Reviving Usenet Was: How to find suitable mailing list or USENET group
Max writes: > Gnus (Emacs) should be a bit more than just text UI. Yes, of course Gnus: it's what I use. But there is no point in mentioning anything connected with Emacs when talking about enticing people away from Facebook et al even though it is actually quite easy to use these days. -- John Hasler j...@sugarbit.com Elmwood, WI USA
Re: How to find suitable mailing list or USENET group
Sirius writes: > Usenet is rather quiet these days, something I hope will change once > people tire of web-forums that is more preoccupied with showing you > ads than they are solving your problem. Not as long as browsers fail to support it and the myth that it cannot handle anything but plain text persists. That's a Big Eight rule, not a limitation on the software. It is obsolete and should be dropped. It doesn't even apply to the alt hierarchy. NNTP is a peer-to-peer protocol: you also don't need centralized servers. In the old days it took a T1 and a VAX but now anyone with a laptop, a fixed IP (or IPV6) and Starlink or fiber could outperform IHNP4. I don't think a graphical Usenet client exists but it easily could. Even easier might be a browser plugin. -- John Hasler j...@sugarbit.com Elmwood, WI USA
Re: how2 format a flash drive
George at Clug writes: > While collecting information about individuals and selling their data > is common practice these days It's common practice because people won't pay for services but will tolerate advertising. > Of course, by the mere fact of visiting a web site (for example, that > has Google Analytics installed) I've never visited a site that cares that I block Google Analytics. The best way to protect your "personal information" is to not have accounts with any of the popular "social media" services, especially Google, Facebook, and Twitter (and never use Windows, of course). -- John Hasler j...@sugarbit.com Elmwood, WI USA
Re: How to use /etc/adjtime
David writes: > With chrony, you can monitor the RTC over time and adjust the system > clock in accordance with its drift rate at boot time, without > correcting the RTC itself, or you can actually set the RTC from the > system clock periodically. That leads to the probelem that started this thread: system time being set incorrectly at boot and then stepped later. > The particular problem at shutdown is that there were/are systems, as > you described, that write the system time to the RTC without > necessarily regarding how you might be running the clock otherwise. > That alteration is unknowable for chrony when it restarts after > booting. Obviously you must make sure that only one process ever writes to the RTC. Actually you need never write to the RTC at all: just track its offset and drift rate. That would require hacking the boot process to make sure only your code ever reads it, though. -- John Hasler j...@sugarbit.com Elmwood, WI USA
Re: How to use /etc/adjtime
David writes: > It's not clear to me which NTP (protocol) packages are set up to use > the util-linux stuff, assuming you're not rolling your own > startup/shutdown scripts. (That's the problem in the Subject line, in > a sense.) Chrony can. I don't know about Ntpsec. But that doesn't get the adjustment made early enough. > The critical part of the whole operation AIUI is not what happens at > startup, The tricky part, I think, is correcting the rtc before it is used to initialize the system time. Otherwise you'll still have to step or slew the system time. > but at shutdown: writing to the RTC, and the correct preservation of > its state. You write to the rtc and to /etc/adjtime periodically at a rate determined by the computed hot drift rate and also during a controlled shutdown. -- John Hasler j...@sugarbit.com Elmwood, WI USA
Re: How to use /etc/adjtime
Stefan writes: > The question remains: how to make use of that info upon wakeup to > adjust the "initial" time before NTP takes over. hwclock -a can do this. If you use it be sure ntpsec isn't trying to do the same thing. -- John Hasler j...@sugarbit.com Elmwood, WI USA
Re: System time/timezone, was Re: Maximum size .bash_aliases file
I wrote: > 12 Noon and 12 Midnight works. David Wright wrote: > Except that The Wanderer's "strictly correct" version, M for noon, > is out there in some pre-2008 documents. If you use M for noon you should use either AM or PM for midnight. -- John Hasler j...@sugarbit.com Elmwood, WI USA
Re: System time/timezone, was Re: Maximum size .bash_aliases file
The Wanderer writes: > (Similar logic could be used for 11:59:59 PM, 12:00 M, and 12:00:01 AM, > where the standalone M would stand for "midnight". That does expose one > unfortunate weakness of this system: unless you introduce an additional > layer of complexity, e.g. using "00:00 M", the notations for noon and > midnight would be identical.) 12 Noon and 12 Midnight works. -- John Hasler j...@sugarbit.com Elmwood, WI USA
Re: OT - list mail claimed to be "known" spam!
Felix Miata wrote: > Trying to get EL to stop putting subscribed email into "known spam" is > futile. The mechanism EL provides to avoid such diversions doesn't work > with debian mailing list posts. Quit using EL email. Use Pobox. Yes, it costs money. It's worth it. -- John Hasler j...@sugarbit.com Elmwood, WI USA
Re: System time/timezone, was Re: Maximum size .bash_aliases file
Brad Rogers writes: > Due, mainly, to the literacy of the people that moved, rather than any > deliberate choice. That is, spelling was often a 'best guess'. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Webster's_Dictionary#Noah_Webster's_American_Dictionary_of_the_English_Language -- John Hasler j...@sugarbit.com Elmwood, WI USA
Re: CD/DVD is obsolete or deprecate at 2025?
JHHL writes: > Some of us still prefer physical media Do you mean read-only media? All media are physical. -- John Hasler j...@sugarbit.com Elmwood, WI USA
Re: "Repeaters", etc.
David writes: > AIUI in the USA for residential 120/240V single-phase three-wire service > drops, electrical utilities either run all three phases along the > distribution line or they run two phases. Running one phase and a neutral > instead of two phases would reduce the power by the square root of 3 Here in rural Wisconsin the 7200V distribution line leaves the substation as three phases and a grounded neutral. This eventually branches out into three single phase lines consisting of a phase and a grounded neutral. The pole pigs are connected phase to neutral. -- John Hasler j...@sugarbit.com Elmwood, WI USA
Re: Cindex
https://www.opencindex.com/about-cindex/ -- John Hasler j...@sugarbit.com Elmwood, WI USA
Re: youtube-dl blocked?
Package: yt-dlp Version: 2024.04.09-1 Installed-Size: 10294 Maintainer: Unit 193 Architecture: all Depends: python3-brotli, python3-certifi, python3-mutagen, python3-pycryptodome, python3-requests, python3-urllib3, python3-websockets, python3:any, python3-pkg-resources Recommends: aria2 | wget | curl, ca-certificates, ffmpeg Suggests: libfribidi-bin | bidiv, phantomjs Description-en: downloader of videos from YouTube and other sites yt-dlp is a youtube-dl fork based on the now inactive youtube-dlc. The main focus of this project is adding new features and patches while also keeping up to date with the original project. . yt-dlp is a small command-line program to download videos from YouTube.com and other sites that don't provide direct links to the videos served. -- John Hasler j...@sugarbit.com Elmwood, WI USA
Re: What use can i give to linux?
Desktop Linux is widely used in physics and mathematics. NASA uses Linux extensively, including on Mars and on the ISS. SpaceX uses Linux on their rockets and spacecraft. Over 90% of the top 1 million Web servers run Linux, including Yahoo, X, and Ebay. Almost all supercomputers use Linux. Linux has a large and growing share of the automotive market. Your router almost certainly runs Linux. -- John Hasler j...@sugarbit.com Elmwood, WI USA
Re: making Debian secure by default
Joe writes: > Which didn't happen, at least not for two years. It happened eventually, which is my point. > I would suggest that for any software as critical as OpenSSL, more > than one pair of eyes would have been appropriate *before* release. I would suggest that critical projects such as OpenSSL need to practice a form of "dependecy management" analogous to "supply chain management": track dependency chains and periodically re-qualify each level. A full audit might not be possible but at least look closely enough to notice when a library is being supported by one overworked guy who is taking patches from random strangers. NOTE: this is just a suggestion. I don't claim to be any sort of security expert nor am I trying to tell anyone what to do. -- John Hasler j...@sugarbit.com Elmwood, WI USA
Re: making Debian secure by default
Joe writes: > I think this was amply demonstrated by Heartbleed, where the offending > code was examined by *one* other pair of eyes, before approval was > granted for inclusion in OpenSSL. The "many eyes" phase comes after release. -- John Hasler j...@sugarbit.com Elmwood, WI USA
Re: Root password strength
tomas writes: > Actually, I use between pwgen -n 8 (user pw) and pwgen -n 16 (LUKS > encryption). -n is the default for pwgen. Note that this slightly reduces the size of the search space. Unfortunately many sites require it. > I memorize the most important of them. I memorize the ones I use most often through use. -- John Hasler j...@sugarbit.com Elmwood, WI USA
Re: Root password strength
Pierre-Elliott Bécue writes: > My home sees plenty different people coming in. Some I trust, some I > trust less. Also videocalls is a nice way to get a paper password > recorded (and yes it happens). I keep my passwords in a small book the size of a passport and I secure it the same way I secure my wallet. No visitor is going to get access to it and no video call would get a look at it (if I did those). Bruce Schneier recommends this approach. Most people are going to use crackable passwords if you insist that they memorize them. You can't stop that by yelling at them. I use a password manager for non-critical passwords, but I also write them down in my password book. I don't want to lose them in a disk crash and I won't store anthing important in the "cloud". The never write down a password rule originated back when you only had one 6 or 8 character password which you used to log on to the VAX via the VT100 in your cubicle. People would stick a slip of paper with their password on it under the keyboard where the janitor could get at it. -- John Hasler j...@sugarbit.com Elmwood, WI USA
Re: Root password strength
Pierre-Elliott Bécue writes: > Writing down a password is a bad idea. Why? -- John Hasler j...@sugarbit.com Elmwood, WI USA
Re: Root password strength
Use one of the password generating programs such as pwgen to produce a 12 character random password. Write it down. -- John Hasler j...@sugarbit.com Elmwood, WI USA
Re: Root password strength
Pierre-Elliott Bécue writes: > A phrase you will easily remember but that would be hardcore to guess > through social engineering is perfect. Better is a random string that you write down. When people try to generate phrases that meet those requirements they usually fail. -- John Hasler j...@sugarbit.com Elmwood, WI USA
Re: strange time problem with bullseye
Look at the chronyd settime command and the chrony.conf makestep directive. These are intended for your situation. -- John Hasler j...@sugarbit.com Elmwood, WI USA
Re: debian-devel wishlist "bugs"
https://wiki.debian.org/RFP -- John Hasler j...@sugarbit.com Elmwood, WI USA
Re: medically smart watches
Gene writes: > I have only one enabled radio, in a 3d printer, lists all the > neighbors wifi routers it scans for and I assume the neighbors can > hear it, but this things login id does not appear in its scan. Maybe > its duff, IDK. Bluetooth is not WiFi. Different protocols. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluetooth -- John Hasler j...@sugarbit.com Elmwood, WI USA
Re: medically smart watches
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noninvasive_glucose_monitor -- John Hasler j...@sugarbit.com Elmwood, WI USA
Re: How can we change the keyboard layout?
Greg writes: > To "change the keyboard layout" could mean either to select a > different layout, or to modify an existing layout. In fact, I think > *most* people would assume the former. I think the possibility of *altering* the keyboard layout would not even occur to most users. -- John Hasler j...@sugarbit.com Elmwood, WI USA
Re: Copy from Firefox and paste into Terminal with Vim
My .vimrc contains syntax on set mouse-=a And pasting works. VIM - Vi IMproved 9.0 (2022 Jun 28, compiled Nov 20 2023 16:05:25) Included patches: 1-2116 -- John Hasler j...@sugarbit.com Elmwood, WI USA
Re: chrony date months off
Max Nikulin wrote: > I think, the problem is no RTC on some *pi board, certainly chrony out of > box setup is not ready to such environment and its solution is not > maxstep. That's what makestep (initstepslew now being deprecated) is for. -- John Hasler j...@sugarbit.com Elmwood, WI USA
Re: chrony date months off
Gene writes: > How do I setup /etc/chrony/chrony.conf so it slams the system clock to > the current time on the first cycle as its rebooting? initstepslew man chrony.conf -- John Hasler j...@sugarbit.com Elmwood, WI USA
Re: in an object oriented world
Songbird writes: > because it only comes from GOD. no other process can send this > signal. I meant why should GOD believe the reply? > objects are only created by authorized calls to other > objects so there is no pathway to infect if done correctly. > if you do not allow random objects to be created that > are not verified and vetted then there are no viruses. Then there is no need for your verification process. -- John Hasler j...@sugarbit.com Elmwood, WI USA
Re: in an object oriented world
Songbird writes: > every thing running on a computer should be able to say: > "I am [x version ...], these are my parents [y, z, 1, ...], i was > compiled by program [...] from source code [...], here are my > credentials [blah, blah]" > when sent a signal from GOD. Why should she believe it? > any process which does not respond should be thus cast into the outer > darkness of the bits and never to return (aka a virus or unauthorized > program). Malware can lie. A virus can infect an authorized program and use its credentials. -- John Hasler j...@sugarbit.com Elmwood, WI USA
Re: I've an editable .pdf form I need to fill out
Klaus writes: > Did you notice, that I was talking about the reduced, crippled OpenSource > browser: chromium I wrote: > In what way is it crippled? Gene writes: > Port 80 has been hijacked. You cannot send it to monitor your own web > page at http://localhost:80, but the result is a 403 because google > doesn't know WTH to do with localhost... I just tried that. No hijacking: works fine. -- John Hasler j...@sugarbit.com Elmwood, WI USA
Re: I've an editable .pdf form I need to fill out
Greg Wooledge writes: > Chrome does not "hijack port 80". You can go to http://localhost:80/ > to talk to a local web server *just fine* in Chrome. And in Chromium. And in Firefox or Lynx when Chromium is running. Nothing's being hijacked. -- John Hasler j...@sugarbit.com Elmwood, WI USA
Re: I've an editable .pdf form I need to fill out
Klaus writes: > Did you notice, that I was talking about the reduced, crippled OpenSource > browser: chromium In what way is it crippled? -- John Hasler j...@sugarbit.com Elmwood, WI USA
Re: counting commas
Roy J. Tellason writes: > Where does that leave those of us that wrote c for CP/M? I wrote: > Or for MTS? Gene writes: > That, i've not heard of John, please expand. Michigan Terminal System. A multi-user OS running on the Amdahl 470V/6 at the University of Michigan. -- John Hasler j...@sugarbit.com Elmwood, WI USA
Re: counting commas
Roy J. Tellason writes: > Where does that leave those of us that wrote c for CP/M? Or for MTS? -- John Hasler j...@sugarbit.com Elmwood, WI USA
Re: counting commas
debian-u...@howorth.org.uk writes: > There shouldn't be a comma in that sentence, in English. There is in > the closely related expression "I won, you lost." The program has to be able to deal with bad writing. > At the risk of being seen as old-fashioned, but as a user of both > languages, I think Perl is a much better choice than C for string > processing. Use SPITBOL. -- John Hasler j...@sugarbit.com Elmwood, WI USA
Re: No Release file for Security Update
Tixy writes: > Where could your machine be getting this IP address from? It's the > same IP address shown in your output when you used the incorrect > address 'ftp.security.debian.org' and for me that doesn't resolve to > any IP address. >From here both security.debian.org and ftp.security.debian.org resolve to 57.128.81.193. Happens both with Unbound and with 8.8.8.8. toncho/~ 22 dig ftp.security-debian.org ; <<>> DiG 9.19.19-1-Debian <<>> ftp.security-debian.org ;; global options: +cmd ;; Got answer: ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 2686 ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 2, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 1 ;; OPT PSEUDOSECTION: ; EDNS: version: 0, flags:; udp: 1232 ;; QUESTION SECTION: ;ftp.security-debian.org. IN A ;; ANSWER SECTION: ftp.security-debian.org. 3296 IN CNAME security-debian.org. security-debian.org.3089IN A 57.128.81.193 ;; Query time: 0 msec ;; SERVER: 192.168.1.2#53(192.168.1.2) (UDP) ;; WHEN: Thu Jan 18 12:03:08 CST 2024 ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 101 toncho/~ 22 dig @8.8.8.8 ftp.security-debian.org ; <<>> DiG 9.19.19-1-Debian <<>> @8.8.8.8 ftp.security-debian.org ; (1 server found) ;; global options: +cmd ;; Got answer: ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 42376 ;; flags: qr rd ra ad; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 2, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 1 ;; OPT PSEUDOSECTION: ; EDNS: version: 0, flags:; udp: 512 ;; QUESTION SECTION: ;ftp.security-debian.org. IN A ;; ANSWER SECTION: ftp.security-debian.org. 3600 IN CNAME security-debian.org. security-debian.org.3600IN A 57.128.81.193 ;; Query time: 308 msec ;; SERVER: 8.8.8.8#53(8.8.8.8) (UDP) ;; WHEN: Thu Jan 18 12:03:42 CST 2024 ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 82 toncho/~ 22 dig @8.8.8.8 security-debian.org ; <<>> DiG 9.19.19-1-Debian <<>> @8.8.8.8 security-debian.org ; (1 server found) ;; global options: +cmd ;; Got answer: ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 13855 ;; flags: qr rd ra ad; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 1, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 1 ;; OPT PSEUDOSECTION: ; EDNS: version: 0, flags:; udp: 512 ;; QUESTION SECTION: ;security-debian.org. IN A ;; ANSWER SECTION: security-debian.org.3600IN A 57.128.81.193 ;; Query time: 284 msec ;; SERVER: 8.8.8.8#53(8.8.8.8) (UDP) ;; WHEN: Thu Jan 18 12:05:00 CST 2024 ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 64 -- John Hasler j...@sugarbit.com Elmwood, WI USA
Re: No Release file for Security Update
Host gives me the same result. However, apt says: 0% [Connecting to security-debian.org (57.128.81.193)] and times out. Using "nameserver 8.8.8.8" changes nothing. -- John Hasler j...@sugarbit.com Elmwood, WI USA
Re: No Release file for Security Update
Thomas George wrote: > I typed the above line exactly. apt-get update searches for > security.debian.org:80 [57.128.81.193] and times out, no connection Gene writes: > And that is not the address I get from here It's the one I get from here, and it times out. My DNS is working. -- John Hasler j...@sugarbit.com Elmwood, WI USA
Re: How to prevent rtkit from giving firefox higher priority?
I wrote: > You may be able to prevent Firefox from getting increased priority by > using polkit. hw writes: > How would I do that? All the freedektop stuff always has been a big > mystery, and polkit is part of it, or isn't it? I don't know, but it at least has a man page and I think that this is the sort of stuff it is supposed to be for. Worth investigating. -- John Hasler j...@sugarbit.com Elmwood, WI USA
Re: How to prevent rtkit from giving firefox higher priority?
You may be able to prevent Firefox from getting increased priority by using polkit. -- John Hasler j...@sugarbit.com Elmwood, WI USA
Re: Seeking a Terminal Emulator on Debian for "Passthrough" Printing
Thierry writes: > Currently, PuTTY is an option but its current version has limitations > that make it insufficient for our operational use. Commission the PuTTY authors to add the missing features or pay someone else to do it if they aren't interested. https://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/ -- John Hasler j...@sugarbit.com Elmwood, WI USA
Re: Temporary failure in name resolution
Curt writes: > Yet the reserved gTLDs from the 2018 ICANN resolution are .home, .corp, > and .mail. Does home.arpa comply with that resolution? Yes. Turns out that there were existing uses of '.home'. Also, putting it under 'arpa.' puts it under IETF control. https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc8375 -- John Hasler j...@sugarbit.com Elmwood, WI USA
Re: Donate money
David writes: > This forces _everybody_ to comply with American law: unilateral world > order by any other name. It is not a uniquely USA law. It's part of an international scheme in which most governments participate. > A directly attributed, undisguised donation to an Assange fund, or any > other (because this applied to more than one isolated case) does not > qualify as `money-laundering'. I didn't say that it did. I said that preventing "money laundering" is what the scheme *purports* to do. > Yes, we definitely need something better than Paypal. I don't like PayPal either but you won't find any way to do international transactions without dealing with obnoxious regulations. -- John Hasler j...@sugarbit.com Elmwood, WI USA
Re: Donate money
David writes: > The way they would withhold payments as not going to approved entities > by the powers that be has forced me into believing they are more of an > information gathering utility disguised as a financial one. If you > undertake to act as a medium in a financial transaction, that's what > you do. They have to comply with the (vaguely worded) law if they want to stay in business. I doubt that they like it any more than we do. > You don't put through some transactions and not others, simply because > they are heading to an Assange fund or some other entity not currently > approved of by American foreign policy preference. The "know your customer" regulations are by no means a US-only phenomena. It's supposed to prevent "money laundering". -- John Hasler j...@sugarbit.com Elmwood, WI USA
Re: systemd-timesyncd
Gene writes: > Lately, everytime I go anywhere near google or a gmail link I get > attacked by a virus that calls itself norton antivirus. Delete all your Firefox caches and upgrade Firefox. That phishing malware has nothing to do with Google or Norton. You acquired it by visiting an infected or malicious Web site. Quit using Google search. Use DuckDuckGo. -- John Hasler j...@sugarbit.com Elmwood, WI USA
Re: SOLVED FOR GENE:Re: was: Re: tzdata-legacy [was: Re: systemd and timezone]
Try manpages.org . -- John Hasler j...@sugarbit.com Elmwood, WI USA
Re: was: Re: tzdata-legacy [was: Re: systemd and timezone]
The documentation for Chrony is: chrony.conf (5) - chronyd configuration file chronyc (1) - command-line interface for chrony daemon chronyd (8) - chrony daemon Also see /usr/share/doc/chrony . Don't use "pool" to sync to a single source. Use "server". man chrony.conf -- John Hasler j...@sugarbit.com Elmwood, WI USA
Re: Content of /etc/ethers
The man page for /etc/ethers (a file) is in net-tools. The file does not exist on my Sid system. The man page: NAME ethers - Ethernet address to IP number database DESCRIPTION /etc/ethers contains 48 bit Ethernet addresses and their corresponding IP numbers, one line for each IP number: Ethernet-address IP-number The two items are separated by any number of SPACE and/or TAB characters. A # at the beginning of a line starts a comment which ex‐ tends to the end of the line. The Ethernet-address is written as x:x:x:x:x:x, where x is a hexadecimal number between 0 and ff which represents one byte of the address, which is in network byte order (big-endian). The IP-number may be a hostname which can be resolved by DNS or a dot separated number. EXAMPLES 08:00:20:00:61:CA pal FILES /etc/ethers SEE ALSO arp(8), rarp(8) >From the arp man page: -f filename, --file filename Similar to the -s option, only this time the address info is taken from file filename. This can be used if ARP entries for a lot of hosts have to be set up. The name of the data file is very often /etc/ethers, but this is not official. If no filename is specified /etc/ethers is used as default. -- John Hasler j...@sugarbit.com Elmwood, WI USA
Re: URLs in Mutt
Greg Wooledge: > It's been my experience that the hyperlinks I'm meant to click are so > long that they wrap around the terminal width multiple times. This > makes copy/pasting them tedious at best, and even then it still > sometimes fails for me. My wife has the same problem. -- John Hasler j...@sugarbit.com Elmwood, WI USA
Re: difference in seconds between two formatted dates ...
Jeff writes: > I don't know why Z was used instead of UTC or GMT. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coordinated_Universal_Time#Time_zones -- John Hasler j...@sugarbit.com Elmwood, WI USA
Re: wireless broadband providers exist
Jeff writes: > I would probably contact the FCC and see what their [the FTC] position > is when a city attempts to grant a monopoly to a service provider. Cities can decide who they allow to string cables over or under their streets. They can't regulate radio, though. > It does not affect your decision to use Yahoo or Hotmail for your > email service. Better to use a fee for service email provider such as Fastmail. -- John Hasler j...@sugarbit.com Elmwood, WI USA
Re: wireless broadband providers exist
pocket writes: > wireless "high-speed" Internet access is prohibited as stated in the > agreement (made in the year 1995) between city council and time warner > who was bought out by charter/spectrum That's binding on the city government, not on you. In the USA the city can deny a wireless provider the use of any city-owned land, but they cannot regulate radio transmission or reception. That is the exclusive jurisdiction of the FCC. -- John Hasler j...@sugarbit.com Elmwood, WI USA
Re: lists
pocket writes: > I never implied that, only that the ISP services are spectrum only in the > area I live. No Starlik? In any case what ISP you use is unrelated to what email provider you use. I use pobox.com, but there are others. -- John Hasler j...@sugarbit.com Elmwood, WI USA
Re: Debian 12.4.0
Cindy Sue Causey writes: > I abhor having to type into the console. Apparently I "slur" my > keystrokes while the system has a pretty fast keystroke repeat going. man kbdrate -- John Hasler j...@sugarbit.com Elmwood, WI USA
Re: IMPORTANT: do NOT upgrade to new stable point release
Andy writes: > This fails with leap seconds, potentially, and also TAI astronomical > time seems to be its own animal. TAI isn't good enough for the astronomers. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrestrial_Time -- John Hasler j...@sugarbit.com Elmwood, WI USA
Re: ToG Linux (first draft of a RFC) ...
Greg writes: > Is he simply talking about sneakernet? A human administrator, whom I > imagine to be the "god" in this scenario, walks around and room and > types things on each computer as needed? Carrying removable media around. -- John Hasler j...@sugarbit.com Elmwood, WI USA
Re: ToG Linux (first draft of a RFC) ...
Arno writes: > At this point it becomes quite clear that we have a misunderstanding > at a very low level. Sentences like "run a network of ... computers > without networking interfaces" are something I can not really grasp > with the facilities I have. You could run a slow network by mailing removable media around. In the early days Australia was on Usenet by way of airmailed taps. Then there's https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc2549. Though consider: the earliest computer viruses were transmitted by floppy disk... -- John Hasler j...@sugarbit.com Elmwood, WI USA
Re: Image handling in mutt
Greg writes: > cc(1) and make(1) would like to have a talk with you. Those are applications and can do whatever they want. The OS does not care about extensions. -- John Hasler j...@sugarbit.com Elmwood, WI USA
Re: Hardware TOTP on Linux
Piotr writes: > You could have contacted them to get a replacement, 100% faulty phone > calls means Qualcomm modem was faulty. But I assume you contacted them > and were unhappy with the result, hence your negative opinion on > provided customer support, or lack thereof. They were willing to sell me a replacement circuit board for most of the price of the phone. -- John Hasler j...@sugarbit.com Elmwood, WI USA
Re: Hardware TOTP on Linux
Piotr writes: > Pinephone tick this box. It works quite well, for early development > Linux phone. I wrote: > No support when it doesn't, though. piorunz: > Why you say so? What doesn't? I was never able to get it to complete a phone call. Attempts produced inconsistent results. Some results of searches indicated that the card might need to be activated on another phone (I didn't have one) but a hardware problem seems more likely. Inquiries on the forums produced no results. I successfully installed Mobian but that did not help. Too bad: it does everything I want except make phone calls. > Their website [1] states: "Beta Edition PinePhones are aimed solely at > early adopters. More specifically, only intend for these units to find > their way into the hands of users with extensive Linux experience." I have extensive Linux experience. -- John Hasler j...@sugarbit.com Elmwood, WI USA
Re: Could not find interfaces configuration file /etc/network/interfaces in Debian Linux 11 (bullseye)
Mr. Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming writes: > You managed to install OpenWRT on an Ubiquiti router? Yes. It was quite straightforward. Instructions on the OpenWRT site. -- John Hasler j...@sugarbit.com Elmwood, WI USA
Re: Hardware TOTP on Linux
Piotr writes: > Pinephone tick this box. It works quite well, for early development > Linux phone. No support when it doesn't, though. -- John Hasler j...@sugarbit.com Elmwood, WI USA
Re: debian forgot usr pw
Gene writes: > AND (horrors) have written it down. That's the right thing to do. -- John Hasler j...@sugarbit.com Elmwood, WI USA
Re: debian forgot usr pw
Greg writes: > And you should either *use* it once in a while, so you don't forget > what it is, or else make it the same as your regular account's > password. Write the damn thing down. The world won't end. -- John "Write all your passwords down. It isn't 1980 anymore." Hasler j...@sugarbit.com Elmwood, WI USA
Re: Could not find interfaces configuration file /etc/network/interfaces in Debian Linux 11 (bullseye)
Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming wrote: > UDM Pro runs Debian 11 (bullseye) I have a Ubiquiti router. Before I installed OpenWRT I explored the OS. It uses packages from Bullseye but it is certainly not Debian. You couldn't find that file because it isn't there. -- John Hasler j...@sugarbit.com Elmwood, WI USA
Re: ntpsec as server questions
Greg writes: > You'd think that you can determine the length of the test by > subtracting the start time from the end time, right? That would have worked had the times been stored as UTC (better yet, TAI or Unix time since UTC can cause a similar problem). Databases should never store local time. -- John Hasler j...@sugarbit.com Elmwood, WI USA
Re: Found a liar
Why did you install zsh and then immediately remove it? -- John Hasler j...@sugarbit.com Elmwood, WI USA
Re: ntpsec as server questions
Gene writes: > Thats says this machine has it hdware clock on utc. No. That says that the system clock (not the hardware clock) is synchronized to NTP time. The system clock keeps UNIX time: seconds since the epoch. It is converted to either UTC or local time as approporiate for display. It says nothing about the hardware clock. Try hwclock -l to find out what timezone the hardwareclock is set to. If the box is running systemd try timedatectl -- John Hasler j...@sugarbit.com Elmwood, WI USA
Re: time question, as in ntp?
Gene writes: > I've also setup ntpsec as a server on this machine, and have the > printers chrony synching to this machine but the chrony on the printer > is stuck in PST, exactly 4 hours behind this machine regardless of the > setting in /etc/timezone. Chrony only does UTC. chronyc tracking will tell you what time Chrony thinks it is. -- John Hasler j...@sugarbit.com Elmwood, WI USA
Re: time question, as in ntp?
Max Nikulin wrote: > From my point of view, it should be possible to put a file with > mapping of mac addresses to desired IPs and names to his dd-wrt > router. I expect that dnsmasq is running or can be installed > there. Dnsmasq as a DHCP server on the router should be better than > maintaining hosts files on each machine. dnsmasq will get the hostnames from the machines and put them in its dns. There is really no need to manually enter any MAC addresses or IPs anywhere. I suspect that had the machine been plugged into a network equipped with a properly configured DHCP server it would just work. -- John Hasler j...@sugarbit.com Elmwood, WI USA
Re: time question, as in ntp?
Max Nikulin wrote: > As to a GPS receiver, it should be doable and 169.254.x.y addresses > will not be an issue any more. Be careful with cables when connecting > it however: https://www.wired.com/2012/02/neutrinos-faulty-cable/ CNC machines don't need accurate time. They need precise internal synchronization but that isn't related to the system clocks. The default NTP configuration in most Linux distributions will take care of the system clocks if they have access to the Internet. If not run an NTP server on one machine. -- John Hasler j...@sugarbit.com Elmwood, WI USA
Re: Non-delivery reports from postmas...@ewetel.de
Andy Smith writes: > Is anyone else receiving non-delivery report emails from > postmas...@ewetel.de for every email they post to debian-user? I am. -- John Hasler j...@sugarbit.com Elmwood, WI USA
Re: time question, as in ntp?
Gene writes: > Like I said, boring. Not boring at all. I assume that you also have a desktop or laptop on that network? If I was running it I would *definitely* be using DHCP. -- John Hasler j...@sugarbit.com Elmwood, WI USA
Re: time question, as in ntp?
tomas writes: > Oh, oh... my first "Internet" (not in the sense of IP, obviously!) > connection was via UUCP. Likewise. -- John Hasler ihnp4!stolaf!bungia!foundln!john j...@sugarbit.com Elmwood, WI USA
Re: time question, as in ntp?
Gene writes: > At risk of repeating myself forever, I don't need an unstable address, > I don't want whatever the heck is left in the pool. Hosts files do > that, dhcp doesn't. It just hands out the next number in the pool. > hosts files are static. A forveer lease. You're doing things the hard way, but whatever. In any case that Klipper box is not running Debian: your are on the wrong forum. -- John Hasler j...@sugarbit.com Elmwood, WI USA
Re: time question, as in ntp?
Klipper runs on OctoPi, a customized Linux distribution. As installed it is set up to use DHCP. You can either install a DHCP server on your network and it will just work, or you can figure out how to modify OctoPi to do things your way. You seem to be banging your head against a wall trying to do the latter. BTW my network experience goes back to bang paths. I'm currently using both hosts files and DHCP. -- John Hasler j...@sugarbit.com Elmwood, WI USA
Re: time question, as in ntp?
Gene writes: > let me clarify: This buster machine acting like a 3d printer does NOT > have dhcpcd installed. No trace of it in /etc Only dhcp. I'm sure it's running dhclient. do ls /etc/dhcp and ps ax | grep dhc You don't need to do anything on that machine. Just install a dhcp server somewhere on your network (on the router is conventional) and it will give that machine an ip number. -- John Hasler j...@sugarbit.com Elmwood, WI USA
Re: used vs. unused packages installed
Mike McClain writes: > Is there any way to determine which packages are used of the many that > come with an install? My Raspberry Pi install of bookworm has some > 1800 packages installed many of which I know I don't use, many others > I suspect I don't use but don't know if some program I do use depends > on them at some point in its life. When you remove a package using apt it removes packges that depend on it. Run apt -s remove | grep Remv This will list all the packages that depend on and therefor would also be removed. "apt -s" simulates the action without actually changing anything. It needn't be run as root. -- John Hasler j...@sugarbit.com Elmwood, WI USA
Re: time question, as in ntp?
dhcpcd is a DHCP client with a remarkably poorly chosen name. DHCPCD(8)System Manager’s Manual DHCPCD(8) NAME dhcpcd — a DHCP client dhcpd is a DHCP server. -- John Hasler j...@sugarbit.com Elmwood, WI USA
Re: time question, as in ntp?
Gene writes: > I want to put it at 192.168.71.100/24. How do I do that in > /etc/dhcpcd.conf? You don't. That file tells the client how to get an ip (among other things) from the server. The default configuration should work. You assign static ips on the server when using dhcp. But why do you want to do that? -- John Hasler j...@sugarbit.com Elmwood, WI USA
Re: time question, as in ntp?
Gene writes: > I've been told that /etc/network/interfaces is not the "today way" to > do it. It works fine. > Then [dhcp is] something else I'll have to maintain as my network > grows, A changing network is exactly what dhcp is for. With it you will not need to do anything when you add a machine. -- John Hasler j...@sugarbit.com Elmwood, WI USA
Re: time question, as in ntp?
Install chrony. But first fix that address. -- John Hasler j...@sugarbit.com Elmwood, WI USA
Re: sid
Removing the Gnome desktop will not break anything. There are several "desktops" in Debian: Gnome is merely the default that you get when you indicate that you want one but don't say which. There is in fact no requirement for a "desktop" at all. -- John Hasler j...@sugarbit.com Elmwood, WI USA
Re: question e webkit
https://webkitgtk.org/ -- John Hasler j...@sugarbit.com Elmwood, WI USA
Re: Debian GNU/Linux Books
Much about Debian *doesn't* change. A book about it with Bookworm/Trixie as an example and including a discussion of how it does change could be quite useful. It could be updated every few years. -- John Hasler j...@sugarbit.com Elmwood, WI USA
Re: Linux supprt
Stefan Monnier writes: > I think this still only covers a small fraction of the problem. It > just lowers the bar of the "technically-inclined" limit. I think many > more people just want to have someone they can call on the phone to > help them get through their yearly technical problem. I think that to most people their "devices" (cellphone, desktop, whatever) are appliances. They have no more interest in learning about the internals of those than in the internals of their washing machines. -- John Hasler j...@sugarbit.com Elmwood, WI USA
Re: Password managers
Why does "accepted/popular" matter? -- John Hasler j...@sugarbit.com Elmwood, WI USA
Re: All the unicorns are dead on Linux
to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > IT'S A CONSPIRACY! UNICORNS AREN'T REAL!!! Of course they are real. It's virgins (the only people who can see them) that don't exist. -- John Hasler j...@sugarbit.com Elmwood, WI USA
Re: All the unicorns are dead on Linux
Dan Ritter wrote: > No, we're just riffing about the lack of a fantastical magical > world in which everything works consistently. Karen Lewellen wrote: > Ah.. that world is called DOS. Well, a resident monitor is a lot easier to make consistent than an operating system. -- John Hasler j...@sugarbit.com Elmwood, WI USA
Re: All the unicorns are dead on Linux
I wrote: > On System III directories were files. Nicolas George writes: > On Linux, directories are files. Try to edit one. On System III the same system calls operated on files and directories. -- John Hasler j...@sugarbit.com Elmwood, WI USA
Re: All the unicorns are dead on Linux
Paul Duncan writes: > Yes, but we (on Linux and I *think* on good old System V and BSD 4.3) > have mkfile and mkdir - so surely that means that everything (stored > on a bit of rotating rust) is *not* a file :-) On System III directories were files. -- John Hasler j...@sugarbit.com Elmwood, WI USA
Re: How to compare one folder to one directory
Greg writes: > The use of "directory" in the Unix sense predates graphical UI > development. > ... > ... The whole point of the desktop metaphor was to hide all of that from the user. I'm not defending it: just describing a bit of its history. -- John Hasler j...@sugarbit.com Elmwood, WI USA
Re: On folders vs. directories and history [was: how to compare...]
tomas writes: > Small anecdote: there was an old Linux distro (ISTR it was SuSE) where > something below /etc/init.d (or was it /etc/rc.d? It's a long while > ago) was a symlink to the parent directory, creating an infinite > hierarchy (or a circular reference, depending on how you squint). On System III there was no restriction on hard links: you could create an an arbitrarily complex cyclic graph. Fortunately, I backed up the system before experimenting with this. -- John Hasler j...@sugarbit.com Elmwood, WI USA
Re: [OFFTOPIC] On folders vs. directories and history [was: how to compare...]
tomas writes: > See my other reply. My whole point is about making lives of curious > users easier by sticking to the terminology they'll find should they > dare (yes,please!) to open that door to the cellar. The people at Xerox PARC and SRI who came up with the desktop metaphor in the early years weren't thinking about personal computers. They were working on office automation. -- John Hasler j...@sugarbit.com Elmwood, WI USA
Re: How to compare one folder to one directory
I wrote: > It comes from the Xerox "desktop metaphor". The idea was to hide scary > technical jargon behind familiar office jargon. Loris Bennett wrote: > Personally I don't see "directory" as being more scary or technical > than "folder". They are both words from the pre-computer age which > have been repurposed, just as the term "computer" now no longer refers > to a human who performs computations. This was in the 1970s when the graphical UI was being invented. The idea was that the screen was to look like an actual desktop which might have actual file folders on it. Every icon was supposed to be an image of a familiar office object. In that context a directory is a phone book. -- John Hasler j...@sugarbit.com Elmwood, WI USA
Re: How to compare one folder to one directory
Loris Bennett wrote: > What's the objection to 'folder'? I don't use it myself, but it seems > fairly reasonable to me. Many desktop environments use an old hanging > folder icon in their file browsers. tomas writes: > This is Microsoft jargon. It comes from the Xerox "desktop metaphor". The idea was to hide scary technical jargon behind familiar office jargon. -- John Hasler j...@sugarbit.com Elmwood, WI USA
Re: Changing host name and domain name on Debian; was:Domainnametouse on home networks
Gene writes: > That is informative, thanks Felix, but what is wrong with publishing > the correct address? Correct address for what? You don't want bugzilla.org: that's the home page for the Bugzilla bug tracking program which whoever you are trying to contact uses. -- John Hasler j...@sugarbit.com Elmwood, WI USA
