Setting up a VLAN tagged bonding device

2019-03-28 Thread John W. M. Stevens
I've tried six different sets of instructions, and at this point, I'm at 
a loss.  Is it even possible to set up an 802.3ad bond that uses VLAN 
tagging under Debian 9.1?


I have a working setup with bonding.  I need to modify this setup to 
VLAN tag the bond.


The working setup is:

auto bond0
iface bond0 inet static
    address 10.10.110.222
    netmask 255.255.0.0
    network 10.10.0.0
    broadcast 10.10.255.255
    bond-mode 802.3ad
    bond-miimon 100
    bond-lacp-rate 1
    bond-min-links 1
    bond-xmit-hash-policy layer2
    bond-slaves eno3 eno4 enp3s0f1

auto eno3
iface eno3 inet manual
    bond-master bond0

auto eno4
iface eno4 inet manual
    bond-master bond0

auto enp3s0f1
iface enp3s0f1 inet manual
    bond-master bond0

This results in a /proc/net/bonding/bond0 output of:

# cat /proc/net/bonding/bond0
Ethernet Channel Bonding Driver: v3.7.1 (April 27, 2011)

Bonding Mode: IEEE 802.3ad Dynamic link aggregation
Transmit Hash Policy: layer2 (0)
MII Status: up
MII Polling Interval (ms): 100
Up Delay (ms): 0
Down Delay (ms): 0

802.3ad info
LACP rate: fast
Min links: 0
Aggregator selection policy (ad_select): stable
System priority: 65535
System MAC address: d0:94:66:04:fc:ed
Active Aggregator Info:
    Aggregator ID: 2
    Number of ports: 3
    Actor Key: 9
    Partner Key: 3
    Partner Mac Address: 00:1c:73:61:a9:25

Slave Interface: eno3
MII Status: up
Speed: 1000 Mbps
Duplex: full
Link Failure Count: 1
Permanent HW addr: d0:94:66:04:fc:ed
Slave queue ID: 0
Aggregator ID: 2
Actor Churn State: none
Partner Churn State: none
Actor Churned Count: 0
Partner Churned Count: 0
details actor lacp pdu:
    system priority: 65535
    system mac address: d0:94:66:04:fc:ed
    port key: 9
    port priority: 255
    port number: 1
    port state: 63
details partner lacp pdu:
    system priority: 8192
    system mac address: 00:1c:73:61:a9:25
    oper key: 3
    port priority: 32768
    port number: 9
    port state: 63

Slave Interface: eno4
MII Status: up
Speed: 1000 Mbps
Duplex: full
Link Failure Count: 1
Permanent HW addr: d0:94:66:04:fc:ef
Slave queue ID: 0
Aggregator ID: 2
Actor Churn State: none
Partner Churn State: none
Actor Churned Count: 0
Partner Churned Count: 0
details actor lacp pdu:
    system priority: 65535
    system mac address: d0:94:66:04:fc:ed
    port key: 9
    port priority: 255
    port number: 2
    port state: 63
details partner lacp pdu:
    system priority: 8192
    system mac address: 00:1c:73:61:a9:25
    oper key: 3
    port priority: 32768
    port number: 7
    port state: 63

Slave Interface: enp3s0f1
MII Status: up
Speed: 1000 Mbps
Duplex: full
Link Failure Count: 1
Permanent HW addr: 00:0a:f7:9e:74:0b
Slave queue ID: 0
Aggregator ID: 2
Actor Churn State: none
Partner Churn State: none
Actor Churned Count: 0
Partner Churned Count: 0
details actor lacp pdu:
    system priority: 65535
    system mac address: d0:94:66:04:fc:ed
    port key: 9
    port priority: 255
    port number: 3
    port state: 63
details partner lacp pdu:
    system priority: 8192
    system mac address: 00:1c:73:61:a9:25
    oper key: 3
    port priority: 32768
    port number: 8
    port state: 63

My attempt to VLAN tag this is:

auto eno3
iface eno3 inet manual
    bond-master bond0

auto eno4
iface eno4 inet manual
    bond-master bond0

auto enp3s0f1
iface enp3s0f1 inet manual
    bond-master bond0

auto bond0
iface bond0 inet manual
    pre-up ifconfig bond0 0.0.0.0 up
    bond-mode 802.3ad
    bond-miimon 100
    bond-downdelay 200
    bond-updelay 200
    bond-lacp-rate 1
    bond-min-links 1
    bond-xmit-hash-policy layer2
    bond-slaves eno3 eno4 enp3s0f1

auto bond0.10
iface bond0.10 inet static
    address 10.10.110.222
    netmask 255.255.0.0
    vlan-raw-device bond0

This results in what is clearly a non-working bond:

# cat /proc/net/bonding/bond0
Ethernet Channel Bonding Driver: v3.7.1 (April 27, 2011)

Bonding Mode: load balancing (round-robin)
MII Status: down
MII Polling Interval (ms): 100
Up Delay (ms): 200
Down Delay (ms): 200

Slave Interface: eno3
MII Status: down
Speed: 1000 Mbps
Duplex: full
Link Failure Count: 1
Permanent HW addr: d0:94:66:04:fb:3d
Slave queue ID: 0

Slave Interface: eno4
MII Status: down
Speed: 1000 Mbps
Duplex: full
Link Failure Count: 1
Permanent HW addr: d0:94:66:04:fb:3f
Slave queue ID: 0

Slave Interface: enp3s0f1
MII Status: down
Speed: Unknown
Duplex: Unknown
Link Failure Count: 1
Permanent HW addr: 00:0a:f7:9e:72:05
Slave queue ID: 0

None of the six sets of instructions I've tried has gotten me any closer 
to a working configuration.  Bringing up the slaves manually does not 
change anything except the status line of the slaves, though it is 
unclear to me if this is because the switch has not yet been reconfigured.


So, two questions:

1) Is this even supported?

2) Does anybody have a working example configuration for such a thing?

Thanks,

John S.




Debian Etch Upgrade Problems with Mail Check Applet and Evolution

2007-04-18 Thread John W. M. Stevens
Hello,

I've recently upgraded from Sarge to Etch (the full monty, I'm now running
a 2.6 kernel) and my mail check applet has gone away, and the evolution
package is still marked conspicuously as a sarge package - 

  ic  evolution  2.0.4-2sarge1  The groupware suite

When I tried to download the source for the mail notification applet
from the GNOME site, I couldn't find the development packages to install
to compile it.  It's missing libgnomeui-2 -

  Perhaps you should add the directory containing `libgnomeui-2.0.pc'
  to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable
  No package 'libgnomeui-2.0' found

Is this a known problem to someone?

I've began to wonder if the package list I've downloaded is incomplete
or munged, and if there is a safe way to tell the server to give me
the whole package list again, instead of diff files.

Anybody have any hints or diagnostic techniques I can try, or am I
simply making bad assumptions, and Etch is as it's supposed to
be (a Sarge version of evolution, no mail check applet, and the
source on the GNOME web site is not compilable on a Debian Etch
box)?

Thanks,
John S.


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Re: Removing USB memory

2006-07-16 Thread John W. M. Stevens
On Thu, Jul 13, 2006 at 12:36:51PM -0400, H.S. wrote:
 Magnus Therning wrote:
 I'm running a GNOME desktop on a Debian Sid system.
 
 I've noticed that if I right-click a USB memory stick icon on the
 desktop and choose Unmount Volume the icon disappears immediately.
 However the device may be busy in the background, and if I remove the
 stick too early files copied to the stick may not have arrived yet
 (the sync isn't done yet).
 
 I've found two ways around it:
 
  1. Unmount in a shell using `pumount'.
  2. Keep a system monitor in the panel and have it show disk activity.
 
 Is there any other way?
 I'd kind of like a brief notification at the end informing me that the
 device is fully unmounted.
 
 /M
 
 
 I usually use KDE and I see that by unmounting a USB device from its 
 icon on the desktop, the icon seems to stay as long as the USB stick's 
 activity LED keeps blinking. For large files (images), I have noticed 
 that the icon stays on the desktop for quite a few seconds. Never had 
 corruption on the USB stick. So it appears KDE removes the icon of a USB 
 device only when the sync is complete. I am surprised Gnome doesn't do 
 so.

It does on my system.  The icon will not be removed from the Gnome
destop until umount completes.

In other words, this is not a Gnome vs. KDE issue. It appears to be
a configuration issue.

 BTW, I let udev mount the pluggable devices automatically. If you 
 are using fstab to do so, you can fix the mount options to set sync to 
 happen every time the USB device is accessed.

This, however, may be the issue: your system may be misconfigured, or
this undesirable behaviour may be a result of the file system you
are using on your USB device.

So the question is: what file system do you have on the device that
disappears immediately when you umount it, and if applicable, what
are your fstab options for this device?

Finally, how do you have your system configured to automount hot
attached mass storage devices?

John S.


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Re: usb2 to fast

2006-02-16 Thread John W. M. Stevens
On Wed, Feb 15, 2006 at 04:43:10PM +0100, nicals wahlgren wrote:
 Is there a way to slow an usb connection to usb1 speed?
 
 In debian when I am transferring files to mp3 player or sd memory card 
 through card reader it goes very quick but the files are mostly 
 unreadable. When using Win XP it goes much slower but the files are 
 working fine.
 
 Please help

Please use only 2.0 compliant cables when connecting USB 2.0 devices
to 2.0 ports.

Yes Virginia, 1.1 cables CAN cause data corruption when you try to
drive them at 2.0 speeds!  ;-)

John S.


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Re: udev is ruining my life

2006-02-13 Thread John W. M. Stevens
On Sun, Feb 12, 2006 at 09:21:03AM -0800, Marc Wilson wrote:
 On Sun, Feb 12, 2006 at 09:38:35AM -0700, John W. M. Stevens wrote:
 
 deleted silly udev rationales

I, for one, can see no rationale for udev in it's present form.

It works, is not a rationale.  But so long as it remains optional,
I don't really care, which was exactly my attitude about devfs.

 And yet, through all of this, no one has yet bothered to read the udev FAQ.

Sorry, I've read it several times.

 Not that I like udev, or care whether or not anyone uses it or not, but the
 depths of ignorance are appalling.

What do you expect with such a minimal and political FAQ?

The true story can only be discovered by reading the kernel mailing
list.  Like watching sausage being made, I wouldn't recommend such
to the delicate of stomach.

John S.


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Re: udev is ruining my life

2006-02-12 Thread John W. M. Stevens
On Fri, Feb 10, 2006 at 10:25:29AM -0600, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
 Mitchell Laks wrote:
 
 Last time (TM) I tried udev it was a disaster. I now run 2.6.15-ck3 
 w/o udev. Everything fine.
 
 This subject keeps coming up and as I watch the threads AFAICS udev's 
 rationale is architectural. Better for the world ultimately, but as of 
 yet a headache for the common user, most of the time?, many times?, 
 sometimes?

Udev was a response to devfs.

Sadly, BOTH systems were poorly thought out.  Devfs tried to cover
dev, but was a VFS file system that the kernel maintainers thought
violated the unspoken, unwritten design rules of the kernel (devfs
forced policy into the kernel, or so it was claimed), besides
having a few bugs early on.

Udev was the user space devfs, but unfortunately, it was also designed
to cover all of dev, instead of just the sub-set of hot attach/detach
devices that make sense for a dynamic device file system.

Obviously, better interaction with existing kernel infrastructure is
necessary before udev can go live.

John S.


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Re: [PHP-DB] Help getting php up and running

2006-02-12 Thread John W. M. Stevens
On Sat, Feb 11, 2006 at 11:19:05AM -0500, CasperLinux wrote:
 On Saturday 11 February 2006 10:54, David Kirchner wrote:
  On 2/11/06, CasperLinux [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Anyone have any input? I am googling till my fingers hurt and everything
   I find says it should be running.  Whenever I try to open a test.php file
   all I get is the web browswer trying to save the file instead of serving
   up the php content.
  
   On Friday 10 February 2006 21:28, CasperLinux wrote:
LoadModule includes_module /usr/lib/apache/1.3/mod_include.so
LoadModule includes_module /usr/lib/apache2/modules/libphp4.so
 
  That should probably be php4_module or something along those lines. It
  needs to match whatever the .so was built for; it's not arbitrary.
 I did a dpkg-reconfigure apache a bit ago and this is now the php line in 
 modules.conf : 
 LoadModule php4_module /usr/lib/apache/1.3/libphp4.so
 
 Still won't come up.

Did you modify your apache2 config file to recognize the .php extension?

You need:

DirectoryIndex index.html index.cgi index.pl index.php index.xhtml

To be able to use index.php, and you need lines like:

IfModule mod_php4.c
  AddType application/x-httpd-php .php .phtml .php3
  AddType application/x-httpd-php-source .phps
/IfModule

To get the web server to recognize the .php extension and execute your
PHP files.

In apache2, the apache2.conf file should contain that first line, and
there should be php4.conf file in your /etc/apache2/mods-enabled
directory that contains the second set of lines.

John S.


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Re: How to disable certain usb device discovery

2006-02-09 Thread John W. M. Stevens
On Thu, Feb 09, 2006 at 02:59:48PM +0800, Kai Cui wrote:
 Hi!
 
 Our server is running latest debian (3.1r1). I'd like to know how to config
 the environment to prevent the kernel from auto discovering and making
 available any hard drive or cdrom attached via usb. By the way, the keyboard
 is of usb kind too.

Well, the easiest way would be to remove the USB mass storage driver.

However, this isn't strictly necessary because if you turn off automounting,
and don't put any user options into your fstab, regular users won't
be able to use USB devices anyway (if you don't slap a user option
on a device in fstab, only root can mount it).

For safeties sake, don't use udev, or if you do, make sure it creates
USB mass storage device special files with root.root ownership, and
0600 permissions.

This allows root to still use USB mass storage for system administration,
purposes and is just as safe as removing the driver (since, after all,
root can always reinstall the driver, being root), while still retaining
useful functionality.

Thanks,
John S.


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Re: USB flash drive not automounting or mounting

2006-02-07 Thread John W. M. Stevens
On Mon, Feb 06, 2006 at 08:45:58PM -0800, Rob Blomquist wrote:
 On Monday 06 February 2006 9:58 am, Andrew Sackville-West so eloquently 
 stated:
 
  Now, I am not sure which of these would be used for a flash drive, but I
  can tell that a few won't be
 
 look in /etc/udev/rules.d/050_hal* and see what that says. That is the rule
  that creates sd* devices.

Excuse me, but we are jumping the gun here.  First, let's rule out
other problems.

I didn't see any email that indicates that you looked in /dev and
did, or did not, find a device special file for your device.

If you didn't find one, that's OK, because you can simply create
one.

After creating it, try mounting your device.  If that works, then
we know that everything else is fine, it's just your udev configuration
that needs to be debugged.

 Nothing here leads me to believe this is how the automounting happens. I also 
 looked at my Ubuntu udev scripts and rules and saw nothing there.

Udev doesn't do automounting, it does automatic device special file
creation.

If you look in /dev and don't see your device special file, udev may
be the problem, but if you do look, and see it, then maybe something
else is wrong.

 Can someone enlighten me otherwise?

You need to post the contents of the /proc files I asked for.

When you dump what USB sees, you should see something like:

T:  Bus=02 Lev=01 Prnt=01 Port=00 Cnt=01 Dev#=  2 Spd=12  MxCh= 0
D:  Ver= 2.00 Cls=00(ifc ) Sub=00 Prot=00 MxPS=64 #Cfgs=  1
P:  Vendor=03f0 ProdID=4002 Rev= 0.01
S:  Manufacturer=HEWLETT-PACKARD 
S:  Product=HP  PhotoSmart 935
S:  SerialNumber=ZPP30880
C:* #Ifs= 1 Cfg#= 1 Atr=c0 MxPwr= 10mA
I:  If#= 0 Alt= 0 #EPs= 3 Cls=08(stor.) Sub=06 Prot=50 Driver=usb-storage
E:  Ad=81(I) Atr=02(Bulk) MxPS=  64 Ivl=0ms
E:  Ad=02(O) Atr=02(Bulk) MxPS=  64 Ivl=0ms
E:  Ad=83(I) Atr=03(Int.) MxPS=   2 Ivl=255ms

The above indicates that there is a HP Photosmart 936 camera, in mass
storage mode, attached.  Looking at this info I know that this is
a Bulk Only protocol device, that uses SCSI, so the SCSI sub-system
should be in play.  I can check that by looking at what is in the
/proc/scsi directories.

Poke around in your USB and SCSI /proc directories, let us know what
you find.

John S.


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Re: Udev Usbkey problems

2006-02-07 Thread John W. M. Stevens
On Mon, Feb 06, 2006 at 11:02:13PM -0600, Jacob S wrote:
 -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
 Hash: SHA1
 
 Hello List,
 
 I just upgraded Sid to the latest packages today. I also got my usbkey
 back from warranty repair by the manufacturer. 
 
 I have tested the key in OS X on an iBook and it works great. However,
 when I plug it into my Debian Sid box, syslog fills up with the
 following errors: 
 
 Feb  6 14:43:45 jacob kernel: usb-storage: device scan complete
 Feb  6 14:43:45 jacob kernel: ioctl_internal_command: 4 0 0 0 return
 code = 802 
 Feb  6 14:43:45 jacob kernel:: Current: sense key: No Sense 
 Feb  6 14:43:45 jacob kernel: Additional sense: No additional sense
 information 
 Feb  6 14:43:45 jacob kernel: ioctl_internal_command: 4 0 0 0 return
 code = 802 
 Feb  6 14:43:45 jacob kernel:: Current: sense key: No Sense 
 Feb  6 14:43:45 jacob kernel: Additional sense: No additional
 sense information 
 Feb  6 14:43:47 jacob kernel: ioctl_internal_command:
 4 0 0 0 return code = 802

This is suspicious, as it looks like your device is either damaged,
or out of spec.

Can you recompile your kernel to turn on verbose USB debugging?

 I'm using a 2.6.12-1-k7 kernel. I tried restarting udev and eventually
 even rebooted (yes, I know that shouldn't be needed). I also made sure
 I didn't have any udev rules in my rules.local file that would be
 affecting it. 
 
 A google search of this problem on lists.debian.org comes up empty.
 Searching the whole web for this problem comes up with more than a
 dozen hits of a single guy reporting this problem to the linux kernel
 e-mail list in May 2005 with no replies. 
 
 Anyone have some clues how I might be able to fix this?

It looks like a device problem.  You'd need to turn on debugging
(I recommend both USB and SCSI) to get a better feel for what is
failing.

When turned on, verbose USB debugging output will tell me what
commands are being sent to the device, and how it is responding
to them.

John S.


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Re: Install problems: USB, SATA on Dell 3100

2006-02-06 Thread John W. M. Stevens
On Mon, 2006-02-06 at 16:54 -0800, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
 On Mon, 6 Feb 2006 07:34:26 -0800
 Andrew Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  I'm trying to install debian 3.1 on a dell dimension 3100. By using the
  2.1.2006 testing release, I can get my hard disks recgonized.  However, the
  USB keyboard is seen by the installation program, but once the installed
  system boots the keyboard is not seen.  I have to use a USB keyboard and
  mouse, as the traditional PS/2 ports no longer exist on the 3100!
  
  Any suggestions?
 
 What do you mean isn't seen? by what: the kernel? X? console?

Please do:

cat /proc/bus/usb/devices  /tmp/usb_devices.txt

and post usb_devices.txt.

Also, post lsmod output, and the contents of any
InputDevice sections (Section InputDevice) from
your /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 file.

Explanation:  The proc dump will show most of the
relevant information about any usb devices attached
to your system, the lsmod output will tell us what
usb related modules, if any, you have loaded, and
the InputDevice sections will show us whether or
not you have configured your X server to use
your USB devices.

Obviously, you will have to do this from a different machine,
by ssh or telnet'ing to the box under discussion.

I'm assuming that nothing works, here . . . that
you can't use a virtual terminal, not that you just
can't use X.  If this assumption is in error, tell
me what does work, and what doesn't.

Thanks,
John S.


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Re: Simple internet problem

2006-02-05 Thread John W. M. Stevens
On Sun, Feb 05, 2006 at 07:14:20PM +0100, paulakkermans wrote:
 Hi All,
 
 This afternoon I installed (succesfully) KDE 3.3 on my 
 Debian System. However, now my internet connection doesn't 
 work anymore and I cannot acces the internet with my Debian 
 System. How do I restore my internet settings (used to 
 connect to proxyserver) like the way they were? Isn't there 
 a wizard or something available? (just like on the 
 installation disk of Debian?). 

OK, well, some details, and some symptoms, would be a good way to start.

What kind of computer do you have, and what does it have in it?

How are you connecting to the internet?  Acoustic modem, DSL modem,
cable modem?

How is your modem connected to your computer (or is it installed IN
the computer)?

What protocols/services is the proxy server proxying for?

How do you connect to the internet?  Are you using some kind of
tool or program to turn the connection on and off?

Have you tried any kind of network diagnostic, such as telnet, ping,
traceroute, etc?

Have you seen any interesting or informative messages in any of your
logs?

John S.


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Re: USB flash drive not automounting or mounting

2006-02-05 Thread John W. M. Stevens
On Sun, 2006-02-05 at 17:47 -0800, Rob Blomquist wrote:
 On Sunday 05 February 2006 3:13 pm, Marc Wilson so eloquently stated:
  On Sun, Feb 05, 2006 at 01:30:01PM -0800, Rob Blomquist wrote:
 
  much silliness deleted
 
   Ok from all this, I wonder if the drive is corrupt. It is connected. Why
   can't I manually mount it?
 
  Because you're trying to mount the block device, rather than a partition on
  it.  Example:
 
  rei $ sudo fdisk -l /dev/sdf
 
  Disk /dev/sdf: 519 MB, 519569408 bytes
  129 heads, 32 sectors/track, 245 cylinders
  Units = cylinders of 4128 * 512 = 2113536 bytes
 
 OK, I know what you mean about mounting the block device, I tried sdb0, 1, 
 and 
 2, but got no response before I emailed.
 
 timmy:~# dmesg | tail
 usb 3-5: new high speed USB device using address 32
 scsi7 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices
   Vendor: PNY   Model: USB 2.0 FDRev: 1.13
   Type:   Direct-Access  ANSI SCSI revision: 02
 SCSI device sdb: 487424 512-byte hdwr sectors (250 MB)
 sdb: assuming Write Enabled
 sdb: assuming drive cache: write through
  /dev/scsi/host7/bus0/target0/lun0: p1
 Attached scsi removable disk sdb at scsi7, channel 0, id 0, lun 0
 USB Mass Storage device found at 32
 
 So it is still there, and let me find out what it responds to:
 
 timmy:~# fdisk -l /dev/sdb
 
 Disk /dev/sdb: 249 MB, 249561088 bytes
 16 heads, 32 sectors/track, 952 cylinders
 Units = cylinders of 512 * 512 = 262144 bytes
 
Device Boot  Start End  Blocks   Id  System
 /dev/sdb1   *   1 952  2436966  FAT16
 
 Ah, so it is vfat on sdb1! no sweat!
 
 timmy:~# mount -t vfat /dev/sdb1 /media/flash
 mount: special device /dev/sdb1 does not exist

OK, just in case: Do you actually have a device
special file /dev/sdb1?

Just askin' . . .

 Now this is silly! 
 
 Is it still there?
 
 timmy:~# fdisk -l /dev/sdb
 
 Disk /dev/sdb: 249 MB, 249561088 bytes
 16 heads, 32 sectors/track, 952 cylinders
 Units = cylinders of 512 * 512 = 262144 bytes
 
Device Boot  Start End  Blocks   Id  System
 /dev/sdb1   *   1 952  2436966  FAT16
 
 I will be darned. Still there, but mount can't find it!

Maybe because the error message from mount is correct?  That
special device /dev/sdb1 does not exist?

John S.


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Re: Missing File Types and Programs capplet from capplets package in Sarge?

2006-02-04 Thread John W. M. Stevens
On Sat, Feb 04, 2006 at 08:19:41PM +, Chris Lale wrote:
 Ralph Katz wrote:
 
 On 02/02/2006 03:11 PM, John W. M. Stevens wrote:
  
 
 In the help for gnome, under:
 
 10.2 Where to Find Preference Tools
 
 It says that to find the File types and programs preference
 tool, look under:
 
 Applications ??? Desktop Preferences ??? Advanced ??? File types and 
 programs
 
 But on Sarge, with the capplets package installed (which says
 that it contains the file types and programs capplet), no such
 capplet shows up.
 
 I checked the package list, and it does NOT appear to actually
 contain this capplet.  Anybody have any hints, suggestions or
 instructions on how to fix this problem?
 
 Thanks,
 John S.

 
 
 John,
 
 You're not alone.  While setting up a sarge gnome desktop for my wife, I
 was also unable to find that.  Adding a file association is trivial.
 But /removing/ one is a mystery.
 
 I just wanted to associate .html files with firefox, and not epiphany,
 but gnome won't let you do that, nor will it let you change the default
 file association, as far as I've been able to tell.
 
 Searching the net, it appears that the gnome docs are obsolete, and
 tools for doing what should be simple tasks are missing in gnome 2.8.
 
 Perhaps someone can enlighten us...
 
 Regards,
 Ralph
  
 
 I think you want the update-alternatives tool. You can find the Gnome 
 frontend in the Applications menu:
 
 Applications - System Tools - Alternatives Configurator

No such menu option exists on my system.  Is this intalled from an
optional package?

The System Tools menu contains such things as Floppy Formatter,
and New Login.  Is this the menu you meant?

Thanks,
John S.


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Re: Missing File Types and Programs capplet from capplets package in Sarge?

2006-02-04 Thread John W. M. Stevens
On Sat, 2006-02-04 at 22:24 +, Chris Lale wrote:
 John W. M. Stevens wrote:
 
 On Sat, Feb 04, 2006 at 08:19:41PM +, Chris Lale wrote:
   
 
 Ralph Katz wrote:
 
 
 
 On 02/02/2006 03:11 PM, John W. M. Stevens wrote:
 
 
   
 
 In the help for gnome, under:
 
 10.2 Where to Find Preference Tools
 
 It says that to find the File types and programs preference
 tool, look under:
 
 Applications ??? Desktop Preferences ??? Advanced ??? File types and 
 programs
 
 But on Sarge, with the capplets package installed (which says
 that it contains the file types and programs capplet), no such
 capplet shows up.
 
 I checked the package list, and it does NOT appear to actually
 contain this capplet.  Anybody have any hints, suggestions or
 instructions on how to fix this problem?
 
 Thanks,
 John S.
   
 
 
 
 John,
 
 You're not alone.  While setting up a sarge gnome desktop for my wife, I
 was also unable to find that.  Adding a file association is trivial.
 But /removing/ one is a mystery.
 
 I just wanted to associate .html files with firefox, and not epiphany,
 but gnome won't let you do that, nor will it let you change the default
 file association, as far as I've been able to tell.
 
 Searching the net, it appears that the gnome docs are obsolete, and
 tools for doing what should be simple tasks are missing in gnome 2.8.
 
 Perhaps someone can enlighten us...
 
 Regards,
 Ralph
 
 
   
 
 I think you want the update-alternatives tool. You can find the Gnome 
 frontend in the Applications menu:
 
 Applications - System Tools - Alternatives Configurator
 
 
 
 No such menu option exists on my system.  Is this intalled from an
 optional package?
 
 
   
 
 Install the package galternatives. The command run from the Gnome menu 
 is also called galternatives.

Thank you for your help, but with all due respect, you don't
understand the problem.

The alternatives program is a System tool.  What I am trying
to fix is a missing desktop configuration tool.  There used to be
a tool (Called File Types and Programs) that would allow me to
associate verbs with nouns in my desktop (in other words, to
associate a program with a given file type, so that asking the
desktop to open said file would execute the configured program).

While this capplet is described in the Gnome desktop documentation,
and while the capplet package claims to include this particular
capplet, the File Types and Programs capplet is NOT included
in this package, and does not appear to be installed.

Does anybody know what happened to this capplet (program), why
it is no longer included in the capplet package, and where I should
go to get it, or what the program that replaces this capplet is,
and what package I should install to get it?

Thanks for your suggestions anyway . . .

John S.


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Re: Missing File Types and Programs capplet from capplets package in Sarge?

2006-02-04 Thread John W. M. Stevens
On Sun, 2006-02-05 at 18:09 +1300, Timothy Musson wrote:
 
 I'm pretty sure that's all been moved to the Nautilus File Properties
 dialog.
 
 1) Right-click on any file of the type you're interested in.
 2) Select Properties. The File Properties dialog will appear.
 3) Use that dialog's Open With tab to add and remove applications
for the filetype in question, and to select a default.
 
 It's a lot nicer than the old system, IMO :)

This works except for one minor problem: I can delete some of the
programs, but not all from the list of options.  When one of the
recalcitrant programs is selected, the remove button grays out.

Anybody know why this is?

Thanks,
John S.


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Missing File Types and Programs capplet from capplets package in Sarge?

2006-02-02 Thread John W. M. Stevens
In the help for gnome, under:

10.2 Where to Find Preference Tools

It says that to find the File types and programs preference
tool, look under:

 Applications → Desktop Preferences → Advanced → File types and programs

But on Sarge, with the capplets package installed (which says
that it contains the file types and programs capplet), no such
capplet shows up.

I checked the package list, and it does NOT appear to actually
contain this capplet.  Anybody have any hints, suggestions or
instructions on how to fix this problem?

Thanks,
John S.



Re: HowTo for Gnome2??

2003-07-04 Thread John W. M. Stevens
On Thu, Jul 03, 2003 at 10:13:24PM -0500, Todd Pytel wrote:
 I backed up my sources.list,

OK . . .

 changed it to unstable,

It?  Did you mean the APT::Default-Release value?

 did an apt-get update, apt-get install gnome-core,

OK.

 and then restored the old sources.list.

There isn't a command line option for specifying this?  I thought that
was what -t, --target-release and --default-release were for?

 Works fine.  Nautilus 2 is worlds faster than the
 original, fonts are nice, everything is anti-aliased, blah, blah,
 blah...

OK.

 If you're absolutely opposed to any unstable packages, then I
 guess you're screwed.  That's what you get for running testing.

What, are you saying that I'm less likely to get screwed by running
experimental, than testing?

I didn't know that.  Why?

John S.


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Re: HowTo for Gnome2??

2003-07-04 Thread John W. M. Stevens
On Thu, Jul 03, 2003 at 08:52:50PM -0600, Jacob Anawalt wrote:
 John,
 
 I installed straight to testing (but using a stable netinstall CD) a 
 couple months ago. When gnome2 into was released into it from unstable a 
 couple weeks ago I ran into similar issues. I am looking forward to 
 watching this thread to see what the expert insight to this is. My 
 opinion is that Gnome2 'works' but it doesn't 'work right'. Isn't that 
 what testing is for though?

That is what I thought, too, but Mr. Pytel indicates that testing is
less stable than unstable . . . why, he didn't say, only that that
is what you get for running testing.

 To test for bugs that aren't critical and 
 prepare for the next stable version that does 'work right'. There are 
 gnome2 version packages that are still in held up in unstable that I 
 think maybe should have held up the whole gnome2 upgrade, but I don't 
 know that much about the details to make this statment as anything more 
 than a personal opinion.

It does seem as if a mistake has been made here, by putting a partial
set into testing.  It doesn't seem likely that testing can be done
properly with only a partial set.

 Here is a link about ideas for moving debian to gnome2, but I didn't get 
 a good feeling of resolution:
 http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?archive=nobug=154950

Thank you.  I'll read through this.

 I also get the error message from the gnome settings daemon. I think 
 it's due to nautilus being gnome and not the gnome2 version. The gnome2 
 version of nautilus seems to be held back in unstable with some 
 automated build errors.

Ah!  That answers that question.  Thank you.

 I also have some interestingly scaled and rendered fonts in some 
 applications. On this page 
 (http://cert.uni-stuttgart.de/archive/debian/testing/2003/05/msg00058.html) 
 there is mention of the local affecting fonts. I should check my local. 
 I dont remember which I chose, other than knowing it wasn't 'C'.

This has been a very useful reply.  Thank you!  My locale is indeed C.

I'll read through the information at this link, as well.

Thanks,
John S.


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HowTo for Gnome2??

2003-07-03 Thread John W. M. Stevens
Hello,

I upgraded from stable to testing, in order to be able to start using
Gnome2, only to find that there was no good way to get a complete,
usable Gnome2 installation.

Many things are broken, including:

1) Fonts.  They are really ugly, and it seems that the previous
   defaults were just ignored.

2) The Gnome Settings Daemon was not installed, and it repeatedly
   complains about that lack.  I can't find any package that indicates
   that it might contain this semi-mythical daemon.

3) It seems impossible to figure out what will conflict with what,
   without actually trying just about every combination.  Incompatible
   packages are all stuffed into the gnome section, with no clue as
   to what packages should be installed to get a reasonably complete
   Gnome2 installation.  I seem to have installed, and uninstalled,
   parts of both Gnome and Gnome2 several times now.

   There was rumour of a gnome2 meta package.  It doesn't seem to
   actually exist.  Perhaps it's only in experimental?

4) There SHOULD be a way to run both Gnome and Gnome2 on the same
   machine, as the major number of the libraries is different, but
   the packages seem to be configured in such a way as to insist
   that these are incompatible.

   Yes, this will eat up more memory (both library versions must
   be resident at the same time), but if Gnome2 in testing simply
   isn't yet complete, then I really have no choice.

Is there any documentation on how, using testing, to get the most
complete (applets, to, please!) Gnome2 installation possible?

Please, no suggestion about pinning anything, as there doesn't
seem to be any documentation or man pages about what that is, or
how to do that, either.

Thanks,
John S.


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