from:"Haralambos Geortgilakis"



Hi All, and Daniel Santamaria,

who typed,




Greek Geek???

that would have to be the BEST example of an oxymoron I have ever 
heard!  From your silly comments below, i think you should change 
your signature to dumbGreek!, just to be consistent ;)

cheers,

Dan



Argumentum ad hominem?

No thanx, I prefer some thing more reasonable.

Greek Geek


Mountain Dew and doughnuts... because breakfast is the most important 
meal of the day.




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Re: PCI graphics cards recommendations

Hi All & Norman,

whom typed

Michael Moore, right? He doesn't have an axe to grind ...

Prey tell, do you have a point of view, axe to grind or did God/Alah
tell you to type your stuff? Is your line of reasoning beyond critique?

Say, you're quite adept at non-sequiters! That was obvious given your
initial fallacious argument, but more evidence never hurts. I fail to
see what the right to bear arms has to do with this discussion, but
thank you for baring your bias.

How can you know everyone in the USA supports the right to bear arms, if
everyone does not vote? Odd claim to make & trivially false.

Bias? Again, do you think your point of view, is given from on high?
Others are biased, you are not?

Also, notice I said it *might* follow, not that it *does* follow, in
regards to gun control legislation. Ergo not a non-sequiter. Do you
follow? Distinguish necessary vs contingent conclusions. All black cats
are black, is necessary. This cat is black, is contingent on the colour
of this cat.

Meow?!

It's the conversational equivalent of the 30-second sound-bite, something abhorrent to politics and knowledge in general.

Really, I must have missed that in my Philosophy degree! I would have
thought a line of reasoning, for a conclusion, is only reasonable.
Abhorrent? Spare me the pompous, self righteous drivel.

The reason voter turnout hovers around 40% is because the other 60%
can't be troubled to take the time to educate themselves on what is
going on. Personally, I am glad these people don't vote; the American
founding fathers desired an "informed electorate". Uninformed voters
are not unlike guns with irresponsible owners, to borrow from your
bizarre analogy.

Platonic reasoning at its finest; to wit, an argument for elitism. I
guess you think your on the Right side of that line?

Your argument for "responsible gun owners," is called the "all true
Scotsman ploy;" and yes, it is fallacious.

A claim that the American democracy is the longest active democracy,
would seem to ignore black people, indigenous Americans and women? An
odd position for Powell to take, indeed an absurd one. No Nathan, if you
mean democracy in the modern sense of it, America is not the oldest.
Clearly, some Americans believe it, but they would be wrong.

Democracy is a word. Words mean things. We're arguing about
something Colin Powell said, not something I said. If you have a tape
of me stating that the United States is the world's oldest democracy,
please bring it forth. Otherwise, I suggest you not attribute
statements to me until I've said them.

Yes, you are right, democracy is a word.

Your getting muddled. I am pointing out here, that the American
"democracy," when it started off, only had a very limited franchise and
is not a "democracy," as we use the term in The West *now*. In the
latter modern sense, America only became a "democracy," when black
people & women got the vote.

Regarding your other points, do you claim that the ancient Greeks did
not keep slaves? Did they allow their slaves a vote? Did the citizens
of Sparta get a vote? Isn't it a fact that Socrates and Plato
despised the democratic government?

Exactly! The ancient Hellenic/Greek democracy, was of a very limited
sort, compared to the modern instances. Plato & Aristotle, were not
democratic, but Socrates, I dunno.

Ah, but you did use the existence of the "Ancient Hellenic Democracy"
as "proof" that Colin Powell does not understand history. Either you
meant that Colin Powell didn't know that no-one had attempted a
democratic government before the formation of the United States, or
you meant that the "Ancient Hellenic Democracy" is still in
existence, or you claim that the United States is not a democracy at
all. If that is your claim (as it appears to be), then trotting forth
the "Ancient Hellenic Democracy" serves no purpose and is superfluous.
I tried pointing this out to you twice now.

Wrong analysis, ergo two false consequences drawn. See the above, where
I draw a distinction, between different *types* of democracy. To repeat...

I am pointing out here, that the American "democracy," when it started
off, only had a very limited franchise and is not a "democracy," as we
use the term in The West *now*. In the latter modern sense, America
only became a "democracy," when black people & women got the vote.

As for the treatment of Indigenous Americans, that is literally
criminal. Read "Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee", by Dee Brown & weep.

Personally, I know for a fact that the United States is not a
democracy; it's a representative republic where the representatives
are (purportedly) elected in a democratic fashion. It drives me crazy
when people say the United States is a "democracy"; the only
democracies I am aware of today are Iceland and Switzerland (and
there's some question if the recent changes to the Swiss constitution
leave the Swiss democracy intact).

Eh? You

Re: PCI graphics cards recommendations


Hi All & Nathan,

who typed




On Sun, Feb 16, 2003 at 01:31:01PM +1300, Haralambos Geortgilakis wrote:
 

"Mr Powell said he was representing "the newest country and the oldest 
democracy","-Apparently Mr Powell is not aware of the Hellenic/Greek 
Democray, dated around 300 BCE; when "we" coined the term. His grasp of 
history, is as poor as his American argument for a war, against Iraq. --GG
   


I recently heard a term for this kind of political attack: "drive-by
political commentary".

I think it's fairly obvious that Mr. Powell meant the United States is
the world's oldest _active_ democracy as it's been in existence since
1787 or 1789 depending on whether you consider the current government
to begin with the signing of the Constitution or the first election of
a president.  Your argument is rather like claiming that the Guiness
Book of World records is incorrect when it names the "oldest living
human" since the Bible says Methuselah lived to the age of 969.  Of
course, if you have evidence that Greece has been under a democratic
government since 300 BC, I'm sure many historians would be ecstatic to
hear your evidence.

Have a nice day.




"Drive-bye?" Why of course, just like "Bowling for Columbine," and the 
American obsession with gun-culture? No. Of course political argument is 
older than that. Have a look at some "Old Europe" texts, like Aristotle, 
Plato or Aristophanes.

It is a shame, that your (the American) gun laws are so loose; 11,000 
Americans being shot dead every year. You guys have a weird notion of 
"freedom." I would recommend the above movie, "Bowling for Columbine." 
If more of you guys voted (less than 50%, nearer to 40%?), then maybe 
your obsession with guns would end

A claim that the American democracy is the longest active democracy, 
would seem to ignore black people, indigenous Americans and women? An 
odd position for Powell to take, indeed an absurd one. No Nathan, if you 
mean democracy in the modern sense of it, America is not the oldest. 
Clearly, some Americans believe it, but they would be wrong.

Your strawman argument, in regards the oldest living person, is cute, 
but false.

Nor did I make the claim, that the Ancient Hellenic Democracy, has been 
around since 300 BCE, so again your strawman argument is false. Are you 
aware, that The CIA helped undermine the Greek Democracy in 1967 and 
replaced it with a dictatorship? I think that is what you might call an 
own goal?

I am having a nice day thanks, but I am sun burnt, from going on the 
Anti-War march yesterday. Aloe Vera is good! :-)

I hope you are too! :-)

Did someone mention Debian Tux?

*BFN*

Greek Geek :-)



President Johnson summoned the Greek ambasidor..."fuck your Parliament 
and your ConstitutionWe pay a lot of good American dollars to the 
Greeks, Mr. Ambassador. If your Prime Minister gives me talk about 
Democracy Parliament and Constitutions, he, his Parliament and his 
Constitution may not last very long." LBJ. 1964-66. In April 1967, ..., 
George Papadopoulos seized power in a military coup. He had been on the 
CIA payroll since 1952. The catchword amongst old hands at the US 
military mission in Greece was that Papadopoulos was " the first CIA 
agent to become Premier of a European country".



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Re: PCI graphics cards recommendations



Hi All & Paul, who typed,




A. Because it's backwards.

On Sat, Feb 15, 2003 at 04:44:15PM +1300, Haralambos Geortgilakis wrote:
 

I killed the motherboard (FIC 503, *sobs*), with a 7200 rpm kooler 
plugged into it & not directly to the power supply. Doh!
   


Aww, you're going about it all wrong!  Just go straight to water
cooling if you want to overclock.  It's cheap enough and even a shitty
water heatsink rig will kick the crap out of the best air heatsink.

Q. Why is top posting bad?

 



Message received  :-)

Greek Geek


"Mr Powell said he was representing "the newest country and the oldest 
democracy","-Apparently Mr Powell is not aware of the Hellenic/Greek 
Democray, dated around 300 BCE; when "we" coined the term. His grasp of 
history, is as poor as his American argument for a war, against Iraq. --GG



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Re: PCI graphics cards recommendations

2003-02-14 Thread Haralambos Geortgilakis



Hi Yall & Johnathan,

yo man, I've got one of those cpu's also (K6-3-400-+), mine will OC to 
600  :-)

I killed the motherboard (FIC 503, *sobs*), with a 7200 rpm kooler 
plugged into it & not directly to the power supply. Doh!

If you can afford it, the Radeon 7500 64mb, will do what you want, but 
Quake 3 will be slow, if at all

*BFN*

Greek Geek  :-)


10,000 plus marched in Auckland, New Zealand; against an illegitimate US 
Presidents Immoral war mongering, today-GG, 16-2-2003.



nate wrote:

Jonathan Matthews said:
 

Hi everyone.

Can anyone recommend/warn me off any PCI graphics cards that
are still available at retail?

I've googled a bit, but can't find any info written in the last year or
so, or any relevant to X4.x

FWIW I'm running X4.2, with a 15" CRT and a K6-III/550Mhz.
I'd be looking to try Quake I/II/III (or as far as the K6 will let me go),
and general desktoppy stuff.  I'd like to have the facility to run  in as
high a resolution as possible at a reasonable refresh rate (where
reasonable is, I spose, >65Hz).
   


http://www.insight.com/web/apps/nbs/index.php?K=nvidia+pci+video+card&C=C-VideoCard
http://www.insight.com/web/apps/nbs/index.php?K=ati+pci+video+card&C=C-VideoCard

insight doesn't always have the best prices but they have great service, and
a huge selection. I haven't tried the above cards but they should work fine
just like their AGP counterparts, perhaps just a bit slower. I have a matrox
g450 dual head PCI from insight in my redhat box(intel l440gx+ motherboard,
no AGP), works great. Haven't tried any 3d stuff but I think it's too slow
for 3d games, the nvidia would probably be best, ati should work too.

looks like maybe the geforce2 MX from the list above would be the fastest,
anything faster probably wouldn't make much difference on a k6-3 550,
you sure thats not a k6-2? or maybe it's overclocked? fastest k6-3 I've
seen I think is 450(I have a 400 in one of my boxes, love it).

nate





 




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Synaptic & can't run in console with "su" or "xhost local:root"

2003-02-13 Thread Haralambos Geortgilakis



Hi Yall,

having finally, after many months of trying, finally gotten my Radeon 
going with the ATI drivers, Synaptic is now not happy!

Here is a cut & past of what is up-it used to work!

Any ideas?


Hellene:/home/haralambos# synaptic
Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
Xlib: No protocol specified


Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: :0
Hellene:/home/haralambos# xhost local:root
Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
Xlib: No protocol specified

xhost: unable to open display ":0"
Hellene:/home/haralambos#


*BFN*

Greek Geek :-)


Every day is long enough, to fit in the important things.GG


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2003-02-13 Thread Haralambos Geortgilakis


Hi Yall & Petrovic Ivan,

please ignore Jeremy's completely inappropriate response, it plainly 
refers to himself.

For Corel type thangs, surf on over to

http://linux.corel.com/

and c what you c.

Also, for future posts, please give some sort of subject, that way Geeks 
on this here listie will know if they can help, OK?

*BFN*

Greek Geek :-)


Error in operator: add beer


Jeremy Gaddis wrote:

look for the "i'm a fuckin' retard" button on
the toolbar.

j.


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how to copy table from word to coreldraw 10

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Re: shuttle disaster please cut this dam thread

2003-02-09 Thread Haralambos Geortgilakis


Yo guys,

I am on a wee 56k dial up & I do not like all this Columbia stuff 
filling my thin 56k pipe.  :-(

This is a Debian Tux list, yes?

Please go elsewhere to discuss the merits or otherwise, of the American 
Space Program, etc.

Greek Geek   :-)



President Johnson summoned the Greek ambasidor..."fuck your Parliament 
and your ConstitutionWe pay a lot of good American dollars to the 
Greeks, Mr. Ambassador. If your Prime Minister gives me talk about 
Democracy Parliament and Constitutions, he, his Parliament and his 
Constitution may not last very long." LBJ. 1964-66. In April 1967, ..., 
George Papadopoulos seized power in a  military coup.  He had been on 
the CIA payroll since 1952. The catchword amongst old hands at the US 
military mission in Greece was that Papadopoulos was " the first CIA 
agent to become Premier of a European country". --This is why 
Hellenes/Greeks are weary of Americans bearing gifts.





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Re: How I partitioned my harddrive

2003-02-02 Thread Haralambos Geortgilakis



Hi Yall & Karsten,

who now makes the claim, that Debian can create, whiter whites & 
Brighter Brightz



Karsten M. Self wrote:

Rinse, wash, and repeat for additional partitions.

Peace.




*LOL*

Keep up the excellent werk dude :-)

*BFN*

Greek Geek :-)


I've got a very bad feeling about this. -- Han Solo



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Re: XF86Config and Gidday

2003-02-02 Thread Haralambos Geortgilakis



Hi All & Sid,

who is having some grief with gpm.

In the end, I did not use gpm, because I could not figure out how it 
worked

A wee pain, if you are only at the console face, but otherwise bearable, 
I found.

YMMV.

ON the other hand, Debian does come with "Aussie Detection Features," 
coded by Kiwi hackerZ, to annoy those lesser mortals across the 
ditch   ;-)

*HTH*

Greek Geek  :-)


"Why of course the people don't want war . . .  But after all it is the 
leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it is always a 
simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a 
fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship . . 
.Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of 
the leaders.  That is easy.  All you have to do is to tell them they are 
being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and 
exposing the country to danger."
Hermann Goering,  Nazi leader, at the Nuremberg Trials after World War II




Sid Blackley wrote:

hello list,
The mail I recieved on subscribing said "submissions
by you will be returned" so I am testing yet another
ambiguity discovered on the Debian Highway.

To actually use the BW,, 
Having used 
x-window-system wmaker> to upgrade a Debian 2r2 floppy
boot,, I am left with a 10mm/.5"sq graphic in
Windowmaker that moves around in imitation of a
cursor!
I have added the /gpmdata line in XF86Config-4 and
changed gpm.conf line to "raw".
This info coming from deja/google searches.
My question is:
What do i need to tell XF86Config to get a
'normalised' cursor? 
HW=standard ps2 mouse + Sis6326 Adaptor + Dell17FS
Monitor
*the system is dualbooted with Win95B (OSR2.2).

http://movies.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Movies
- What's on at your local cinema?


 




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Re: Lilo and vga=791

2003-01-20 Thread Haralambos Geortgilakis



Hi Yall & Sridhar,

just change it too

vga=791

for each option you want too; no append statement is needed.

That way, you can have multiple resolutions available @ boot time.

Well, try it with one & see how that goes. The above is how I work mine :-)

*BFN*

H :-)

Arrogant dragon will have cause to repent


Sridhar M.A. wrote:


I am facing a peculiar problem while booting with a kernel which has 
framebuffer support. 

My lilo.conf is as follows:

 root=/dev/hda
 map=/boot/map
 install=/boot/boot-bmp.b

 bitmap=/boot/ins64a.bmp
 bmp-colors=14,11,,15,9,0
 bmp-table=21,287p,2,4,175p
 bmp-timer=73,29,12,8,0

 default="deb"
 lba32
 prompt
 timeout=1200

 image=/vmlinuz
   label="deb"
   root=/dev/hda3
   append="vga=791"
   read-only
 image=/vmlinuz.old
   label="old"
   root=/dev/hda3
   append="vga=791"
   read-only
 image=/boot/vmlinuz-2.4.19-16mdk
   label=mdk9
   root=/dev/hda9
   append="vga=791"
   read-only
 other=/dev/hda1
   label=dos
   table=/dev/hda

But when I choose 'deb', the system boots in 80x25 graphical mode,
rather than 1024x768x64K mode. Surprisingly, it does if I pass the
option vga=791 on the command line. FWIW, I am running sarge and the
lilo version is 1:22.3.3-2. Has anyone faced something similar?

Given a chance, I would like to use grub, but I _cannot_ with my present
motherboard :-(

Regards,

 




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Re: Radeon 9000 Pro anyone?

2003-01-19 Thread Haralambos Geortgilakis


HI All & Peter,

Whoops, I meant to type in 9000, in a crucial sentence & did not

Just to bee clear, I have a Power Color Radeon 9000 Pro 128 & the DRI 
stuff gets it going in Tux!

Now, download & enjoy!  :-)

*BFN*

Greek Geek  :-)



http://bofhcam.org/co-larters/lart-reference/


Peter S Galbraith wrote:

Haralambos Geortgilakis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

 

Hi Peter,

some Debianista's gets it a going with the ATI drivers & some not

Surf thru this lists archive 
   


Didn't find anything in recent months anyway concerning the 9000.

 

or have a look at the forums @ 

http://www.rage3d.com/

Personally, after much coffee, conjecture & cursing, I got my Radeon 128meg
Pro up, with drivers from

http://dri.sourceforge.net/
   


Interesting, but they don't state that it supports the 9000 Pro (It
stops at 8500/R200).  You have a 9000 Pro?  This works with XFree 4.2.1?

Thanks!

 

My brother gave me a 128MB Radeon 9000 Pro for Christmas to replace my
aging 8MB Matrox G200.  Does anyone here have one?

For drivers, ATI distributes a binary RPM package here:

http://mirror.ati.com/support/drivers/linux/radeon-linux.html

which says: "Fixed in this driver:

* fglrxconfig program lists Radeon 9000 Pro and 9500 Pro."

Has anyone tried it?  Did you simply use `alien' to convert the RPM
package?

I hear that the card will be supported under XFree 4.3, due out soon
(except I'll have to wait for Debian packages, or figure out which
binaries to drop in place).

I also found this:
http://home.t-online.de/home/hburde/linux.html
which says "The simple, 2nd solution is to fake a Radeon 8500 which is
supported and compatible with the Radeon 9000." and provides a
XF86Config file 'driver section'.

I'm reluctant to pull-out my old Matrox until I know the new card will
work.

Thanks for any advice!
 



 




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Re: Radeon 9000 Pro anyone?

2003-01-18 Thread Haralambos Geortgilakis


Hi Peter,

some Debianista's gets it a going with the ATI drivers & some not

Surf thru this lists archive or have a look at the forums @ 

http://www.rage3d.com/

Personally, after much coffee, conjecture & cursing, I got my Radeon 
128meg Pro up, with drivers from

http://dri.sourceforge.net/

I do wish ATI would improve there install software. There comeback is, 
such as I can gather, Tuxian's are 1% of there customers & the 
implication sounds like we should be gratefull for what we are given

Ahhh, the sweet dilemma of turning a profit vs tending to your customers 
needs.

Here is a copy of my XF86Config4 file also. You may need to customize 
the monitor & mouse bits to your values. These will be in your current 
config, I guess!


### BEGIN DEBCONF SECTION
# XF86Config-4 (XFree86 server configuration file) generated by dexconf, the
# Debian X Configuration tool, using values from the debconf database.
#
# Edit this file with caution, and see the XF86Config-4 manual page.
# (Type "man XF86Config-4" at the shell prompt.)
#
# If you want your changes to this file preserved by dexconf, only make 
changes
# before the "### BEGIN DEBCONF SECTION" line above, and/or after the
# "### END DEBCONF SECTION" line below.
#
# To change things within the debconf section, run the command:
#   dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
# as root.  Also see "How do I add custom sections to a dexconf-generated
# XF86Config or XF86Config-4 file?" in /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/FAQ.gz.

Section "Files"
   FontPath"unix/:7100"# local font server
   # if the local font server has problems, we can fall back on these
   FontPath"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/misc"
   FontPath"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/cyrillic"
   FontPath"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/:unscaled"
   FontPath"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/:unscaled"
   FontPath"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/Type1"
   FontPath"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo"
   FontPath"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi"
   FontPath"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi"
   FontPath"/usr/share/fonts"
   FontPath"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/TrueType"
EndSection

Section "Module"
   Load"GLcore"
   Load"bitmap"
   Load"dbe"
   Load"ddc"
   Load"dri"
   Load"extmod"
   Load"freetype"
   Load"glx"#I tried to comment this out too, still no 
loading ATI stuff:-(.
   Load"int10"
   Load"record"
   Load"speedo"
   Load"type1"
   Load"vbe"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
   Identifier"Generic Keyboard"
   Driver"keyboard"
   Option"CoreKeyboard"
   Option"XkbRules""xfree86"
   Option"XkbModel""pc104"
   Option"XkbLayout""us"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
   Identifier"Configured Mouse"
   Driver"mouse"
   Option"CorePointer"
   Option"Device""/dev/psaux"
   Option"Protocol""ImPS/2"
   Option"Emulate3Buttons""true"
   Option"ZAxisMapping""4 5"
   Option"Resolution""144"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
   Identifier"Generic Mouse"
   Driver"mouse"
   Option"SendCoreEvents""true"
   Option"Device""/dev/input/mice"
   Option"Protocol""ImPS/2"
   Option"Emulate3Buttons""true"
   Option"ZAxisMapping""4 5"
EndSection

Section "Device"
   Identifier"Generic Video Card"
   Driver"radeon"
#Driver"ati"
   VideoRam131072
   Option"AGPMode""4"
#Option"ChipID 0x5159"
#BusID"PCI:01:00:0"
#BusID"PCI:01:00:1"
#Option"EnablePageFlip""true"
EndSection

Section "Monitor"
   Identifier"Generic Monitor"
   HorizSync30-86
   VertRefresh50-160
   Option"DPMS"
EndSection

Section "Screen"
   Identifier"Default Screen"
   Device"Generic Video Card"
   Monitor"Generic Monitor"
   DefaultDepth24
   SubSection "Display"
   Depth1
   Modes"1152x864" "1024x768" "800x600"
   EndSubSection
   SubSection "Display"
   Depth4
   Modes"1152x864" "1024x768" "800x600"
   EndSubSection
   SubSection "Display"
   Depth8
   Modes"1152x864" "1024x768" "800x600"
   EndSubSection
   SubSection "Display"
   Depth15
   Modes"1152x864" "1024x768" "800x600"
   EndSubSection
   SubSection "Display"
   Depth16
   Modes"1152x864" "1024x768" "800x600"
   EndSubSection
   SubSection "Display"
   Depth24
   Modes"1152x864" "1024x768" "800x600"
   EndSubSection
EndSection

Section "ServerLayout"
   Identifier"Default Layout"
   Screen"Default Screen"
   InputDevice"Generic Keyboard"
   InputDevice"Configured Mouse"
   InputDevice"Generic Mouse"
EndSection

Section "DRI"
   Mode0666
EndSection

### END DEBCONF SECTION


*HTH* & xcuse the length folks  :-)

Greek

Re: Karolina KDE 3.1 & Ralph'z

2003-01-08 Thread Haralambos Geortgilakis


Hi ya guys,

a wee word of "Thanx!" from myself for all the awesome work you guys do.

Ralph, don't forget to sleep man! ;-)

*BFN*

Greek Geek  :-)



Fear not dying, but never having lived - Mexican adage


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Re: KDE3 -- wich packages to download

2003-01-04 Thread Haralambos Geortgilakis


Hi yall & Andy,

yep, it is not a good thing, when your debs fly into a mincer.

For package managment, I love Synaptic. Give it a try. It is an apt 
front end.


Now, to install Synaptic, type "apt-get install synaptic" at the command 
line and press Enter.

Once apt has finished installing Synaptic, you can launch it by typing 
"synaptic" at the root user's command prompt (you can't run this program 
unless you are logged in as root).


*HTH* * BFN*

Greek Geek :-)


"American soldiers in battle don't fight for what some Presdent says on 
T.V., they don't fight for mom, apple pie, the American flag... They 
fight for one and another." -- Lt. General Hal Moore.

Andy wrote:

After a long time my computer kde 2.2.2 is running on my computer.
Now I want to upgrade to KDE 3. Can someone tell me wich packages I have
to download and where they are downloadable?
 

You might want to put this in your sources.list

deb http://ktown.kde.org/~nolden/kde/woody/i386/ ./

Its up to date kde 3.1 debs for woody (although they work on sid - apart
from kamera)
   


Dammit.  I just tried this on my workstation and it kept 55 packages
back and did not upgrade completely.  Now when I click on the 
reply button in Kmail the whole application quits.  

I was hoping this would be easy and painless.  

How do I get out of this mess?  Move forward and try to get KDE 3.x
in there or try to undo what I did already?  

Thanks,
Andy


 




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Re: browsers crashing

2002-12-19 Thread Haralambos Geortgilakis



Hi ya All & David,

whose browsers are falling like bad trousers... (xcuse me, could not 
resist the rhyme!) ;-)

Give Netscape 7.0.1 a go, she is like a rock & will leave that ancient 
4.xx serises for deadage.

Also, Mozila 1.2.x is a very stable beastie too.

Hmmm, how is your ram? Is it just browsers or is it everythang?

*BFN*

Greek Geek :-)

"Arse has a nicer ring about it than fanny." Kay the Scottish flatmate - 
verbatim.

David Zelinsky wrote:

I recently got a new system with debian/woody installed, and I'm
finding my web browsers _very_ unstable.  The problem is worst with
Mozilla and Galeon.  Netscape 4 is better, but even it seems to crash
much more often than it did with my old 133 MHZ Pentium system.

With both Mozilla and Galeon, the frequency of crashes seems to
increase with time.  It has got to the point now that they are almost
useless, since they crash on about every other web site.

If I start a new account (or clear out all the "dot" files in my home
directory), it seems to stop Mozilla from crashing.  But eventually
(after several days), it starts to crash again.  This is extremely
annoying.

Any advice?  Anyone know what might be happening?

--
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Re: Sounds of silence--I want volume!

2002-12-09 Thread Haralambos Geortgilakis



Hi yall & Shyamal,

thanx for that feedback.

I used "kuser" to manage the groups.

But I now think the problem was 'cdrom" is actually a link to my ASUS 
"dvdrom."

What I needed to do, I think, is create this group & then add myself to 
it too?

I think that is correct?

*BFN*

H :-)


Hey, it compiles! Ship it!




Shyamal Prasad wrote:

   "Haralambos" == Haralambos Geortgilakis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

   Haralambos> my Sound Blaster 128 goes fine for root, but as a mere
   Haralambos> user, does not.

   Haralambos> I've added myself to both the cdrom & audio groups,
   Haralambos> but still I get the following error message in KDE
   Haralambos> 3.0.4, when trying to use KSCD.

Did you logout and log back in after adding yourself to these groups?
What does the 'groups' command say? 

Cheers!
Shyamal


 




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Re: Sounds of silence--I want volume!

2002-12-09 Thread Haralambos Geortgilakis


Hi All & Carel

who confesses to ranting.

Please don't.

Your fix isn't.

My 'cdrom" is actually a link to my ASUS "dvdrom."

What I needed to do, I think, is create this group & then add myself to 
it too?

So, how do I undo the previous cmd, just with a "-"?

*BFN*

H




Carel Fellinger wrote:

On Mon, Dec 09, 2002 at 12:20:38AM +0000, Chris Owen wrote:
 

Haralambos Geortgilakis wrote:
   

...
 

Try running (as root)
chmod ugo+rwx /dev/cdrom
   


I think it's ill advice, not worthy of this list --sory for the rant,
it's not personally, it's just that you're not the first to give such
nonsensical advice, it seems that it's even a favourite one lately:(--
, to advice people to mess with those flags where the proper way is to
add users to specific groups.  In this case the cdrom group.  And
whilst the OP is add it, he might as well check he's in the audio group
too.


 

If your sound card uses other devices, such as /dev/dsp or /dev/mixer, 
you may need to do the same to these too.
   


I knew it:), to access those you need to be in the audio group.

Haralambos, maybe you should check your system again, and undo all those
chmod commands, and instead use the appropriate groups?

 




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Re: Sounds of silence--I want volume!

2002-12-08 Thread Haralambos Geortgilakis


Hi yall & Chris,

thanx heaps man-that cmd did the trick.

I have U2's "Sundy Bloody Sunday" filling the Geek Den now :-)

*bliss*

Greek Geek :-)



Psychiatry enables us to correct our faults by confessing our parents' 
shortcomings. -- Laurence J. Peter, "Peter's Principles"



Chris Owen wrote:

Haralambos Geortgilakis wrote:




CDROM read or access error (or no audio disc in drive).
Please make sure you have access permissions to:
/dev/cdrom


Um, what gives folks?



Try running (as root)
chmod ugo+rwx /dev/cdrom

If your sound card uses other devices, such as /dev/dsp or /dev/mixer, 
you may need to do the same to these too.

Chris






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Sounds of silence--I want volume!

2002-12-08 Thread Haralambos Geortgilakis



Hi Yall,

my Sound Blaster 128 goes fine for root, but as a mere user, does not.

I've added myself to both the cdrom & audio groups, but still I get the 
following error message in KDE 3.0.4, when trying to use KSCD.


CDROM read or access error (or no audio disc in drive).
Please make sure you have access permissions to:
/dev/cdrom


Um, what gives folks?

*BFN*

Greek Geek  :-)


A boss with no humor is like a job that's no fun.


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Re: Debian support of ATI video cards

2002-12-06 Thread Haralambos Geortgilakis

Hi All & James,

who inquires after ATI drivers & Debian Tux.

I have a Radeon 9000 Por & I am running it via the dri-sourceforge
stuff. Tiz nice.

I used Synaptic to do the dirty work & it is a honey of an app. Well
done to the geeks that put that beastie together.

There are "official" ATI drivers for this card too.

I am but a geek of not great skills & have been unable to install them
on this boxen. I tried the alien thang, but then I get a bunch of other
errors. The updated 2.5.1 getz me further than the 2.4.3, but not all up
& running.

The "official" drivers support 8500/9000/9500/9700 in all there various
flavours.

Hereabouts is a useful site, that has a forum for ATI & Tuxian's

http://www.rage3d.com/board/forumdisplay.php?s=a70fd4e81874761b0f54b36d5678adb8&forumid=61

I use it too.

This week my focus has been else where, so I am staying put since I have
ok 2D support, but not the 2D/3D quality I get in DozeXP.

Next week, we will see.

Good luck dude.

Greek Geek :-)

"You've got an anti-anti-antimissile missile? Well, we've got an
anti-anti-anti-antimissile missile!" -Get Smart

James R. Van Zandt wrote:

I'm trying to decide what video card to get in my next computer.

ATI summarizes their Linux support here:
http://mirror.ati.com/support/faq/linux.html

They say they have a driver with 2D acceleration only for:

RADEON 9700
RADEON 9000
RADEON 8500
FireGL Workstation products

but that XFree86 already supports "most ATI graphics adapters". The
XFree86 site (http://www.xfree86.org/4.2.1/Status6.html#6) says
"Accelerated support is provided for Mach64, Rage, Rage 128 and Radeon
chips by the "ati" driver" but they don't specify 2D or 3D
acceleration. I guess this code is in
xserver-xfree86_4.2.1-4_i386.deb?

For 3D acceleration:

At their web site (http://mirror.ati.com/support/driver.html) ATI
offers an RPM file (fglrx-glc22-4.2.0-2.5.1.i586.rpm) with a driver
supporting these cards under XFree86 4.2.0:

RADEON 9700
RADEON 9000
RADEON 8500

Can that RPM be installed in a Debian system with alien?
Is there a Debian package? (I couldn't find one.)
If not, do the files from the RPM overlap those from
the xserver-xfree86 package? Other packages?

ATI points to the DRI project (http://dri.sourceforge.net/)
for drivers to support:
RADEON
RAGE 128
RAGE PRO
with Debian packages at http://people.debian.org/~daenzer/dri-trunk/

However, the Rage PRO at least is apparently five years old. In a 1998
review Tom's Hardware says
(http://www17.tomshardware.com/graphic/98q1/980121/3dbench-37.html):

"So what's with the ATI Rage Pro chip? I can't help it, but this chip
lacks in too many cases to be worth a recommendation. It does not
support GLQuake's or Quake II's OpenGL engine, it has obvious problems
with Direct3D, it has got only very weak support of professional
OpenGL under NT, so that it doesn't leave much else than its excellent
2D performance in combination with its video in/out features."

Hardly a glowing recommendation.

Do the Debian packages of the DRI software have any support for the
newer adaptors?

Maybe I should get an NVidea card after all. I understand there are
no open-source accelerated drivers, but there are binary drivers, and
I see we have these packages:

nvidia-glx-src - NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x driver
nvidia-kernel-src - NVIDIA binary kernel module

- Jim Van Zandt

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Re: debian rocks

2002-12-03 Thread Haralambos Geortgilakis



Yep,

it sure does rock. I am a recent convert, from SuSE & Mandrake.

Oh, check out Synaptic, it is a most excellent gui front end for all the 
CLUE apt stuff.

No, I am not blond, but I am a bit gui.   ;-)

*BFN*

H  :-)


There is no such thing as an ugly woman -- there are only the ones who 
do not know how to make themselves attractive. -- Christian Dior 
(Consider that one reason NOT to take C.Dior seriously, their tenuous 
grasp of aesthetics --GG)

Bruce Park wrote:

Hello all,

I just wanted to say that Debian is really just the distro that i've 
been looking for ever since using Redhat two years ago. I still can't 
believe how easy it is to configure packages in Debian thanks to 
deslect and apt.

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Re: netscape not in unstable

2002-11-25 Thread Haralambos Geortgilakis



Hi guys (in the gender-inclusive sense) & Rob,

who did notith Flamebait nor Troll as below  ;-)

Verily, did Netscape say to Microsoft, "stuff you mate!"

While the later hath won many battles, the war continuesith & 
AOL/Netscape *fund* (kudos hereabouts!) both Mozilla & Netscape 7.x.

Netscape 7 series does include some fluff, but I like the added in Java, 
flash, spell checker & this may sound quaint; but I have grown somewhat 
attached to this old beastie, as we have been together since about 1994 
& that is a long term relationship!

The only thing I wish it had, was a pop-up killer.

But if you know what I am saying, I am kind of fast on the draw of a 
mouse, partner *tumbled weeds are seen blowing behind the lone gunman, 
deep in the heart of Texas*

If some of this makes sense, I hope it answers your question?

*BFN*

Greek Geek  :-)

I know you think you have won, Mr Gates. So did the Trojan's & my 
ancestors dealt with them & we shall deal with you. --GG, on Debian Linux.

Rob Weir wrote:

On Mon, Nov 25, 2002 at 02:44:18PM +1300, Haralambos Geortgilakis wrote:
 

Hi Yall & Mike,

point your software @ Netscape's FTP/HTTP & grab whatever you want.

I am on Netscape 7.0 now & it is just fine. There are no .debs, but the 
installer is ok.
   


Can I ask why you chose Netscape over Mozilla?  Netscape 7.0 just seems
to be an older, crippled version of Netscape with lots of shopping links
and cruft layered on top.

Er, that's supposed to be a serious question, not a troll :-)

-rob
 




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Re: netscape not in unstable

2002-11-24 Thread Haralambos Geortgilakis



Hi Yall & Mike,

point your software @ Netscape's FTP/HTTP & grab whatever you want.

I am on Netscape 7.0 now & it is just fine. There are no .debs, but the 
installer is ok.

Greek Geek  :-)


Just like our old friends at IBM used to say (of) OS/2 with Win32 
support in the early 90s was a "better Windows than Windows". That 
really cheesed off Microsoft.--Mike Magee @ The Inquirer.

Michael P. Soulier wrote:

   Hey people,

   Is there a reason why netscape isn't in unstable?

   Thanks,
   Mike

 




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Re: GNU-LINUX Installation!

2002-11-22 Thread Haralambos Geortgilakis



Hi Yall & Samaad,

yep, know that feeling.

Check out this link-it is what got Debian onto my & a friends machines.

http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=2016

*HTH*

Greek Geek :-)


Just like our old friends at IBM used to say (of) OS/2 with Win32 
support in the early 90s was a "better Windows than Windows". That 
really cheesed off Microsoft.--Mike Magee @ The Inquirer.

Samaad Story wrote:

Hello guys i am familiar with computers etc, But I am not at all 
familiar with installing Linux. Im am not to sure about the 
partitioning of the hard drive, the bios, and basically the entire 
process of installing this OS. I have some of the information on your 
web site but still am a little confused, if you can help it would be 
of a great service to me. Also if you have any great books that you 
can think of that would better my knowledge of Linux it would be 
greatly appreciated as well. Thank you for your time.

Best Regards,

Samaad Story



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Re: ATI driver install & kernel source error?

2002-11-22 Thread Haralambos Geortgilakis


Hi yall,

well, I fixed problem two, by checking the syntax closely, of the 
"make.sh" file & found the drm file name it was looking for & then 
included the path to that file in the "drmincludes=/"

This location, was effected by using Trunk-dri stuff from the dri 
sourcforge

Progress.

This led onto a new & incomprehensible error message-to me anyhow. Error 
message reads as follows


haralambos:/lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod# ./make.sh
ATI module generator V 2.0
==
probing for VMA API version...
cleaning...
patching 'highmem.h'...
patching 'drmP.h'...
patching file drmP.h
Hunk #1 FAILED at 255.
Hunk #2 FAILED at 266.
2 out of 2 hunks FAILED -- saving rejects to file drmP.h.rej
compiling 'agpgart_be.c'...
compiling 'agp3.c'...
compiling 'i7505-agp.c'...
compiling 'firegl_public.c'...
firegl_public.c: In function `firegl_proc_init':
firegl_public.c:287: parse error before `)'
firegl_public.c: In function `firegl_proc_cleanup':
firegl_public.c:335: parse error before `)'
firegl_public.c: In function `firegl_stub_open':
firegl_public.c:361: parse error before `)'
firegl_public.c: In function `firegl_stub_getminor':
firegl_public.c:398: parse error before `)'
firegl_public.c: In function `firegl_stub_register':
firegl_public.c:441: parse error before `)'
firegl_public.c: In function `firegl_cleanup_module':
firegl_public.c:537: parse error before `)'
firegl_public.c:540: parse error before `)'
firegl_public.c: In function `vm_shm_nopage':
firegl_public.c:1804: parse error before `)'
firegl_public.c:1812: parse error before `)'
firegl_public.c:1831: parse error before `)'
firegl_public.c: In function `__ke_vm_map':
firegl_public.c:2125: parse error before `)'
firegl_public.c:2176: parse error before `)'
firegl_public.c:2209: parse error before `)'
firegl_public.c: In function `__ke_firegl_agpgart_available':
firegl_public.c:2376: parse error before `)'
firegl_public.c: In function `__ke_agpgart_available':
firegl_public.c:2388: parse error before `)'
firegl_public.c:2464: parse error before `)'
firegl_public.c:2472: parse error before `)'
firegl_public.c:2474: parse error before `)'
compiling failed - object file was not generated
haralambos:/lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod#


Hmmm.

Think I will send that onto ATI.

Anyone hereabout install the ATI drivers & get 'em going-care to share?

Greek Geek :-)


Haralambos Geortgilakis wrote:


Hi all & Nikita,

thanx man, it fixed that problem, by installing the "headers" & then 
pointing make.sh to them, only to produce a new error message


Error:
XFree86 drm includes at 
/usr/src/kernel-headers-2.4.18-bf2.4/include/../drivers/char/drm do 
not fit this driver.
This driver is designed to only work with X4.1.0 or higher.
You can match this by getting Linux kernel 2.4.8 or higher.


Um?

I am using the "dri" stuff, which matches these criteria, methinks?

I might do s search online, to see if some Debianista has repackaged 
the ATI stuff as .deb, so that I am not chasing my or ATI's tail.

Eduard, so far, no feedback from me on the speed of "fgl_glxgears" 
yet ;-)

H :-)


Far duller than a serpent's tooth it is to spend a quiet youth.


Eduard Bloch wrote:

#include 
* Nikita V. Youshchenko [Fri, Nov 22 2002, 11:15:24AM]:




kernel includes at /usr/src/linux/include not found or incomplete
file: /usr/src/linux/include/linux/version.h
haralambos:/lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod#



The mentioned file is auto-generated on kernel build.
So it is not in kernel-source-*
But kernel-headers-* do contain it.

Maybe you need to install kernel-headers-xxx and point ATI's script 
to /usr/src/kernel-headers/xxx ...


Yes. Many people set a symlink from
/usr/src/kernel-headers-- to 
/usr/src/linux.

Eg. for the bf2.4 kernel:

apt-get install kernel-headers-2.4.18-bf2.4
cd /usr/src
ln -s kernel-headers-2.4.18-bf2.4 linux

But I have wish: could make a small report about the quality of those
drivers? Things that woke my interest:

- Usage with 3D games (Quake3, UT2003)
- Usage of the TV output (controlable?) and the second head
- Usage with Powered-By-ATI but not Built-By-ATI cards

Gruss/Regards,
Eduard.









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Re: ATI driver install & kernel source error?

2002-11-22 Thread Haralambos Geortgilakis


Hi all & Nikita,

thanx man, it fixed that problem, by installing the "headers" & then 
pointing make.sh to them, only to produce a new error message


Error:
XFree86 drm includes at 
/usr/src/kernel-headers-2.4.18-bf2.4/include/../drivers/char/drm do not 
fit this driver.
This driver is designed to only work with X4.1.0 or higher.
You can match this by getting Linux kernel 2.4.8 or higher.


Um?

I am using the "dri" stuff, which matches these criteria, methinks?

I might do s search online, to see if some Debianista has repackaged the 
ATI stuff as .deb, so that I am not chasing my or ATI's tail.

Eduard, so far, no feedback from me on the speed of "fgl_glxgears" 
yet ;-)

H :-)


Far duller than a serpent's tooth it is to spend a quiet youth.


Eduard Bloch wrote:

#include 
* Nikita V. Youshchenko [Fri, Nov 22 2002, 11:15:24AM]:

 

kernel includes at /usr/src/linux/include not found or incomplete
file: /usr/src/linux/include/linux/version.h
haralambos:/lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod#

 

The mentioned file is auto-generated on kernel build.
So it is not in kernel-source-*
But kernel-headers-* do contain it.

Maybe you need to install kernel-headers-xxx and point ATI's script to 
/usr/src/kernel-headers/xxx ...
   


Yes. Many people set a symlink from
/usr/src/kernel-headers-- to /usr/src/linux.

Eg. for the bf2.4 kernel:

apt-get install kernel-headers-2.4.18-bf2.4
cd /usr/src
ln -s kernel-headers-2.4.18-bf2.4 linux

But I have wish: could make a small report about the quality of those
drivers? Things that woke my interest:

- Usage with 3D games (Quake3, UT2003)
- Usage of the TV output (controlable?) and the second head
- Usage with Powered-By-ATI but not Built-By-ATI cards

Gruss/Regards,
Eduard.
 




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ATI driver install & kernel source error?

2002-11-21 Thread Haralambos Geortgilakis


Hi yall,

I am trying to install the new ATI stuff & get the following error 
message


haralambos:/lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod# ./make.sh
ATI module generator V 2.0
==
kernel includes at /usr/src/linux/include not found or incomplete
file: /usr/src/linux/include/linux/version.h
haralambos:/lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod#


But I have installed "kernel-source-2.4.18.tar.bz" & I am running 
2.4.18-bf2.4.

Um, where do I find the full source?

The control panel installed, partly

*BFN*

H  :-)


I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less 
than half of you half as well as
you deserve. -- J. R. R. Tolkien


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Re: Help! Debian unbootable after XP re-install :-(

2002-11-21 Thread Haralambos Geortgilakis


Hi Yall & especially Doug & Pigeon,

thanx for the feedback guys  :-)

Here is what I've done so far.

In re-installing XP, I used Partition Magic & this changed the order of 
/dev/hdax

I used Knoppix, to mount my hdd's, then my Tux Boot Floppy & edited the 
latters "syslinux.cfg", to point to the new root partition, in my case 
/dev/hda3...

Why, "rescue root=/dev/hda3" failed, I dunno.

Anyhow, that last piece of magic worked  :-)

Now I get the following error message when re-running lilo


haralambos:/home/haralambos# lilo
Added Linux *
Skipping /vmlinuz.old
Fatal: First sector of /dev/hda3 doesn't have a valid boot signature
haralambos:/home/haralambos#


How do I fix that mess?

My /boot is /dev/hda1   

*BFN*

Greek Geek  :-)

Doug MacFarlane wrote:

I had a similar problem and never solved it.  I posted to this group and
didn't get an answer.  It sounds like you were running a pre-packaged kernel
version 2.4.something - at some point the pre-packaged kernels started using initrd
images to boot and I was never able to figure out how to boot via initrd
via the rescue floppy . . . 

If you have a few hundred mb available to setup a partition, if you install
from a CD, you should be able to get LILO back, and then enter the proper
stanza for your full system.  Then re-run LILO to get it running from your
full systems root partition with the initrd=/initrd.img directive.

Good luck.

madmac


On 22 Nov 2002, 10:27:25, Haralambos wrote:
 

I've tried rescue root=/dev/hda3  (this changed from the previous 
/dev/hda4)

I've tried going into ash, the Bourne shell clone & re-running lilo, 
only go get back "invalid argument."

But, but, there is a perfectly fine root partition @ /dev/hda3...!

I've tried the Tux installer, to re-run lilo, same "invalid argument"

When I try to boot, with my boot floppy or was it rescue (?), anyways, 
error message reads "Kernel panic: No init found. Try passing init= 
option to kernel."

Well, I am not panicking just yet (Kernel is-surely both panicking would 
be bd!), mild apprehension & some effects of sleep deprivation.

*BFN*

Greek Geek  :-)
   



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Re: Directory permissions

2002-11-19 Thread Haralambos Geortgilakis



Yo Madduck,

luv that handle! Donald Duck is one of my favz @ Disney!

Now, where was I? Debian Tux


haralambos@haralambos:~$ ld -ld / /Hellene
ld: cannot find -ld
haralambos@haralambos:~$ su
Password:
haralambos:/home/haralambos# ld -ld / /Hellene
ld: cannot find -ld
haralambos:/home/haralambos# ld -ld 
ld: cannot find -ld
haralambos:/home/haralambos#


ld -ld / /Hellene

I am puzzled why you recommended the linker-which I needed to look up?

Mounting the partition is a snap. While in either Konq or Gnome 
Commander or Nautilus or Midnight Commander, I try to change the 
Permissions of a directory & it's subdirectories, so I as a plain user, 
can write to that directory.

When I use all the above, as root, I get an error message back, say root 
does not have permission to change the permissions. I've tried to 
read info/man on chown & chmod & I am afraid that as a "Geek of very 
little brain," they did not make sense to me.

Do you know what I mean, gov?

To wit, help please.

*BFN*

Greek Geek  :-)


While having never invented a sin, I'm trying to perfect several.



martin f krafft wrote:

also sprach Haralambos Geortgilakis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002.11.18.1219 +0100]:
 


haralambos:/Hellene# cd Stuff
haralambos:/Hellene/Stuff# ls -ld
drwxr-xr-x   38 root root24576 Aug 12 21:09 .
haralambos:/Hellene/Stuff#

   


so /Hellene is a VFAT partition? can you give me

 * ld -ld / /Helene
 * mount

what exactly are you trying to do (give me the commands) and what
exactly are the errors?

 




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Re: Directory permissions

2002-11-18 Thread Haralambos Geortgilakis


Hi Yall & Martin,

here is a wee screen dump


haralambos:/Hellene# cd Stuff
haralambos:/Hellene/Stuff# ls -ld
drwxr-xr-x   38 root root24576 Aug 12 21:09 .
haralambos:/Hellene/Stuff#


Must crash-it is late on this side of the planet.  :-)

*BFN*

H  :-)

Seen in a watch shop:  PLEASE WAIT PATIENTLY TO BE SERVED. I ONLY HAVE 
TWO HANDS



martin f krafft wrote:

also sprach Haralambos Geortgilakis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002.11.18.1110 +0100]:
 

So, I have a directory, on a Win-FAT-32 partition, with various 
sub-directories & I wanna access then as a plain user.
   


show me the `ls -ld ` on that directory.

 




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Directory permissions

2002-11-18 Thread Haralambos Geortgilakis


Hi yall,

sometimes I read the howto's & they make sense & sometimes they don't

Well, I tried to change them in the KDE file manager & Midnight 
Commander (God I love MC!), as root & it said I could not; insufficient 
permission! Hmmm.

So, I have a directory, on a Win-FAT-32 partition, with various 
sub-directories & I wanna access then as a plain user.

Um, like what is the syntax dude/dudette?

*BFN*

Greek Geek  :-)



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A: "Life is like a box of chocolates..." (Source: F. Gump of Intel)



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Re: XFree 4.2.1 and Radeon 9000 hickups.

2002-11-18 Thread Haralambos Geortgilakis



Hi Yall & Russell,

I went to the DRI project & added that to my apt list, grabed & 
installed them & have not looked back.

Give it a try man!

*BFN*

Greek Geek :-)


Support your local Search and Rescue unit -- get lost!

Russell Neches wrote:

Interesting. I'm able to start XFree86 this way, but doing so causes
the keyboard and mouse to die. I had to shell into the box and kill
XFree86 to regain control. 

Russell

Michael Klemme <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

 

Hallo!

I use XFree 4.1.2 with a Radeon 9000 video card.
I retrieved the beta packages 4.2.1-3 from Branden's repository. 
I managed to get it run by setting
	ChipId	0x4242
in the XF86Config-4. 

I get a aceptable image at 1152x864 and 75 Hz.

However, there are some things that are strange:

1.) After a while the PS/2 mouse starts to move errornously to the lower
 left corner, random key press events occurr (such as past into
 xterms - yacc!).
 This seems not to be related to system load. The mouse has an
 exclusive interupt, all unnecessary devises are switched off in the
 BIOS. I tried three different mice, all with the same result.


2.) Setting NumLock disables all special window manager actions.
 This used to work before 
 I am still using fvwm1, and I will have to fix this in my configuration.


3.) When moving the mouse pressing ALT of Shift stops the mouse until
 they are released.



This is the head of the startup messages

X: warning; process set to priority 0 instead of requested priority -10

XFree86 Version 4.2.1 (Debian 4.2.1-3 20021019202935 [EMAIL PROTECTED]) / X Window System
(protocol Version 11, revision 0, vendor release 6600)
Release Date: 3 September 2002
	If the server is older than 6-12 months, or if your card is
	newer than the above date, look for a newer version before
	reporting problems.  (See http://www.XFree86.Org/)
Build Operating System: Linux 2.4.19 i686 [ELF] 



scanpci output

pci bus 0x0001 cardnum 0x00 function 0x00: vendor 0x1002 device 0x4966
ATI  Device unknown
CardVendor 0x174b card 0x7194 (Card unknown)
 STATUS0x02b0  COMMAND 0x0187
 CLASS 0x03 0x00 0x00  REVISION 0x01
 BIST  0x00  HEADER 0x00  LATENCY 0x40  CACHE 0x08
 BASE0 0xd008  addr 0xd000  MEM PREFETCHABLE
 BASE1 0x9801  addr 0x9800  I/O
 BASE2 0xdfef  addr 0xdfef  MEM
 BASEROM   0xdfec  addr 0xdfec  not-decode-enabled
 MAX_LAT   0x00  MIN_GNT 0x08  INT_PIN 0x01  INT_LINE 0x0b



Thanks for any help
  Michael Klemme


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Re: putzing with the Radeon 9000 *SUCCESS


Ok,

I "had" to reinstall the Radeon 9000 Pro hardware, after Synaptic did 
the DRI update & yes it works! :-)

GLXgears works too.

I've found a couple off wee errors in the XFree log, but that is on the 
3D side & I am mainly focussed on 2D.

Yay

Well, it has been an intense couple of weeks to get the GUI up with this 
hardware.

Thanx again Sven, for the tip off back into the DRI project

Now I can use it & be productive doing other things :-)

*BFN*

Greek Geek :-)


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Wolfe, "The League of
Frightened Men"

Haralambos Geortgilakis wrote:



Hi All again,

ahhh, that is where he is. Missed it last time I had a look.

Anyhow, here is the url for



Debian packages (currently for powerpc and i386) based on CVS 
snapshots are
available via

deb http://people.debian.org/~daenzer/dri-trunk/ ./




Have not complied against them yet. Time for sleep.

*HTH*

Greek Geek :-)


May your Tongue stick to the Roof of your Mouth with the Force of a 
Thousand Caramels.



Haralambos Geortgilakis wrote:



Hi Yall & Sven,

whom typed as below.



Alternatively, you could make use of the dri-trunk packages from 
michel, which i guess will include this, not sure though.



Where does he abide on the net?

*BFN*

Greek Geek :-)


"Our Priorities are Our Users and Free Software" --- Social Contract

Sven Luther wrote:

On Sat, Nov 16, 2002 at 05:33:14PM -0500, Russell Neches wrote:



Hey there --

I'm having some trouble configuring an ATI Radeon 9000. It seems that
X and lspci can't identify the card. I'm not sure if that's the fault
of the card for not identifying itself correctly, or if the right ID
strings are missing.
01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc: Unknown 
device 4966 (rev 01)
01:00.1 Display controller: ATI Technologies Inc: Unknown device 
496e (rev 01)

The radeon driver fails to identify the card, so it doesn't even try
to work:

(WW) RADEON: No matching Device section for instance (BusID 
PCI:1:0:1) found


No wonder, since the radeon 9000 not yet existed by the time the 4.2.0
(on which 4.2.1 is only a security bug fix) was released.




From what I know about this card, it's basically an 8500 with
extensions. I also stumbled across commercial drivers from Xi (!?!).
In theory, I ought to be able to set it up as an 8500 (and give up the
extensions the 9000 offers).



There were reports of it working, even with DRI, so you are right, but
it needs 4.3.0/dri-tree.

I would look onto the dri mailing list archive at sourceforge or on the
X mailing list archive, for some information.

Alternatively, you could make use of the dri-trunk packages from 
michel,
which i guess will include this, not sure though.



Would some kind person explain to me how to go about this? I've never
set up a card that wasn't recognized by its driver.




Like said, either building X from CVS or installing Michel's dri-trunk
package should make it work.

Alternatively, read the XF86Config and try to find how to make X 
believe
it is another board, there is an option for this, maybe called chipset,
but i don't remember well, never having used it, it worked for the 7500
in the 4.1.0 days. That said, you will not have the r200 DRI that you
would get from michel's packages.

Friendly,

Sven Luther















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Hi All again,

ahhh, that is where he is. Missed it last time I had a look.

Anyhow, here is the url for



Debian packages (currently for powerpc and i386) based on CVS snapshots are
available via

deb	http://people.debian.org/~daenzer/dri-trunk/	./




Have not complied against them yet. Time for sleep.

*HTH*

Greek Geek :-)


May your Tongue stick to the Roof of your Mouth with the Force of a 
Thousand Caramels.



Haralambos Geortgilakis wrote:



Hi Yall & Sven,

whom typed as below.



Alternatively, you could make use of the dri-trunk packages from 
michel, which i guess will include this, not sure though.



Where does he abide on the net?

*BFN*

Greek Geek :-)


"Our Priorities are Our Users and Free Software" --- Social Contract

Sven Luther wrote:

On Sat, Nov 16, 2002 at 05:33:14PM -0500, Russell Neches wrote:



Hey there --

I'm having some trouble configuring an ATI Radeon 9000. It seems that
X and lspci can't identify the card. I'm not sure if that's the fault
of the card for not identifying itself correctly, or if the right ID
strings are missing.
01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc: Unknown 
device 4966 (rev 01)
01:00.1 Display controller: ATI Technologies Inc: Unknown device 
496e (rev 01)

The radeon driver fails to identify the card, so it doesn't even try
to work:

(WW) RADEON: No matching Device section for instance (BusID 
PCI:1:0:1) found


No wonder, since the radeon 9000 not yet existed by the time the 4.2.0
(on which 4.2.1 is only a security bug fix) was released.




From what I know about this card, it's basically an 8500 with
extensions. I also stumbled across commercial drivers from Xi (!?!).
In theory, I ought to be able to set it up as an 8500 (and give up the
extensions the 9000 offers).



There were reports of it working, even with DRI, so you are right, but
it needs 4.3.0/dri-tree.

I would look onto the dri mailing list archive at sourceforge or on the
X mailing list archive, for some information.

Alternatively, you could make use of the dri-trunk packages from michel,
which i guess will include this, not sure though.




Would some kind person explain to me how to go about this? I've never
set up a card that wasn't recognized by its driver.



Like said, either building X from CVS or installing Michel's dri-trunk
package should make it work.

Alternatively, read the XF86Config and try to find how to make X believe
it is another board, there is an option for this, maybe called chipset,
but i don't remember well, never having used it, it worked for the 7500
in the 4.1.0 days. That said, you will not have the r200 DRI that you
would get from michel's packages.

Friendly,

Sven Luther












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Hi All,

once upon a time, I had a Matrox card & Matrox had binary closed source 
drivers for it.

Check out the Matrox site. Heck, even the Perihelia (sp?) has Tux drivers.

That makes Nvidia & Matrox one up on ATI *mutter-mutter*

If anyone is here from ATI, please blush now   ;-)

Sigh, I have an ATI card   :-(

*BFN*

Greek Geek  :-)


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instance. -- Franklin P. Jones
{GG comentary: "Children & Operating Systems"}

Rob Weir wrote:

On Wed, Nov 06, 2002 at 12:15:14PM +, Barry Samuels wrote:
 

(==) Log file: "/var/log/XFree86.0.log", Time: Wed Nov  6 11:51:21 2002
(==) Using config file: "/etc/X11/XF86Config-4"
(EE) MGA: Failed to load module "mga_hal" (module does not exist, 0)
modprobe: Can't locate module mga
[drm] failed to load kernel module "mga"
(EE) MGA(0): [drm] DRIScreenInit failed.  Disabling DRI.
IceWM: Bad option: TaskBarShowPPPStatus
IceWM: Bad option: IgnoreNoFocusHint
IceWM: Bad option: ShowXButton
IceWM: Bad option: WindowListFontName
   


Does XFree86 4.2 require a new Matrox kernel module or something?  Have
you tried running X with the 'vesa' driver to see if that still freezes?

-rob
 




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Re: putzing with the Radeon 9000

Hi Yall & Sven,

whom typed as below.

Alternatively, you could make use of the dri-trunk packages from michel, which i guess will include this, not sure though.

Where does he abide on the net?

*BFN*

Greek Geek :-)

"Our Priorities are Our Users and Free Software" --- Social Contract

Sven Luther wrote:

On Sat, Nov 16, 2002 at 05:33:14PM -0500, Russell Neches wrote:

Hey there --

I'm having some trouble configuring an ATI Radeon 9000. It seems that
X and lspci can't identify the card. I'm not sure if that's the fault
of the card for not identifying itself correctly, or if the right ID
strings are missing.

01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc: Unknown device 4966 (rev 01)
01:00.1 Display controller: ATI Technologies Inc: Unknown device 496e (rev 01)

The radeon driver fails to identify the card, so it doesn't even try
to work:

(WW) RADEON: No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:1:0:1) found

No wonder, since the radeon 9000 not yet existed by the time the 4.2.0
(on which 4.2.1 is only a security bug fix) was released.

From what I know about this card, it's basically an 8500 with
extensions. I also stumbled across commercial drivers from Xi (!?!).
In theory, I ought to be able to set it up as an 8500 (and give up the
extensions the 9000 offers).

There were reports of it working, even with DRI, so you are right, but
it needs 4.3.0/dri-tree.

I would look onto the dri mailing list archive at sourceforge or on the
X mailing list archive, for some information.

Alternatively, you could make use of the dri-trunk packages from michel,
which i guess will include this, not sure though.

Would some kind person explain to me how to go about this? I've never
set up a card that wasn't recognized by its driver.

Like said, either building X from CVS or installing Michel's dri-trunk
package should make it work.

Alternatively, read the XF86Config and try to find how to make X believe
it is another board, there is an option for this, maybe called chipset,
but i don't remember well, never having used it, it worked for the 7500
in the 4.1.0 days. That said, you will not have the r200 DRI that you
would get from michel's packages.

Friendly,

Sven Luther

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Re: putzing with the Radeon 9000


Hi Yall & Russll,

you & me both, when it comes to these Radeon 9000 Pros *mutter-mutter*

We both get the same output from lspci.

On the XFree86 "xpert" list, the advise is too


The patch for Radoen 9000, M9 and Radeon 9700 2D support has been 
submitted and will be in XFree CVS tree in the near future.
9000 and 8500 don't share the same IDs, that's for sure. Meanwhile 
specifying ChipID in the config file with a 8500 or 7500 ID is a
correct solution for getting 9000 or M9 to work with the existing X4.2xx 
Radoen dirver (2D part only, note this won't work with 9700).
If you specify ChipID with a 8500 ID (0x4242 for example), it will only 
work with the single head config.
If you want both heads to work correctly with a dual-head/Xinerama 
setup, use a 7500 (0x5157) or a VE ID (0x5159 for example).


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Radeon 9000 Pro

2002-11-13 Thread Haralambos Geortgilakis



Hi All,

Ive just tried to get my Radeon card going, by using the

Option "ChipId 0x4242"

in my Xfree86 config file, with XFree86-4.2.xx, viz the lastest deb's & 
had no joy   :-(

Any hints most greatfully & needfully accpeted!

Greek Geek


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add ten percent.



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Re: KDE 3.0.4 update & various errors struck....

2002-11-12 Thread Haralambos Geortgilakis



Hi All & Bruce & Colin,

thanx guys-I've got it up now :-)

I've got XFree86-4.2.xx too.

Now I just need to figure out how to edit my config file, to get my 
Radeon 9000 Pro up & swap out the "ancient" Radeon 7000 VE.

Greek Geek :-)


Love is an ideal thing, marriage a real thing; a confusion of the real 
with the ideal never goes unpunished. -- Goethe

Bruce Sass wrote:

On Wed, 13 Nov 2002, Haralambos Geortgilakis wrote:
 

Hi Yall,

from the "Help &  dang the update did not work dept"

What does this mean
   


 

Unpacking libkcal2 (from .../libkcal2_4%3a3.0.4-1_i386.deb) ...
dpkg: error processing
/var/cache/apt/archives/libkcal2_4%3a3.0.4-1_i386.deb (--unpack):
trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/libkcal.la', which is also in package
kdepim-libs
   


The libkcal.la file exists in (at least) two packages, and dpkg don't
like that so it skips over the problem.  You can force the issue
with:
	dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache...libkcal2...deb

IF you are confident that doing so will not mess anything up.

 

Selecting previously deselected package libkgantt0.
Unpacking libkgantt0 (from .../libkgantt0_4%3a3.0.4-1_i386.deb) ...
dpkg: error processing
/var/cache/apt/archives/libkgantt0_4%3a3.0.4-1_i386.deb (--unpack):
trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/libkgantt.so.0.0.2', which is also in
package kdepim-libs
   


ditto for this also


Seeing how they are both KDE packages from the same release, I would
go ahead and --force-overwrite, then file a bug report.


- Bruce


 




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KDE 3.0.4 update & various errors struck....

2002-11-12 Thread Haralambos Geortgilakis



Hi Yall,

from the "Help &  dang the update did not work dept"

What does this mean


Removing `diversion of /usr/lib/libkssl.la to /usr/lib/libkssl-nossl.la 
by kdelibs3-crypto'
Selecting previously deselected package libqt3.
(Reading database ... 80317 files and directories currently installed.)
Unpacking libqt3 (from .../libqt3_2%3a3.0.5-3_i386.deb) ...
Selecting previously deselected package libqt3-mt.
Unpacking libqt3-mt (from .../libqt3-mt_2%3a3.0.5-3_i386.deb) ...
Selecting previously deselected package libkcal2.
Unpacking libkcal2 (from .../libkcal2_4%3a3.0.4-1_i386.deb) ...
dpkg: error processing 
/var/cache/apt/archives/libkcal2_4%3a3.0.4-1_i386.deb (--unpack):
trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/libkcal.la', which is also in package 
kdepim-libs
Selecting previously deselected package kalarmd.
Unpacking kalarmd (from .../kalarmd_4%3a3.0.4-1_i386.deb) ...
Selecting previously deselected package libkgantt0.
Unpacking libkgantt0 (from .../libkgantt0_4%3a3.0.4-1_i386.deb) ...
dpkg: error processing 
/var/cache/apt/archives/libkgantt0_4%3a3.0.4-1_i386.deb (--unpack):
trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/libkgantt.so.0.0.2', which is also in 
package kdepim-libs
dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)
Preparing to replace korganizer 4:2.2.2-5 (using 
.../korganizer_4%3a3.0.4-1_i386.deb) ...
Unpacking replacement korganizer ...
Errors were encountered while processing:
/var/cache/apt/archives/libkcal2_4%3a3.0.4-1_i386.deb
/var/cache/apt/archives/libkgantt0_4%3a3.0.4-1_i386.deb



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Re: Mozilla icon in titlebar

2002-11-11 Thread Haralambos Geortgilakis


Hi All & Phil,

who typed 




Once upon a time (mozilla 1.0, I think) the titlebar menu icon (and thus the
icon on things like the KDE panel) was a little Mozilla icon.

Lately it's reverted to the standard X that gets put on all X11 apps which
do not specify their own icon.

What do I need to change to get the little distinctive Mozilla icon back?
 



Right Click on the KDE panel (right hand side of the task-bar), move 
your mouse up to the top of the pop-up menue entry, that says panel. Now 
select "add," then on this new pop-up menus select 
"non-KDE-Application." this will bring up a file browser, titled "select 
an executable." Now surf off to whatever the app it is you want 
inclueded is This is how I added Netscape 7.0 and its executable is 
in /usr/local/netscape, but you want /usr/lib/mozilla.

*HTH*

Greek Geek :-)



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to like it rationally. -- Oscar Wilde








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Re: WordPerfect 8.0 or WordPerfect Office 2000

2002-11-10 Thread Haralambos Geortgilakis



Hi All & Karsten,

who responded to my call for help.

Thanx guys  :-)

H  :-)


"Our products just aren't engineered for security."-- Brian Valentine, 
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WordPerfect 8.0 or WordPerfect Office 2000

2002-11-10 Thread Haralambos Geortgilakis



Hi All,

anyone hereabouts have joy getting either or both of these old beasts of 
verbal burden up & running on Debian 3.0?

If so, any trix for one new to Debian & whose old Tux trix fail

*BFN*

H  :-)


"It is a custom carbon fiber bodied ferrari GTO with a one-of-a-kind 
billet aluminum twin turbo V12 It was supposed to be done two years 
ago -- mechanics are worse than programmers."---John Carmack


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Re: Looking to switch to debian...

2002-11-09 Thread Haralambos Geortgilakis


Hi ZephyrQ & Yall,

good to see another SuSE refugee hereabouts ;-)

I found the 


The Very Verbose Debian 3.0 Installation Walkthrough

By Clinton De Young - Posted on 2002-10-27 18:15:48 at OSNews 
[http://www.osnews.com/]


most helpfull, as is this list :-)

The only thing I am finding painfull, is my Radeon 9000 Pro; but I am 
working on that.

*HTH*

Greek Geek :-)

Osamu Aoki wrote:

On Sat, Nov 09, 2002 at 07:11:18PM -0600, ZephyrQ wrote:
 

	--documentation for me to read to help me figure stuff out.
   


I know debian installer guide, etc. are hard to find :-)

I made one temporary page here.

 http://people.debian.org/~osamu/newbie.html

This should guide you through install where to look for.

Good luck.

 Osamu
 
 





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(none):/home/haralambos# Whoops-how do I configure a hostname.....

2002-11-07 Thread Haralambos Geortgilakis


Hi all again,

whoops & Doh! I managed to miss this out in my installation.

What is the easiest way to fix this, so I can use Gnome again?

*TIA*

Greek Geek


Santa's elves are just a bunch of subordinate Clauses.



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Re: Radeon 8500

2002-11-07 Thread Haralambos Geortgilakis



Hi All & Chris,

who is a swine! ;-)

OK, now I've got that off my chest-let me xplain...

Your Radeon 8500 is "officially" supported by ATI-go to there site & 
download the drivers & install.

I am not sure how hard this will be, but I guess there is a howto or 
readme or some such with the download

Now, I have a Radeon 9000 Pro & the dam thing has no "Official" drivers 
yet from ATI or XFree86. *frown*

There is a cludge, but I need to download XFree86 4.2.xx, from Debian 
"testing"

Yes, it is odd that Debian did not find your card, but it does ship with 
a somewhat "dated" 4.1.0-16 version of XFRee86, so that may xplain that.

*HTH* ?

*BFN*

Greek Geek :-)


You can learn many things from children. How much patience you have, for 
instance. -- Franklin P. Jones


Chris wrote:

Hello,

 Im having no luck getting X to work with Debian(3). I have a ATI Radeon8500
card. I chose the 2.4 kernel at install time and chose to include the ati
module (I think).  Here is the end of my /var/log/XFree86.0.log file...
(snip)
(II) ATI: ATI driver (version 6.3.6) for chipsets: ati, ativga
(II) R128: Driver for ATI Rage 128 chipsets: ATI Rage 128 RE (PCI),
   ATI Rage 128 RF (AGP), ATI Rage 128 RG (AGP), ATI Rage 128 RK (PCI),
   ATI Rage 128 RL (AGP), ATI Rage 128 Pro PD (PCI),
   ATI Rage 128 Pro PF (AGP), ATI Rage 128 Pro PP (PCI),
   ATI Rage 128 Pro PR (PCI), ATI Rage 128 Mobility LE (PCI),
   ATI Rage 128 Mobility LF (AGP), ATI Rage 128 Mobility MF (AGP),
   ATI Rage 128 Mobility ML (AGP)
(II) RADEON: Driver for ATI Radeon chipsets: ATI Radeon QD (AGP),
   ATI Radeon QE (AGP), ATI Radeon QF (AGP), ATI Radeon QG (AGP),
   ATI Radeon VE (AGP)
(II) Primary Device is: PCI 01:00:0
(II) ATI:  Candidate "Device" section "Generic Video Card".
(WW) ATI:  PCI/AGP Mach64 in slot 1:0:0 could not be detected!
(EE) No devices detected.

  I dont know how to "detect" the device. This card is recognized at install
by Mandrake,Redhat, or slackware .. but I dont remember doing anything special
to get them working.

Thanks, Chris


 





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How to add "testing" source to my apt.conf?

2002-11-05 Thread Haralambos Geortgilakis


Hi all,

my eyes are turning redder & my head is spining. Maybe I am over tired?

Anyhow'z, after reading a few FAQ'z & examples & still am baffled (prog 
feedback says there is an error, but not how to fix it), as to how 
to correctly add a url, so I can use Synaptic to get .debs.

What is the correct syntax please?

*TIA* again  :-)

Greek Geek  :-)


"X --> Xtensive
P --> Punishment"


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XFree86 4.2 update howto?



Hi All,

I am new to Debian & am trying to figure out a few things.

How do I solve the folloing error message?


(none):/home/haralambos# ./synaptic
bash: ./synaptic: No such file or directory
(none):/home/haralambos# synaptic
Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
Xlib: Client is not authorized to connect to Server
synaptic:could not open display
(none):/home/haralambos#


Secondly, what is the easiest way to point Synaptic to a local Debian 
mirror & download/install it?

*TIA* & *BFN*

Greek Geek  :-)


This is clearly another case of too many mad scientists, and not enough 
hunchbacks.


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Re: Wish us all luck...



Hi All & Mark,

good luck!  

Say, do you know if the Debian 4.2 will have the CVS support for the 
Radeon 9000 cards?

Greek Geek  :-)


The worst thing about some men is that when they are not drunk they are 
sober. -- William Butler Yeats


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Re: Netscape 7.0 installation Error-Help please.


Hi All & Colin,

thanx guys, that helped installing it, but now it wont run (either as 
root or vanilla user)!?!?

Um, it has behaved itself in other distros-but the distros didn't

Any suggestions?

H :-)



Colin Watson wrote:

On Tue, Nov 05, 2002 at 12:38:00AM +1300, Haralambos Geortgilakis wrote:


./netscape-installer-bin: error while loading shared libraries: 
libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file 
or directory


Install the libstdc++2.9-glibc2.1 package. In future you can use the
search engine on http://packages.debian.org/ to answer these kinds of
questions.

Cheers,







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Netscape 7.0 installation Error-Help please.