Re: Speeding up boot time

[Jorge Peixoto de Morais Neto]

bootcharts:
http://faaltu.net/pix/bootchart-init.png
http://faaltu.net/pix/bootchart-initng.png





initng's boot log is http://faaltu.net/pix/initng-log.txt



It seems you have some error messages: "

system/mountroot : bash_helper[system/mountroot]: line 16: /usr/bin/awk: No such
system/mountroot : file or directory
system/mountroot : bash_helper[system/mountroot]: line 16:
/usr/bin/sort: No such
system/mountroot : file or directory
system/mountroot : bash_helper[system/mountroot]: line 16:
/usr/bin/uniq: No such
system/mountroot : file or directory

"
Here in my system, mountroot.i does not seem to contain references to awk.
But in general, my mountroot.i references files like mount, grep and rm as
/bin/mount, /bin/grep and /bin/rm. In my system, these files are in /bin,
not /usr/bin. Sometimes there is a symlink in /usr/bin to the real file in
/bin.
So why is your mountroot.i calling files in /usr/bin? And why is your
mountroot.i using complete path anyway?

Anyway, if you want to get rid of these errors, I think you should upgrade
your ifiles. I'm using the ones from CVS.

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Re: Accessing windows partition through debian etch

[Jorge Peixoto de Morais Neto]

On 4/1/07, Jorge Peixoto de Morais Neto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:


Cedric
>
> Thanks for the prompt reply - this is sounding less of a disaster. How
> would I go about reinstalling the bootloader (sorry if this is a dumb
> question, but I don't want to screw things up). And yes, should have been
> more explicit - the partitions *are* on the same box.
>

If you perform a google search for [reinstall grub debian] you will find
easy results. (assuming you use grub as a bootloader, which is probably the
case).


Hmm, the first hit for such a search seems OK, but it describes in a weird
way what you should do if you have a separate /boot partition. It you don't
have a separate /boot partition, this is a non-issue.
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Re: Accessing windows partition through debian etch

[Jorge Peixoto de Morais Neto]

Cedric

Thanks for the prompt reply - this is sounding less of a disaster. How
would I go about reinstalling the bootloader (sorry if this is a dumb
question, but I don't want to screw things up). And yes, should have been
more explicit - the partitions *are* on the same box.



If you perform a google search for [reinstall grub debian] you will find
easy results. (assuming you use grub as a bootloader, which is probably the
case).

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Re: Debian User List

[Jorge Peixoto de Morais Neto]

On 3/31/07, David Baron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Most recently, how much of the heavy traffic on this list has had anything
to
do with Debian? With Linux? With computers?

The price of bread, love or hate Wallmart or Sponge-Bob, Ubuntu or Dell
(ok U
is a Linux distro and Dell makes computers, but...) Endless threads
filling
my mailbox with irrelevance.


Well, if people use [OT] on the subject I don't think there is any serious
problem.

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Re: keeping tar quiet in script

[Jorge Peixoto de Morais Neto]

What about the classical "1> /dev/null 2>&1"?


This probably has identical behavior identical to &> /dev/null, but is
longer to type.
&>/dev/null seems less portable. Here I have bash and dash, and &>/dev/null
does not work under dash. "1> /dev/null 2>&1" works everywhere.

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Re: keeping tar quiet in script

[Jorge Peixoto de Morais Neto]

On 3/31/07, Jorge Peixoto de Morais Neto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:


I'm using a simple script for making backups with tar. I can't make tar
> quiet, so cron keeps mailing me 'Removing leading `/' from member names' .
> Adding > /dev/null doesn't help. What can I do to catch tar's output and
> keep it from shouting all over the place?
>

a "> /dev/null" redirects  stdout to /dev/null, but stderr is left
untouched.
a "&> /dev/null" redirects both stdout and stderr to /dev/null.

A google search for redirection bash brings you here:


I'm sorry, hit "send" by accident.
I meant:
A google search for [redirection bash] brings you here:
http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Bash-Prog-Intro-HOWTO-3.html


Tnx,

>
>
> Peter
>
> -- Never argue with idiots; they'll drag you down to their own level and
> beat you on experience.
>
>
>
>


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Re: keeping tar quiet in script

[Jorge Peixoto de Morais Neto]

I'm using a simple script for making backups with tar. I can't make tar
quiet, so cron keeps mailing me 'Removing leading `/' from member names' .
Adding > /dev/null doesn't help. What can I do to catch tar's output and
keep it from shouting all over the place?



a "> /dev/null" redirects  stdout to /dev/null, but stderr is left
untouched.
a "&> /dev/null" redirects both stdout and stderr to /dev/null.

A google search for redirection bash brings you here:




Tnx,



Peter

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Re: Bread (was Re: Woohooo! Dell + Linux)

[Jorge Peixoto de Morais Neto]

All* rechargable AA batteries are 1.2v whilst normal AA batteries are
1.5v.



How embarrassing. I guess the battery was just broken then.
There are a lot of other arguments against Sony still.

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Re: Bread (was Re: Woohooo! Dell + Linux)

[Jorge Peixoto de Morais Neto]

I'll go out on a short limb and say that more than 95% of the stuff Aldi
carries that has direct "brand-name" equivalents, is better tasting...


This reminds me of restaurants. I like the small, family food ones 10 times
better than the expensive ones. I prefer tasty food over fancy food that
tastes like crap.

This also reminds me of when I tried to convince my friend that there are
good digital cameras outside Sony. Nothing could change his mind. Not the
fact that there are a lot of famous digital camera brands besides Sony. Not
my observations that Sony does not even have a good quality record, such as
keeping their products from exploding.  Not the fact that everithing in a
Sony produt is non-standard* and the Sony parts cost you an arm and a leg. .
He (and many other friends of mine) would only accept Sony.

* Once I bought a pair of rechargeable batteries from a friend of mine. They
wouldn't work. At first I thought it was the recharger (which was low
quality), and I tried again. Then with a better recharger. I eventually gave
up and put the batteries away. One year later, I looked at the batteries and
realized why they did not work.
They were Sony batteries. Of course they couldn't make a standard battery
and actually compete on price/quality.
So the battery voltage was 1.2v, even though the battery looked exactly like
a standard AA battery.
W. T.  F.

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Re: Bread (was Re: Woohooo! Dell + Linux)

[Jorge Peixoto de Morais Neto]

I mean, since the price difference is so HUGE and the quality is mostly
as good or even better, why Aldi is not deluged by people from open to
close, I'll never know.


For the same reason people want SUVs.
For the same reason women like gold and diamond.
For the same reason people want brand clothes.

I sometimes imagine how would I explain the human society to an alien

ET: Why do people kill each other and go to wars over this "diamond"
substance? What is it for?

Me: Well, aside from its industrial applications, people want it for the
precise reason that it is hard to get. If its abundance increased, people
would cease using it.

ET: WTF!?

Re: add memory and spam question

[Jorge Peixoto de Morais Neto]

Hi all

I have add memory and spam questions

1/ After adding the memory from 1G to 2G, the bios can
show the correct 2G memory. but the kernel can't show
it. Do I need to change any setting?


I believe this is related to a kernel config option. I am assuming you know
how to configure the kernel. In the menu of make menuconfig, you go to
Processor type and features and take a look at the High memory support
option.

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Re: Woohooo! Dell + Linux

[Jorge Peixoto de Morais Neto]

Except for Dell, most hardware vendors sell their product wholesale to
retailers. These vendors need to convince retailers to stock their product
and offer it to the public. The retail marketplace is dominated by
Microsoft. Much as I like Debian and Linux, I find it hard to believe
that Microsoft dominance of retail will end in the near future. Is this
monopoly, oligarchy, or simply reality?



Clarify.

For me your distinction makes no sense  because monopoly is, by definition,
the situation in  which a single vendor controls the marketplace.

Perhaps you meant "is this Microsoft monopoly situation illegal or
unethical, or merely a result of free market?".

Which is simply absurd. Microsoft's actions such as
1) Bundling IE
2) Changing MS Office file formats with each version, in order to make
people use the most recent version. (Amazingly, Openoffice is often *more*
compatible with older MS Office file formats then MS Office itself).
3) Faking grass-roots support (CAGW, ATL, Campaign for Creativity, receiving
support from dead people)
4) Abusing the Windows monopoly to gain monopoly in other areas. For
example, when they change the windows API (like when moving from Win 3.1 to
Win 32) their Office engineers have early access to the API and this
allowed, for instance, MS Office to be the first 32 bit Office suite for MS
Windows
5) Embrace & Extend. See IE for example.
6) Halloween Documents.
7) Hostile attitude towards competitors. Threats. Flying chairs.
8)etc..

Leave no doubt on the ethics of Microsoft. Let's remember that Microsoft has
already been convicted in USA, Europe, Asia (Korea and Japan IIRC)...

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Re: [OT] How much open is OpenSolaris?

[Jorge Peixoto de Morais Neto]

On 3/30/07, Bruno Buys <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


From time to time I grab a diferent OS to install and try my hands at
it. This time was OpenSolaris. The thing is, at some point in the
install, OpenSolaris throws a license at my face that doesn't seem open
at all. I can run the software, but I can't redistribute, copy, etc.


The Wikipedia article on the CDDL does not mention such restrictions. Can
you give us more information? Such as the text of the license or, if it has
a name, its name? What you speak of does not seem like the CDDL.

Perhaps Sun has devised a way to put the software under a free license but
found a legal way to restrict its use. Like Novell. But perhaps you are just
mistaken, and, frankly, I think it is more likely. The release of Solaris as
free software was such an important event that if there were evil hidden
restrictions in it, there would be a lot of noise in the free software
community.


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Re: Speeding up boot time

[Jorge Peixoto de Morais Neto]

Is there a Debian package for initng yet? Couldn't find one...


AFAIK, there is a package in experimental , and it is quite outdated. Don't
ask me why.

In the initng site, I found this:
http://download.initng.org/debs/debian/


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Re: Speeding up boot time

[Jorge Peixoto de Morais Neto]

On 3/29/07, KS <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Jorge Peixoto de Morais Neto wrote:
>>
>> Skreenshot of the error is available here:
>> http://open.faaltu.net/pix/initng-checkfs.jpg
>
>
> I got a 404 on this.
>

Sorry my mistake, should have been
http://faaltu.net/pix/initng-checkfs.jpg


Finally I see the error.
Your problem seems related to this:
http://www.arcknowledge.com/gmane.comp.init.initng.tickets/2006-12/msg3.html

Try upgrading to 0.6.8.

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Re: Speeding up boot time

[Jorge Peixoto de Morais Neto]

I believe it would also be useful for you to try a more recent version of
ifiles. I use it from cvs.

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Re: Speeding up boot time

[Jorge Peixoto de Morais Neto]

Skreenshot of the error is available here:
http://open.faaltu.net/pix/initng-checkfs.jpg



Why don't you send me , attached? If you compress it enough it will probably
be just a few KB, and I think my mail can handle even a few MB.

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Re: Speeding up boot time

[Jorge Peixoto de Morais Neto]

Skreenshot of the error is available here:
http://open.faaltu.net/pix/initng-checkfs.jpg



I got a 404 on this.

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Re: Speeding up boot time

[Jorge Peixoto de Morais Neto]

Hmm I will try to get as much as possible here. As the system hasn't
booted fully till the error comes, I can't find a way to copy the
messages it gives. Essentially it stops due to inability to start
system/mountfs daemon (or service ?).


Hum... It would probably be more productive if you asked help on the initng
mailing list. The only information I can give you is this:

If you issue ngc -6, you reboot your computer
If you issue ngc -l, you have a log. AFAIK, it works like this:
You issue ngc -l , and the system will execute option and save the log.
For example, ngc -l -6 will reboot and save the log. Than you issue a simple
ngc -l and get the log.

However, I believe the ngc -l only works if you are running initng...

There must be another way to get a log. Please post this on the initng
mailing list.

Of course, I would simply take a picture with my digital camera...

And if you are patient enough, you can simply copy with pencil and paper.
You can press scroll lock to pause the boot.

/KS



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Re: "I do consider Ubuntu to be Debian" , Ian Murdock

[Jorge Peixoto de Morais Neto]

> Everybody behaving in a certain way does not make it right. Just as
> everybody thinking something does not make it true.

Except, of course, when it comes to language, especially idioms, where
a
large enough group can make any foul syntax and grammar
correct.  Remember,
Lexicographers not only define what is "accurate" but what is in popular
use.
Hence, "d'oh" now being a word.  :P


If we don't offer any resistance to this, we will end up with the opposite
of Esperanto.


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Re: "I do consider Ubuntu to be Debian" , Ian Murdock

[Jorge Peixoto de Morais Neto]

Hell, lots of people are missusing that phrase.
Which begs the question: Are they wrong?


It raises the question. And the answer is yes.

Everybody behaving in a certain way does not make it right. Just as
everybody thinking something does not make it true.


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etch and not testing, otherwise you may end up with a broken system once
etch goes stable.





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Re: how to install debian if I can "only" boot from harddisk ?

[Jorge Peixoto de Morais Neto]

I did try it, just for kicks since I already had Debian installed.  It
works just as advertised.  It will detect which processor you have, and
download appropriate net install (daily build if I am not mistaken) for
Etch and then offer you a chance to install it next boot.  The install
works just as if you booted it from a CD.



Really?  There is one particular aspect I'm concerned with:  Will it really
put Debian on its own partition or is it one of those
Linux-in-a-file-inside-a-windows-partition crazy things? I looked a lot in
the net for this information but I can't find it anywhere.

Joe


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Re: Speeding up boot time

[Jorge Peixoto de Morais Neto]

I tried 0.6.7 from http://debian.space-based.de repository (given on
http://www.initng.org/wiki/Install_Debian_Ubuntu ) and it booted the
machine the first time. Then I thought of benchmarking both of them.
After I was done with making a bootchart for init, I tried doing the
same with initng and from that boot onwards it gave me errors that it
wasn't able to start system/mountfs or system/checkfs daemons! Back to
sysvinit :(



Can you be more specific on the errors?

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Re: CONFIG_SOFTWARE_SUSPEND=y, ACPI, and uswsusp

[Jorge Peixoto de Morais Neto]

> I am attempting to get uswsusp working on my Debian Sid machine. After
> reading the docs, a couple of SuSe web pages
> (http://en.opensuse.org/S2disk) regarding s2ram and s2disk I am stuck on
> one detail: CONFIG_SOFTWARE_SUSPEND=y. I can not find this kernel option
> anywhere when attempting to configure the kernel. Whether it's the
> debian 2.6.18 source or the kernel.org 2.6.20 source; can't be found.
> Not under the ACPI options, nor the CPU frequency scaling options.
>
> Attempting to dpkg-reconfigure uswsusp results in:
>
> Your kernel doesn't support userspace software
> suspend
>
>
> Your kernel doesn't support userspace sofware suspend. Please
> reconfigure your kernel to include
> CONFIG_SOFTWARE_SUSPEND=y and recompile.
>
>
>
> Can someone point me in the right direction?

In 2.6.18, it's under 'Power Management Options'. Check 'Software
Suspend'.



I'm sorry for being slightly offtopic, but how can I know if my PC supports
suspend-to-disk?
I frequently have several programs open and I sometimes keep the PC on
overnight in order to have the same open programs in the morning. It would
be better on the environment if I always powered down the computer.


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Re: deleting content of /tmp

[Jorge Peixoto de Morais Neto]

1. It is a lot faster for a lot of stuff, as long as your kernel has
proper
swapping behavior.  This happens because tmpfs can avoid a great deal of
costly operations that other filesystems with backing store need to
perform
(such as the need to keep metadata in sync on the backing store).

2. It will waste more virtual memory space than your regular filesystem
with
a backing store, as it needs to keep all data in virtual memory (even if
it
happens to be swapped).  This *can* be a problem on 32-bit systems.



Interesting. Is there any downside? Why isn't  this default?

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Re: Speeding up boot time

[Jorge Peixoto de Morais Neto]

Does anyone have experience in using either of these? How much is the
performance different than the current init?



I use Initng.  Is  is running perfectly.  In fact,  a bug  I had  (where
Esound  would not start  on  booting as it should) was solved by moving from
Sysvinit to initng.

The performance difference is large, but I don't remember the numbers. Just
try for yourself.

On my Gentoo system, I have both Initng and Sysvinit. I choose on the Grub
menu which one I'll boot. Initng is default. Sysvinit is there only because
my friend Justin made me keep it.

Note: I'm using initng-0.6.8.

Thanks,

KS.




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Re: Copying files to a windows XP partition (mtools?)

[Jorge Peixoto de Morais Neto]

If you dont have/cant make a vfat partition there is another option.
There is a windows driver for ext2 (1) (assuming that's what you use)
which enables you to copy from linux to windows when in windows.



Why not just use NTFS-3G? I hear that there is a stable release since
January 2007.

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Re: deleting content of /tmp

[Jorge Peixoto de Morais Neto]

   If path specifies a directory, remove(path) is the equivalent of
rmdir(path).  Otherwise, it is the equivalent of unlink(path).



I believe using unlink is less portable.

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Re: deleting content of /tmp

[Jorge Peixoto de Morais Neto]

The following little C program will illustrate:

#include 
#include 

int main(void) {
  FILE *f;

  f = fopen("check_my_size", "w");
  int i;
  for (i = 0; i < 100; ++i)
fprintf(f, "This is just filler for the file");
  system("ls -lk check_my_size");
  printf("Checking utilization:\n");
  fflush(stdout);
  system("df -k");
  sleep(2);
  printf("Unlinking file\n");
  fflush(stdout);
  unlink("check_my_size");
  system("ls -lk check_my_size");
  printf("Checking utilization:\n");
  fflush(stdout);
  system("df -k");
  sleep(2);
  printf("Closing file\n");
  fflush(stdout);
  fclose(f);
  system("ls -lk check_my_size");
  printf("Checking utilization:\n");
  fflush(stdout);
  system("df -k");
  return 0;
}


Why do you use unlink() instead of remove()?
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Re: Any feedback on Icedove?

[Jorge Peixoto de Morais Neto]

On 3/24/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Greetings;

I just learned of Icedove today.

Is anybody here using it?

What do you think of it?

Where caqn I find some more info on it?

Thanks for any info!

Dennis


Slightly off topic, but I use and like Sylpheed. Sylpheed is a very fast and
lightweight email program written in GTK. It has nice features, a nice
interface, and is easy to integrate with bogofilter.

There is a related program, called Claws mail, that was based on Sylpheed
and is supposed to be more up to date. I am considering switching to Claws.
Check the article about Claws on Wikipedia.

Regarding bogofilter: it is a nice Bayesian spam filter written in C. It is
fast, has a small probability of false negatives, and a very small
possibility of false positives. This last point (the very small possibility
of false positives) is a nice one: it means that with bogofilter, you don't
have to worry about checking your spam folder, unlike with other spam
filters.

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Re: Any feedback on Icedove?

[Jorge Peixoto de Morais Neto]

icedove is debianised version of Mozilla Thunderbird (the same software,
but
different name due to licensing issues). so I'd say MANY people use it.


Only to be mathematically rigorous: not only the name, but some of the
artwork, is different.
The actual *code*, however, is essentially the same.

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Re: deleting content of /tmp

[Jorge Peixoto de Morais Neto]

mount /tmp onto tmpfs and run tmpreaper. No problems, just watch your swap
space, limit its (/tmp) size and instead of separate partition for /tmp
use
bigger swap area.



What is the performance impact of mounting /tmp in tmpfs? Some thoughts:
1) Maybe it will make the system faster, because files in tmp will be faster
to access.
2) Then again, maybe the disk cache is enough for this, so there will be no
impact on performance.
3) Or, the system will be slower, because too much memory will be used for
tmpfs and when some application needs memory the kernel will have to move a
part of tmpfs to swap before it can serve the application.
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Re: pppconfig "command not found"

[Jorge Peixoto de Morais Neto]

Thanks for clarifying the issue. I wait till the final version come out
hoping that it will include the package. In the mean time I take up the
issue on the developer-testing list or file a bug report as you suggested.


It seems that all you have to do is install two packages, ppp and pppconfig.
If the claim that ppp is in the CD is correct, you can install ppp from the
CD and dpkg -i pppconfig from the .deb.

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Re: deleting content of /tmp

[Jorge Peixoto de Morais Neto]

Can someone advise me on the pros and cons of deleting the contents of
/tmp/ as part of general security conscious non-paranoia. I was thinking
that it would be an okay thing to do periodically (or at logout, etc.)
using a overwriting/shredding program. But, before I committed myself,
decided it was prudent to ask.




From the FHS:


tmp : Temporary files

Purpose

The /tmp directory must be made available for programs that require temporary
files.

Programs must not assume that any files or directories in /tmp are preserved
between invocations of the program.

   Rationale: IEEE standard P1003.2 (POSIX, part 2) makes requirements that
   are similar to the above section.

   Although data stored in /tmp may be deleted in a site-specific manner, it
   is recommended that files and directories located in /tmp be deleted
   whenever the system is booted.

   FHS added this recommendation on the basis of historical precedent and
   common practice, but did not make it a requirement because system
   administration is not within the scope of this standard.


So it is safe to delete /tmp when you know that no running programs are
using any file there. You can delete /tmp in the beginning of the boot
process, as the FHS itself suggests. I think this already happens
automatically on Debian, but I'm not sure.
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Re: pppconfig "command not found"

[Jorge Peixoto de Morais Neto]

Which dependecy problems? Help us help you. You can always paste the
relevant information in your email (in this case, it would be the output of
dpkg).
Also, depending on the amount of missing packages, you can easily download
them from Ubuntu.

This was the output massage:
depends on ppp (<=2.3.7)
package ppp is not installed


Marko Randjelovic asked you to install the package
http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/p/ppp/ppp_2.4.4rel-8_amd64.deb
He only forgot that such package is for the amd64 architecture. You should
download the package for the i386 architecture. That should be the same URL,
with amd64 replaced by i386.

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Re: How to: Mount NTFS filesystems RW

[Jorge Peixoto de Morais Neto]

The standard implementation of NTFS for Linux is read-only IIRC. There is
NTFS-3g, which is rw, you can try that.

As for the partition being mounted root-only, read the manual page of mount
(man mount). Look in the section "Mount options for ntfs" for the options
uid=value,gid=value and umask=value.

Also, it might be convenient to study the option "user". IIRC, this is a
standard mount option (that is, not specific to NTFS) that allows any user
(that is, not only root) to mount a given mount point. Look it up in the man
page.




/dev/hda1 on /cdrv type ntfs (rw,uid=0,gid=100)
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And everything is still 400 or 600. Nothing changes.

Any suggestions??

Many TIA!
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Re: pppconfig "command not found"

[Jorge Peixoto de Morais Neto]

Thanks for the pppconfig package but I cannot install it because of
dependency problems.

jmak



Which dependecy problems? Help us help you. You can always paste the
relevant information in your email (in this case, it would be the output of
dpkg).
Also, depending on the amount of missing packages, you can easily download
them from Ubuntu.

And a question to the other listeners in this thread: it would be amazingly
convenient if apt-get could generate a list of packages to be downloaded
from the net. Preferably in a format easily  parseable by wget. Is it
possible?

The game "dowload .deb of x, dpkg -i x, x needs y, dwonload .deb of y, dpkg
-i y, y needs w and z..." is no fun.

Another question: from Ubuntu, can he "get into" Debian and use apt-get? In
this way, Ubuntu would provide the internet connection. I don't know if
chroot would do the trick.

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Re: pppconfig "command not found"

[Jorge Peixoto de Morais Neto]

If you can post to this mailing list, then you have internet access from
some other computer. I think it should be enough to download just these
two files:

http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/p/ppp/ppp_2.4.4rel-8_amd64.deb


How do you know his architecture is amd64?

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Re: pppconfig "command not found"

[Jorge Peixoto de Morais Neto]

Also after installation my ubuntu on the other partition doesn't see the
partitions any longer. What could be the problem.


If I understood right, when you installed Etch, Ubuntu ceased to see the
partitions in which Etch was installed.
Perhaps you changed the filesystem in the partition when you installed Etch;
see your /etc/fstab in Ubuntu and verify if it is correct.




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Re: web browser choices

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I'm sure you can do it without recompiling, through some 'mknod' kind of
magic. Can't help you there, though. If you need help compiling your own
kernel, I can give you some hints.


But nowadays, with things like udev, it its perfectly possible that the
device will be created simply by loading a module, is it not?
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Re: web browser choices

[Jorge Peixoto de Morais Neto]

On 3/19/07, Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


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>
> By the way, you can use Swiftfox. It is an optimized build of Firefox
> with machine-specific optimizations, aggressive optimization flags and
> some features (like Pango) disabled to improve performance.

What do we lose with lack-of-Pango?




From  Wikipedia:

*Pango* is an open source <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_source>
computing <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computing> library for rendering
internationalized texts in high quality, integrated into
GTK+<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GTK%2B>2.

I doesn't matter for me if an Arab word will look good or not. I won't
understand it either way.


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Re: "I do consider Ubuntu to be Debian" , Ian Murdock

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I think that non-free software go  to  restricted and to multiverse, while

main and universe are pure.
I believe main and restricted are enabled by default, and that is why you
ended up with unrar.


Humm, thinking again, Ubuntu keeps restricted to a bare minimum, and unrar
would certainly go to multiverse. So I don't know how you ended up with
unrar.
IIRC, restricted only has drivers and things like that.

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Re: "I do consider Ubuntu to be Debian" , Ian Murdock

[Jorge Peixoto de Morais Neto]

And I'm a GNU Purist, besides my wireless drivers (Which are in
contrib) I have no non-free packages installed on my system. Ubuntu
doesn't offer any differentiations between non-free packages and free
packages in their repositories, which upset me when I run my weekly
"vrms" to find that the program "unrar" was non-free. Of course now I
use the (Far inferior) unrar-free program, but I hated how Ubuntu had
no seperation between the repositories.



I think that non-free software go  to  restricted and to multiverse, while
main and universe are pure.
I believe main and restricted are enabled by default, and that is why you
ended up with unrar.

By the way, I use 7zip to uncompress rar (I don't know if it compresses rar,
I have never tried, I I have no intention to compress to a non-free
format.).


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Re: Can't boot linux with GRUB

[Jorge Peixoto de Morais Neto]

After many starts and stops and restarts I got Deb
installed via the web. GRUB was installed, did a
shutdown/restart and I can't boot to Deb/linux. It
spews out all sorts of messages too fast for me to
read them and then locks the system.


Be more clear. The message appear before or after the kernel starts?

Also, maybe you can pause the messages by hitting the pause/break key or the
scroll lock key (I have realized that in some situations the scroll lock key
pauses things. I don't understand it).


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Re: Favorite Email/Calender/PIM and Why

[Jorge Peixoto de Morais Neto]

You mean GNUS?
I love Emacs, but I eventually gave up on Gnus. I just couldn't grok it.
I'm on Sylpheed now. Haven't tried Claws.

I don't use any calendar.


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Matthew K Poer writes:
> are there others?

Emacs.
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Re: "I do consider Ubuntu to be Debian" , Ian Murdock

[Jorge Peixoto de Morais Neto]

And for the people who actually want to use Linux, they will
eventually move from Ubuntu to Debian.


I don't want to start a flamewar, but I don't why Debian is superior to
Ubuntu for a home user.


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Re: web browser choices

[Jorge Peixoto de Morais Neto]

So right now I use iceape.  Its big and clunky I suppose, but mostly I
don't like all the security bugs that keep being found in the
gekko-based browsers (per the debian BTS).


Well, I was trying to find a lightweight browser too. Dillo is beautifully
fast, but
1-) Lack some features as you mentioned. A can't use gmail, orkut, and some
things on slashdot don't work (for example, I can't tag articles).
2-) Its interface is not as good as Firefox's. In Firefox, I can do
everything with the keyboard. for example, hitting ' allows me to search
links. I can move tabs, I can save tabs (which is extremely useful to me). I
can have several search engines (extremely useful) and bookmark shortcuts
with parameters (such as, i type cmq query in the location bar and it
searches comp.lang.c.moderated for the string query). I have excellent
extensions in Firefox, such as Gmail Manager, Greasemonkey, Image Zoom...

Firefox, while slow, can't be beat...

Resistance is futile...

By the way, you can use Swiftfox. It is an optimized build of Firefox with
machine-specific optimizations, aggressive optimization flags and some
features (like Pango) disabled to improve performance.


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Re: "I do consider Ubuntu to be Debian" , Ian Murdock

[Jorge Peixoto de Morais Neto]

An Appeal to Authority is not always an invalid tactic. (Although it
often is.)



Agreed. This is a common confusion. People tend to refute Ad Hominen or
Appeal to Authority, but they are often valid.

If you claim that I am sick, I'll trust you more if you are a doctor.
This is appeal to authority, and valid.

If somebody claims something in a web forum, someone else may respond by
saying: "this guy is a troll, he has copy-pasted this thing into a dozen
mailing lists, and even though people have  rebutted his false claims again
and again, he still does it. I think he is doing it only for fun. Don't
answer him."

This is Ad Hominen, and valid.

Note: I don't take sides on the "Is Debian Ubuntu issue?". Nor do I claim
that Ian Murdock has enough expertise to decide this. Being the first does
not automatically make him the greatest expert on Debian.

And why are you arguing whether Debian is Ubuntu anyway?

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Re: Alternatives to Dreamweaver (was: Re: Wine)

[Jorge Peixoto de Morais Neto]

Two approches:
  1. For creating a single web page: Try AbiWord, with the Save As XHTML
feature. It tends to work well, render decently. It's fine for a quick
page. However,
  2. For creating an intricate web site, or a series of web pages, Learn
XHTML, CSS, and perhaps javascript. Code it from scratch in nano, Kate,
Gedit, whatever, because there is no WYSIWYG editor currently in
existence that does everything to quality. I.E. things do not render
currectly cross-platform or cross-browser, pieces of code do not
validate, or perhaps the sources are simply unorganized.
  3. If you simply *must* ignore 2, try NVU (which is based on the
original Mozilla Composer). You don't have my blessing.


My friend says that DW has a "template" feature that automatizes building a
website. How would you do that without DW?

I don't know DW, I don't know web designing, but I suspect that this is what
CSS is for, isn't it?

Again, how would you build a large website of similar pages?



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Re: Alternatives to Dreamweaver (was: Re: Wine)

[Jorge Peixoto de Morais Neto]

While I haven't used DW in many years (since I realized it has serious
vendor lock-in issues)


I didn't know that. And I suspect my friend didn't know that before he
started using DW.

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Re: "I do consider Ubuntu to be Debian" , Ian Murdock

[Jorge Peixoto de Morais Neto]

So this is something like
"Ubuntu considered Debian"
?
:)

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Re: Wine

[Jorge Peixoto de Morais Neto]

This friend knows that Dreamweaver does *not* produce web-suitable HTML,
right?  (If it doesn't pass http://validator.w3.org/, it's not
web-suitable).

(And are you really his friend for not suggesting something better than
Dreamweaver?)



I did not know that. I know nothing about Web designing. I don't know what
to suggest, and if I suggested something, I couldn't defend my position.

He did mention that his website is currently IE-only, but at least he said
he knows what makes it  not run on Firefox, that it is something small,and
that he will fix it when he has time.

But I will suggest him to submit his site to http://validator.w3.org/...


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Re: wine or VM

[Jorge Peixoto de Morais Neto]

we used to run programs on WIN98SE, Win2000 and XP using for instance
QUICKTIME or being programmed in Pascal using graphics.
Some people are using powerpoint-presentations and WINWORD-Textfiles. Both
with problems since StarOffice 8 PP5 is not transferring everything
exactly.
So some of those people don't want to take Staroffice or whatever. If it
is
not working the way they did it, forget it.


What a pitty... And I have also seen people behave like that. They don't
want any change. They would only accept Staroffice if it was identical to
MSoffice, including trivial things such as the color of the interface
Worse, if they see any bug in Staroffice they shout and scream, but they
accept bugs in MSOFFICE in a hourly basis... people are just afraid of
what's new. Be it with science, nuclear power, or simple things like
software... But back on topic,

I made a few experiments with wine, but had problems with charactersizes in

graphics, if it was running at all.


Weird. Wine runs Office pretty well. Maybe you should try a more recent
version of wine, or ask for help in the wine mailing list, or try helper
programs like winetools and helper websites like the Frank's corner.
Or, if you want it to be a piece of cake, you can buy Codeweavers's
Crossover Linux product. You probably have heard of them. They sell an
enhanced version of Wine (and they work actively on the Wine project and
contribute code back to them) and sell it to Linux and Mac OS, with support.
It is cheap and, IIRC, Microsoft Office 2000 is officially supported.


Is a virtual machine a better alternative to wine?


I have never tried, but I suspect a vm would be quite resource intensive. If
you can get Office working under wine, you could use that. If you need more
reliability, you could buy the Codeweavers's product.

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Re: Wine

[Jorge Peixoto de Morais Neto]

Or if you run Sarge or Testing, grab the unstable deb-src and
compile away...


I friend of mine wants to run Dreamweaver, and I suggested wine. However he
had some problems (which I don't remember, and my friend is not here right
now). He runs Debian Unstable.

So you guys are saying that the .debs in winehq are not really suited to
Debian? I didn't know that.

So I wan't to compile from source.
In this case, what is the best way? to download the tarball from winehq or
to download the deb-src?
Maybe the deb-src is taylored to Ubuntu like the deb is. But maybe not
because it is only source anyway. I don't know.

Can someone enlighten me?






So, to sum it up, the reason that some upstream developers provide

>> Ubuntu but not Debian packages is because they either don't know about
>> tools like pbuilder or are just lazy.
>
> I fully agree.  Now we just need to convince Mr. Richie of that.  His
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>
> I don't think we'll get very far, and I am not the one to do it, since I
> am not experienced enough with properly building Debian packages that I
> can engage in a technical discussion about it.
>
> I misquoted the first time, it doesn't say the package has changed, it
> said Debian changed.
>
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Re: tar vs

[Jorge Peixoto de Morais Neto]

On 3/17/07, Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


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>>
>> - tar has been around forever
>> - tar is standard on pretty much every *nix system (which GNU tar
>>becoming more common even on commercial Unices)
>
> Tar is easily available even on Windows. Good programs like 7-zip and
many,
> many others, can handle tar well.
>
> - gzip provides better compression than zip (bzip2 is even better but
>>it takes lots of CPU)
>
> rzip, which is built on top of bzip2, manages to compress significantly
> better than bzip2 (specially for large files), while being significantly
> faster.
> A drawback is that it cannot work as a filter (IIRC, it can't read from
a
> pipe, and the author says that the design of the algorithm makes it hard
or
> even impossible to make it able to read from a pipe).
> It was done by Andrew Tridgell (which dispenses presentation).
> 7zip compresses even more (more than zip, gzip, bzip2 or even rzip) but
is
> very slow.

I'll have to try it.

> My choice is rzip.

For big "stand-alone" files, it's great.

> I really don't know why isn't rzip integrated with tar (like gzip and
bzip2
> are) and why isn't it more widely used.

Because tar uses pipes, which, as you pointed out, rzip can't use.



Pardon me if I say something stupid, but I don't know why tar cannot just
1)run the .tar.rz file through rzip when decompressing, than extracting the
necessary files from the .tar
2)when compressing, generate a .tar and then run it through rzip.

It would probably be slower than to use pipes, but would be good enough in
many situations. Anyway, having the option wouldn't hurt, and I think it
would be quite simple to add this to the tar code.

If, for instance, .deb's used rzip, they would probably be significantly
smaller and I believe that the time saved in download would be much higher
than the additional time spent in decompressing.


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Re: tar vs

[Jorge Peixoto de Morais Neto]

- tar has been around forever
- tar is standard on pretty much every *nix system (which GNU tar
   becoming more common even on commercial Unices)


Tar is easily available even on Windows. Good programs like 7-zip and many,
many others, can handle tar well.

- gzip provides better compression than zip (bzip2 is even better but

   it takes lots of CPU)


rzip, which is built on top of bzip2, manages to compress significantly
better than bzip2 (specially for large files), while being significantly
faster.
A drawback is that it cannot work as a filter (IIRC, it can't read from a
pipe, and the author says that the design of the algorithm makes it hard or
even impossible to make it able to read from a pipe).
It was done by Andrew Tridgell (which dispenses presentation).
7zip compresses even more (more than zip, gzip, bzip2 or even rzip) but is
very slow.
My choice is rzip.
I really don't know why isn't rzip integrated with tar (like gzip and bzip2
are) and why isn't it more widely used.


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Re: Sound on Linux?

[Jorge Peixoto de Morais Neto]

I haven't even read this entire (huge) thread, but it seems strange to me
that KDE applications don't work with arts.

Can it be that the apps are misconfigured to use ALSA directly but you are
running arts? You should either:

1)Leave arts on with application set up to use it
or
2)Set applications to use ALSA directly and turn off arts.

I have heard somewhere that it is possible to use at the same time arts and
applications that use ALSA directly if you use something called dmix or
something like that.

Anyway, what I mean is, if you are having this problem than I think that
your apps are set up to use ALSA directly, and it should be possible to set
them up to use arts.

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Re: OT: Linux Interview Questions

[Jorge Peixoto de Morais Neto]

On 3/15/07, Andrew Sackville-West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



On Thu, Mar 15, 2007 at 06:26:25PM -0300, Jorge Peixoto de Morais Neto
wrote:
> >
> >Ok so the min hour thing is wrong on the crontab. It should be
something
> >like this:
> >
> >00 06 * * * [ `date -d tomorrow +%d` -eq '01' ] && /the/script
> >
> >for 6:00 AM on the last day of each month
>
>
>
> I didn't know it was possible to put this kind of thing (the output of a
> command) in crontab. I searched for it in the man page and could not
find it
> ( man 5 crontab on a Gentoo system). Interesting indeed.
>




its not really "putting the output in the crontab". Its just testing

the command to see if it works. If it tests true then its will execute
the next command after the &&. otherwise, it will fail and the whole
command will then fail.


I'm sorry, I had misread the command. I know the && sintax. My eyes had
skipped the && and I thought that the [ `date -d tomorrow +%d` -eq '01' ]
was one of the crontab fields (which amused me). I would have understood it
correctly if I had seen the &&.

Sorry.

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Re: OT: Linux Interview Questions

[Jorge Peixoto de Morais Neto]

Ok so the min hour thing is wrong on the crontab. It should be something
like this:

00 06 * * * [ `date -d tomorrow +%d` -eq '01' ] && /the/script

for 6:00 AM on the last day of each month




I didn't know it was possible to put this kind of thing (the output of a
command) in crontab. I searched for it in the man page and could not find it
( man 5 crontab on a Gentoo system). Interesting indeed.





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How to share the apt cache

[Jorge Peixoto de Morais Neto]

Hi. We use Debian on a number of machines, and, to avoid downloading the same packages multiple times, we download debian cd images (which are kept updated with jigdo) to a server and set sources.list to point (only) to this images.
But this has obvious problems. What is the "correct" way to share the apt cache? I think we should keep /var/cache/apt/archives in the server and mount it with nfs in the other computers. But I'm not shure this is the "correct" way; I don't know enough about the behaviour of apt to be sure that this won't bring an obscure problem. What should I do?
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RE: Can't set bash prompt

[Jorge Peixoto]

I have solved the problem by recreating the user's
account, but I still don't understand it, since the
.bashrc of the user was identical to mine... but well,
consider it solved.
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escreveu:

> Jorge Peixoto wrote:
> > One of the users of this machine has a wrong bash
> prompt. ...
> 
> If you're using Debian 3.1, take a look at
> /etc/profile.  I have a script
> "cvsenv" which sets up environment variables for CVS
> usage.  It also changes
> my Bash prompt (PS1).  On fresh installs of Debian
> 3.1, /etc/profile
> interferes with the later function and I have to
> adjust things (I set PS1 in
> ~/.bash_profile which takes care of login shells,
> and I comment out the PS1
> line in /etc/profile).
> 
> 
> HTH,
> 
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Can't set bash prompt

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One of the users of this machine has a wrong bash
prompt. It works well on a virtual console, but on
xterm or gnome-terminal, PS1 is set to \s-\v\$ , which
is very unhelpful. But this user's .bashrc is
identical to mine (as told by md5sum), and I don't
have this problem, so I don't know what to do. It is
also identical to /etc/skel/.bashrc.
I have tested xterm and gnome-terminal, executed from
the "Run application" command dialog, and they have
the same problem.
Sorry if this is a stupid question, but I googled
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lost data when resizing reiserfs

[Jorge Peixoto]

I´m a user of kurumin, a sitro based on Knoppix.
Actually, it´s just a Debian testing.

My HD was divided into a main reiserfs partition and a
swap one. Because I needed a small fat32 partition, I
used Qtparted to shrink the reiserfs one, and then I
used cfdisk to create the fat32 partition (should I
have rebooted the computer before using cfdisk? I
dont´t know.). Then I rebooted the computer, and
received a lot of error messages. A lot of data was
gone, include parts of /home and the whole /var ! I
then backed up my /home into the newly created fat32
partition and run reiserfsck --rebuild-tree on the
reiserfs partiton. All I got was dozens of thousands
of files in /lost+found. I cannot search those files
myself. But I need those data in /home. What can I do?
Is there a way to know wich files in lost+found come
from /home? Is there a software wich may help? Could
software like those from Ontrack help me? Anything
else could help me?

thanks in forward

ps: I´m sorry for the bad English and for the length
of this e-mail.

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