consists mainly of a lot of sections that look like this: Section "Device" Identifier "Configured Video Device" ... making it look like a lot of the X configuration is handled automatically. Well, great ... cough ... I would rather it _wasn't_ handled automatically, because I want to choose my own settings. I've handrolled my own .conf files for X for ages ... is there any way for me to do this and not have my settings overwritten by an automated thingum that has no idea what my specific needs are? If this is an attempt at an improvement I cannot say I care much for it. Certainly I can change the settings via the Gnome GUI, but this doesn't help me if (as often happens on my old machine) I'd rather just run Fluxbox. Sorry if this is an ignorant question and has been asked before. If I need to RTFM, just let me know where to find the relevant M and I will RTF thing. Thx, Glenn +---------+ Glenn Becker - [EMAIL PROTECTED] SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.lonestar.org +-+ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: what scripting language to learn?
I keep coming up against a wall "Solid scripting experience required" in my job search (for Linux sys admin). IYHO, what would be the one scripting language to learn? I would learn straight shell (sh) ... it's clunkier than bash shell but it's everywhere. Of course to be useful you'd have to know things like sed and some awk and so on: standard unix utils. +---------+ Glenn Becker - [EMAIL PROTECTED] SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.lonestar.org +-+ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Question about perl organisation on disk and CPAN
Hi Lesley, If I use CPAN what is the best method to use? Should I use the cpan command or should I use the perl -MCPAN method? And how much of a problem is not having perl 5.10 installed going to be if I choose to get the latest modules from CPAN?Is it possible to install 5.10 on etch or are there dependencies that might have wider effects than simply updating perl e.g. altering the libraries that gcc relies on? I'm glad you posted this question, since I have wondered some of the same things. I have a multi-OS system and have typically done my Perl-ing on my Slackware install, and use CPAN all the time there. I have run into conflicts a couple of times on Debian because I have either installed modules via CPAN that were in the repository or were otherwise mixed up in a dependency somehow. So it is an area to be aware/careful in. This document may help: http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/perl-policy/index.html There is also apparently a Debian CPAN of sorts: http://debian.pkgs.cpan.org/ I found both of these via http://www.debian-administration.org which has proved to be a helpful site. Glenn +-----+ Glenn Becker - [EMAIL PROTECTED] SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.lonestar.org +-+ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Suggest one tool to collect favorite web pages?
When I find some pages that I'm interested in, or some good articles, I would like to save it (the content, not the link url) on my system, so that I can review it any time I want (when I'm offline or the URL to the articles is disabled) I use wget. It hasn't worked in every case, but does a great job in most. +-----+ Glenn Becker - [EMAIL PROTECTED] SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.lonestar.org +-+ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Installing a Lenny package to an Etch machine
I am wanting to install Homebank on an Etch machine. Trouble is, it looks like it is only available for testing/Lenny and Sid. I wish I had my copy next to me, but I know Martin Krafft's excellent book _The Debian System_ has some good material on how to safely mix and match like this. One of the better tech books I have ever read: it's ultra-dog-eared! Glenn +-----+ Glenn Becker - [EMAIL PROTECTED] SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.lonestar.org +-+ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: switching to DHCP in a clean manner ...
My quick anxiety-reliever in these situations is always grep. Something like grep -rn 12.34.56.789 /etc/* using your old IP will find orphaned mentions. Thanks :^) +-+ Glenn Becker - [EMAIL PROTECTED] SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.lonestar.org +-+ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: switching to DHCP in a clean manner ...
Probably the best thing to do is edit /etc/network/interfaces to reflect your new network settings. You will probably want to have something like this: auto eth0 iface eth0 inet dhcp where eth0 is your network device, if you have one that has static in the line, comment that out and any other lines, such as address, network or gateway. Worked great, thanks! :^) +-+ Glenn Becker - [EMAIL PROTECTED] SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.lonestar.org +-+ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
switching to DHCP in a clean manner ...
Hi all - I just moved from the NY metro area to the Boston metro area, and in the process changed ISPs. My service is now significantly faster and cheaper, but my account now assigns IPs dynamically -- previously, I'd had a static IP. I have the /option/ with the new provider to get a static IP but I decided to try the DHCP thing since the static is an extra charge ... all I have done is add the line "exec dhclient" to /etc/rc.local. Now, this _works_, but I don't know that it is the best solution and I suspect I may have config files in there with the old IP/gate/and so forth numbers in them. It has been so long since I set that networking up that I've kind of forgotten the Best Way to Do It ... and the best way to clean it up and switch over to something else. Can someone point me toward a good doc to read on this, or let me know if I am going about this in an absurdly inelegant way. Like I say, it works but I don't know that it is as good as it could be. Maybe I'm worrying it too much. Thanks, GB +-----+ Glenn Becker - [EMAIL PROTECTED] SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.lonestar.org +-+ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to switch to text mode
Yes, I'd say much more elegant! :^) I'd say - no. Okay! :^) to remove: #update-rc.d -f gdm remove to restore: #update-rc.d gdm defaults I learned something, today, great! TMTOWTDI, I guess. G +-----+ Glenn Becker - [EMAIL PROTECTED] SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.lonestar.org +-+ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to switch to text mode
Whereas this will work (assuming you're using gdm or kdm instead of xdm or wdm), you'll have to do this for each runlevel. I find it easier to temporarily disable [gkxw]dm by editing /etc/init.d/[gkxw]dm and putting the single line "exit 0" as the first non-comment line in the script (or, for ease of finding later, just as the first line). This way you only have to edit one file rather than five or so. Yes, I'd say much more elegant! :^) +---------+ Glenn Becker - [EMAIL PROTECTED] SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.lonestar.org +-+ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Booting Debian/testing fails
To some of us, GUI tools are more intuitive than the opaque, cryptic command line tools. I appreciate your point(s) but to others of us the CLI is neither opaque nor cryptic. Choices is what it's all about - for me. G +-----+ Glenn Becker - [EMAIL PROTECTED] SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.lonestar.org +-+ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to switch to text mode
I am running xfce4 but I want to boot the system to console instead of gui. What am I supposed to do? IIRC you need to go into /etc/rc.d/rc*.d/ and mv 'S99gdm' to 'K99gdm' wherever it appears. Same if you see 'S99kdm' anywhere. This will keep the GUI login splash from starting up. GB +-----+ Glenn Becker - [EMAIL PROTECTED] SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.lonestar.org +-+ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Dilbert cartoon featurng Linux
Has anyone seen the Unix dilbert where a crusty old, Unix guy comes up to dilbert, flips him a dime, and says,"Here kid, go buy yourself a real computer." yes. but i think it was a /nickel/. :D gb +-----+ Glenn Becker - [EMAIL PROTECTED] SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.lonestar.org +-+ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: shopping for an HTML editor
Bluefish does WYSIWYG ? I thought it is "merely" an HTML editor. you are correct, my inner filter made me leap right over WYSIWYG. sorry. gb +-----+ Glenn Becker - [EMAIL PROTECTED] SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.lonestar.org +-+ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: shopping for an HTML editor
Can anyone recommend a good WYSIWYG HTML editor? I require very basic HTML stuff like lists, tables, formatting, inserting images etc., no complex CSS capabilities are necessary. Bluefish or Quanta are nice editors, or there's html-helper-mode in Emacs. If you like real basic, there's one called "august." GB +---------+ Glenn Becker - [EMAIL PROTECTED] SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.lonestar.org +-+ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What should I use?
Hi Justin - I have never used Linux before, but I've always wanted to learn. I want to use Debian Linux, but I don't know which to use. I am wanting to dual boot it in my laptop with my Windows. My laptop is made by eMachines and uses a AMD Sempron 3200+ processor. Please let me know what version to install. Thank you very much!!! If by version you mean you are trying to choose between "stable," "testing" and "unstable," my advice would be to start with stable because one of the hallmarks of Debian is that "stable" is not released until all involved are as sure as can be that it is rock solid. That said you will also commonly hear that with all the work that goes into "stable" the applications in it are actually /not/ the latest versions by the time it comes out. This is undoubtedly true; however, as a new user you might not care as much at first about that. And it's easier to move up to the "testing" version one day if you want to do that. Or install selected apps from "testing" or "unstable" if you feel you need them - Debian makes it possible to "mix" releases, though I wouldn't do it until you are more certain about what you are changing. Enjoy the journey - I sure did! Regards, Glenn +-+ Glenn Becker - [EMAIL PROTECTED] SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.lonestar.org +-+ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
re: int-fiction-installer
Okay, what should I read to build the int-fiction-installer package in conformance to current debian policy? There's no doubt stuff online, but I have found Krafft's /The Debian System/ to be a really useful book, and its long chapter 9 is all about building packages. +-----+ Glenn Becker - [EMAIL PROTECTED] SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.lonestar.org +-+ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: source code editor
vi (vim) is lighter then emacs and many think it is also better i am more and more of a vi-head and altho i like vim quite a bit i am coming to prefer elvis - it sticks closer to original vi. glenn +-+ Dr. Glenn Becker - [EMAIL PROTECTED] SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.lonestar.org +-+ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Vi problems from recent upgrade
You should know that Vim behaves differently when invoked as vi then when invoked as vim. Therefore, you may want to use vim from now on. or use elvis. i have come to like elvis quite a lot. the debian install defaults to the elvis GUI, which i can take or leave, but i'm sure there is a way around that ... +-+ Dr. Glenn Becker - [EMAIL PROTECTED] SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.lonestar.org +-+ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
problems with syntax highlighting in vim
Apologies if this has been posted already. I am trying to use vim to edit some html files. Never had a problem setting the syntax before, but on my Debian install (testing), I get this when I am inside a simple index.html file and type the ex command: :syntax on Error detected while processing /usr/share/vim/vim64/syntax/syntax.vim: line 42: E216: No such group or event: filetypedetect BufRead Hit ENTER or type command to continue ... anyone else ever seen this? I checked out the file it was trying to process and yep, that directive is on line 42 ... I'm guessing it might be some vim support package I'm missing but if so I don't know why it wasn't downloaded as a dependency ... Thanks in advance for any pointers. Glenn +-+ [EMAIL PROTECTED] SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.lonestar.org +-+ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: how to pick fresh fruit.
A hollow watermelon? Who wants that? Why, the invaders who are /even now/ on their way to our vulnerable world, mwah hah hah, what /better/ place to hide? "Oh my God. It's full of seeds." - GB +-+ [EMAIL PROTECTED] SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.lonestar.org +-+ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mucked-up locale settings in testing FIXED
Well the fix turned out to be a mixture of Magnus' suggestions and running apt-get build-dep on locales. Thanks! Glenn +-+ [EMAIL PROTECTED] SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.lonestar.org +-+ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mucked-up locale settings in testing
Is the `locales` package installed?
I /believe/ it is ... in aptitude, "locales" is highlighted green, is
marked 'ciA' in the leftmost column and is taking up 11.2 MB if I am
reading the display correctly.
If I run 'apt-get install locales' I get a shower of unmet dependencies,
mostly for kdelibs4c2a and libqt3-mt. Then at the bottom of /that/ there
is the interesting message:
locales: Conflicts: base-config but 2.53.10 is to be installed
... after which it suggests (as the output also does at the top) I try
apt-get -f install with no package names or to specify a solution with
that command. I will try searching on that line to see what turns up.
When I run apt-get -f install, I get
Need to get 0B/84.9MB of archives.
After unpacking 43.5MB of additional disk space will be used.
Do you want to continue? [Y/n] y
perl: warning: Setting locale failed.
perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings:
LANGUAGE = "en_US:en_GB:en",
LC_ALL = (unset),
LANG = "en_US"
are supported and installed on your system.
perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C").
locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory
locale: Cannot set LC_MESSAGES to default locale: No such file or
directory
locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory
Extracting templates from packages: 100%
Preconfiguring packages ...
(Reading database ... 83659 files and directories currently installed.)
Preparing to replace kdemultimedia-kio-plugins 4:3.3.2-1 (using
.../kdemultimedia-kio-plugins_4%3a3.5.1-1_i386.deb) ...
Unpacking replacement kdemultimedia-kio-plugins ...
dpkg: error processing
/var/cache/apt/archives/kdemultimedia-kio-plugins_4%3a3.5.1-1_i386.deb
(--unpack):
trying to overwrite
`/usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/kioslave/audiocd.docbook', which is also in
package kdebase-kio-plugins
dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)
Errors were encountered while processing:
/var/cache/apt/archives/kdemultimedia-kio-plugins_4%3a3.5.1-1_i386.deb
E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
What a mess.
Regards,
Glenn
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mucked-up locale settings in testing
OK, it seems the time has come for me to confront one of those topics I've
never bothered with: locales. The reason is that it seems I have some
fouled up locale settings (I don't know how) and that this is preventing
my system from updating.
The system is an all-testing one, on a Dell laptop (Inspiron 4100). I have
five other operating systems functioning ok-to-great on this box. Also,
FWIW I am back using Debian after a few years' absence.
In my use of aptitude over the past couple of weeks, it downloads packages
and then kicks out for the install, and I get a number of occurrences
of this:
perl: warning: Setting locale failed.
perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings:
LANGUAGE = "en_US:en_GB:en",
LC_ALL = (unset),
LANG = "en_US"
are supported and installed on your system.
perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C").
locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory
locale: Cannot set LC_MESSAGES to default locale: No such file or
directory
locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory
Obviously, LC_ALL needs to be set and isn't ...
... then more badness sets in with this:
Preparing to replace kdemultimedia-kio-plugins 4:3.3.2-1 (using
.../kdemultimedia-kio-plugins_4%3a3.5.1-1_i386.deb) ...
Unpacking replacement kdemultimedia-kio-plugins ...
dpkg: error processing
/var/cache/apt/archives/kdemultimedia-kio-plugins_4%3a3.5.1-1_i386.deb
(--unpack):
trying to overwrite
`/usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/kioslave/audiocd.docbook', which is also in
package kdebase-kio-plugins
dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)
Errors were encountered while processing:
/var/cache/apt/archives/kdemultimedia-kio-plugins_4%3a3.5.1-1_i386.deb
E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
... which is immediately followed by a number of occurrences of this:
dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of kget:
kget depends on kdelibs4c2a (>= 4:3.5.1-1); however:
Package kdelibs4c2a is not installed.
kget depends on libqt3-mt (>= 3:3.3.5); however:
Package libqt3-mt is not installed.
... and then a long list of KDE packages that could not be installed. Now,
when this first happened I thought "ah, it's testing and it will
eventually clear up," but this hasn't happened. Plus, most of the stuff
above has the appearance -- to me anyway -- of an error cascade, with the
locale stuff as the first snowflake in the avalanche.
I've tried locale-setting commands from Debian Reference, but I seem to be
caught with them in a kind of Catch-22 where I can't set the locale
because the locale isn't set correctly. I suspect this is a simple problem
to fix (even though I don't know how it arose) ... can anyone help me
here?
Let me know if more details are necessary and I will provide them - and
apologies for the length of this message.
Regards,
Glenn Becker
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GRUB ... extended partition ... Windows XP
Hi All - I will try to make this short, but it feels like an epic at this point. :) I'm trying to create a 6-OS laptop (80gig hard drive on a Dell Inspiron 4100): WinXP, Debian and Slackware Linux, NetBSD, FreeBSD and Solaris 10 x86. My first try was with a primary partition for Windows and an extended partition w/ 5 logicals for the rest. The short version of what I encountered: GRUB did great autodetecting and booting WinXP, Debian and Slackware. Once I installed NetBSD, however, I found that the NetBSD bootloader did fine with WinXP and NetBSD but could not seem to boot either Linux system. Went back and forth with that a couple of times, then tried recasting the disk to an extended partition for WinXP, Debian and Slack (and swap space), then primary partitions for NetBSD, FreeBSD and Solaris; however, I didn't get far because this time around GRUB autodetected WinXP, Debian and Slackware fine, but will not boot Windows. What I get when I try is this: Booting Microsoft Windows XP Professional root (hd0,4) filesystem type unknown, partition type 0x7 savedefault makeactive Error 12: Invalid device requested ... which is sort of confusing to me. Unless I am mistaken, '0x7' /is/ the correct filesystem type. Plus, GRUB recognized the partition correctly upon installation. So I'm not sure what direction to take, though I've found a lot of various hints across the 'Net. The one oddity I am dealing with now is that somehow, after converting the Windows partition to extended/logical, I wound up with a small drib of a partition - 8mb - at the beginning of the disk ... which I never intended to create. Tried to boot Partition Magic and get rid of it, but failed. So I don't know whether that little partition-ette is causing problems, or whether Windows XP just doesn't like being on a logical partition ... If anybody has any good hints/advice, I would most appreciative. Thanks! Regards, Glenn Becker +-+ [EMAIL PROTECTED] SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.lonestar.org +-+ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: segmentation fault - XEphem
Wayne - > I am running xephem 3.5-2, from testing (I think), and it runs fine. > Suggest you use the CD for the Win version and just get the deb > package. This was a good suggestion, though I have the UNIX CD. :) CD version still works fine on my old laptop, which runs Slackware 8.1. What I did was uninstall, install the XEphem .deb, then copy the data files over from the CD. Works great now. Thx, Glenn -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
segmentation fault - XEphem
Hi - I can't pinpoint *exactly* when this problem began. I'm running testing (sarge) with a few unstable packages thrown in. Anyway, I installed the commercial/CD package of the XEphem astronomy program some months ago and have been happily running it since. Last week, however, I started getting a segmentation fault when I tried to run the program. Here is the output of a session I ran with gdb. I have little experience with gdb, and am of course going to continue to dig, but if anyone has any pointers based upon the following, I would appreciate any help. Thx, Glenn Becker chexmix@catbutt:~$ gdb `which xephem` gdb: Symbol `emacs_ctlx_keymap' has different size in shared object, consider re-linking GNU gdb 2002-04-01-cvs Copyright 2002 Free Software Foundation, Inc. GDB is free software, covered by the GNU General Public License, and you are welcome to change it and/or distribute copies of it under certain conditions. Type "show copying" to see the conditions. There is absolutely no warranty for GDB. Type "show warranty" for details. This GDB was configured as "i386-linux"...(no debugging symbols found)... (gdb) run Starting program: /usr/bin/xephem warning: shared library handler failed to enable breakpoint Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault. 0x082c241c in ?? () (gdb) where #0 0x082c241c in ?? () #1 0x082ecd8f in ?? () #2 0x082e2777 in ?? () #3 0x082c3893 in ?? () #4 0x082e28b3 in ?? () #5 0x082c42be in ?? () #6 0x082c3893 in ?? () #7 0x082c41b1 in ?? () #8 0x082bc7e2 in ?? () #9 0x082bd19f in ?? () #10 0x082bdbf3 in ?? () #11 0x082bd9eb in ?? () #12 0x0808572d in ?? () #13 0x08085652 in ?? () #14 0x08066905 in ?? () #15 0x08062637 in ?? () #16 0x080dd2e5 in ?? () #17 0x080dcbd2 in ?? () #18 0x0828c342 in ?? () (gdb) quit A debugging session is active. Do you still want to close the debugger?(y or n) y chexmix@catbutt:~$ exit -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
problem with Nethack 3.4.0
Hi - I wasn't sure whether it would be better to send this to nethack.org or to the Debian list ... anyhoo ... When I start Nethack in console, the basic movement commands h j k and l, etc, are being interpreted as the corresponding '#' commands ... e.g. #h #j #k #l. So that when I try to move using the 'j' command, for example, the game responds "You can't jump very far," or something similar. Just thought I'd send a msg to the list and see whether anyone else had encountered this. I'm not an experienced player, but like the game a lot. Thanks, Glenn -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What's a debian kid look like?
Thought I'd throw in mine: 40 - ack thpt! - yr old ex actor and present poet. Separated from second wife; no kids but a seeming multitude of cats. Have an M.F.A. in acting and a Ph.D. in Dramatic Arts ... by all rights, I should presently be teaching Theatre at some fine institution of higher learning but it just didn't happen. Instead, I started writing (I can't in all honesty say 'designing') websites back in 1995, which was my first contact with anything UNIX-y and with the idea that a computer could be more than a souped-up typewriter (despite my early love of the sciences and one assembly-language class back in high school in the mid-70s). Tried Linux, out of sheer massed interest, in late 1998 ... went from Slackware to SuSE to Debian, which I love for its purity and ease of use. I'm also running and greatly enjoying FreeBSD. Employed as an E-Business Manager at The United Way of New York City -- unfortunately an all-Windows house. Linux opened the box at my feet and showed me its wonders like nothing else before or since.
Re: Toshiba Satellite Pro 470CDT
> If the 470CDT is anything like my 460CDT, changing > the drive is very easy. thanks! i was looking around the 'Net and found some indications that i might need to buy an additional HD 'caddy' or somesuch ... and what with the holidays and all i'm fairly broke. :-) glenn
Toshiba Satellite Pro 470CDT
Hi, I won a replacement HD on eBay that is -supposed- to be compatible with an older laptop I have ... some months ago in a rare (for me) mixup of numerals I said on this list that this laptop was a Toshiba 740CDT, and got some helpful advice for how to access and replace the HD. It's actually a Toshiba Satellite Pro 470CDT, and sitting down to look at it (the drive arrived in the mail today) tonight, I realized I have no good idea how to get at the drive, to set about removing it and replacing it with the new one. Before I start, er, unscrewing anything, I was wondering whether anyone knew of a good resource for this sort of thing. I haven't found anything on the Toshiba website yet. Thanks, Glenn Becker
Re: XML editor/schema developer
> I just started working with the demo version of > XML Spy and it's pretty darned cool. Trouble > is, it's Windows-only and I'm trying to ultimately > eliminate the back-and-forthness of my desktop > environment. I futzed with XMLSpy for a time and agree: it's a nice product. > Can anyone recommend an equivalent (more or > less) package for Debian? The only thing like a 'nix IDE for XML I know of is XAE and I don't think it works with Schemas (yet). There -is- an XML editor for KDE called (of course) KXMLEditor, but I haven't seen it for Debian yet. I've got it install on the FreeBSD side of my box. Glenn Becker
df redux
All, Some time ago I posted to the list about strange 'leaps' in the disk usage reported by 'df'. The problem was eventually traced to an outsized .xsession-errors file. This happened to me again (as of last night, it seems - I wasn't really keeping track). The partition is roughly 15G, half of my HD. Usage went up to 100%, which I discovered when I tried to download my mail and failed. I looked for, found and deleted a giant-sized .xsession-errors file. Usage went down to 64% - better, but still far bigger than the 40% I'd sat at for weeks. When I went to the list archives to research this, I saw a note advising a poster not to -delete- said .xsession-errors file, but -empty- it instead, since deleting would only delete the filehandle if the thing was open for writing. I guess my question is - do I have gobs of filehandle-less stuff floating around on my system, now? And if so, how can I find it and get rid of it? NB I've tried the 'cruft' program to i.d. whatever might be taking up the sudden 24% of this 15G partition. 'cruft' spits out a 500MB file when I run it with no options. Thanks for any insight. Glenn
security updates
Hi all, On the strength of what I read re: getting security updates in the list archives, I put the following line in my /etc/apt/sources.list file: deb http://security.debian.org woody/updates main contrib non-free ... but all it generates when I apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade is 'Failed to fetch' and 404s. Is there a more up-to-date line for the security stuff? Thanks, Glenn
not-quite-trivial 'repeat' problem since upgrade
Hi, Sorry 'bout the vague subject line - I'm tired from watcing the Leonids last night. The problem I'm having (I can only guess a recent upgrade did it) is that in order to repeat-backspace -- or left/right/up/down arrow -- I have to press the particular key x number of times, rather than just hold it down. Which cd lead to carpal tunnel over time ... I'm on a mostly-testing box with some unstable apps. I checked in xkeycaps, which shows anyway that 'autorepeat' (the function I'd guuess would need to be true for this to work) is ON for all five of those keys. Is anyone else having this problem, or know how it could be resolved? Maybe I just need to better learn my key-commands? Thanks in advance Glenn
kdelibs3
Hi, all, I've been having some problems getting an upgrade to some of the new KDE packages, to wit ... kdelibs3. Have been getting the following error message upon trying to force things with 'apt-get -f install': Reading Package Lists... Building Dependency Tree... Correcting dependencies... Done The following extra packages will be installed: kdelibs3 1 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 19 not upgraded. 1 packages not fully installed or removed. Need to get 0B/6758kB of archives. After unpacking 5603kB will be used. Do you want to continue? [Y/n] (Reading database ... 160795 files and directories currently installed.) Preparing to replace kdelibs3 4:2.1.2-3 (using .../kdelibs3_4%3a2.2.1-14_i386.deb) ... Unpacking replacement kdelibs3 ... Replacing files in old package kdebase-libs ... dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs3_4%3a2.2.1-14_i386.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite `/usr/share/icons/hicolor/32x32/devices/3floppy_mount.png', which is also in package kdebase dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe) Errors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs3_4%3a2.2.1-14_i386.deb E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) Any ideas how to get beyond this? I'm stumped. Have been removing KDE apps one by one, but nothing seems to clear the way. Thanks, Glenn Becker
Re: vim 6.0 packages
Hi, I recently upgraded to Vim 6.0 on a mostly-testing system, and seem to have lost the ability to access Vim help. I caught part of a Vim 6.0 thread on here some weeks ago, but don't recall whether this was addressed. When I try to access Help I get the following: "help.txt.gz" [readonly][noeol] 8L, 3051C Error detected while processing BufRead Auto commands for "*.gz": E21: Cannot make changes, 'modifiable' is off E434: Cannot find tag pattern Hit Enter or type command to continue When I hit Enter, vim opens help.txt.gz, but not so it can be read by a human - it's a screen fulla junk. Is there an easy way to get this back? Although there's a good list of outstanding bugs for the vim package, I couldn't find this on it & am convinced I'm just being dunderheaded here. Thanks for any pointer(s). Glenn Becker
Vigor, anyone?
All, I guess because I'm a bit unwell, I wanted to install the joked-up version of vi (with M$ish paperclip assistant) called Vigor. I've been trying to download the unofficial .deb from the riva.ucam.org server linked off the Vigor author's page at red-bean.com, but I can't seem to raise a response ... anyone know of another place I can get this? Obviously, not a hi-priority thing. It just looked fun. Thx, Glenn Becker
a printer for Linux
Hi, I have lived w/o a printer both at home and at work for some time now. If I need anything printed I've done so from a Mac or Windows PC. Probably sheer laziness. Now, however, I want to do a bit of self-publishing (poetry), and I'm losing the printer tied to the Mac at home, so I will soon need to explore printing from my Debian box. As you can tell, I'm utterly clueless - what kind of a printer should I get? I'll be printing mainly formatted text documents (whether formatted in something like Abiword or something else, I haven't decided). Will any PC-compatible printer do? What are the considerations, here? Thanks in advance, Glenn Becker Online Producer, Community SCIFI.COM
aatv
Has anyone on the list used the aatv package to view ascii tv in a console window? Just a perverse hobbyist's question ... I'm kinda taken with the whole "ascii" phenom (ascii-Quake, y'know). I was specifically wondering how to *use* this thing ... how / where do you pick up the tv feed? Glenn Becker Online Producer, Community SCIFI.COM
keyboard problem
Hi, Am experiencing an odd problem with the keyboard -- specifically the arrow keys, it seems. Seems to be X-specific. In short, the keys don't "repeat" ... you have to strike the down arrow key, for example, 5 times to go down 5 lines rather than being able to simply hold the key down and let the cursor do the walking ... I guess this is in the realm of the annoying rather than life-threatening, but it does involve more wear and tear both on the keyboard and on the trusty carpals. I'm guessing from prior experience that this will involve using xmodmap ... probably xmodmap -e [something] but I'm lost as to what the [something] should be. If anyone has a quick answer for this or can point me to a reference, thanks in advance. I may have missed a thread on this - sorry if so, work has been nuts. Glenn Becker Online Producer, Community SCIFI.COM
X gone all goofy
Hi all, First time this has happened in some time, but after a fairly minor apt-get dist-upgrade, X no longer seems to want to work. I have attached the full output of the command (I don't know whether it is relevant), but the tail end of it is as follows: Could not init font path element /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo/, removing from list! Fatal server error: could not open default font 'fixed' When reporting a problem related to a server crash, please send the full server output, not just the last messages. This can be found in the log file "/var/log/XFree86.0.log". Please report problems to [EMAIL PROTECTED] X connection to :0.0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown). I did notice when I looked at the error output that the kernel is being reported as 2.2.18 ... I'm running 2.2.17! I guess that could cause problems, eh? Not sure why this discrepancy exists. Anyway, thanks to anyone who can shed light on this. Glenn Becker Online Producer, Community SCIFI.COM XFree86 Version 4.0.2 / X Window System (protocol Version 11, revision 0, vendor release 6400) Release Date: 18 December 2000 If the server is older than 6-12 months, or if your card is newer than the above date, look for a newer version before reporting problems. (See http://www.XFree86.Org/FAQ) Operating System: Linux 2.2.18 i686 [ELF] Module Loader present (==) Log file: "/var/log/XFree86.0.log", Time: Tue Apr 24 18:15:03 2001 (==) Using config file: "/etc/X11/XF86Config-4" Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting, (++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational, (WW) warning, (EE) error, (??) unknown. (==) ServerLayout "Simple Layout" (**) |-->Screen "Screen 1" (0) (**) | |-->Monitor "NEC" (**) | |-->Device "Voodoo3 (generic)" (**) |-->Input Device "Mouse1" (**) |-->Input Device "Keyboard1" (**) XKB: rules: "xfree86" (**) XKB: model: "pc101" (**) XKB: layout: "us" (**) FontPath set to "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc/,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/:unscaled,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/:unscaled,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1/,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo/,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/" (**) RgbPath set to "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/rgb" (==) ModulePath set to "/usr/X11R6/lib/modules" (--) using VT number 7 (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/fonts/libbitmap.a (II) Module bitmap: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.0.2, module version = 1.0.0 (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libpcidata.a (II) Module pcidata: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.0.2, module version = 0.1.0 (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libscanpci.a (II) Module scanpci: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.0.2, module version = 0.1.0 (II) Unloading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libscanpci.a (--) PCI:*(0:14:0) 3Dfx Interactive Voodoo3 rev 1, Mem @ 0xf400/25, 0xfc00/25, I/O @ 0x1000/8 (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libdbe.a (II) Module dbe: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.0.2, module version = 1.0.0 (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libextmod.a (II) Module extmod: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.0.2, module version = 1.0.0 (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/fonts/libtype1.a (II) Module type1: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.0.2, module version = 1.0.0 (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libglx.a (II) Module glx: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.0.2, module version = 1.0.0 (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libGLcore.a (II) Module GLcore: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.0.2, module version = 1.0.0 (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/tdfx_drv.o (II) Module tdfx: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.0.2, module version = 1.0.0 (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/input/mouse_drv.o (II) Module mouse: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.0.2, module version = 1.0.0 (II) TDFX: Driver for 3dfx Banshee/Voodoo3 chipsets: 3dfx Banshee, 3dfx Voodoo3, 3dfx Voodoo5 (--) Assigning device section with no busID to primary device (--) Chipset 3dfx Voodoo3 found (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libvgahw.a (II) Module vgahw: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.0.2, module version = 0.1.0 (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/linux/libint10.a (II) Module int10: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.0.2, module version = 1.0.0 (II) TDFX(0): Softbooting the board (through the int10 interface). (II) TDFX(0): Primary V_BIOS segment is: 0xc000 (II) TDFX(0): Softbooting the board succeeded. (
re:linux-books
If it's still available you might try Perl 5 Interactive Course
("certified edition") by Jon Orwant (TPJ editor). It's massive, unwieldy
and has that god-forsaken Waite busy layout. Not to mention the fact that
the "online interactive" tie-in no longer exists ... apart from that,
though, it's a pretty good intro to Perl 5. Orwant is a good tech writer.
Urk. I just checked Amazon.com and its op. But you might find a copy on
half.com.
Glenn Becker
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At 7:04pm on Sat, 21 Apr 2001, john smith wrote:
> While we are on the topic on linux books... Can anybody recommend a good
> newbie (non-programmer) book on perl? I've looked at learning perl but I
> wasn't impressed. it's not written for beginners like me. I am looking for
> a good starter book on that subject.
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Re: water, water everywhere, but not a drop to drink.
I have followed this discussion with great interest. It's been really lively! :-) I hardly consider myself to have achieved 'power user' status. I started with Slackware Linux in late 1998. At this time I never touch Windows and do not miss it. My initial reaction to what was -- I do not argue -- an avalanche of things-to-learn often *did* swing over to the "totally overwhelmed and frustrated" side of things; *however,* I did and still do feel that the *challenge* of overcoming the problems to the best of my abilities has been the most exciting and profitable learning experience I have ever enjoyed. I say this happily granting that it may not be for everyone. It especially may not be "right" if what you are doing is a Something that has to get done tomorrow. On the other hand, if what you're looking for is a new way to see and to use the box at your feet (or by your side, or ...) there is no better way to go that I know of ... it is truly transforming. This is not an apology for allusive, obfuscatory or even "bad" writing in docs. I've seen my share of that. But the soul of the experience (if I can use that crappy tattered word) is experiment: of trying things out and seeing what they do. I've not been nearly brave or smart enough, but my experience with various Linux-es, and especially Debian, has made me a much more effective do-er. Glenn Becker Online Producer, Community SCIFI.COM At 5:00pm on Wed, 11 Apr 2001, Kevin Stokes wrote: > >> imagine how much hair-pulling you'll save the next poor soul if > > you document what you learned... hmm?< > > > > Ahh, but I'm not a Linux or Free-Software devotee. > > This is where you lose the sympathy of a lot of people. You've identified > a problem and you want other people to spend their time and energy on it > but you're not willing to spend any yourself. Will suggested an eminently > sensible solution, you said you couldn't be bothered.< > > There are people who care deeply about Linux and Free Software. I am not > one of them. I wish Linux the best, but I'm not ready to invest hours of my > time writing doc. > > You may think of me a selfish bastard, because I want to use Linux, but I > don't want to help build it. My viewpoint is different. I thought the > Free Software people didn't want payment, but now I'm supposed to have a > guilt trip if I don't write doc? > > Or perhaps it is because I have a suggestion, that makes me a selfish > bastard? I'm hardly suggesting newbie doc because I expect somebody to > write it and give to me. By the time anybody had a decent Linux help system > done, I would either be enough of an expert to not need it, or have dumped > Linux a long time ago. > > As I said, I merely installed Linux on a resurrected computer that had > been retired as a lark. I'm not a devotee. However, it really struck me > that a crucial ingredient to Linux's success is missing. What I'm trying > to do is be helpful. Kind of like saying, 'Hey, pal, I don't know if you > noticed or not, but your boots are the wrong feet.' > > THe response might be. 'Shut up, you loser. I can wear my boots on my > hands if I want to.', or the response might be, 'So that's why my boots > haven't been that successful. They hurt my feet like crazy!'. In either > case, I wouldn't help the man take of his boots and put them on the right > way, and most men wouldn't want my help. > > Linux is painful for newbies, and there is no good reason for it. And > this hurts the acceptance of Linux.Anyway, I will now shut up about it. > Thanks again for all the time and energy you have spent helping me, and I > hope I have not earned a reputation as a pariah who is stupid, lazy and > selfish, since I will no doubt need more help... > > > Kevin Stokes > > > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >
Re: Lion Worm
Sorry, in my concern about this recent worm, I wrote too hastily. I just discovered through a search of the security mailing list archive that security updates are for stable *only*, and I'm running a testing box. Best, Glenn Becker Online Producer, Community SCIFI.COM At 10:14pm on Fri, 23 Mar 2001, Glenn Becker wrote: > > OK, I've tried adding this line via dselect *and* direct editing of the > source.list file ... and I get '404 file not found's for the security > stuff. What could I be doing wrong? > > I've fiddled with the security listing several times but still can't get > past the 404 upon apt-get update ... > > Glenn Becker > Online Producer, Community > SCIFI.COM > > At 8:43pm on 23 Mar 2001, John Hasler wrote: > > > Shawn Yarbrough writes: > > > Can anybody tell me if Debian's BIND is in danger from the Lion Worm? > > > > Not if you hsve put > > > > deb http://security.debian.org/ potato/updates main contrib non-free > > > > in your /etc/apt/sources.list and done > > > > apt-get update; apt-get upgrade > > > > recently. > > -- > > John Hasler > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Dancing Horse Hill > > Elmwood, Wisconsin > > > > > > -- > > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >
Re: Lion Worm
OK, I've tried adding this line via dselect *and* direct editing of the source.list file ... and I get '404 file not found's for the security stuff. What could I be doing wrong? I've fiddled with the security listing several times but still can't get past the 404 upon apt-get update ... Glenn Becker Online Producer, Community SCIFI.COM At 8:43pm on 23 Mar 2001, John Hasler wrote: > Shawn Yarbrough writes: > > Can anybody tell me if Debian's BIND is in danger from the Lion Worm? > > Not if you hsve put > > deb http://security.debian.org/ potato/updates main contrib non-free > > in your /etc/apt/sources.list and done > > apt-get update; apt-get upgrade > > recently. > -- > John Hasler > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Dancing Horse Hill > Elmwood, Wisconsin > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >
Debian and HP49G
I just got an HP49G calculator ... purchased the "PC Connectivity Kit" in a fairly clueless moment (clueless = not thinking that the included software might be Windoze-only). Have found *some* Linux - HP calc connection stuff on SourceForge, but was wondering if any Debian-ers are successfully shunting stuff back and forth from Debian to an HP48 or 49. Would be interested in ... how ... :-) Thanks, Glenn Becker Online Producer, Community SCIFI.COM
Re: Need Window Manager recommendation
Thanks for this recommendation. I just downloaded the uwm/ude combination and it is indeed awesome! Glenn Becker Online Producer, Community SCIFI.COM At 9:42pm on Thu, 8 Mar 2001, Matthew Sackman wrote: > On Thu, Mar 08, 2001 at 01:21:39PM -0700, Eric Richardson wrote: > > Eric Richardson wrote: > > > > > > Hi, > > > I just recently installed Debian 2.2r0 and did a apt-get update apt-get > > > dist-upgrade so I'm up to date on stable - I think. > > > > > > I loaded all the gnome stuff and the default display manager xdm and > > > window manager twm. I have since replaced xdm with gdm and I would like > > > to replace twm with one that is more fitting for use with gnome - > > > besides I don't really like it. I'm interested in stability and I don't > > > want it to take too much memory. > > > > > If you want something that is really fast, takes up very little memory and > is possible the most functional wm in existance then try ude and uwm. Once > I got the hang of the title-bar-less nature of this wm I have never looked > back. I know this sounds like a blatent plug, but it really is how I feel: > I've looked at kwm, xdm, fvwm, bb, window-maker, sawmill, but none are as > good in terms of functionality (IMO) as uwm. > > Try it. > > Matthew > > -- > > Matthew Sackman > Nottingham, > ENGLAND > > Using Debian/GNU Linux > Enjoying computing > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >
ssh in testing
Hey, We've been asked to switch over to ssh for remote connections here at my work. I was going to download the ssh package when I noticed it had one of those 'package not available' dependencies ... Is anyone using ssh under Debian, specifically testing? Thanks. Glenn Becker Online Producer, Community SCIFI.COM
Re: Need Window Manager recommendation
I use wmaker, blackbox and icewm kind of interchangeably, depending on my mood. No terribly deep reasons why: I like the ease of changing wmaker's look, the simplicity and cleanliness of blackbox and ... I don't know why I like icewm. :-) Glenn Becker Online Producer, Community SCIFI.COM At 10:19am on Thu, 8 Mar 2001, Eric Richardson wrote: > Hi, > I just recently installed Debian 2.2r0 and did a apt-get update apt-get > dist-upgrade so I'm up to date on stable - I think. > > I loaded all the gnome stuff and the default display manager xdm and > window manager twm. I have since replaced xdm with gdm and I would like > to replace twm with one that is more fitting for use with gnome - > besides I don't really like it. I'm interested in stability and I don't > want it to take too much memory. > > Thanks, > Eric :-) > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >
Re: Package quality
It is more an indication of the 'relevance' of that particular item returned by your search. So think 'quality' of the package vis-a-vis what the search engine is guessing you were looking for ... F'rinstance, if I enter "VRML" as a search string, the "vrweb" package (which has to do almost exclusively with VRML files) "rates" higher than the package "elvis" which is a vi-type editor with the ability to highlight, etc. VRML's .wrl files (but does a lot of other things as well). Glenn Becker Online Producer, Community SCIFI.COM At 10:23am on Mon, 5 Mar 2001, Ray Percival wrote: > When you search for a package it has a column for quality and this > has a percentage in it. What does that mean? I've just wondered > about this for awhile and just thought I'd ask. Thanks very much. > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >
Re: Mouse goes nuts in X
Have you tried killing gpm? From root, type killall gpm Glenn Becker Online Producer, Community SCIFI.COM At 12:55pm on Mon, 5 Mar 2001, Lars Knudsen wrote: > John McPeek wrote: > > > > Hi, > > As soon as I start X the mouse looks fine, sitting in the middle of the > > screen. The moment I move it the cursor jumps to the top left and other than > > bouncing around and jumping back to the corner I can't get it to do > > anything. I have already tried different mice(PS2) wheel mouse and a optical > > wheel mouse. I tried X config also. Any Ideas? > > Sound very much like X is configured for the wrong mouse protocol. Have > a look in /etc/X11/XF86Config or /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 and look for > Protocol "protocol_this_or_that" and verify that the protocol is the > one your mouse uses. > > Happy hacking, > > \Gandalf > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >
xa+cv, mozilla instabillity et al: SOLVED?
All, I appealed to some users on the debian-chinese-big5 list re: my questions about locales, etc ... mainly why, since I had reset all locale values to the default "C" value, I was still seeing character replacement in Netscape, etc (specifically, Chinese characters getting plopped in where other international/diacritically marked/etc characters were). Info from Anthony Fok (see below), who maintains many Debian Chinese packages, led me to look in my ~./xsession file, where I found the line exec xa wmaker ... so apparently either the package xa+cv or cpanel (Debian Chinese Panel) placed the xa part of this line in .xsession. As it turns out now that I have stripped this out, I notice that I no longer have the problem in Mozilla (as well as many other programs) that interacting with the program -- entering text in the address line of the Mozilla browser, for example -- killed the program. I can even get some programs to run from menu that were not working before - the game bzflag for example. So it seems that this addition to the .xsession file was a major impediment. Seems like a bit of a bug to me! Glenn Becker Online Producer, Community SCIFI.COM At 1:30pm on Sat, 3 Mar 2001, Anthony Fok wrote: > On Sat, Mar 03, 2001 at 02:46:29PM -0500, Glenn Becker wrote: > > When I /bin/su root and killall xa or xa+cv, I get the message "no process > > killed" from the system. However, when I killall cv, X goes away and I am > > back in pure console. > > > > Further, when I dpkg --purge xa+cv, this seems to 'wreck' my X > > configuration. startx dies ... I haven't looked into the details *yet,* I > > simply reinstalled xa+cv. > > If my guess is correct, check your ~/.xsession file. See if "xa" or "cv" > is loaded there. IIRC, xa is for communicating with xcin2.3 > (kind of like an Xcin Agent?), and cv is for Chinese Viewing (?), i.e. it > intercepts X's display and change the high-bit characters to Chinese no > matter what, kind of like TwinBridge, NanjiStar, Unionway etc. on Windows. > > Anthony > > -- > Anthony Fok Tung-LingCivil and Environmental Engineering > [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]University of Alberta, Canada >Debian GNU/Linux Chinese Project -- http://www.debian.org/intl/zh/ > Come visit Our Lady of Victory Camp -- http://www.olvc.ab.ca/ > >
Debian site down?
Wondering if anyone else is finding the main Debian site inaccessible this afternoon ... It's been hours since I've been able to pull up the site and I was hoping it was not just me ... Glenn Becker Online Producer, Community SCIFI.COM
Re: i18n and fonts
> What's the output of the following: > > $ locale LANG=C LC_CTYPE="C" LC_NUMERIC="C" LC_TIME="C" LC_COLLATE="C" LC_MONETARY="C" LC_MESSAGES="C" LC_PAPER="C" LC_NAME="C" LC_ADDRESS="C" LC_TELEPHONE="C" LC_MEASUREMENT="C" LC_IDENTIFICATION="C" LC_ALL=C ... this is what I set it to with the command export LC_ALL="C" Glenn > > Cheers. > > -- > Karsten M. Self http://kmself.home.netcom.com/ > What part of "Gestalt" don't you understand? There is no K5 cabal > http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/ http://www.kuro5hin.org >
new domain name
I just purchased my first domain name. Is there an efficient way to change the name of my system from the rather ignorantly assigned name I gave it at install to the new domain name? Thx, Glenn Becker Online Producer, Community SCIFI.COM
Re: Eek! X won't go away!
Thanks. Good point indeed! Glenn Becker Online Producer, Community SCIFI.COM At 4:55pm on Tue, 27 Feb 2001, MaD dUCK wrote: > also sprach Glenn Becker (on Tue, 27 Feb 2001 04:14:48PM -0500): > > I don't really know what the purpose of xdm is. There are packages to > > 'prettify' it, but I just object to the whole thing. :-) > > well, do consider a console login and a 'startx', xlock running and > you out on lunch break, while i come into your office, hit > ctrl-alt-del, and scp all your confidential docs to me so that i can > then exploit all this knowledge... sure you'd find out, but then it's > too late. > > so if you dislike xdm, at least set NoZap in XF86Config! > > martin > > [greetings from the heart of the sun]# echo [EMAIL PROTECTED]:1:[EMAIL > PROTECTED]@@@.net > -- > "there are more things in heaven and earth, horatio, > than are dreamt of in your philosophy." > -- hamlet > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >
Re: Eek! X won't go away!
I don't really know what the purpose of xdm is. There are packages to 'prettify' it, but I just object to the whole thing. :-) Glenn Becker Online Producer, Community SCIFI.COM At 9:12pm on Tue, 27 Feb 2001, Gavin Hamill wrote: > On Tue, 27 Feb 2001, Glenn Becker wrote: > > > It sounds like you have xdm running. I don't much like it either - it is > > difficult to get to pure console with that thing in the way. > > You're quite right I do indeed have xdm running, and had already noticed > the problem vanished when xdm did, but I assumed it had some vital > functionality for X that I wasn't aware of... > > But I'll be sure to blat it from startup completely :) > > What purpose does it serve anyway? > > Thanks! > > Regards, > > Gavin, > >
Re: Eek! X won't go away!
It sounds like you have xdm running. I don't much like it either - it is difficult to get to pure console with that thing in the way. As a temp fix you can /bin/su root and run killall xdm. this will blow away X and take you to console login. If you want it never to show up again, you should K out the service in whichever of the /etc/rcX.d/ folders it is in. I assume /etc/rc2.d/, but I'm not sure. Glenn Becker Online Producer, Community SCIFI.COM At 8:59pm on Tue, 27 Feb 2001, Gavin Hamill wrote: > I have a MOST bizarre and interesting problem at the moment! > > After my 'unstable' machine boots.. about 2 minutes later, X will start > up, with an xconsole in the corner showing 'dmesg' output, and a simple > graphical login prompt in the centre of the screen forces a login before > anything else can be done... > > If I try and kill X with Ctrl-Alt-Backspace, it immediately reloads... > > This one has foxed me completely!! > > Any ideas? > > Kind regards, > > Gavin. > > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >
Re: Mozilla instability - followup
I ran this command on the advice of someone in the #debian channel on openprojects.net ... it *did* clear out preferences, etc, but the problem remained ... it does appear to have something to do with the way the w manager menu is calling mozilla. It operates beautifully from the command line. Glenn Becker Online Producer, Community SCIFI.COM At 4:08am on Mon, 26 Feb 2001, Ethan Benson wrote: > On Mon, Feb 26, 2001 at 05:02:56AM -0800, Xucaen wrote: > > Hi. I just installed mozilla off my debian 2.2r2 > > CD's. I ran it for the first time from xterm, and > > while I was using it, it just dissapeared, just > > like you mentioned. the error in the xterm window > > said "segmentation" error and gave some > > numbers... > > it hasn't happened since (it's only been a day) > > I'm using FVWM window manager, X 3.3.6 > > rm -rf ~/.mozilla > > -- > Ethan Benson > http://www.alaska.net/~erbenson/ >
Re: Mozilla instability - followup
I thought it might be a good idea to see if I could get an error output for this problem, so tried firing up Mozilla from the command line - to my surprise, the browser worked fine when invoked this way! I could enter addresses in the location bar without the browser crashing on me. However, the problem re-appeared when I opened Mozilla with wmaker or blackbox menus. So: there is a way to avoid the problem, but I'd still like to know *why* this happens and if there is a way to fix it. It's in the mildly-annoying-but-why-does-it-happen camp. Glenn Becker Online Producer, Community SCIFI.COM At 10:35pm on Sat, 24 Feb 2001, Glenn Becker wrote: > > Recently I have developed an odd problem with Mozilla - unfortunate, since > I'd pretty much decided to drop Netscape and go with Mozilla as my browser > of choice. > > Whenever I try to interact with Mozilla at all, whether it's entering a > new address in the location field or filling out a form, doing so blows > the app away. It just disappears. I attempt to put the cursor in the > location field, hit backspace and the whole thing goes away. > > Why would this happen? Mozilla hasn't upgraded in some time, so I can only > assume it's something else that came in over an apt-get dist-upgrade. > > Thanks, > > Glenn Becker > Online Producer, Community > SCIFI.COM > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >
Mozilla instability
Recently I have developed an odd problem with Mozilla - unfortunate, since I'd pretty much decided to drop Netscape and go with Mozilla as my browser of choice. Whenever I try to interact with Mozilla at all, whether it's entering a new address in the location field or filling out a form, doing so blows the app away. It just disappears. I attempt to put the cursor in the location field, hit backspace and the whole thing goes away. Why would this happen? Mozilla hasn't upgraded in some time, so I can only assume it's something else that came in over an apt-get dist-upgrade. Thanks, Glenn Becker Online Producer, Community SCIFI.COM
i18n and fonts
This is in the way of a partial followup to an earlier query of mine about locales and locale definitions ... I managed to change LC_ALL back to what I understand to be the default value, "C" ... HOWEVER, I'm experiencing some weird substitutions in Netscape. Simple-ish international characters from languages like French and Spanish are being replaced by Chinese characters. A good example is the "This page is also available in the following languages" row at the bottom of the http://www.debian.org page. If is understood to represent a Chinese character, what I see on my screen instead of "Espanol" is "Espal" ... and what I see instead of "Francais" is "Franis". This even appears when I view source for the page. It seems that pairs of characters are being interpreted as Chinese, which makes sense when you realize that Asian character sets are double-byte. But why is this replacement happening, and how can I keep it from happening? Thanks in advance for any enlightenment. I will cross post on some of the i18n lists. Glenn Becker Online Producer, Community SCIFI.COM
Re: [Q] How to remove a broken package
Hi, I had these exact problems with four of the "arphic" font packages. Finally filed a bug report against them and got a nice response from the maintainer. In order for these things to get installed properly you will need to install the package xutils. Then I'd guess you could remove them, too. Hope that works for you. Glenn Becker Online Producer, Community SCIFI.COM At 3:53pm on Tue, 20 Feb 2001, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > hi, > I am in deep trouble with managing packages. I could not remove > a package which is in the status of half-installed. When I try to > remove it by dpkg -r or dselect I get a error message as follows, > --- > dpkg: error processing tfm-arphic-bkai00mp (--remove): > Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should reinstall > it before attempting a removal. > --- > But when I try to reinstall it I get "Sorry, tfm-arphic-bkai00mp is > already the newest version." and the installation could not be completed. > What should I do? Thanks so much for any help! > > Regards, > > --Wen > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >
Re: port scare
Just a quick note to thank everyone for the input on this matter. It has *all* been very instructive - forced me to learn (or take another look at) how the system starts and *what* it starts, and so on. :-) Glenn Becker Online Producer, Community SCIFI.COM At 12:06pm on Sun, 18 Feb 2001, Osamu Aoki wrote: > Use ipchains ASAP. > > Going after all services are impossible when experimenting > unless you use this approach. > > I block all ports 1-1023 except ones I use for my connection to > cable modem by using ipchains on gateway machine. (See atached > script for details. This is "ipmasq -l" output. You can get > my script to harden ipmasq package from > www.aokiconsulting.com/pub/ipmasq-fw.tar.gz > It may require some manual editting but should give you good start.) > --- > FYI: My log has many unsuccessful atacks (excet known portscan on > NNTP by ISP), 21 ftp 111 sunrpc 53 nameserver (DNS) 510 ??? > 515 line printer spooler 109 POP version 2 are recent atttacks. > > I used to get netbios (137-139) connections but not recently. > Maybe ISP is blocking them for windoze clients??? > > You will be surprized how many of these comes in. > > Osamu > > PS: I allow telnet. Do not laugh pls. > > On Sun, Feb 18, 2001 at 02:00:47PM -0500, Glenn Becker wrote: > > solutions later, like ipchains/firewalls. > -- > + Osamu Aoki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, GnuPG-key: 1024D/D5DE453D + > + Fingerprint: 814E BD64 3288 40E7 E88E 3D92 C3F8 EA94 D5DE 453D + > + === http://www.aokiconsulting.com === Cupertino, CA USA === + > >
Re: port scare
Hi: I am down to this with nmap: Interesting ports on localhost (127.0.0.1): PortState Protocol Service 22 opentcpssh 111 opentcpsunrpc I K'd out S10portmap in the /etc/rc0.d/ directory, but port 111 is still open. I can remove portmap from /etc/init.d/, but how big a concern is this port? I've got hosts.deny set to repel anything not using ssh. And is it all right to keep 22 open like that? Apologies for the rushed questions, I just want a box secure enough to allow me to continue to experiment without worry. I can look into better solutions later, like ipchains/firewalls. Glenn Becker Online Producer, Community SCIFI.COM At 7:42pm on Sun, 18 Feb 2001, Roberto Diaz wrote: > > What is exactly cadlock at port 770? I know is has something to do with > sun rpc's.. what exactly is? > > Regards > > Roberto > > > Roberto Diaz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > http://vivaldi.dtts.net > Powered by ddt dynamic DNS > Powered by GNU running on a Linux kernel. > Powered by Debian (The real wonder) > > Concerto Grosso Op. 3/8 A minor > Antonio Vivaldi (so... do you need beautiful words?) > > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >
Re: port scare
Dave, Wow. As a matter of fact, I *am* running portsentry. I take it then that running portsentry is not in itself a risk ... Thanks for helping me avert my own coronary. ":-) Glenn Becker Online Producer, Community SCIFI.COM At 10:45am on Sun, 18 Feb 2001, Dave Sherohman wrote: > On Sun, Feb 18, 2001 at 10:32:58AM -0500, Glenn Becker wrote: > > What the hell *are* these things and how did they suddenly blast open > > after I had shut down all but three? I have changed nothing - and when I > > check inetd.conf and the other directories I edited, they are still the > > same. Ex: I commented out finger ages ago ... it's still commented out and > > yet now there's an open port. > > Well, either > > a) You've been cracked in a big way > > or > > b) You're running portsentry > > I suspect that b is the more likely case. portsentry works by listening on > otherwise unused ports and reporting any attempts to connect to them as > potential attacks. If you use it and you want to run a meaningful portscan > on your box, you should shut down portsentry while performing the scan. (One > of the sysadmins at my last job got an nmap result like that back and just > about had a heart attack. Then, after half an hour of trying to figure out > how the box had been cracked, he remembered portsentry...) > > -- > SGI products are used to create the 'Bugs' that entertain us in theatres > and at home. - SGI job posting > Geek Code 3.1: GCS d? s+: a- C++ UL++$ P++>+++ L+++> E- W--(++) N+ o+ > !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI D G e* h+ r y+ > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >
port scare
All, Not long after my last message to the list last night re: open ports, I was chatting on IRC and got an email message from logcheck re: a system attack. It appeared from the message that the attack had been repelled; however, now when I run nmap, I get this: Interesting ports on localhost (127.0.0.1): PortState Protocol Service 1 opentcptcpmux 11 opentcpsystat 15 opentcpnetstat 22 opentcpssh 25 opentcpsmtp 53 opentcpdomain 79 opentcpfinger 111 opentcpsunrpc 119 opentcpnntp 143 opentcpimap2 540 opentcpuucp 635 opentcpunknown 1080opentcpsocks 1524opentcpingreslock 2000opentcpcallbook 6667opentcpirc 12345 opentcpNetBus 12346 opentcpNetBus 31337 opentcpElite 32771 opentcpsometimes-rpc5 32772 opentcpsometimes-rpc7 32773 opentcpsometimes-rpc9 32774 opentcpsometimes-rpc11 What the hell *are* these things and how did they suddenly blast open after I had shut down all but three? I have changed nothing - and when I check inetd.conf and the other directories I edited, they are still the same. Ex: I commented out finger ages ago ... it's still commented out and yet now there's an open port. Thx, Glenn Becker Online Producer, Community SCIFI.COM
open ports remaining
All, I have been trying to secure my Debian box, which enjoys a DSL connection. I've been going through /etc/inetd.conf, commenting out services, and K'ing others in the /etc/rc2.d/, until what I have left is the following (output from nmap): Interesting ports on localhost (127.0.0.1): PortState Protocol Service 22 opentcpssh 25 opentcpsmtp 53 opentcpdomain 111 opentcpsunrpc So, the questions: I have read some about sunrpc in the list archives but have not found how to close the port; don't know what domain is, and am confused smtp is still there since I've commented out the line in inetd.conf ... I have set my hosts.deny to ALL EXCEPT sshd: ALL ... I guess then port 22 is not a concern? Thanks for any help with this. Trying (always!) to become a smarter user. Best, Glenn Becker Online Producer, Community SCIFI.COM
Re: broken gnucash in unstable
I have had this problem in testing ...
Glenn Becker
Online Producer, Community
SCIFI.COM
At 5:06pm on Fri, 16 Feb 2001, John M. Flinchbaugh wrote:
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Re: GPS
Even more, does anyone on list know of a good source for 'Linux laptops' now that both linuxlaptops.com and tuxtops.com seem to have suspended production? Glenn Becker Online Producer, Community SCIFI.COM At 1:41pm on Thu, 15 Feb 2001, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I was thinking of getting a GPS for my laptop. Does anyone know of one that > is Linux compatible, or have heard of someone that got one to work. If their > is one that works, is their software available,for Linux of course, that > would make it worth buying? > > Wayne
locales - curioser
All, I'm trying to learn how locales function in a Linux system. Sorry if these questions are elementary, but I'm having a hard time finding a basic level document that explains the role of locale definitions. I tried re-setting locale to what appears, anyway to be the default value, "C," by running this command from root: export LC_ALL="C" The problem: when I then run the locale command in console-only mode, it correctly displays the new value "C" throughout; however, when I run locale from an xterm session in a window manager, I get LANG=zh_TW.Big5 LC_CTYPE="zh_TW.Big5" LC_NUMERIC="zh_TW.Big5" LC_TIME="zh_TW.Big5" LC_COLLATE="zh_TW.Big5" LC_MONETARY="zh_TW.Big5" LC_MESSAGES="zh_TW.Big5" LC_PAPER="zh_TW.Big5" LC_NAME="zh_TW.Big5" LC_ADDRESS="zh_TW.Big5" LC_TELEPHONE="zh_TW.Big5" LC_MEASUREMENT="zh_TW.Big5" LC_IDENTIFICATION="zh_TW.Big5" LC_ALL=zh_TW.Big5 ... which is what I was getting before. My question would be: why is this the case? And how can I reset to default *everywhere*? Thanks, Glenn Becker Online Producer, Community SCIFI.COM
oddness with locales
All, Somehow my locale settings (which I don't really understand the relevance of, yet) got changed ... I believe through my use of a package in unstable, the "Debian Chinese Panel." I noticed I was getting a lot of Perl / locale warnings etc on apt-getting packages, so I started looking into the issue of locales. The output of the locale command on my system is as follows: LANG=zh_TW.Big5 LC_CTYPE="zh_TW.Big5" LC_NUMERIC="zh_TW.Big5" LC_TIME="zh_TW.Big5" LC_COLLATE="zh_TW.Big5" LC_MONETARY="zh_TW.Big5" LC_MESSAGES="zh_TW.Big5" LC_PAPER="zh_TW.Big5" LC_NAME="zh_TW.Big5" LC_ADDRESS="zh_TW.Big5" LC_TELEPHONE="zh_TW.Big5" LC_MEASUREMENT="zh_TW.Big5" LC_IDENTIFICATION="zh_TW.Big5" LC_ALL=zh_TW.Big5 Which is, I guess, a problem. I want to do work with Chinese characters, but these *all* shouldn't be set thus, I don't think. Is there an easy way to reset my locale settings? Thanks, Glenn Becker Online Producer, Community SCIFI.COM
Re: Mouse ...
there's another sig over four lines long. look out! :-) _ | // G l e n n B e c k e r| | // I don't wanna kill my china pig. | // -- Captain Beefheart | | // [EMAIL PROTECTED] | _| At 3:21pm on Mon, 12 Feb 2001, Danilo C. M. Marques wrote: > Hello for everyone ! > > I have a Genius three button serial mouse. I'm running both gpm > and X but the mouse NO WORKS neither console or X. I already tried to > manipulate the gpmconfig (yeah, I already looked at man's > pages) unsuccessfully ! > > I'm very grateful for any help, > > -- > #-##-##-##-##-##-##-##-##-##-##-##-##-##-##-##-##-##-##-# > #- Danilo Caio Marcucci Marques -# > #- Instituto de Fisica/UFF -# > #- Av. Litoranea, s/n-# > #- Boa Viagem - Niteroi -# > #-Web: http://www.if.uff.br/~danpos-# > #-##-##-##-##-##-##-##-##-##-##-##-##-##-##-##-##-##-##-# > > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >
Re: today's Q from the 'net-dunce :-)
haaa. sorry 'bout that. first complaint i've had. _ | // G l e n n B e c k e r| | // I don't wanna kill my china pig. | // -- Captain Beefheart | | // [EMAIL PROTECTED] | _| At 4:22pm on Mon, 12 Feb 2001, Gregor Anders wrote: > > Hallo Glenn Becker, > > > All, > > Just wondering, if I have a multi-OS setup, does each system have to have > > its own IP #? Only one will ever be up and running at a time ... > > > > _ > > | > > // G l e n n B e c k e r| > > | > > // I don't wanna kill my china pig. | > > // -- Captain Beefheart | > > | > > // [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > | > > _| > ---end quoted text--- > > if your OS will not run at the same time, ech on can have the same IP. > What aboout makeing your footer smaller ???! ;) > > -- > Bye > Gregor Anders > |---| > | eMail: Gregor Anders <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ---| > |Key fingerprint: 7131 4011 6D79 5467 F073 BDA1 C55E 8584 7860 C7DE| > |get my GPG-key from: wwwkeys.de.pgp.net - KeyID: 0x7860C7DE| > |---| >
today's Q from the 'net-dunce :-)
All, Just wondering, if I have a multi-OS setup, does each system have to have its own IP #? Only one will ever be up and running at a time ... G _ | // G l e n n B e c k e r| | // I don't wanna kill my china pig. | // -- Captain Beefheart | | // [EMAIL PROTECTED] | _|
Re: apt-get wants to remove gnucash!?
I don't know re: this problem precisely, but I had no end of trouble *installing* gnucash to a testing box. Lots of dependency problems. g _ | // G l e n n B e c k e r| | // I don't wanna kill my china pig. | // -- Captain Beefheart | | // [EMAIL PROTECTED] | _| At 9:53pm on Mon, 12 Feb 2001, Jonathan David Wheelhouse wrote: > Hi > > Needless to say I _don't_ want gnucash removed but the following seems > to be a mistake in dependencies. > > I've cut other bits out that seem to be irrelevant. > > apt-get dist-upgrade says > The following packages will be REMOVED: > gnucash guile1.3 libguile6 libguile6-slib libguile9-dev libguppi-dev > > dselect reveals > > gnucash depends on guile1.3 > ... > gnucash depends on libguile9 (>= 1.4-6) > > guile1.3 depends on libguile6 > > libguile9 conflicts with libguile6 > > Does anyone have any ideas? > > Jonathan > > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >
kernel compilation guide?
All, I try to tune in to any discussions of how to compile a new / custom kernel on the list, but I was wondering ... is there a convenient doc on how to do this the Debian way? I am currently running 2.2.17 & don't feel any great *need* to upgrade/date, but would like the know-how. Thx, Glenn _ | // G l e n n B e c k e r| | // I don't wanna kill my china pig. | // -- Captain Beefheart | | // [EMAIL PROTECTED] | _|
RE: domain setup & email/DSL:followup
thanks! i have the numeric ip. it's the rest i guess i need to do. ok, tho ... look out, here comes another bonehead Q! i swear i remember being asked to supply the name -- or even domain name -- of my system when i did the Debian installation/setup. would it have been ok at that point to have named my machine "joe_bltsflk" or "HAL" or just plain "localhost" if i had no intention of running a webserver or having "my own" email address? perhaps that question can simply be ignored during setup. or can domain names in that sense be self-assigned - that is if they have no relevance outside the particular machine? it doesn't sound right ... i apologize for continuing to rattle at such a low level. it is helping, believe it or not. thank you! g _ | // G l e n n B e c k e r| | // I don't wanna kill my china pig. | // -- Captain Beefheart | | // [EMAIL PROTECTED] | _| At 11:07am on Fri, 9 Feb 2001, George Wright wrote: > glennbecker.net will have to hook up w/a "real" ip address if you > want to use it outside of your own lan. > > First you need an isp to assign you a static ip address, then you > can register glennbecker.net and have that name point to the ip > address assigned to you by the isp. > > Once it's registered it may take a few days to proliferate to the > various DNS's, but you'll be in business. > > No expert here, but HTH, George > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Glenn Becker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 11:01 AM > > To: Debian Users List > > Subject: Re: domain setup & email/DSL:followup > > > > > > > > ok, > > > > i'm feeling a bit silly for having mailed the list on this > > topic ... but i > > guess i'd be worse off if i just remained blissfully > > ignorant, right? :-) > > > > i must risk further embarrassment or learn nothin.' > > > > very simply: if i *choose* a domain name -- glennbecker.net > > is available, > > i find -- and register it, then change the name of my system, > > that should > > solve most of if not all the problems - am i right? > > > > it was in retrospect NOT logical in any way for me to have named this > > machine "debian.atomcam.com" since atomcam.com is registered > > to my wife > > and the actual MACHINE(S) hosting that domain are in no way > > anywhere near > > me but are in fact warped.net machines. > > > > someone just tell me whether i'm getting warmer or colder ... > > > > thx > > > > g > > __ > > ___ > > > >| > > // G l e n n B e c k e r > >| > > > >| > > // I don't wanna kill my china pig. > >| > > // -- Captain Beefheart > > | > > > >| > > // [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >| > > __ > > ___| > > > > At 9:54am on Fri, 9 Feb 2001, Glenn Becker wrote: > > > > > > > > All, > > > > > > I'm wondering if I made an error when I initially set up my > > > machine. > > > > > > My wife runs a webcam site at www.atomcam.com. The site is > > hosted by a > > > company called warped, and our DSL service is provided by another > > > company (the whole DSL thing is something I know v. little -- in a > > > technical sense -- about). We have a cluster of 5 static > > IPs and I use one > > > of them, the other four being for the cams, some of which > > have their own > > > internal IP addresses. > &
Re: domain setup & email/DSL
thanks! i'm at such a low level with this stuff that i am unclear on what DNS hosting 'really is.' :-) sometimes i don't know how i do anything ... and i also find myself wondering about the apache setup i currently have running (mostly for the sake of future experimentation - i haven't done anything with it yet)... under the setup you describe, would it have a non-numeric address for the outside world? it couldn't be www.atomcam.com because that's the wife's site! typing in the numeric ip or localhost gets me to the default page fine, of course. maybe i need to read up on DNS ... :-S g _ | // G l e n n B e c k e r| | // I don't wanna kill my china pig. | // -- Captain Beefheart | | // [EMAIL PROTECTED] | _| At 11:07am on Fri, 9 Feb 2001, b3 wrote: > Glenn Becker wrote: > > > When I set up my Debian box, I named it debian.atomcam.com, which seemed > > logical at the time. I have since changed the numeric IP (we switched DSL > > providers when it turned out the former one had NOT BEEN PAYING THEIR > > BILLS to Covad ...) but have kept the debian.atomcam.com name. > > > > My networking-totally-ignorant question is: can I just "take" this name > > like this and assign it to my machine and "expect" things to > > work? Telnetting out (and *in* from outside when I use numeric IP) works > > fine, as do surfing, etc. But I have been trying to set up email -- I > > supposedly have a POP account with warped, for one -- and having no luck. > > Hi Glenn! > > What needs to happen for this to work, is that you need to have the 'A' > record for 'debian.atomcam.com' pointed to the ip of the machine in > question, in your DNS configs =) I'm doing the same thing with a new > domain I registered through Dotster (who does user-controlled DNS > hosting for an extra $10/year) - I don't have 'www' defined yet, nor do > I have an 'MX' record (still negotiating the hosting details) - but the > 'A' records I set up for my laptop and desktop machine are working > beautifully. > > I'd get in contact with whomever does your DNS hosting, and ask them to > add the record for you - it shouldn't be a big deal in most cases. > > Then, once you have name resolution, set up sendmail/exim on that > machine to report 'atomcam.com' as the domain, rather than > 'localdomain'. (someone posted yesterday with how to do this in exim) > > Hopefully this will help! > > -b3 >
Re: domain setup & email/DSL:followup
ok, i'm feeling a bit silly for having mailed the list on this topic ... but i guess i'd be worse off if i just remained blissfully ignorant, right? :-) i must risk further embarrassment or learn nothin.' very simply: if i *choose* a domain name -- glennbecker.net is available, i find -- and register it, then change the name of my system, that should solve most of if not all the problems - am i right? it was in retrospect NOT logical in any way for me to have named this machine "debian.atomcam.com" since atomcam.com is registered to my wife and the actual MACHINE(S) hosting that domain are in no way anywhere near me but are in fact warped.net machines. someone just tell me whether i'm getting warmer or colder ... thx g _ | // G l e n n B e c k e r| | // I don't wanna kill my china pig. | // -- Captain Beefheart | | // [EMAIL PROTECTED] | _____| At 9:54am on Fri, 9 Feb 2001, Glenn Becker wrote: > > All, > > I'm wondering if I made an error when I initially set up my > machine. > > My wife runs a webcam site at www.atomcam.com. The site is hosted by a > company called warped, and our DSL service is provided by another > company (the whole DSL thing is something I know v. little -- in a > technical sense -- about). We have a cluster of 5 static IPs and I use one > of them, the other four being for the cams, some of which have their own > internal IP addresses. > > When I set up my Debian box, I named it debian.atomcam.com, which seemed > logical at the time. I have since changed the numeric IP (we switched DSL > providers when it turned out the former one had NOT BEEN PAYING THEIR > BILLS to Covad ...) but have kept the debian.atomcam.com name. > > My networking-totally-ignorant question is: can I just "take" this name > like this and assign it to my machine and "expect" things to > work? Telnetting out (and *in* from outside when I use numeric IP) works > fine, as do surfing, etc. But I have been trying to set up email -- I > supposedly have a POP account with warped, for one -- and having no luck. > > I don't expect the list to hold my hand and teach me networking, but if > anyone can point me toward a good set of documents, I'd be > grateful. If nothing else it sort of frightens me that this machine > may be a sitting duck, security wise. And I hate being ignorant! :0) > > Thanks, > > Glenn > _ > | > // G l e n n B e c k e r| > | > // I don't wanna kill my china pig. | > //-- Captain Beefheart | > | > // [EMAIL PROTECTED] | > _| > > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >
domain setup & email/DSL
All, I'm wondering if I made an error when I initially set up my machine. My wife runs a webcam site at www.atomcam.com. The site is hosted by a company called warped, and our DSL service is provided by another company (the whole DSL thing is something I know v. little -- in a technical sense -- about). We have a cluster of 5 static IPs and I use one of them, the other four being for the cams, some of which have their own internal IP addresses. When I set up my Debian box, I named it debian.atomcam.com, which seemed logical at the time. I have since changed the numeric IP (we switched DSL providers when it turned out the former one had NOT BEEN PAYING THEIR BILLS to Covad ...) but have kept the debian.atomcam.com name. My networking-totally-ignorant question is: can I just "take" this name like this and assign it to my machine and "expect" things to work? Telnetting out (and *in* from outside when I use numeric IP) works fine, as do surfing, etc. But I have been trying to set up email -- I supposedly have a POP account with warped, for one -- and having no luck. I don't expect the list to hold my hand and teach me networking, but if anyone can point me toward a good set of documents, I'd be grateful. If nothing else it sort of frightens me that this machine may be a sitting duck, security wise. And I hate being ignorant! :0) Thanks, Glenn _ | // G l e n n B e c k e r| | // I don't wanna kill my china pig. | // -- Captain Beefheart | | // [EMAIL PROTECTED] | _|
Re: linuxconf/changing IP setup ...
wow, thanks, all - i made changes to /etc/network/interfaces and got right on! away goes linuxconf! G _ | // G l e n n B e c k e r| | // I don't wanna kill my china pig. | // -- Captain Beefheart | | // [EMAIL PROTECTED] | _| At 10:46pm on Thu, 8 Feb 2001, MaD dUCK wrote: > also sprach Glenn Becker (on Thu, 08 Feb 2001 10:39:10PM -0500): > > Someone in the #Debian channel on openprojects.net mentioned the linuxconf > > package, which I unf did not have installed. I finally got it installed > > (from CD) but it so far has not allowed me to connect out (I'm on the > > wife's Mac typing this, how embarassing ...heh). > > don't use linuxconf, it's among the worst things ever produced for > linux. instead, do a > > man interfaces > > and configure /etc/network/interfaces accordingly... > > martin > > [greetings from the heart of the sun]# echo [EMAIL PROTECTED]:1:[EMAIL > PROTECTED]@@@.net > -- > "it's not easy, being green." > -- kermit the frog >
linuxconf/changing IP setup ...
All, OK, I feel very silly. I believe there was a post to the list on the subject of changing one's IP post-installation, but I didn't think I'd need it, so I deleted it. Anyhoo, we wound up having to change DSL providers, so I got a brand new IP, subnet mask, default gateway and DNS #s tonight. Unf. I could find files (/etc/hosts) that cited the IP#, but nothing that referenced the others. Someone in the #Debian channel on openprojects.net mentioned the linuxconf package, which I unf did not have installed. I finally got it installed (from CD) but it so far has not allowed me to connect out (I'm on the wife's Mac typing this, how embarassing ...heh). linuxconf keeps reporting errors after I commit to the changes I make. I noticed that even after I'd *made* these changes, the IP # in /etc/hosts was still the *old* one, so something appears not to be happening. Has anyone else had trouble with this program? Is there an easier way to re-work my networking setup? Are there a limited # of files I have to edit and if so, what are they? I'll edit by hand and dump linuxconf. Please some one send me a copy of that recent post on this subject (I looked but can't find it in the archives) if it/its followups answer this question. I DON'T WANT TO REINSTALL my system if I don't have to! Thanks, apologies for the stressed tone. Glenn _ | // G l e n n B e c k e r| | // I don't wanna kill my china pig. | // -- Captain Beefheart | | // [EMAIL PROTECTED] | _|
Re: XFree 4.0 debs?
yes - i recently upgraded to testing and got xfree 4.0.2 in the process. g _ | // G l e n n B e c k e r| | // I don't wanna kill my china pig. | // -- Captain Beefheart | | // [EMAIL PROTECTED] | _| At 6:19pm on 8 Feb 2001, Moritz Schulte wrote: > "francisco m . neto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > I'm looking for deb packages of XFree 4.0.2, and it doesn't > > seem to be under the testing tree, neither under the unstable one. > > I just checked, it _is_ packaged (also in testing). > > moritz > -- > Moritz Schulte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.chaosdorf.de/moritz/ > Debian/GNU supporter - http://www.debian.org/ http://www.gnu.org/ > GPG fingerprint = 3A14 3923 15BE FD57 FC06 B501 0841 2D7B 6F98 4199 > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >
Re: i810 in testing
Alvin, Thx for the info. In short I'm wanting to remove SuSE 6.4 from my work box and slap Debian on it, since SuSE has come to look ... pretty pale compared to my Debian setup at home. I originally moved to SuSE from Slack bec. I was totally inexperienced and the support for i810 on SuSE was rumored to be pretty complete and friendly, which it was. I'm still totally inexperienced, but want my Debian, and the tech folks here are amenable as long as they don't have to spend time helping me! G _ | // G l e n n B e c k e r| | // I don't wanna kill my china pig. | // -- Captain Beefheart | | // [EMAIL PROTECTED] | _| At 2:17am on Thu, 8 Feb 2001, Alvin Oga wrote: > > hi ya glenn.. > > what kind of i180 testing are you doing/planning todo ??? > > if get X11 up and running...for i810 or i815 chip sets... > > w/ XFree-3.3.x you do need that agpgart and XFCom_i810 driver > w/ XFree-4.x i think it works out of the box > 5 minutes work or so to get X11 up and about... > > what out for /etc/X11/X and /usr/X11R6/bin/X > ( make sure it points to the right places ) > > have not tested under debian...but works okay/reasonable on > the other guys boxes.. > > have fun > alvin > http://www.linux-1U.net ... > > > On Wed, 7 Feb 2001, Glenn Becker wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > > > I'm strongly considering switching over to Debian at work ... but my > > machine here has one of those evilish Intel i810 video jobs ... any > > reports of success or failure with this chip and X in testing? > > > > I found a few things in the list archives but they were sort of > > inconclusive as far as testing goes. I don't mind fiddling with box, but > > here it's time sensitive as I have graphics work to do. So ... fiddlin' > > time is at a premium. > > > > Experience tells me getting this hardware to work with older versions of > > XFree requires the download and installation of a module by the name of > > agpgart.o ... I never had a whole lot of luck with it ... > > > > Thx, > > > > Glenn > > > > _ > > | > > // G l e n n B e c k e r| > > | > > // I don't wanna kill my china pig. | > > // -- Captain Beefheart | > > | > > // [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > | > > _| > > > > > > -- > > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >
RE: i810 in testing
o, god, whew. it's been a BAD day for my brain! so is the XFree support for i810 fairly seamless in v4? again, it's more needing to get this done fast bec of work constraints than an unwillingness to tinker. i'm dealing with a blecched SuSE box that carries most of the scars of my early days running Linux (e.g. last year). g _ | // G l e n n B e c k e r| | // I don't wanna kill my china pig. | // -- Captain Beefheart | | // [EMAIL PROTECTED] | _| At 1:20pm on Wed, 7 Feb 2001, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote: > > On 07-Feb-2001 Glenn Becker wrote: > > > > so ... the xfree86-common package in testing, which is apparently > > v. 4.0.2-1, isn't really XFree86 v.4 (or better than?)? the > > xserver-xfree86 package shows the same v. number in testing. i'm confused! > > > > sorry - i don't mean to be dense. i thought i was running 4. :-S > > > > and apparently you are (-: Sorry, I was not aware it made it in finally. >
RE: i810 in testing
so ... the xfree86-common package in testing, which is apparently v. 4.0.2-1, isn't really XFree86 v.4 (or better than?)? the xserver-xfree86 package shows the same v. number in testing. i'm confused! sorry - i don't mean to be dense. i thought i was running 4. :-S g _ | // G l e n n B e c k e r| | // I don't wanna kill my china pig. | // -- Captain Beefheart | | // [EMAIL PROTECTED] | _| At 12:56pm on Wed, 7 Feb 2001, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote: > > On 07-Feb-2001 Glenn Becker wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > I'm strongly considering switching over to Debian at work ... but my > > machine here has one of those evilish Intel i810 video jobs ... any > > reports of success or failure with this chip and X in testing? > > > > you must use XF4 if you want this to work. That is only in unstable right > now. > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >
i810 in testing
Hi, I'm strongly considering switching over to Debian at work ... but my machine here has one of those evilish Intel i810 video jobs ... any reports of success or failure with this chip and X in testing? I found a few things in the list archives but they were sort of inconclusive as far as testing goes. I don't mind fiddling with box, but here it's time sensitive as I have graphics work to do. So ... fiddlin' time is at a premium. Experience tells me getting this hardware to work with older versions of XFree requires the download and installation of a module by the name of agpgart.o ... I never had a whole lot of luck with it ... Thx, Glenn _ | // G l e n n B e c k e r| | // I don't wanna kill my china pig. | // -- Captain Beefheart | | // [EMAIL PROTECTED] | _|
Re: Window Manager trouble/Thanks
Problem finally resolved. I think what went wrong was that I did an apt-get remove on wmaker soon after upgrade, and emptied some of the directories *by hand* when I saw that they weren't going away (because not empty). In retrospect this was a boneheaded thing to do, but it seemed like a good idea at the time :ox I finally did a dpkg --purge on wmaker, then reinstalled, which did the trick. Thanks for the help and patience. Once again I have learned a bundle. G _ | // G l e n n B e c k e r| | // I don't wanna kill my china pig. | // -- Captain Beefheart | | // [EMAIL PROTECTED] | _| At 5:32pm on Sat, 3 Feb 2001, Erik Steffl wrote: > Glenn Becker wrote: > > > > OK, > > > > Here is what I get when I try to start WindowMaker into a vanilla X > > display: > > > > install: cannot stat `/etc/GNUstep/Defaults/WindowMaker': No such file or > > directory > > > > And indeed, there is no such file there. Which says to me that something > > is wrong with the wmaker installation; however, I have done apt-get remove > > on wmaker a few times, and nothing has changed. Weird. > > that's strange, on my system: > > jojda:~>dpkg -S /etc/GNUstep/Defaults/WindowMaker > wmaker: /etc/GNUstep/Defaults/WindowMaker > > and the file is indeed there. do you get any errors when trying to > install wmaker? did you try to purge it and then reinstall? what do you > get when you run the above dpkg command? > > there are quite a few active bugs against wmaker pacage, lot of them > over one year old, maybe it's not even maintained anymore? > > > fvwm is no longer a problem because there was just an upgrade in testing > > and the new package works ok. sawmill I may just have to live without. > > > > G > ... > > erik > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >
