Re: Help, OSX vs Linux
At 09:21 AM 10/6/2003, Karsten M. Self wrote: on Fri, Oct 03, 2003 at 03:11:50PM -0400, Dan Anderson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Total size with the install of Woody. the MySQL database, and the webconent for the two domains we host: 890 MB FWIW I've installed sub 150MB debian installs. 113 MiB ;-) ~250mb Redhat install for me (back in RH 5.0 days). Granted, it might have taken me 3-4x longer than others because I went through and hand-selected, or de-selected, every possible package I wanted or didn't want, but I'm a miser when it comes to disk space. :-) Of course, if I un-selected something required, it would get added back in automatically. Hall -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Debian-based distros ??
I've recently built a new box for myself and would like to put Linux back on it. I started with RH back between their 5.0 and 5.1 release, switched to Mandrake for a while, and have been running Debian (unstable) for a couple years or more. I'm tempted to take the easy way out and just add the old hard drive to my new machine and run things this way, but there's a few good reasons not to. 1) Old cruft I don't want to deal with. 2) New, fresh installs from scrath are always better. 3) The old hard drive is partitioned up between EXT3, Fat32, and Fat16 partitions. It is a 20gb drive total, with approx 10gb as EXT3 (and likely not even half-filled at that). So for me, wiping it clean and running all 20gb for Debian may be wasted space, but still the easiest to do. As mentioned, I ran Debian unstable for years with no problems. Why unstable ?? I often want newer versions of packages than stable provides... Why do 80% of unstable users use it ?? Probably the same. So, would people suggest sticking with pure Debian or possibly going with a Debian-based distro ?? If an off-shoot, which one ?? I'm looking at Knoppix's site right now... Thanks and regards Hall -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian-based distros ??
At 11:49 AM 10/6/2003, Karsten M. Self wrote: So, would people suggest sticking with pure Debian or possibly going with a Debian-based distro ?? If an off-shoot, which one ?? I'm looking at Knoppix's site right now... Knoppix aims to produce a bootable, runnable, fairly complete desktop system. It succeeds relatively well at this. Installing to HD is possible, but the mix of stable, unstable, testing, and other sources is somewhat ungodly. I sent this before I actually started *reading* Knoppix's page... :-) I guess I was thinking of Libranet instead, not Knoppix, espcially being that it normally runs off of a CD. I sure don't want that. Hall -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Fetchmail stuck on bad messages
At 09:59 PM 8/14/2003 -0700, Michael Epting wrote: I haven't changed any configuration files and I don't see any new fetchmail bugs, but I'm having big problems the last few days. Sid, fetchmail, exim3 (I've been meaning to upgrade to exim4, but I'm not going to do that when my mail is already broken.) snip This results in my not getting any mail. Actually, until today the problem seemed to be spam-related, but as you can see, this problem message is on debian-user. I thought it was odd that I rec'd NO messages to debian-user last night. This occurred somewhere between 5pm EST and 9 or 10pm EST. Then this morning, at work using Eudora, I had (70) or so messages (a relatively normal number) but many were not marked as new... Hall -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Obnoxious autoresponders was:Re: Out of Office AutoReply: how NOT to work with debian
* iain d broadfoot ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030811 04:12]: * Petrisor Marian ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: [an entirely blank message with a semi-informative subject line] This pisses me off majorly There's more important things in life... My d key deals with messages like his auto-response just fine -- and it doesn't affect me emotionally one bit. Hall -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Calif. cable ISP info-- RR or Earthlink??
* Kenward Vaughan ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030808 00:57]: Sorry 'bout the OT on the list, but my systems have Debian hearts. We are looking at roadrunner and earthlink as possible cable providers through Time Warner. Anyone able to comment on/compare them? Since they will be the same 99% on the network side, look at the benefits each offers. I know Earthlink gives you 8 e-mail addresses, but to some people, that has ZERO benefit. Earthlink is normally cheaper per month, so that's one definite plus in their favor. Finally, RR has been experimenting with monthly usage caps in a few markets (Nebraska, Western Ohio, and N Carolina). Currently, EL customers don't have these caps imposed on them. Yeah, that does sound rather biased, doesn't it ?? :) As you can see from my e-mail address, I send EL some $$$ each month. I've got DSL though, not cable. If I were to switch to cable, I'd most likely choose EL over RR. Hall -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: removed kde but remnants remain
At 04:25 PM 8/5/2003 -0500, Chris Cheney wrote: On Wed, Aug 06, 2003 at 04:23:37AM +0800, Dan Jacobson wrote: I recall I at one point removed kde from my system, however I still see # dpkg -l kde\*|grep ^i ii kdeaddons-doc- 3.1.2-1KDE add-ons documentation in HTML format ii kdeartwork-the 3.1.2-2icon themes released with KDE ii kdebase-data 3.1.2-1KDE Base (shared data) ii kdeedu-data3.1.2-1shared data for KDE educational applications ii kdegames-card- 3.1.2-2Card decks for KDE games ii kdelibs3-doc 2.2.2-14 KDE core library documentation ii kdetoys-doc-ht 3.1.2-1KDE toys documentation in HTML format This must be because their cross-dependencies are inadequately intertwined, so they didn't go away with the rest, and are left sitting there mostly useless on their own[?], so I must remove them by hand if I want to really clean things up, eh? Notice those packages are mostly document related packages, and the rest are merely data packages so they probably don't depend on anything... So yes you must remove them individually. Just asking out of curiosity, but should/could something like this be filed as a package bug ?? Regardless if they're mostly document related or merely data packages, they should *not* remain. Hall -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[OT] Utility to lookup hosts on an IP address
Is there a tool along the lines of nslookup, dig, host, and so on that can list what websites, i.e. domain names, are hosted on a particular IP address ?? Regards Hall -- -= A .sig ?? What in the world is a .sig for ?? ;-) =- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Utility to lookup hosts on an IP address
* Hall Stevenson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030803 13:52]: Is there a tool along the lines of nslookup, dig, host, and so on that can list what websites, i.e. domain names, are hosted on a particular IP address ?? I wasn't aware of such a tool and told the person who asked me the same. I told them I didn't think it was really possible... Well, it *may* be possible, but not a simple thing. From the responses so far, I guessed fairly well. :-) Hall -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cannot Connect to some website on linux
At 11:48 PM 7/27/2003 -0400, ThanhVu Nguyen wrote: I use Debian Woody, with cable modem connected to the computer via eth0 , it get the ip via dhcp during bootup. The problem I have is that I cannot connect to the site www.thatpetplace.com , it just timed out. I've tried it on various browsers and same result. wget returns this wget www.thatpetplace.com --23:44:35-- http://www.thatpetplace.com/ = `index.html' Resolving www.thatpetplace.com... done. Connecting to www.thatpetplace.com[208.30.147.3]:80... failed: Connection timed out. I ran into a similar problem some time back. I used Firestarter to build a firewall and it (mistakenly) listed some now-public IP addresses as non-routable ones. Simple check, assuming you're running a iptables/ipchains firewall on this machine, is to disable it temporarily. Or, check the rules for the firewall to see if any 208.x.x.x addresses are listed anywhere. Hall -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: GeForce4 card
At 08:11 PM 7/17/2003 +0100, john gennard wrote: (**) Option Device /dev/psaux (**) Option Device /dev/input/mice (EE) xf86OpenSerial: Cannot open device /dev/input/mice No such device. (EE) Generic Mouse: cannot open input device (EE) PreInit failed for input device Generic Mouse The EE lines are pointing to references to a mouse set up on a DEVFS system. You may not be running that... Are your disk drives referred to /dev/hdaX, where X is a number, or a longer, more informative designation ?? Edit your XF86Config file and change the references to \dev\input\mice to \dev\psaux. Good luck Hall -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: GeForce4 card
At 01:41 PM 7/17/2003 -0600, Jamin W. Collins wrote: On Thu, Jul 17, 2003 at 03:27:11PM -0400, Hall Stevenson wrote: At 08:11 PM 7/17/2003 +0100, john gennard wrote: (**) Option Device /dev/psaux (**) Option Device /dev/input/mice (EE) xf86OpenSerial: Cannot open device /dev/input/mice No such device. (EE) Generic Mouse: cannot open input device (EE) PreInit failed for input device Generic Mouse The EE lines are pointing to references to a mouse set up on a DEVFS system. You may not be running that... Are your disk drives referred to /dev/hdaX, where X is a number, or a longer, more informative designation ?? Edit your XF86Config file and change the references to \dev\input\mice to \dev\psaux. Based on the copied output, /dev/psaux is already there and loaded. The default XF86Config-4 seems to include to mouse definitions, /dev/psaux and /dev/input/mice. I have both in my config and have seen no problems from them. Are you using DEVFS ?? I don't and seem to recall either removing the entries for /dev/input/mice or commenting them out. I probably wouldn't have done that unless there was a problem that brought this section to my attention. ;-) If you are using DEVFS, it sets up symlinks from the new device names to the old-style names, doesn't it ?? In the case of XFree86, that's obviously unnecessary though. Regards Hall -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: SBC/Yahoo DSL with Debian?
At 08:03 PM 6/22/2003 -0700, Michael Epting wrote: On Sat, Jun 21, 2003 at 01:10:06PM -0700, Ric Otte wrote: I saw that SBC/Yahoo had a DSL offer of $30 a month, and I called them up to ask if it would work with Linux. * Michael Epting ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030622 21:32]: There is some truth to what the woman told you. I just a couple of On Sun, Jun 22, 2003 at 09:34:50PM -0400, Hall Stevenson wrote: I mentioned the website www.dslreports.com in another post in this thread and it would be helpful to you too -- or would have been. It is NOT necessary to use the Install CD. Too late for you though... Hall appears to be correct, but I did not have an easy time finding it. Ric, check out: http://www.broadbandreports.com/faq/952 and you will find instructions for setting up your new SBC Yahoo account with username and password. I have not attempted to follow these instructions because I have my account set up already, but I do wish I had been aware of them, as Hall points out, because it might have saved some time. Here's the information I found in the Ameritech forum (http://www.dslreports.com/faq/1342): = Q: How do I get a username and password for my new account? (Update 12-03-02) (#1342) A: Use the CD provided in your installation kit and see SBC Support for more information. Or, do it manually using the following as the PPPoE login: Username: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Password: sbcyahooreg Go to the following URL to complete registration: https://sbcreg.sbcglobal.net/ If you are an existing customer, that is NOT the address you should use to migrate. See this FAQ for instructions on how to migrate. NOTE: The following information is for reference only. All new account registrations must be done through the SBC-YAHOO! interface described above. As of 9/4/01, the [EMAIL PROTECTED] (password:reguser) temporary login account should take you directly to the registration page where you can set up your account for the first time. It may take a day or so after you first get sync for the systems to update and your registration to succeed. You can go to registration directly at https://registration.ameritech.net/autoreg/servlet/Autoreg. As of 7/15/02 the online registration is very shaky and is offline a lot, so if at first you don't succeed... Old registration site was http://registration.ameritech.net/cgi-bin/iaf/dslmilan = Regards Hall -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: SBC/Yahoo DSL with Debian?
* Michael Epting ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030622 21:32]: On Sat, Jun 21, 2003 at 01:10:06PM -0700, Ric Otte wrote: I saw that SBC/Yahoo had a DSL offer of $30 a month, and I called them up to ask if it would work with Linux. The woman at tech support confidently assured me, over and over, that it would not work with Linux. I spoke to her a long time, trying to figure out why it wouldn't work. She said that since they use pppoe and not dhcp, I couldn't get an ip address with a dhcp client. But Debian has a pppoe package, and there are also things like rp-pppoe. Although she could not explain to me why it wouldn't work, she was absolutely positive it wouldn't. There is some truth to what the woman told you. I just a couple of weeks ago switched over to SBC/Yahoo. I spent an extra few bucks and got the 1.2Mb/256Kb service and it has been rock solid at exactly those rates. I'm running Debian, but I'm connecting via a D-Link DI-614+, so I'm not using Debian's pppoe. I did not do the initial connection via the D-Link, because they do not give you a user-id and you cannot connect without one. Instead, I initially used their install CD on a Windows-XP machine. They install a ton of very ugly garbage on your machine and offer no way of skipping that step even though you actually need none of it. Doing it their way, you cannot get a user ID nor set your password (both required for pppoe of course) until you get past the software install step. I mentioned the website www.dslreports.com in another post in this thread and it would be helpful to you too -- or would have been. It is NOT necessary to use the Install CD. Too late for you though... Regards Hall -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: SBC/Yahoo DSL with Debian?
* Ric Otte ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030621 16:39]: Hi, I saw that SBC/Yahoo had a DSL offer of $30 a month, and I called them up to ask if it would work with Linux. The woman at tech support confidently assured me, over and over, that it would not work with Linux. I spoke to her a long time, trying to figure out why it wouldn't work. She said that since they use pppoe and not dhcp, I couldn't get an ip address with a dhcp client. But Debian has a pppoe package, and there are also things like rp-pppoe. Although she could not explain to me why it wouldn't work, she was absolutely positive it wouldn't. I'm confident that SBC DSL will work just fine. What the support woman is confident about is that SBC doesn't support Linux, therefore, in their eyes, it won't work and they won't help you try and get it working. Check the website http://www.dslreports.com/ for help. Regards Hall -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Burning DVD onto CD
At 08:08 PM 6/18/2003 +0300, Manolis Tzanidakis wrote: I was under the impression that DVD is mpeg2 and so is SVCD? -could be wildly wrong there! IIRC, SVCD is MPEG-1. VCD - MPEG-1 SVCD - MPEG-2 *Unofficial* reference information at these pages: http://www.dvdrhelp.com/vcd http://www.dvdrhelp.com/vcd Scroll down to the Technical info... section. Regards Hall -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Can access friend's website, but not ftp
* nate ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030527 21:38]: Hall Stevenson said: A friend of mine has a web and ftp server setup on his linux box. I can get to his website fine. is either machine behind NAT? can you ftp to other machines? e.g. ftp.cdrom.com Both are, in fact. Add'l info: I can't access it from my wife's XP box with Internet Explorer. I *can* access it using SmartFTP on that same XP box. Hall -- -= A .sig ?? What in the world is a .sig for ?? ;-) =- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Can access friend's website, but not ftp
* Paul Johnson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030528 03:25]: On Tue, May 27, 2003 at 08:18:31PM -0400, Hall Stevenson wrote: A friend of mine has a web and ftp server setup on his linux box. I can get to his website fine. Using Konqueror, with ftp://his.website.here, I get a login prompt, enter my info, then Could not connect to host Use passive mode, I've tried it that way. or get your friend to learn how FTP works to NAT it right. Uhhh, thanks for the advice. Hall -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[OT] Can access friend's website, but not ftp
A friend of mine has a web and ftp server setup on his linux box. I can get to his website fine. With ncftp, I get in, but doing an ls returns connect failed: No route to host. List failed. Using Konqueror, with ftp://his.website.here, I get a login prompt, enter my info, then Could not connect to host Any ideas ?? Thanks in advance. Regards Hall -- -= A .sig ?? What in the world is a .sig for ?? ;-) =- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Fees for the mailing list
* Paul Johnson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030405 03:06]: On Fri, Apr 04, 2003 at 11:57:36PM -0500, Kevin McKinley wrote: I thought you were pulling my leg. Somehow I doubt SPI is seeing very many contributions. Well, if someone at SPI took the time to track back the emails and bill the ISPs, they might luck out and get the cost passed on to the offending sender. It's an empty threat... Since non-subscribed people can send messages to the list, what's making them check up on any so-called rules. Hall -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] email standard maximum line length
* Derrick 'dman' Hudson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030403 21:30]: On Thu, Apr 03, 2003 at 02:31:09PM -0800, Paul E Condon wrote: | I am getting email from an old friend who is not a Debian type like | me. He types his email into a window on what he calls 'just a | standard PC' and the computer automatically starts new lines on his | screen when needed. Not really -- it probably wraps the *display* but doesn't put any line breaks in the data itself. I've encountered a few (crappy) mail programs that behave like this. It's probably happening with HTML or Rich Text setups of various e-mail apps. Even Outlook Express, when set to send 'plain text' will wrap lines correctly -- when sending. What the user sees on screen may not wrap at 72 characters, or whatever they define, but will continue to the right-hand edge of the window and wrap automatically. You can see this by resizing a message window and it will break at different locations. I've sent messages to this list, in fact, using Outlook Express, with NO COMPLAINTS. :) Hall -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How should we handle people who can not unsubscribe?
* Manoj Srivastava ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030330 04:07]: On Sat, 29 Mar 2003 12:55:53 -0500, Hall Stevenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: * Manoj Srivastava ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030329 01:15]: On Fri, 28 Mar 2003 21:55:55 -0500, Hall Stevenson Are you volunteering to help them out by monitoring the mailing list? I would think as much as it obviously annoys people, there'd be hundreds of volunteers. So, count me in too. Can you give that power anyway ?? What power? Helping the list masters could be things like contacting people who send unsubscribe messages to the list; trying to help people unbsubscribe, helping them discover what address they were subscribed with, and then taking the triaged list and bringing the lower volume to the attention of the list masters. Many people who get in this situation obviously ignore any help that others may offer. People were cc'ing the last F*CK F*CK F*CK... guy directly and how long did it take ?? Needless to say, failed unsubscribe attempts seem to generate the MOST traffic on this list ?? Isn't that wonderful ?? No super powers required. Why not ask for a volunteer or two to handle *just this list* ?? Even give this person limited powers, as in only being able to unsubscribe a user vs full power ?? Being able to unsubscribe other users is pretty much full power. I know nothing about list software, so if that's the case, I guess one would have to be quite trusting to give that power. Precisely, and that is unlikely to happen. And you're being the smart-ass by asking if someone like me who merely suggests something (that you don't like) is volunteering for this task. When I do volunteer, then you (are you someone important at Debian, by the way) shoot down the offer. Hall -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How should we handle people who can not unsubscribe?
* Manoj Srivastava ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030329 01:15]: On Fri, 28 Mar 2003 21:55:55 -0500, Hall Stevenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I would think that the listmaster for each list would have an interest in the discussions that take place in it. You know, they're a Debian-user like the rest of us ?? List Masters are not there per list. And since the list amasters are responsible for all 40 odd lists, I doubt they can read every one. Are you volunteering to help them out by monitoring the mailing list? I would think as much as it obviously annoys people, there'd be hundreds of volunteers. So, count me in too. Can you give that power anyway ?? Why not ask for a volunteer or two to handle *just this list* ?? Even give this person limited powers, as in only being able to unsubscribe a user vs full power ?? Being able to unsubscribe other users is pretty much full power. I know nothing about list software, so if that's the case, I guess one would have to be quite trusting to give that power. Hall -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How should we handle people who can not unsubscribe?
* Paul Johnson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030329 05:00]: On Fri, Mar 28, 2003 at 01:06:12PM -0800, Osamu Aoki wrote: Listmaster should not waist his time on this kind of bad behaviors of the mailing list users. Actually, my beef as that listmaster never responds to anything. I've tried contacting the listmaster when there's been list funkiness and I've never recieved a response. You've commented twice (or more) about this and he/she has yet to defend themself... Do they have to ?? No, I realize they don't. Do they even read this list and see Paul's message ?? It seems not. Hall -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How should we handle people who can not unsubscribe?
At 04:04 AM 3/28/2003 -0800, Osamu Aoki wrote: Hi list, On Fri, Mar 28, 2003 at 01:51:36AM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote: Spam complaints are only valid when it's unsolicited commercial ... Help us help you by following through with your calls for help. Bitching and complaining loudly without trying anything expecting us to change something we can't even after it's been explained to you as such constitutes harassment in most jurisdictions. Watch yourself. Paul, you are right :-) But this kind of incidents are repeated so many times and I am sick. It is waiste of time for the real subscribers. It would help if the listmaster was someone who actually *read* this list. Yes, I realize that there are instructions in every message that gets posted how to do it, BUT OBVIOUSLY PEOPLE DON'T READ IT !! Hall -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How should we handle people who can not unsubscribe?
* Colin Watson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030328 21:28]: On Fri, Mar 28, 2003 at 06:54:28PM +, Pigeon wrote: On Fri, Mar 28, 2003 at 08:25:08AM -0500, Hall Stevenson wrote: It would help if the listmaster was someone who actually *read* this list. Yeah, this listmaster-doesn't-read-the-list thing is puzzling me. I'd have thought reading the list was an essential prerequisite for being the listmaster. Er! You know, there are a *lot* of Debian lists. My .procmailrc says that I read 20 of them, and it chews up really quite a lot of time. It is not reasonable to expect the Debian listmasters to read all the Debian lists, and, since -user is probably the one with the highest volume, it's quite a reasonable one for them to cut out in order to be able to deal with their considerable workload more effectively. You can't demand both that the listmasters read all several dozen of our mailing lists religiously and that they deal with requests in a plausible amount of time. I would think that the listmaster for each list would have an interest in the discussions that take place in it. You know, they're a Debian-user like the rest of us ?? Why not ask for a volunteer or two to handle *just this list* ?? Even give this person limited powers, as in only being able to unsubscribe a user vs full power ?? Hall -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Sacramento broadband ???
* Michael D. Schleif ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030327 19:36]: Anybody reading this live in Sacramento, CA? My son is moving there from Chicago. He's hooked on good cablemodem service from attbi. What is available in Sacramento? Try this site, http://www.broadbandreports.com/ (formerly dslreports.com). Hall -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK
* eauclair ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030327 20:47]: The FUCKING list administrator will NOT unsubscribe. People, control yourselves Please take MY message as a reminder to ignore his. Please ?? Hall -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bug: install /etc/fstab order
At 10:11 AM 3/25/2003 -0600, Lyno Sullivan wrote: I would like to report a bug and need help in determining how to format it and where to send it. The website is helpful but I don't know the right package and am following the recommended procedure. How to report a bug in Debian http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting Regards Hall -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [OT, FLAME] Linux Sucks
Subject: Re: [OT, FLAME] Linux Sucks Can someone help me with a procmail filter so that I no longer see these ?? :-) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mutt and aliases
At 09:33 PM 3/20/2003 -0500, Derrick 'dman' Hudson wrote:
On Thu, Mar 20, 2003 at 08:52:50PM -0500, Hall Stevenson wrote:
| I have this line
|
| source ~/.mutt.aliases
|
| in my .muttrc file, but when I *add* an alias, it wants to add it to
| .muttrc and not .mutt_aliases. I'm guessing that that line only tells
| mutt where to LOOK when it needs to lookup an alias, NOT to save them
| when I create one.
Pretty much correct. ('source' simply reads another file; that file
can contain any mutt configuration option, not just aliases)
| Is it possible to have mutt *write* to the alias file I spec'd ??
set alias_file=~/.muttrc.aliases
Doh !! Figured it was something simple... I actually just borrowed the
'source' entry from another .muttrc file, but don't recall a 'set' entry,
and would have thought it would function the way I was asking about.
Thanks !
Hall
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Re: mutt and aliases
At 03:04 AM 3/21/2003 +, Joao Clemente wrote: On Thu, Mar 20, 2003 at 08:52:50PM -0500, Hall Stevenson wrote: I have this line source ~/.mutt.aliases in my .muttrc file, but when I *add* an alias, it wants to add it to .muttrc and not .mutt_aliases. I'm guessing that that line only tells mutt where to LOOK when it needs to lookup an alias, NOT to save them when I create one. Is it possible to have mutt *write* to the alias file I spec'd ?? Btw, how do you take out addresses automatically? I've tried to use the mail2alias add-on, but I didn't find it very good... It would take only the 1rst address it would find and I usually wanted some other address... I'm not sure what you mean. Do you mean get the aliases that are in .muttrc and then into .mutt_aliases instead ?? If so, copy-n-paste. ;-) That's what I did, at least. Hall -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mutt and aliases
At 12:57 PM 3/21/2003 +, Joao Pedro Clemente wrote: On Fri, Mar 21, 2003 at 03:04:22AM +, Joao Clemente wrote: Btw, how do you take out addresses automatically? I don't think you can. But it's not hard to go delete a single line out of a text file. Ooopps, you took the sentence in the wrong way: How can you take an adress out of a mail message and put it in an alias file, that was the question. :-) When you're viewing an e-mail with an address you'd like to add, hit a. Too simple, eh ?? :-) This will prompt you a few times and then write it. Hall -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mutt and aliases
At 04:26 PM 3/21/2003 +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 12:57 PM 3/21/2003 +, Joao Pedro Clemente wrote: On Fri, Mar 21, 2003 at 03:04:22AM +, Joao Clemente wrote: Btw, how do you take out addresses automatically? How can you take an adress out of a mail message and put it in an alias file, that was the question. :-) When you're viewing an e-mail with an address you'd like to add, hit a. Too simple, eh ?? :-) This will prompt you a few times and then write it. Yep ;-) And I just found out I didn't had to use mail2alias.py for that to work... I've read all the mutt manual yesterday and I'm quite sure that action is not documented there :( I believe it's just a keybinding or macro (don't know the difference) that's defined in the default .muttrc or maybe /etc/Muttrc. For all I know, that keybinding just calls something similar to mail2alias.py (???). Anyway, that is still not what I wanted. For instance, what I get when I press a with and e-mail that has this header -From: Diogo Quintela (EF) [EMAIL PROTECTED] -To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED],... is that a allows me to get [EMAIL PROTECTED], but what I wanted was that it allowed me to select from a list, just like pine allows... For instance, it could do like this: Multiple e-mail addresses found. Please choose the one you want: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] For instance, what if someone tells you, in a mail: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi! About your problem, please mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] ! How do you take that [EMAIL PROTECTED] address? write it down in a paper, exit mutt, add alias to file, enter mutt? (or some other combination of these actions, whatever) mutt is just looking at certain headers, not text in the body of a message. Keep using your current method. :-) Hall -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Upgrading to Sid Via Apt-Get
At 10:52 AM 3/21/2003 -0600, Joseph A Nagy Jr wrote: How does one go about doing so? When I do 'apt-get update' and then 'apt-get dist-upgrade' or 'apt-get dselect-upgrade' or 'apt-get upgrade' it says there are no packages to update/upgrade. My sources list looks like this: # deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ stable main deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ stable main deb http://ftp.rutgers.edu/pub/debian/ stable main deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main deb http://download.kde.org/stable/3.1.1/Debian stable main #deb http://people.debian.org/~kitame/mozilla ./ #deb http://ftp.freenet.de/pub/ftp.vpn-junkies.de/openoffice/ woody main contrib #deb http://gmonsters.sourceforge.net/debian ./ #non-free sources deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ stable main non-free deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ stable main non-free deb http://ftp.rutgers.edu/pub/debian/ stable main non-free deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main non-free #deb http://www.fs.tum.de/~bunk/debian woody/bunk-1 main contrib non-free Is there anything I'm missing (other then mirrors.kernel.org)? Change 'stable' to 'unstable'. Hall -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: debian 2.0: some intruder broke in
At 02:27 PM 3/20/2003 +, Jan Andrzej wrote: Some intruder broke in (cracked in) debian 2.0 system. Now I can use it but I cannot shut down the system (when I type shutdown -h now or shutdown -r now I get the following message: (bad, not nice word) While hacking kernel... and the system is not going to shutdown. I used the button 'reset' to exit the system. The following directories are empty /etc/init.d /var/log And may be more. I can use dselect to install again the basic system and so on but I found only /dists/debian2.2 but not /dists/debian2.0 I think I cannot upgrade the system to debian2.2 because it's broken but probably I could install the removed packages. I have installed many programs in the system and they seem to work You think ?? Many commands, even simple ones like ls or cp can be replaced by versions that still perform those basic functions, but also do much more (bad stuff). so It would be nice not to install everything from scratch. Could you please someone help me? Do a 'dpkg --get-selections' to get a list of your installed programs. Back up your home dir. Reformat and re-install. That's the only fail-safe way of being sure everything that this cracker could have done is gone. Hall -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
mutt and aliases
I have this line source ~/.mutt.aliases in my .muttrc file, but when I *add* an alias, it wants to add it to .muttrc and not .mutt_aliases. I'm guessing that that line only tells mutt where to LOOK when it needs to lookup an alias, NOT to save them when I create one. Is it possible to have mutt *write* to the alias file I spec'd ?? Thanks Hall -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: KDE Not Upgrading
* Joseph A Nagy Jr ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030320 20:49]: I added deb http://download.kde.org/stable/3.1.1/Debian stable main to my apt sources.list so I can upgrade to KDE 3.1.1. Ran apt-get update to make sure everything was in order (had to run it a few times to run out a few duplicate entries), getting a successful update message. So I run 'apt-get upgrade' to (finally) upgrade to the latest KDE (my mouth is drooling for the new KDE, I've been waiting to use it since it was released). Everything looks like it's going to be okay. 3 upgrades (a bit small, I admit), with a list of files being held back (no reason given). Once the three packages are updated, I run apt-get upgrade again. Again I'm told that a group of files (list at end) are being held back and 45 packages weren't upgraded! Am I doing something wrong? Here is the list of packages that are being held back: jan-jr-ent:~# apt-get upgrade Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree... Done The following packages have been kept back ark artsbuilder karm kate kcalc kcharselect kcoloredit kcron kdebase kdepasswd kdepim-libs kdf kdict kdm kedit kfind kghostview khexedit kiconedit kit kjots kmail kmix knewsticker knode knotes konqueror konsole korganizer korn kpackage kpaint kruler kscreensaver kshisen ksirc ksnapshot ksysv ktimer kuser kview libxine0 mpeglib noatun secpolicy 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 45 not upgraded. jan-jr-ent:~# I just read on debianplanet that KDE in sid is finally complete. So I removed my entry for ~ccheney's debian repository and did the apt-get update upgrade. I get dozens of KDE packages held back. Since I was getting them from ~ccheney, does that mean my currently installed packages are still newer ?? Hall -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: No File - Save in gimp
At 01:50 AM 3/19/2003 -0800, Paul Johnson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, Mar 18, 2003 at 04:49:08PM +, Pigeon wrote: The subject says it all really... I've just installed gimp1.2 on my woody system and there are no Save, Save As etc. options in the File menu. This is because all operations pertaining to a specific file are done by right-clicking on the image you're editing. This includes save and save as. Regarding people's replies of how does GIMP know which image you want to save ?, ask the same question to gedit or any other multiple-document-interface gtk/gnome app. Logically, it saves the one you're looking at. I can still save files by hitting Ctrl-S, but only over the top of the original file. I don't get prompted for a filename to save under, nor do I get a chance to save it into a different directory. This is not a bug. Gimp is intentionally context sensative. You can have multiple images open at once, how does it know which file you mean? So, hitting CRTL+S works... but how does GIMP know which image to save now ?? Does using a keyboard shortcut invoke some different logic inside of GIMP that gives it the ability to suddenly know which image you want saved ?? Let's be consistent. Hall -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Check the update from Microsoft.
At 03:36 PM 3/19/2003 -0500, Jeremy Gaddis wrote: Got this message in my Inbox today, and it appears that it was sent to a bunch of subscribers to debian-user. It had an executable file attached, q157498.exe, which is, of course, a virus, if anyone had any doubts. Doesn't appear to have concerned anyone... No doubt the majority on this list use Linux and are thus unaffected by any Dos or Windows virii. I read the list during the day with Eudora, on Windows, but have virus protection. If an MS-user goes without virus protection, that's their problem. Hall -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Check the update from Microsoft.
* Colin Watson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030319 17:44]: On Wed, Mar 19, 2003 at 09:36:25PM -, Colin Ellis wrote: Who sent this and what the hell does it have to do with debian??!! Maybe we need a stronger anti-spam list to stop this crap appearing on the list?! If you mean the original spam, it didn't appear on the list; it was sent privately to some of the list's subscribers. If you're talking about the discussion, well, I don't see why people are bothering to discuss it, but if it's that then you seriously need to get hold of a glass of good whiskey and relax. I rec'd the message and I by no means know the person who sent it. I did glance at the To: list and saw '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' or something similar. I didn't look at any cc or bcc lists though. Hall -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: wget usage help, please
At 09:48 AM 3/14/2003 -0500, stan wrote: I want to make a copy of a certain web site to place on my internal wbserver. I'm trying to figure out the ocrretc options to use with wget to do this. Everytning I do seems to downlad way too much stuff. Specificly I want to make a copy of http://www.backupcentral.com/amanda. I only wnat the foward links from this page that refer to the book itself. I;ve tried thinhs likke --mirrot and --convert-links, but I wind up having wget chase loinks all over the web. How can I restrict it to jsut follow links on this site itseelf? http://www.gnu.org/manual/wget/html_mono/wget.html#SEC14 Either the -L or -D option ?? Hall -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: temp reducing number of fonts, xfs in way?
At 01:54 PM 3/13/2003 +, dave selby wrote: Im having a great time with fonts at present !! My aim is to reduce the number of default font directories so when using gimp I am not swamped with fonts. Can someone clarify a point with me ... when X boots it reads the font path from /etc/X11/XF86-config, in my case Section Files FontPathunix/:7101# true type server FontPathunix/:7100# local font server I always comment out those lines (though my setup only has the 7100 entry. # if the local font server has problems, we can fall back on these FontPath/usr/lib/X11/fonts/misc FontPath/usr/lib/X11/fonts/cyrillic FontPath/usr/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/:unscaled FontPath/usr/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/:unscaled FontPath/usr/lib/X11/fonts/Type1 FontPath/usr/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo FontPath/usr/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi FontPath/usr/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi I re-order those along with removing the Type1, Speedo, and cyrillic entries. I add my truetype dir and put it first in the list, followed my 75dpi, then 100dpi, and finally misc. I no longer have entries for the :unscaled fonts (could be my version of X and the current debconf settings. # paths to search for fonts catalogue = /usr/lib/X11/fonts/misc/,/usr/lib/X11/fonts/cyrillic/,/usr/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/:unscaled, /usr/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/:unscaled,/usr/lib/X11/fonts/Type1/, /usr/lib/X11/fonts/CID,/usr/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo/,/usr/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/,/usr/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/,/usr/lib/X11/fonts/freefonts/ so am I right in thinking that server unix:/7100 will find the fonts anyway regardless of what I do with xset -fp ? This seems to be what is happening. Yes, it will. If it doesn't find any, it falls back to the directories listed above. So is there any tempory way of removing font directories short of removing them in XF86config-4 AND /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fs/config for xfs ? For a long time, that's what I seemingly HAD to do to get it to work the way *I* wanted it to. That method still works for me though it may no longer be necessary. Regards Hall -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: KDE vs. Gnome
At 09:26 AM 3/13/2003 -0600, Joseph A Nagy Jr wrote: GTK is the one good thing to come from Gnome IMO. I'm certain that gnome came *after* GTK... Hall -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [Possibly OT] can't I turn off message delivery?
At 09:54 AM 3/13/2003 -0800, linux learner wrote: Like it says at the bottom of every message: To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Okay *MY BAD*, it was ambiguous perhaps. How do i turn off message delivery without losing my posting privilages? I believe that anyone can post messages to the list, but unless someone who replies cc's you, you obviously won't see it (without checking the archives). Have you considered using the 'digest' version of the list ?? Hall -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: testing migration
At 07:47 PM 3/12/2003 +, Richard Kimber wrote: I've upgraded, and only noticed two things. 1) My xinetd.conf file was overwritten without asking me, which I don't feel is right, and I *believe* you can configure debconf to NOT overwrite existing config files, automatically overwrite them, or prompt you before doing so. With either of the last two options, it will still create a backup of your old file. Hall -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: failing to unsubscribe
* martin f krafft ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030312 20:20]: i never had problems with this before even though i noticed a million people complaining. i would like to unsubscribe from a debian-curiosa. i know for a fact that i am subscribed to debian-curiosa as [EMAIL PROTECTED] thus i do: /usr/sbin/sendmail [EMAIL PROTECTED] EOM From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: unsubscribe EOM and I get back: It has been requested that the following address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] should be deleted from the debian-news mailing list. Sorry, but this address has NOT been found on the list. yet I receive debian-curiosa at exactly that address. Are the list servers just plain broken or just in a bad mood? Let's see how many people ridicule *you* and accuse you of not knowing how to follow simple directions and so on... :-) You know, they do it to non-contributors or people who've been overwhelmed by the volume. Hall -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Upgrade to KDE 3.1
At 07:04 PM 3/5/2003 +0530, Sharninder wrote: If you just have the debs, and only want to update one machine, the right way is to download the debs and install the using dpkg. Then to keep up to date you might want to add the repository from where you got the packets from to your sources.list. deb http://download.us.kde.org/pub/kde/stable/latest/Debian/ woody main as i said .. i have already mirrored the ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/stable/3.1/Debian/* hierarchy using wget -c -r ...Now i want to use this to install kde3.1 to my desktop. There are more than 250MBs of debs. Can't I just give the name of some metapackage like kde .. and install everything. 'dpkg --install *' run from the dir that you've got the DEBs located ?? Hall -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Switch from Gnome to KDE...
At 08:15 PM 3/3/2003 -0800, Leo Spalteholz wrote: On March 3, 2003 06:33 pm, Hall Stevenson wrote: * Carla Schroder ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030303 20:19]: On Monday 03 March 2003 04:26 pm, Hall Stevenson wrote: I guess I didn't read close enough... I went and read up at the davidpashley site and in it, he has an apt entry for getting KDE packages. I used that and am running KDE right now. Any advantage to using the DEBs from KDE.org instead ?? Hall In my experience, they are the most stable and trouble-free, and they are completely up-to-date. I'm running KDE 3.1 right now from kde.org, it's very nice. I don't use the KDE desktop itself, as I like IceWM, but I use a lot of KDE apps. 3.1 is a pretty big leap from 3.0, I'm very pleased with it. The main thing is to use only one source, mixing them up will cause big troubles! I mixed sources, and ended up manually removing all KDE pieces, and starting over. That was, er, less than fun. ;-) I'm running SID or unstable. Is anyone using the KDE.org DEB packages on SID ?? Thanks Hall If you're running SID you're better off using the KDE in unstable. It's compiled with GCC 3.2 so it will be faster than the one from kde.org... Good thing I decided to be patient then... I just about removed all of the KDE packages I got from the SID repository and was going to replace with the KDE.org ones. I'll leave things alone now. Hall -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Patched sendmail? testing?
At 02:04 PM 3/4/2003 -0500, stan wrote: On Tue, Mar 04, 2003 at 05:02:10PM +, Colin Watson wrote: On Tue, Mar 04, 2003 at 11:32:34AM -0500, stan wrote: On Tue, Mar 04, 2003 at 06:15:02AM -0800, Marc Wilson wrote: On Tue, Mar 04, 2003 at 08:37:02AM -0500, stan wrote: I did apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade on some of my machines running testing, and I was surprised to not [pull patched sendmail binaries, based upon the announcement of a vulnerability in it yesterday. Testing doesn't have security updates, and has never been advertised as having security updates. Are you volunteering? sigh Someone else running testing in a production environment. And my choices are? As I see them. 1. Run unstable, and have a broken system more often than not. 2. Run stable and have 1970's versions of software/ That's a hopeless exaggeration; I run stable happily on my home server. Anyway, if you run testing you need to manage the security yourself by backporting patches. I don't believe anyone will ever have told you otherwise. (It's not an ideal situation, true. However, it's reality.) Not idael at all. As a matter of fact, it makes the whole concept of a testing release pretty useless. Look: 13:58:15 up 249 days, 5:48, 1 user, load average: 0.35, 0.32, 0.36 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# cat /etc/debian_version testing/unstable This is a amchien providing production related process control information in a paper mill. The uptime would be longer, but I had a bug in my software that was generating zombies, and ahd to reboot to clean up that mess. That's certainly stab;eenough for em. And it gets apt-get dist-upgraded pretty much every weekday morning. So, we have a pretty stable release good enough IMHO for real production work. But we choose to cripple it by not providing security updtaes? Sounds like bad allocation of resources to me! Sounds like that machine could function without internet access and therefore probably not need to be concerned about this sendmail vulnerability. If it does need outside access, say for allowing you to remotely reach it, does it need to run sendmail also ?? Couldn't a smaller, simpler SMTP app work okay ?? I guess this particular issue with sendmail patches being available in testing isn't your real complaint though... Hall -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Patched sendmail? testing?
* Jamin W. Collins ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030304 18:30]: On Tue, Mar 04, 2003 at 04:05:37PM -0500, stan wrote: On Tue, Mar 04, 2003 at 01:18:27PM -0600, Jamin W. Collins wrote: Testing is almost always a moving target. Stable on the other hand is not. Ideally, at some point security support for testing would be a good thing to have. However, I'd hardly call the lack of security support for it to be bad allocation of resources. Moving target or not, I think 200+ day uptimes ina 24x7 production environment say something about teh :stability of the testing release. Stability isn't just a matter of uptime. In the MS Windows world, it is. There, all too often a process will cause the entire machine to lock up requiring a reboot, and losing your uptime. In the *nix world, you're often lucky enough to be able to kill the specific process that's hung up and not have to reboot the machine. I use Windows every day and I *wish* that the little End Task button was enough, but it's usually not. :-( Hall -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Switch from Gnome to KDE...
* Carla Schroder ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030302 20:23]: Start here, KDE3 and Debian : Frequently Asked Questions http://davidpashley.com/debian-kde/faq.html There are at least three different sources for KDE debs. Use only the ones from kde.org. KDE3 won't make it into stable for a while yet, though it will eventually. Stick with what the FAQ says and you'll be fine. I guess I didn't read close enough... I went and read up at the davidpashley site and in it, he has an apt entry for getting KDE packages. I used that and am running KDE right now. Any advantage to using the DEBs from KDE.org instead ?? Hall -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Switch from Gnome to KDE...
* Carla Schroder ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030303 20:19]: On Monday 03 March 2003 04:26 pm, Hall Stevenson wrote: I guess I didn't read close enough... I went and read up at the davidpashley site and in it, he has an apt entry for getting KDE packages. I used that and am running KDE right now. Any advantage to using the DEBs from KDE.org instead ?? Hall In my experience, they are the most stable and trouble-free, and they are completely up-to-date. I'm running KDE 3.1 right now from kde.org, it's very nice. I don't use the KDE desktop itself, as I like IceWM, but I use a lot of KDE apps. 3.1 is a pretty big leap from 3.0, I'm very pleased with it. The main thing is to use only one source, mixing them up will cause big troubles! I mixed sources, and ended up manually removing all KDE pieces, and starting over. That was, er, less than fun. ;-) I'm running SID or unstable. Is anyone using the KDE.org DEB packages on SID ?? Thanks Hall -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Power off
* Richard Hector ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030301 19:55]: On Sat, Mar 01, 2003 at 11:16:46AM +0100, daniel huhardeaux wrote: I have 4 computers running kernel 2.4.18 or 2.4.19 and all of them, when I ask to power down, *never* really dot it. They stay switch on with last message on the screen power down It's a problem for one of them which is connected to an UPS. He will never restart if power is coming back before UPS switch off :-( Other people have answered about the power off - but I can't see how this will help the machine to restart. If it powers off, but the mains power never goes away (due to the UPS), there will still be nothing to make it power on again, will there? Type reboot or shutdown -r now if you want to reboot. Or are you wanting to use the power button to reset ?? If so, I don't know about that. Hall -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: decrufting system files (e.g. GNOME files)
* Rich Johnson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030302 10:12]: Hi folks-- I'm trying to clean out extraneous and old files from the system directories. I have some scripts to short out which files are known to the current Debian configuration and which are not. Many of the are not files came from earlier versions of currently installed packages. For exmample: /etc/CORBA/servers/gdict.gnorba /etc/CORBA/servers/stripchart-applet.gnorba were delivered with gnome-utils 1.4.1.2-4 but are not part of my currently installed current gnome-utils 2.2.0.3-1. As a rule, can old such old conffiles be removed without causing too much trouble? I have ~450 of these cluttering /etc. If the packages that created them are still installed, which I imagine they're not anymore, dpkg --purge packagename *might* have done it. --purge is similar to --remove, except it removes support files (not sure exactly how dpkg --help phrases it though). Hall -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Power off
* Matthew Weier O'Phinney ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030302 13:01]: Many machines with ATX power supplies have a setting in BIOS that requires you to hold the power button in for ~4 seconds to power off. (Feature: your child can't turn of the computer just by pressing the button!) I thought it was 7 seconds or maybe I count too fast... (just found a reference and it does say 4 seconds). Nonetheless, this so-called feature hasn't fooled by 14-month old !! :-) Hall -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Switch from Gnome to KDE...
I think I'd like to give KDE a shot now... Call me Nicolas Petrely-fied :) Seriously though, I've contemplated it for some time now. I use Enlightenment as my WM and I know I can continue to use it if I'd like. I've given Sawfish, and now Metacity, a try with Gnome and find both WMs rather lacking... Maybe I'm spoiled by E. I also recently upgraded my Gnome 1.4.x to Gnome 2.2 and wonder what the fuss is about. I'm disappointed. So, I'm pretty certain there are K equivalents to all G applications. The only app I'm unsure about is Mozilla (and Phoenix). I thought they depended on GTK libs, but 'apt-cache show mozilla-browser' doesn't seem to indicate that. That's good ! Now, on to switching. Any advice ?? Anyone know a method of finding all of the Gnome/GTK apps I have installed besides searching through all of them that start with g ? :-) It looks like unstable only has KDE 2.2 available. Isn't KDE up in the 3 range ?? I see an article at debianplanet.com the KDE3 started into SID on Feb 5... Regards Hall -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Switch from Gnome to KDE...
* Carla Schroder ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030302 20:23]: On Sunday 02 March 2003 03:52 pm, Hall Stevenson wrote: So, I'm pretty certain there are K equivalents to all G applications. The only app I'm unsure about is Mozilla (and Phoenix). I thought they depended on GTK libs, but 'apt-cache show mozilla-browser' doesn't seem to indicate that. That's good ! Why not keep both installed? Then you can use both sets of apps. Gnome apps run in KDE, KDE apps run in Gnome. And in any other window manager, for that matter. I'm the type that actually looks at what packages I have installed every so often and if I'm not using one, I get rid of it ! :) I'll run 'deborphan' to clean up any unneeded libs then. If I'm not using gnome/gtk, I don't want it on my machine. That's just the way I am... snip It looks like unstable only has KDE 2.2 available. Isn't KDE up in the 3 range ?? I see an article at debianplanet.com the KDE3 started into SID on Feb 5... Start here, KDE3 and Debian : Frequently Asked Questions http://davidpashley.com/debian-kde/faq.html There are at least three different sources for KDE debs. Use only the ones from kde.org. KDE3 won't make it into stable for a while yet, though it will eventually. Stick with what the FAQ says and you'll be fine. I'll look that over tonight or tomorrow. I imagine I'll be switching in a matter of days. Thanks ! Hall -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Custom Kernel - Tux Boot-Time Logo Vanished Horror :)
* Nick Boyce ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030302 22:51]: On Sunday 02 Mar 2003 5:04 pm, Sebastian D.B. Krause wrote: Console drivers - Frame-buffer support. You can only see this option when you enable Code maturity level options - Prompt for development and/or incomplete code/drivers. Thanks guys - I've tried that now and it worked - well sort of worked ... I configured the console frame buffer driver for my card (Voodoo 3) and I now have Tux appearing on boot up as desired, except there's a slight difference between my new kernel's output and the bf24 kernel output : there's now a blank white area appearing to Tux's right, stretching all the way to the right-hand side of the screen - this area is just normal black with the bf24 kernel. I guess the bf24 kernel incorporates some kind of generic frame-buffer driver that behaves differently from the Voodoo 3 one. I'll have a play with this. BTW: I'm slightly surprised that an experimental feature is enabled in the default Debian release boot-floppies kernel. I wonder how experimental it is. I think the experimental tag probably refers to specific features of certain video cards. For basic VGA frame-buffer support, experimental may not be accurate anymore (??). Hall -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Laptop's power button made to suspend?
* David Turetsky ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030228 22:59]: -Original Message- From: CaT [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 9:59 PM To: Eduardo Duenez Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Laptop's power button made to suspend? On Fri, Feb 28, 2003 at 06:48:26PM -0500, Eduardo Duenez wrote: Is it possible to configure my Woody laptop so if the power button is pressed (say, by mistake) then the laptop only goes into suspend mode rather than just turning immediately and forcefully? Or at least to make it shutdown cleanly? I've played with other people's laptops (running Windoze) and it works more or less as follows: just pressing the power button equals suspend, and holding it down for a second or two really equals shutting down forcefully. Would be nice to emulate this behavior... I'm not too sure about APM but I know this (or something similar) can be done with ACPI as it's what I do right now with my power button. Give 2.4's ACPI a go. If it doesn't work, see about trying the patches from the acpi team (I believe Andrew Grover from Intel heads it). Also, don't forget to install the acpid package. IIRC there is a Windows XP option that allows you to specify what action you want taken when the power button is depressed, the cover is closed, so apparently these functions are in some sense programmable On my wife's Win2K machine, if I select Start, Shutdown, the machine gracefully shuts down and powers off completely. Laptops are even more configurable as you mentioned. Hall -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Laptop's power button made to suspend?
* Matthew Weier O'Phinney ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030228 21:15]: -- Eduardo Duenez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote (on Friday, 28 February 2003, 06:48 PM -0500): Is it possible to configure my Woody laptop so if the power button is pressed (say, by mistake) then the laptop only goes into suspend mode rather than just turning immediately and forcefully? Or at least to make it shutdown cleanly? I've played with other people's laptops (running Windoze) and it works more or less as follows: just pressing the power button equals suspend, and holding it down for a second or two really equals shutting down forcefully. Would be nice to emulate this behavior... Usually this is a BIOS setting, and has little to do with the OS. I don't think this is much different than people wanting to type shutdown -h now and the machine power *off*. It *can* be done with modern motherboards and I believe, ATX power supplies. If one simply tells the BIOS that when the power button is held down and it forces a poweroff, I'd hope you're running a journaling FS and didn't have processes running in the background. Hall -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Gamepads
At 12:25 PM 2/27/2003 -0600, Gianfranco Berardi wrote: This isn't so much Debian related as it is just general hardware info. Apparently, if you *use* Debian anywhere, on any machine, you're allowed to post help messages on this list. ;-) You'll get a few replies that you can delete that remind you this isn't debian-related, but the nice thing is, many people may try and help you. Regards Hall -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: failure while configuring base packages
* Udo Hoerhold ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030227 19:03]: I wonder how much I could sell that list of e-mail addresses for ?? :-) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: failure while configuring base packages
* Hall Stevenson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030227 20:36]: * Udo Hoerhold ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030227 19:03]: I wonder how much I could sell that list of e-mail addresses for ?? :-) Doh !!! :-) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CD-Text
* Rob Weir ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030226 20:01]: On Wed, Feb 26, 2003 at 06:22:30PM +0200, Sergey A. Ovchar wrote: Hi. What is it the AudioCD-Text, It's a way of storing track and dsics names on the CD. Very few commercial CDs support this, and fewer still players can read it. Very few (if any ?) pc-based software supports it. I know that many, if not all, Sony CD players do and I'm sure there are others. Surprisingly, these play everything under the sun DVD players do *not* support it. and how can I create it for my CD-player ? cdrdao can write cd text, but I think it depends on your CD writer...read the man page and give it a go. I would venture to say that any modern cd-writer support cd-text. My HP 8x does... Hall -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: About to go all Deb
/boot 20meg Too small if you're into testing lots of different kernel sources, otherwise ok. Would make it 50 though just to be on the save side Although with the size of hard drives nowadays, 20mb does seem small, I don't know if it's too small. Kernel sources don't go in /boot, only the kernel image file itself. I've personally never had my own kernel over 1mb in size. They're in the 500-800k range, from memory. I've also had 4 or 5 kernels available at one time or another and can hardly see the need for more than that !! I only saved older versions so that I could roll back to them if need be, and simply forgot or never bothered to delete them once the current kernel had proven sufficient. Hall -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: automatically removing dependencies with packages?
* Ray Kohler ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030222 12:51]: Is there a way to automatically remove all dependencies of a package (that aren't otherwise needed)? If I install a big package with dozens of dependencies and I decide I don't want it, I don't like to root out all of its dependencies by hand. I could do this on FreeBSD using 'pkg_delete -R'. Any equivalent here? I don't know of an automatic way, but 'deborphan' may be a start... After you remove a package that you know brought additional ones with it, run deborphan and it *should* find those leftovers. I use it quite often. I try lots of programs and if I don't like them, I try and remember to remove them. I hate clutter... Hall -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Actually Way OT - Debian version names
At 09:29 AM 2/21/2003 -0800, nate wrote: deFreese, Barry said: OK, this is probably a newbie question and maybe it has been covered before but it's been buggin' me for a while. So we have Potato, Woody, Sid, Sarge. Are the Debian folks Toy Story fans or is it just coincidence? no coincidence. though i've never seen the movie myself. And don't plan to :) I'd suggest you do as they're good movies, both of them, in my opinion. They're kids/adult movies too. Lots of jokes and innuendos that my 4-year old has no clue about, but I do ! there was also hamm(2.0), and slink(2.1), not sure if those were part of toy story too ? They are (others have posted the Debian pages related to this). hamm is a toy piggy bank (voice by one of the Cheers characters, the postman, I believe) in the movie and slink is a slinky toy (voice by Gilbert Gnarly is it ??). Hall -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Actually Way OT - Debian version names
At 10:03 AM 2/21/2003 -0800, Craig Dickson wrote: nate wrote: deFreese, Barry said: OK, this is probably a newbie question and maybe it has been covered before but it's been buggin' me for a while. So we have Potato, Woody, Sid, Sarge. Are the Debian folks Toy Story fans or is it just coincidence? no coincidence. though i've never seen the movie myself. And don't plan to :) there was also hamm(2.0), and slink(2.1), not sure if those were part of toy story too ? Yes, of course. Hamm was a piggy bank and slink was a dog whose middle body was a slinky. Sid, by the way, was the nasty little boy next door who dismembered toys for fun -- hence the use of his name for the unstable branch. Do you just generally dislike films, or kid movies? Toy Story is actually a lot of fun for all ages. The script has a lot of clever touches aimed at the adults in the audience. Amazingly, Toy Story 2 is also quite good; Pixar chose not to just make an inferior clone of the first movie, and instead took the characters in a somewhat different direction. Glad to see/read that I'm not the only adult that really enjoys watching the Toy Story movies. By the way, A Bug's Life and Antz are good too. :-) Hall -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Actually Way OT - Debian version names
* Barry Rab ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030221 17:37]: Hall Stevenson wrote: Glad to see/read that I'm not the only adult that really enjoys watching the Toy Story movies. By the way, A Bug's Life and Antz are good too. :-) Hall Even close to retiring one must find some form of relaxation, and Shrek provided some. Then of course one could always find something from Chicken Run for future releases :-)) Barry. I knew there was at least one more animated movie or cartoon that people seem to believe is for kids but isn't. It was Shrek I was thinking of... Hall -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Burning cd's makes the computer really really slow
* cirrus ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030220 21:08]:
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1
Ok I know the answer is somewhere out there but can't seem to find it.
I've got a 48x speed cd-recorder and whenever I start writing a cd, cpu usage
goes up to 100%(well almost 100%, can't even play an ogg file properly).
Grabbing a copy of cdrtools-2 did help when burning iso's. Now i can burn iso
images in just 3 minutes, but when burning bin/cue images using cdrdao the
problem is still there(and it takes around 5-10 minutes for each cd). I've
tried with dma enabled and disabled and played around with the drive settings
using hdparm, but nothing changed.
Cirrus
hdparm -i /dev/hdc (if it helps)
/dev/hdc:
Model=LITE-ON LTR-48125W, FwRev=VS06, SerialNo=
Config={ Fixed Removeable DTR=5Mbs DTR10Mbs nonMagnetic }
RawCHS=0/0/0, TrkSize=0, SectSize=0, ECCbytes=0
BuffType=unknown, BuffSize=0kB, MaxMultSect=0
(maybe): CurCHS=0/0/0, CurSects=0, LBA=yes, LBAsects=0
IORDY=yes, tPIO={min:227,w/IORDY:120}, tDMA={min:120,rec:120}
PIO modes: pio0 pio1 pio2 pio3 pio4
DMA modes: mdma0 mdma1 mdma2 udma0 udma1 udma2
AdvancedPM=no
What kind of power does the machine have ?? It's gonna take a fair
amount of power to burn at that speed and do anything else
comfortably... I've seen some 32x + burners recommend a PII-500 or
higher.
My wife's machine is a PIII-866 w/ 256mb RAM and a 40x burner. I can
burn with it full speed and do other tasks without any problem. It is
running Win2K though, but I'd honestly expect Linux to do even *better*.
Hall
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Re: Safety of Upgrading Unstable
At 10:56 PM 2/18/2003 -0500, Mark wrote: I installed unstable about a month ago and have had nothing but good times. I've been following debian-devel and debian-user looking for problems people have had with upgrading unstable and haven't seen that many (a few regarding kde / libfam issues). But, I'm curious to know how safe/dangerous it is to just say 'apt-get upgrade' presently. Do an 'apt-get -u upgrade' and it will show you what's going to be installed, removed, upgraded, and so on. If anything listed concerns you, like gcc, glibc, or something, ask... Thing is, someone could have updated their glibc package yesterday with no problem. After that, the developer updated it, broke something, and then you turn around and grab that broken package and then run into major problems ! This happened with 'libpam' many months ago. Basically, if you updated it and logged out, you couldn't log back in... Heh, that's why it's called unstable, 'cause it can be ! Hall -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Gnome2.2 backport for Debian Woody available for download
At 09:53 AM 2/19/2003 -0500, James D Strandboge wrote: I recommend exiting gnome if you are currently in it. To install, simply do: apt-get update apt-get install gnome-core gdm gtk2-engines* Don't mean to go off-topic, but are these engine packages the reason I can't change my gtk/gnome themes since I've upgraded to gnome2 ?? Besides the gui-interface for changing them being changed drastically (for the worse, IMO) since gnome 1.x, I get error messages each time I try a different them. Now it's off to gnome.org to read up on the new method of changing themes... ;-) Hall -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: File systems -- reiser vs. ext3
At 10:51 AM 2/19/2003 -0500, Daniel B. wrote: Hall Stevenson wrote: ...(see this page, http://www.zip.au/~akpm/linux/ext3/ext3-usage.html, for full info), etc, ... Is anyone else having trouble accessing that page (unknown host)? I didn't have any trouble last night when I sent it, but today I can't access it. Hall -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mounting sound cdroms
* Joris Huizer ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030214 16:19]: --- Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Feb 14, 2003 at 12:29:40AM -0800, Joris Huizer wrote: - mounting manually, won't work - I get: mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdc, or too many mounted file systems You DO NOT mount an audio CD. You mount devices with a filesystem on it. As I understand it, audio CDs simply don't have one. You cannot mount an audio CD. Can you play it when you just press play on the front of the CDROM? If not, is it a copy-protected CD? You mean, when inserting in a normal cd player ? it just goes on and plays everything. (The computer cd player doesn't have a play button) He means your PC's cd-rom drive. But yes, many don't have a 'play' button. Do you have the package 'cdtool' installed ?? If so, insert the audio CD and type cdplay at a console prompt. The cd was bought past year, december - it doesn't mentioning copy-protection but ofcourse it says copying and everything is prohibited ... I'm pretty sure they give no indication that they're protected. The recording industry could care less about computer-based cdplayers. They're only concerned if they'll play in home cdplayers. Hall -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Getting rid of Gnome 1.4 stuff
I have to shamefully admit that I've been away for the linux side of my dual-boot PC for a while... Yesterday I went back and had quite a bit of apt-get upgrading necessary. My problem at this point is I want to get Gnome2 installed, but I don't think it's there. I think there are parts (libgnome2-0, libgnome2-common, and so on), but I KNOW there's lots of Gnome 1.4.x stuff leftover. Any idea how to either clean out the old stuff ?? I thought an apt-get upgrade would do it, but it didn't... Regards Hall -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 2 3com905b network cards - not recognized
At 04:46 PM 11/7/2002 +, Mikael Jirari wrote: Hi, I have two 3com 905b in my box, but only one is recognized. I compiled the drivers into the kernel since i'm not using modules at all. What can I do so the two network cards to be recognized ? You need to pass a parameter to LILO, either at bootup or with an entry in /etc/lilo.conf. Here, http://www.ibiblio.org/mdw/HOWTO/Ethernet-HOWTO-2.html#ss2.3, it's detailed in the Ethernet-HOWTO. Hall -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 2 3com905b network cards - not recognized
At 06:14 PM 11/7/2002 +0100, Sebastiaan wrote: High, On Thu, 7 Nov 2002, Mikael Jirari wrote: Hi, I have two 3com 905b in my box, but only one is recognized. I compiled the drivers into the kernel since i'm not using modules at all. Which driver have you compiled in? These cards use the 3c59x driver. What can I do so the two network cards to be recognized ? I read somewhere that disabling the Pnp option could resolve the problem but is there a way to fix the problem without doing that ? 3c905b are PCI cards, so they are not PnP (at least, there is no option to disable that). This was nescessary for the 3c509 cards). PCI cards *are* PnP. It's ISA cards that sometimes are, sometimes aren't. When he talks about disabling the Pnp option, is that in the BIOS or by using the utility that (used to) sometimes ships with networks cards. They'd allow you to hard-code the IRQ, I/O, etc, etc, effectively disabling the PnP ability on the card. Hall -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Installing TrueType fonts
At 03:52 PM 11/6/2002 +, Chris Lale wrote: In a magazine I've found a CD with many ttf files for the use with Photoshop under windows. What's the straightforward way to install those ttf files under debian woody for the use with gnome 1.4, OpenOffice, and - above all - the Gimp? See http://www.linuxdocs.org/HOWTOs/mini/TT-Debian-3.html Briefly: 1. Install xfs and xfstt using apt-get. snip Is all that necessary ?? Especially the xfs and xfstt packages ?? XFree86 v4 handles TT fonts on it's own just fine. In fact, I'm 99% positive I have neither xfs nor xfstt packages installed and can use TT fonts. I simply created a dir and copied them to it and ran the 'make font dir' command (is it 'mkfontdir' ??). Now, edit your XF86Config-4 file and 1) add the font path to the dir you just created and 2) (optional) comment out the line for unix:/7100 or whatever it is. This is only used by xfs (or xfstt). Hall -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: phoenix + mozilla
At 09:26 AM 11/5/2002 +, iain d broadfoot wrote: i'm currently using mozilla for mail/news and phoenix for www. if phoenix is running when i try to start mail, i get an error about phoenix mail not being found. i know why this happens (i think - cos phoenix is mozilla, it takes any requests) but was wondering if there were any easy fixes. Not an answer to your question, but if you're running Mozilla mail/news all the time, or at least at the same time as Phoenix, is there any advantage to Phoenix ?? I do use Phoenix myself *but* use mutt for mail... With Mozilla mail/news running, ALL of Mozilla is really running and therefore not saving you anything in regards to memory footprint. Hall -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: gnome2 + enlightenment
At 06:39 PM 11/5/2002 +1100, Rob Weir wrote: On Mon, Nov 04, 2002 at 10:56:59PM -0500, Travis Crump wrote: Just out of curiosity, does enlightenment otherwise work with Gnome 2? Is this a major irritant or something fairly minor(I don't quite understand what you mean)? Do multiple desktops work properly(each is allowed to have its own background and Alt+F[1-4] switches them)? Any other major issues? I have been reticent to upgrade to Gnome 2 since I have seen things to suggest that enlightenment never intends support Gnome 2 since e17 is supposed to be a desktop environment so I was curious as to your experience. I imagine most things would work, since both GNOME 2 and e16 should comply with the NetWM specification for window managers. This is not a direct quote from E developers, but it should be close, and what they've said is that Gnome follows some rules and doesn't follow others. Things like the Panel are badly behaved according to some window-manager specification (is it NetWM ?? That doesn't sound familiar.). Hall -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: gnome2 + enlightenment
At 10:56 PM 11/4/2002 -0500, Travis Crump wrote: iain d broadfoot wrote: is there any way to make enlightenment block off part of the screen for the gnome-panel? yeah, i know i should be using a different combo, but i like e. iain Just out of curiosity, does enlightenment otherwise work with Gnome 2? Is this a major irritant or something fairly minor(I don't quite understand what you mean)? Do multiple desktops work properly(each is allowed to have its own background and Alt+F[1-4] switches them)? Any other major issues? I have been reticent to upgrade to Gnome 2 since I have seen things to suggest that enlightenment never intends support Gnome 2 since e17 is supposed to be a desktop environment so I was curious as to your experience. *If* I happen to run gnome-session with Enlightenment, I set Gnome to one desktop (virtual, multiple, whatever) and tell E to create virtual/multiple desktops. That works fine for me. I haven't tried Gnome2 yet... Hall -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: choice of software
At 11:14 AM 11/5/2002 -0500, Levi Waldron wrote: On November 4, 2002 04:19 pm, Johannes Zarl wrote: +xmms -- a winamp lookalike I find xmms impossibly hard to read with its blue-on-black and small font, so have been using noatun instead. Has anyone found a way to make xmms a little more readable? Have you simply tried a different skin ?? xmms can use WinAmp skins or you've got these, http://xmms.org/skins.html, to choose from. I know what you're talking about with the default, and many of the popular ones, being so dark. Hall -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: phoenix + mozilla
At 02:31 PM 11/5/2002 -0500, Noah L. Meyerhans wrote: On Tue, Nov 05, 2002 at 08:36:40AM -0500, Hall Stevenson wrote: With Mozilla mail/news running, ALL of Mozilla is really running and therefore not saving you anything in regards to memory footprint. That's certainly not true. Yes, there is a lot of code that is common between Mozilla mail/news and the browser, and that code is loaded even if you're only running mail/news, but the code that is unique to the browser is not loaded into memory unless the browser is running. It is called on-demand page loading and all modern OSes support it. Okay, let me clarify... :-) (admittedly, I'm no programmer) When I say ALL, I mean the main module or component of Mozilla. Is that correct ?? Hall -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: /dev/cdrom
At 09:59 PM 11/5/2002 +0200, DSC Siltec wrote: My cdrom is /dev/hdb. I don't have a /dev/cdrom listed. Is there a way that I can create a /dev/cdrom? Create a symlink... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: sparc mouse
At 09:47 PM 10/25/2002 +0400, Andrei Smirnov wrote: Anyone know if sparc station 1 has PS/2 mouse? (it is an optical 3-button mouse, plugged into keyboard) As I recall, they are PS/2-shaped connectors, but that may be where the similarity ends. Did a PS/2 spec exist back in Sparc1 days ?? Hall -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Jumping through audio hoops after boot.
I'm the kind of guy who turns off his machine at night (mostly because the wife is worried about electric bills, though). Hint: Just turn your monitor off. It uses quite a bit more electricity than the computer itself and if it is turned off, many people assume the computer is also off. ;-) As for gmixer, most window managers have some way of re-starting various apps on startup. Without knowing what WM you use, most people won't know what to tell you. If you use Gnome or KDE, look into their session capabilities. You could also add a command to your .xsession or .xinitrc (in this file, the sleep command may be needed too) file to do the same. Hall -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian is not GNU [at least current GNU]
[Debian's default installation gives 2 year old emacs and 6 year old non-GNU awk, while sporting the GNU/Linux branding] [snip] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Let's hope he gets s much mail that he can't respond to the list about this (non-)issue !! Regards Hall -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT question sorry but i need salution fast ....
I'm not saying that this is an ideal solution, but could you install a cheap 4-port switch (not hub!) every 100 meters? Anyone care to tell me if or why this is a bad idea? A device is a device, right ?? Whether it's a network card, hub, or switch, keep the distance between them under 100 meters. Sounds logical ;-) Hall -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Lite-ON LTR-32123S cdrw - any successes?
Hi - just wondering if anyone has had any luck using a Lite-ON LTR-32123S CD rewriter. (snip) If it's an ATAPI-compliant (or is it MMC-compliant) drive, there's very little reason that it won't work. According to this page, http://www.cdrfaq.org/faq05.html#S5-1-43, that drive works with the cdrecord application... Hall -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Samba and homedirs?
i dont like these shortened default smb.conf files... Why not ?? Samba simply defaults to various 'enabled' or 'disabled' settings whether or not they're listed in your smb.conf file. Granted, the authors or whoever have decided for you that it's not necessary to list this option because 99.9% of the people using Samba have it set this way. If using these shortened config files works and all that's req'd is simply changing the workgroup name, I think it makes things much easier. Hall -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: the dreaded Word attachment
In addition, the PDF and RTF outputs from Word used (it seems to me) to be fairly easy to deal with. But more and more in recent times, the PDF files that I have been sent yield errors of this sort: Error (0): PDF file is damaged - attempting to reconstruct xref table... Error (3428): Bad FCHECK in flate stream For what it's worth, Word can't create PDF files (that I know of). They're created by printing to Adobe PDFwriter *from* Word or any other app for that matter. Any problems are the fault of Adobe or in some cases, the printer driver one is using. Hall -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: font display problem in mozilla
Yes. You can often see text jump by a few pixels when you select it; however, the resulting position isn't always correct. You can also fix the entire display by switching to another virtual desktop and back, and you can sometimes see offsets change in galeon's display by moving another window around on top of it. Switching desktops or moving a window over your galeon/mozilla window doesn't cause the browser to re-render the page. Is this actually an X problem and not a galeon/mozilla one ?? Hall -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: pppoe
And another question: the username my provider sent me contains a slash (/) int it. Should that be a problem? Or is that a sign that I'll be only able to connect to them with their windows dial software? As for you sending a wrong username, i.e. without the slash, I don't know if any of the messages you're getting is implying that. As for dealing with the \, I'd venture to say that you *have* to use it in your login settings. Simply enclose it all in quotes. For example, your_isp_name\christian.schoenebeck Good luck Hall -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Problems: mutt to Outlook (Express)
I use mutt as my MUA, and am happy as a clam with it, with one exception: anyone who runs Outlook or Outlook Express on a PC cannot receive mail from me. This does not apply to Outlook Express running on a Mac. I'm at work, running Outlook Express, and I rec'd this message fine. Then again, you didn't send it directly to me... Is there a setting I am missing, or do I have to strong-arm them all to use Eudora (which also works fine)? Getting them onto Linux is another step, but one thing at a time... Many times, people using mutt, for example, do PGP signatures which will often cause their messages to show up to OE users as a blank e-mail (1) with two attachments. One attachment is a text file containing their message. The other is a .dat file (???). This isn't the case with your message either. (1) I'm not interested in how OE is broken or who/what is doing what wrong or against some RFC... ;-) Regards Hall -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Problems: mutt to Outlook (Express)
I have no idea. The messages simply fail to show up.
Baloo suggests I should get out the strong arm, but
your experience suggests that I need to set something
{differently, or unset it}. I do not use gpg (yet), as Hall
Stevenson asked. I'm reluctant to post my .muttrc file
because of the bandwidth, but will do so if that will help.
Send a message directly to me... cc: the list so I know you
sent it (in case it really doesn't show up !)
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Re: Problems: mutt to Outlook (Express)
... I do not use gpg (yet), as Hall Stevenson asked. I'm reluctant to post my .muttrc file because of the bandwidth, but will do so if that will help. No, even if you use PGP signing, Outlook Express users still get the message. It's just that the actual message you wrote is turned into an (text) attachment by OE. This is *not* the problem you're seeing. The fact that the messages simply fail to show up doesn't seem to be a problem related to OE. Here's a far-fetched idea: Find an OE user who can access their e-mail via some sort of webmail. Send them a message. Have them check to see if they get the message via webmail. If it's not there, this isn't an OE problem (nor Debian) and possibly not a mutt problem. If it is there, then have them get their e-mail with OE and see if it mysteriously has disappeared. Hall -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Fw: Problems: mutt to Outlook (Express)
This is now your friends problems, not you or your mutt... ;-)
- Original Message -
From: Cam Ellison [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Hall Stevenson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: Debian-User debian-user@lists.debian.org
Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 2:17 PM
Subject: Re: Problems: mutt to Outlook (Express)
OK. Here you are.
* Hall Stevenson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
I have no idea. The messages simply fail to show up.
Baloo suggests I should get out the strong arm, but
your experience suggests that I need to set something
{differently, or unset it}. I do not use gpg (yet), as
Hall
Stevenson asked. I'm reluctant to post my .muttrc file
because of the bandwidth, but will do so if that will
help.
Send a message directly to me... cc: the list so I know you
sent it (in case it really doesn't show up !)
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Re: Erratic mouse behavior
* Jonathan David Pearce ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [020420 14:12]: I've been running unstable for several months now. I just did a package update in dselect and selected a few new packages to install. I've ran into some odd mouse behaviour after a recent xfree upgrade too. My mouse cursor will sometimes turn into a white square block shape. Sometimes this occurs when X is first started; other times after switching to a console and then back; and finally, it seems, after the monitor has went into 'sleep' mode (and then awakened). My xfree86-common version is 4.1.0-16. I've had dexconf create a new XF86Config-4 file. Tried 'ImPS/2' and/or 'MouseManPlusPS/2' as my mouse protocol with no change. I've also used older XF86Config-4 files that I've saved. Regards Hall -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Finding unused packages
On Fri, Apr 19, 2002 at 03:00:34PM +0200, Matijs van Zuijlen wrote: Some time ago, I've read somewhere about a tool that can find installed debian packages that are not used, based on atime of files that belong to the packages. I think you're looking for popularity-contest No, popularity contest is a means to report to Debian which packages are the most popular (i.e. what packages are installed on the most machines). There have been several programs written to track down unused packages. The one I know of off-hand is 'deborphan'. I'm not sure if it's the standard or if there's a better one out there, though. I believe 'deborphan' only looks for dependant type packages, i.e. if you try and install package a, but it requires packages b. Later, you remove package a but package b gets left. It's now likely unused. Running 'deborphan' *should* tell you that this package can be removed. Regards Hall -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
