Re: dovecot sees ~/Maildir, seeks folders in ~/ on Lenny (OK on Etch)
Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: In 4a33b953.5030...@stumbles.org.uk, John Stumbles wrote: I've got dovecot set up on an Etch box to use maildirs, with folders under ~/Maildir. The same setup on Lenny finds a user's INBOX in their ~/Maildir but doesn't find any other folders - instead it looks for them in the user's home directory. Odd, I have a similar setup on Lenny and things work fine. OK, thanks. FWIW I found a workaround: I installed courier instead ;-) -- John Stumbles http://yaph.org.uk :-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-: -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
dovecot sees ~/Maildir, seeks folders in ~/ on Lenny (OK on Etch)
I've got dovecot set up on an Etch box to use maildirs, with folders
under ~/Maildir.
The same setup on Lenny finds a user's INBOX in their ~/Maildir but
doesn't find any other folders - instead it looks for them in the user's
home directory.
The users' filesystem is the same: it is hosted on the Lenny box and
exported to the Etch box. I have fiddled with /etc/dovecot/dovecot.conf
and even copied over the config file from the working Etch box.
I've also tried deleting the ~/Maildir/dovecot.index* files.
I've tested with icedove (thunderbird) and sylpheed on the Etch box
(accessing the dovecot server on the Lenny box) and icedove and mutt on
the Lenny box itself.
I've got `mail_debug = yes` in dovecot.conf but don't get anything
useful in syslog
Jun 13 11:03:45 kryten imapd[9922]: connect from 192.168.1.12 (192.168.1.12)
Jun 13 11:03:45 kryten imapd[9922]: imaps SSL service init from 192.168.1.12
Jun 13 11:03:47 kryten imapd[9922]: Authenticated user=john
host=targa.stumbles.org.uk [192.168.1.12] mech=PLAIN
Jun 13 11:15:02 kryten imapd[9922]: Hangup user=john
host=targa.stumbles.org.uk [192.168.1.12]
Nor do I get a /var/log/dovecot file.
I'm getting to the point of thinking maybe it's a bug with dovecot
itself (although Googling for dovecot debian lenny Maildir bug doesn't
pick up anything like what I'm experiencing) and, as a way of checking
this, I wonder if I could install the Etch version on the Lenny box.
# file `which dovecot`
/usr/sbin/dovecot: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1
(SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.4.1, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for
GNU/Linux 2.4.1, stripped
- suggests I couldn't simply copy the executable and run that, as the
shared libraries would be all wrong. What would be involved in getting
an older version working? I've heard of (but never used) backports
which AIUI are versions from newer distro releases. (And of course I
could try that too, in case it was a bug that got fixed later.)
# perl -ne 'print if /^\s*[^#\s]/' dovecot.conf
protocols = imap imaps
log_path = /var/log/dovecot
login_process_per_connection = yes
mail_location = maildir:~/Maildir
mail_extra_groups = mail
mail_debug = yes
protocol imap {
}
protocol pop3 {
pop3_uidl_format = %08Xu%08Xv
}
auth default {
mechanisms = plain
passdb pam {
}
userdb passwd {
}
user = root
}
dict {
}
plugin {
}
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dovecot sees ~/Maildir, seeks folders in ~/ on Lenny (OK on Etch)
I've got dovecot set up on an Etch box to use maildirs, with folders
under ~/Maildir.
The same setup on Lenny finds a user's INBOX in their ~/Maildir but
doesn't find any other folders - instead it looks for them in the user's
home directory.
The users' filesystem is the same: it is hosted on the Lenny box and
exported to the Etch box. I have fiddled with /etc/dovecot/dovecot.conf
and even copied over the config file from the working Etch box.
I've also tried deleting the ~/Maildir/dovecot.index* files.
I've tested with icedove (thunderbird) and sylpheed on the Etch box
(accessing the dovecot server on the Lenny box) and icedove and mutt on
the Lenny box itself.
I've got `mail_debug = yes` in dovecot.conf but don't get anything
useful in syslog
Jun 13 11:03:45 kryten imapd[9922]: connect from 192.168.1.12 (192.168.1.12)
Jun 13 11:03:45 kryten imapd[9922]: imaps SSL service init from 192.168.1.12
Jun 13 11:03:47 kryten imapd[9922]: Authenticated user=john
host=targa.stumbles.org.uk [192.168.1.12] mech=PLAIN
Jun 13 11:15:02 kryten imapd[9922]: Hangup user=john
host=targa.stumbles.org.uk [192.168.1.12]
Nor do I get a /var/log/dovecot file.
I'm getting to the point of thinking maybe it's a bug with dovecot
itself (although Googling for dovecot debian lenny Maildir bug doesn't
pick up anything like what I'm experiencing) and, as a way of checking
this, I wonder if I could install the Etch version on the Lenny box.
# file `which dovecot`
/usr/sbin/dovecot: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1
(SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.4.1, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for
GNU/Linux 2.4.1, stripped
- suggests I couldn't simply copy the executable and run that, as the
shared libraries would be all wrong. What would be involved in getting
an older version working? I've heard of (but never used) backports
which AIUI are versions from newer distro releases. (And of course I
could try that too, in case it was a bug that got fixed later.)
# perl -ne 'print if /^\s*[^#\s]/' dovecot.conf
protocols = imap imaps
log_path = /var/log/dovecot
login_process_per_connection = yes
mail_location = maildir:~/Maildir
mail_extra_groups = mail
mail_debug = yes
protocol imap {
}
protocol pop3 {
pop3_uidl_format = %08Xu%08Xv
}
auth default {
mechanisms = plain
passdb pam {
}
userdb passwd {
}
user = root
}
dict {
}
plugin {
}
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Configuring laptop interfaces The Debian Way?
I'm trying to set up a laptop with both wired and wireless interfaces. Apart from difficulties in getting the wireless to work I'm a bit surprised by the way even the wired setup works. If I boot up the laptop when the wired ethernet is disconnected it spends quite a long time looking for a DHCP server! Surely this can't be correct behaviour? I'd expect default bootup behaviour to be IF wired ethernet link == up THENtry DHCP ELSEtry wireless ... Am I missing something? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to read phone memory card?
Rodolfo Medina wrote: Thanks for your replies, but not lsusb nor dmesg or fcdisk seem to tell anything about what the device could be. In the output of dmesg there's no `sd*' entry. # tail -f /var/log/messages ...plugs memory card into reader... Oct 19 14:06:04 localhost kernel: SCSI device sde: 960512 512-byte hdwr sectors (492 MB) Oct 19 14:06:04 localhost kernel: sde: Write Protect is off Oct 19 14:06:04 localhost kernel: SCSI device sde: 960512 512-byte hdwr sectors (492 MB) Oct 19 14:06:04 localhost kernel: sde: Write Protect is off Oct 19 14:06:04 localhost kernel: sde: sde1 dmesg gives: SCSI device sde: 960512 512-byte hdwr sectors (492 MB) sde: Write Protect is off sde: Mode Sense: 03 00 00 00 sde: assuming drive cache: write through SCSI device sde: 960512 512-byte hdwr sectors (492 MB) sde: Write Protect is off sde: Mode Sense: 03 00 00 00 sde: assuming drive cache: write through sde: sde1 I don't know why it doesn't work for you, sorry -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to read phone memory card?
Rodolfo Medina wrote:
Does anyone know how can Debian read a mobile phone memory card?
I think I properly inserted the card into the PC, but then, how to mount it -
*if* possible?
On my etch system with kde when I insert a card into a card reader I get
a window popping up asking me if I want to 'open' it, by which it means
(p)mounting it as /media/sdX1 and opening a konqueror filebrowser window
on the mounted system. If that doesn't happen, or you tell it not to,
you can pmount it yourself. You just have to know what X is, which
depends on the mysteries and vagaries of usb, but you can get a clue
from dmesg.
For processing digicam pictures I have a script which tries various devices:
CARD_DEVS=sdb1 sdf1 sde1 sdg1 sdd1 sdc1 sda1
mount_card () {
echo -n Trying
for DEV in $CARD_DEVS; do
echo -n /dev/$DEV ...
pmount /dev/$DEV 2/dev/null check_mount_point\
find_dcim_dir return 0
done
DEV=
echo *** Couldn't mount card ***
return 1
}
check_mount_point () {
MOUNT_POINT=/media/$DEV
if [ ! -d $MOUNT_POINT ]; then
echo ** /dev/$DEV mounted but not found mounted on\ $MOUNT_POINT
MOUNT_POINT=
return 1
fi
echo mounted on $MOUNT_POINT
return 0
}
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Re: OT: camera for small work
Douglas A. Tutty wrote: Ideas? Magnifying glass on a stand? The depth of field with a camera is likely to be so shallow it'd be useless for 3D work. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: camera for small work
Douglas A. Tutty wrote: So at this point, the question is can a consumer digital camera function like a web-cam and then do I just view it with something like VLC? None of the cheap digicams I have/had (Nikon Coolpix and various Canons) nor my Pentax K100D DSLR can work as a webcam. My Panasonic NV-GS37 camcorder has a webcam mode but I failed to find a Linux driver for it - AIUI each camcorder implements its own protocol. None of them has the sort of macro you're looking for either. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: df -h listing
roberto wrote:
$ du -k ./ | sort -n | tail
du {filesystem} | sort -rn | more
produces a biggest-first list of space hogs.
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Re: Converting mp3 to audio CDs
Brad Rogers wrote: Set up correctly, K3b can take the mp3s and create an audio disk. FSVO correctly :-) IIRC you used to have to install an mp3 decoder for k3b separately from the k3b package itself, though in etch it seems to be bundled. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: HELP! can't become root
Kevin Mark wrote: http://kevin.vanzonneveld.net/techblog/article/restore_packages_using_dselectupgrade/ This is a basic HOWTO for the above advice. Though one needs to save and restore one's sources.lst if it's not the system default in order to reinstall all the packages. And if the distro version has moved on since the original install some more jumping through hoops will be required. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: how to find out IP address used by router?
Ron Johnson wrote:
Most, if not every, home router made in the last 5 years has an
embedded web server and an internal IP address.
So if the external interface is down and thus can't get to ipchicken
or whatismyip, connect to that web server and it will tell you what
the external address is.
If you need to script that you can use Perl e.g.
#!/usr/bin/perl
use warnings;
use strict;
use HTML::TreeBuilder 2.97;
use LWP::UserAgent;
parse_contents (get_page());
sub get_page {
my $ua = LWP::UserAgent-new ;
$ua-credentials(
'dsl:80', # note 1
'Linksys BEFW11S4', # note 2
'username', # DSL login user name
'passwd'# DSL login password
) ;
my $request = HTTP::Request-new(
GET = 'http://dsl/Status.htm' # note 3
) ;
my $response = $ua-request( $request ) ;
unless($response-is_success) {
warn No response: , $response-status_line, \n;
return;
}
return $response-content ;
}
# notes:
# 1 'dsl' in /etc/hosts is IP address (on private 192.168 network)
# of my DSL box
# 2 is string in web login box
# Enter username and password for Linksys BEFW11S4 ...
# 2 page containing public-facing IP address of DSL
sub parse_contents {
# this does the dirty work taking apart the HTML returned from the
web page - this will be different for other routers
my $page_contents = shift or die No contents returned from page\n;
my $tree = HTML::TreeBuilder-new();
$tree-parse($page_contents);
my $table = ( $tree-look_down('_tag','table') )[3];
my $row = ( $table-look_down('_tag', 'tr' ) )[10];
my $inet_table = ( $row-look_down('_tag', 'td') )[0];
my $ipadd_row = ( $inet_table-look_down('_tag', 'tr' ) )[0];
#...then do things with $col3...
my $ipadd_col = ( $ipadd_row-look_down('_tag', 'td' ) )[1];
#$ipadd_col-dump();
print \t, $ipadd_col-as_text, \n;
$tree-eof;
}
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Re: HELP! can't become root
Thilo Six wrote: What you did is: chmod -R /dev 777 as it seems where inside /dev is your whole system ( e.g. /dev/hda1) But surely doing chmod -R /dev/hda1 isn't the same as doing chmod -R / (where /dev/hda1 is mounted as /) is it? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Penalty of SELinux?
Manoj Srivastava wrote: On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 17:13:59 -0700, consultores agropecuarios [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: The real problem with SELinux is that it come from a really well known untrusted organization around the globe; This is one place I differ. I know and like Stephen Smalley, and I do not look at all the products of the NSA as being, umm, untrustworthy. And it is not as if it is closed source; gazillions of security conscious eyes have looked at the offering. To what extent should one trust a statement that a program is free of Trojan horses? Perhaps it is more important to trust the people who wrote the software. http://cm.bell-labs.com/who/ken/trust.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Backdoor_(computing)#Overview http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0311.0/0635.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Obtaining my IP, strange results
T wrote:
... there is no reliable way to get my IP now.
I know it's not the answer to your specific question, but in terms of
getting your IP address There's More Than One Way To Do It (tm) :-)
On my LinkSys DSL router I use a Perl script which uses LWP and
HTML::TreeBuilder to get the status page from the router and grok out
its IP address.
John Stumbles
..
#!/usr/bin/perl
use warnings;
use strict;
use HTML::TreeBuilder 2.97;
use LWP::UserAgent;
parse_contents (get_page());
sub get_page {
my $ua = LWP::UserAgent-new ;
# 'dsl' is in my /etc/hosts, otherwise us IP address of your DSL
# router (192.168. etc private IP address as seen from connected PC)
$ua-credentials(
'dsl:80', # note 1
'Linksys BEFW11S4', # note 2
'foo', # DSL login user name
'bar' # DSL login passwd
) ;
my $request = HTTP::Request-new(
GET = 'http://dsl/Status.htm' # note 3
) ;
my $response = $ua-request( $request ) ;
unless($response-is_success) {
warn No response: , $response-status_line, \n;
return;
}
return $response-content ;
}
# notes:
# 1 'dsl' in /etc/hosts is IP address (on private 192.168 network)
# of my DSL box
# 2 is string in web login box
# Enter username and password for Linksys BEFW11S4 ...
# 3 page containing public-facing IP address of DSL
sub parse_contents {
# this does the dirty work taking apart the HTML returned from the
web page
my $page_contents = shift or die No contents returned from page\n;
my $tree = HTML::TreeBuilder-new();
$tree-parse($page_contents);
my $table = ( $tree-look_down('_tag','table') )[3];
my $row = ( $table-look_down('_tag', 'tr' ) )[10];
my $inet_table = ( $row-look_down('_tag', 'td') )[0];
my $ipadd_row = ( $inet_table-look_down('_tag', 'tr' ) )[0];
my $ipadd_col = ( $ipadd_row-look_down('_tag', 'td' ) )[1];
#$ipadd_col-dump(); # debug
print \t, $ipadd_col-as_text, \n;
$tree-eof;
}
__END__
sub dump_contents {
my $page_contents = shift or die No contents returned from page\n;
my $tree = HTML::TreeBuilder-new();
$tree-parse($page_contents);
$tree-dump();
$tree-eof;
}
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Re: Contact My Secretary
mrs_stellamohamed wrote: Dear Friend, [snip Nigerian scam] Brilliant - you couldn't make up stuff like this! I don't know which I liked better, his name is Mrs. Stella Mohamed or all the sufferness. I'm sure these folks could make more money as entertainers than from these scams. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Contact My Secretary
Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: Florian Kulzer wrote: On Sat, May 06, 2006 at 11:50:17 +0100, John Stumbles wrote: mrs_stellamohamed wrote: Dear Friend, [snip Nigerian scam] Brilliant - you couldn't make up stuff like this! I don't know which I liked better, his name is Mrs. Stella Mohamed or all the sufferness. I'm sure these folks could make more money as entertainers than from these scams. Apparently they even have conferences about their business model: http://j-walk.com/other/conf/index.htm But what befuddles the mind, or my mind at least, is: do they actually get customers to ante up? Dunno, I heard of one where the scammer ended up paying out (not $130,000,000,000, but 0). Much entertainment here too http://www.ebolamonkeyman.com/ John Stumbles -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
transcode package for stable?
Anyone know if there's currently a debian stable package of transcode? ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian no longer seems to have it. My sources.list has: deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian stable main # apt-get install transcode Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree... Done Package transcode is not available, but is referred to by another package. This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source However the following packages replace it: transcode-doc E: Package transcode has no installation candidate transcode-doc gives me all the talk but none of the walk :-/ Alternatively, are there other tools I should be using in place of transcode? I want to create dvds from .avi files. (Links to resources for editing and converting video files in general are most welcome: another thing I[1] would like to be able to do is convert AVIs and other video files to .3GP format to play on a mobile phone.) [1] actually it's for the 13-year old nipper with the flashy mobile. My own mobile does phone calls and that's enough for me :-) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: transcode package for stable?
Rob Sims wrote: deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian stable main Didn't the stable/testing/unstable aliases get dumped by Marillat quite some time ago? Replace stable with sarge and retry. I think he's got them symlinked. In any case I get exactly the same error with s/stable/sarge/ in sources.list. Where does the message about package transcode-doc replacing package transcode come from? How does the system 'know' this? And if I compile transcode from the sources am I likely to end up in dependency hell? Is there a debian-ish way to go about it? -- John Stumbles -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: how to test Ethernet connection
Nate Duehr wrote: The newbies don't remember bridges. You're going to be here for a while explaining it if you're in the mood to teach. How about: http://www.erg.abdn.ac.uk/users/gorry/course/lan-pages/bridge.html Some of us remember when you needed them to break up a too-busy LAN into segments... Yup: a very expensive box connected via D15 cables to transceivers larger than a modern ADSL modem+router+switch+wireless box, connected via a bee-sting tap made with a sort of twist drill bit in a plastic holder to big fat yellow thick Ethernet cable running at a blistering 10Mb/s. Ahhh, happy days :-) John Stumbles -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: how to test Ethernet connection
Nate Duehr wrote: The newbies don't remember bridges. You're going to be here for a while explaining it if you're in the mood to teach. Some of us remember when you needed them to break up a too-busy LAN into segments... Yup: a very expensive box connected via D15 cables to transceivers larger than a modern ADSL modem+router+switch+wireless box, connected via a bee-sting tap made with a sort of twist drill bit in a plastic holder to big fat yellow thick Ethernet cable running at a blistering 10Mb/s. Ahhh, happy days :-) John Stumbles -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: include ~/bin in $PATH under kde on debian (sarge)
Jon Dowland wrote: At 1146072858 past the epoch, John Stumbles wrote: On my system .[x|X]session doesn't exist by default, so kde (or whatever is chosen at the start-session menu) is getting started by some other mechanism. Yes, KDM is calling startkde which in turn calls kdeinit. Thanks. I have recently learned that, though I'm still trying to get my brain around what the various components do. At the 'Start new session' option from the K menu the new user has the option to choose the type of session (KDE, Gnome etc) they want to run. I guess whatever is doing this session management bypasses 'conventional' X session startup methods. What is the full range of options for type of session: there should be an equivalent to gdm's Default system session that executes $HOME/.xsession . I have a menu of Session Type Remote Login Console Login Shutdown Session Type - submenu: Default Custom GNOME Failsafe I can't see where that's configured (I've looked mainly in /etc/kde3/kdm/). In particular, I don't know what/where/how the 'Custom' Session Type is configured. I'm also in the dark about the 'Remote Login' option, and how 'Console Login' differs from Session Type - Failsafe. (I haven't tried all the options: I'm still learning about Linux in general and Debian, KDE, KDM etc etc and there's so much to do, so little time to do it in :-() John Stumbles -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: how to test Ethernet connection
Mike McCarty wrote: Switch Disadvantages:Not secure. Cannot act as a bridge. What do you mean Cannot act as a bridge? When I was a network admin a switch _was_ a bridge (a multi-port one). Is the word used differently now? And what do you mean by 'not secure'? Router Advantages:Full-duplex, no collisions. Can mix speeds. Secure if has separate WAN/LAN. Can do NAT. Can act as a bridge. Disadvantages:More difficult to configure. More expensive (but not *much* more) Again, not all routers can necessarily do NAT (used to be quite the exception, though it certainly seems common enough with the cheap routers available for home use since they're usually used to access a broadband link with only one 'real' IP address. John Stumbles -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
GNOME V. KDE (was Re: New user need some help
Magnus Therning wrote: On Thu, Apr 27, 2006 at 05:57:41AM +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: apt-get install x-window-system kde kdm I simply have to answer this. The command line above is clearly not right, it should of course say: apt-get install x-window-system gnome gdm /humourGiven that the OP said he's new to Linux there's a good chance he's familiar with YouKnowWhoDOZE so KDE's likely to be a better bet for him. My own progression was Mandrake: easy to use (KDE), PITA to manage (packages etc) SuSE: more or less ditto Ubuntu: couldn't get my brain round the GUI Kubuntu: phew! debian (w/kde) I did try to use and understand GNOME (honest!) but it's too warped for my brain (or vice versa :-). To give an example: burning a CD etc under KDE I invoke k3b, select type of disc to burn, pick files to put on it, set a few options (e.g. joliet if I want to play my mp3s on my car player) and off we go. Under GNOME there's some business with nautilus which doesn't seem to allow for any of the options I may need to set. Not even whether I want to write to a CD or a DVD (though maybe it detects that). ISTR there were other foibles that put me off GNOME, though it's so long since I've used it in anger I've forgotten them. Maybe I should give it another try, but can you (Magnus) as an obvious GNOME-o-phile, tell me what you like so much about it rather than KDE, that you think would benefit other users? John Stumbles -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: GNOME V. KDE (was Re: New user need some help
Mike McCarty wrote: John Stumbles wrote: I did try to use and understand GNOME (honest!) but it's too warped for my brain (or vice versa :-). To give an example: burning a CD etc under KDE I invoke k3b, select type of disc to burn, pick files to put on it, set a few options (e.g. joliet if I want to play my mp3s on my car player) and off we go. Under GNOME there's some business with nautilus Umm, on my system, I do the same thing, using GNOME. Is K3b part of KDE? I wasn't aware of that. If so, then how come I can use it with GNOME? I thought KDE and GNOME were simple managers which can invoke any number of applications. ... Mostly, I use it to load my e-mail handler, my web browser, and start CLI windows. I fail to see how either KDE or GNOME could be much better or worse at doing these things than the other. I've on occasion seen people who really love or hate either GNOME or KDE, but for me I fail to see that one or the other has any particular advantage. OK, Fairy Nuff. I guess the choice comes down to (a) the look feel (b) what apps are bundled with it Since my first experience with GNOME was of the apps bundled with it that rather put me off. Now that I know what I want to use (e.g. k3b) I could probably get along with GNOME if I had to. However since I'm now reasonably familar with KDE it'd be a learning curve to get into GNOME so there'd have to be some positive incentive to do so. John Stumbles -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: how to test Ethernet connection
Mike McCarty wrote: John Stumbles wrote: What do you mean Cannot act as a bridge? A switch uses MAC addresses for ascertaining where to forward a message. It is unaware of IP addresses, so it cannot connect different nets. Yup. That's bridging, defined in 802.1d http://www.ieee802.org/1/pages/802.1D.html And what do you mean by 'not secure'? No firewall. Any message sent to a given MAC is delivered to it. There is no concept of LAN side vs WAN side. OK. from a different POV they _are_ secure: unlike a hub (repeater) which sends every packet to all connected ports switches only forward [1]packets to their destination ports. This is more secure as traffic cannot be sniffed by stations on other ports[2]. Which just goes to show that 'security' is not a simple quality of which one can have more or less (like money) but a set of qualities. John Stumbles [1] non-broadcast [2] bar certain exploits such as MAC flood attacks -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
include ~/bin in $PATH under kde on debian (sarge)
On kubuntu (and SuSE, IIRC) if I have a ~/bin directory it gets included
in my $PATH but this doesn't happen under debian. (In all cases I'm
using kde with kdm as my window manager.)
The ~/.bash_profile of any new users I create has:
# include .bashrc if it exists
if [ -f ~/.bashrc ]; then
. ~/.bashrc
fi
# the rest of this file is commented out.
# set PATH so it includes user's private bin if it exists
#if [ -d ~/bin ] ; then
#PATH=~/bin:${PATH}
#fi
In my own .bash_profile I have uncommented the last 4 lines above but
even after logging out from kde and back in again my $PATH does not
include ~/bin (although it does work if I log in on a tty e.g.
Ctrl-Alt-F1). Thus it would seem that .bash_profile is not run on
startup under kde (nor under gnome, both under kdm).
If I put the code above i.e.
if [ -d ~/bin ] ; then
PATH=~/bin:${PATH}
fi
into my .bashrc it does set $PATH for terminals (e.g. konsole) but
anything I try to run in ~/bin from K menu-Run Command is not found
unless I prefix it with ~/bin.
I have also tried putting the code into .xsession.
There seems to be a mechanism in
/etc/X11/Xsession.d/50xfree86-common_determine-startup
for running this file
# If no X session startup program was passed to the Xsession script as
\ an
# argument (e.g., by the display manager), or if that program was not
# executable, fall back to looking for a user's custom X session script,
\if
# allowed by the options file.
if [ -z $STARTUP ]; then
if grep -qs ^allow-user-xsession $OPTIONFILE; then
for STARTUPFILE in $USERXSESSION $ALTUSERXSESSION; do
if [ -e $STARTUPFILE ]; then
if [ -x $STARTUPFILE ]; then
STARTUP=$STARTUPFILE
else
STARTUP=sh $STARTUPFILE
fi
break
fi
done
fi
fi
The options file:
OPTIONFILE=/etc/X11/Xsession.options
contains the necessary permission, but $STARTUP must be getting set (I
can't see where or how from looking at Xsession or the other startup
files in Xsession.d) as .xsession is not being run. (I added a command
to create a timestamped tag file whenever .xsession is run and it's not
being run at X session startup.)
I've googled www and usenet and searched debian lists but not found an
answer to the question of setting the environment for my whole X
session, not just for console session within X.
I would also like to understand what happens when a gui session starts
under kdm - what scripts etc get run?
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Re: include ~/bin in $PATH under kde on debian (sarge)
Felix C. Stegerman wrote: Try renaming `setpath' to `setpath.sh'. Aha! that works! Thanks. Is that documented somewhere? I've looked at http://www.kde.org/documentation/ especially http://www.kde.org/areas/sysadmin/, and http://docs.kde.org/ Of course it only works for kde. That's good enough for now since I only use kde but I'd like to know how to do it for gnome and other sessions. -- John Stumbles -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: include ~/bin in $PATH under kde on debian (sarge)
Jon Dowland wrote: It depends entirely on which session manager is used or which method of starting your session. If you create a ~/.xsession script which execs startkde you could specify the PATH before that and have it inherited by startkde and all subsequent processes. You then would need to instruct your display manager (KDM?) to execute this. With GDM, you would choose default system session. I don't have KDM handy to check. Example .xsession: #!/bin/sh export PATH=$HOME/bin:$PATH startkde On my system .[x|X]session doesn't exist by default, so kde (or whatever is chosen at the start-session menu) is getting started by some other mechanism. From my regular debian sarge installation I installed kdm so that I could have a user-friendly way for users to start a new session when an existing session is logged-in and locked. At the 'Start new session' option from the K menu the new user has the option to choose the type of session (KDE, Gnome etc) they want to run. I guess whatever is doing this session management bypasses 'conventional' X session startup methods. The KDE sysadmin guide covers startup in this kind of detail: http://www.kde.org/areas/sysadmin/startup.php. KDM calls startkde which calls kdeinit which is the magic X process and spawns most of everything else. Thanks. -- John Stumbles -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
How to submit bug re: kcontrol printers stops cups working
[Sarge with KDE] I've found what I think are 2 bugs in the way kcontrol sets up cupsd.conf which stops cupsd running. kde control center (kcontrol) Peripherals Printers [note 1] [Administrator mode] Print Server Configure Server Network Listen to (by default contains Listen: *.631) Add enter an address leave port set at default 631 [2] This will write an erroneous /etc/cups/cupsd.conf file with lines like Listen *:631 Listen foobar:631 and attempt to restart cupsd which will give an error in /var/log/cups/error_log: StartListening: Unable to bind socket for address c0a8010a:631 - Cannot assign requested address. So I think this is a bug with kcontrol, that it writes a broken configuration file which stops cupsd running. I think it is also a bug(-ette) in cups that the error message it gives is unhelpful, and in /etc/init.d/cupsys that it happily reports that it has restarted cupsd when it hasn't. (Sorry if this sounds like a rant: you shold see how little hair I now have left :-) [1] Incidentally at this point a box pops up saying: Unable to retrieve the printer list. Error message received from manager: Connection to CUPS server failed. Check that the CUPS server is correctly installed and running. Error: connection refused. Why does this happen and what does it mean? [2] yes, I know - now - but I didn't at the time. Anyway the system should check erroneous user input rather than silently bork the print system. IMnshO :-) -- John Stumbles -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: blank screen in Xvnc / xrdb can't open display - on Woody
Jonathan Dowland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 07:04:42PM -, John Stumbles wrote: xrdb: Connection refused xrdb: Can't open display 'Hostname:1' I think I read somewhere else that it could be an Xauth cookie issue, but I've lost that piece and haven't a clue how to investigate that possibility. This sounds like a possibility. Are you trying to run xrdb remotely? Try locally, and perhaps another app like xterm, locally. Try moving ~/.Xauthority for your user, restarting X and vnc and see if that makes a difference (unless you know that you need this file for another purpose, and make sure you don't weaken the permissions) Sorry, I didn't understand that. I'm running the vnc viewer on a different (windows) machine to the server (which is on woody), but the error message (xrdb: Can't open display) is generated when I run vncserver, not when I start the remote vnc viewer (so I don't think the other, windoze, machine has anything to do with it). I did try moving ~/.Xauthority and running vncserver. I get: xauth: creating new authority file /home/user/.Xauthority New 'X' desktop is Hostname:1 Starting applications specified in /etc/X11/Xsession Log file is /home/user/.vnc/Hostname:1.log but .xsession-errors still gets [re]written with xrdb: Connection refused xrdb: Can't open display 'Hostname:1' With my new .Xauthority if I try running xterm I get Xlib: connection to :0.0 refused by server Xlib: Client is not authorised to connect to Server xterm Xt error: can't open display: :0 If I switch back my .Xauthority to the original one and run xterm I get an xterm on my local gui. Incidentally my .Xauthority is -rw--; the original (which seems to be created by my gui session) is size 418 but the one created when I run vncserver is size 101. Durr, i still don't understand: .Xauthority seems to be created by my regular gui X session, and is not overwritten by vncserver's startup, though vncserver will create its own (smaller/broken?) .Xauthority if none exists. Is this what should happen? Is this the problem? (and if so, what is the solution? :-) tia -- John Stumbles -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-|-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ -+ I've got a book about motivation but I've never got round to reading it -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
blank screen in Xvnc / xrdb can't open display - on Woody
[3rd time lucky? apologies if you've seen this: NTLworld seems to be even more pants than usual and to have lost my original usenet post and repost of this message as far as I can tell, so I'm now trying through the mailing list] I'm trying to connect to my Woody (3.0r1) box from vnc client on windoze, but I only get blank (textured) screen and X mouse cursor (initially in centre of screen, then follows windows mouse cursor around when that enters the vnc window). When I run vncserver it says: New 'X' desktop is Hostname:1 ...etc... Then .xsession-errors gets [re]written with: xrdb: Connection refused xrdb: Can't open display 'Hostname:1' but why? Googling produced one suggestion that it might be lack of a Screen section in /etc/X11/XF86Config. I don't actually have an XF86Config file - mine is XF86Config-4 - though symlinking it to XF86Config doesn't fix the problem. The file does have a Section Screen (with DefaultDepth 16 and Display SubSections with Depths 1,4,8,15,16 and 24 each with modes 800x600 and 640x480). Anyway I'm running X successfully on the Woody box (with Gnome) so the XF86Config should be OK, shouldn't it? (Though when I first booted my new installation from floppy and tried to startx I had similar problems, and I think I had to run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 to get it to work OK.) I think I read somewhere else that it could be an Xauth cookie issue, but I've lost that piece and haven't a clue how to investigate that possibility. Help! [fx: OP slamming into brick wall :)] tia -- John Stumbles -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-|-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Pessimists are never disappointed -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
