Re: My Friends Make Fun of My UI

[Martin Vegter]

On 03/04/2015 10:03 PM, Stephen R Guglielmo wrote:
> 
> I did a bit of reading and would prefer the Gnome "Classic" interface.
> Is there a way to install this type of "minimal" gnome without breaking
> it too much? Is it even possible to do, or does it all depend on one
> another?
> 

Gnome is overbloated "by design". If you want minimalistic desktop
environment, LXDE is a good choice. What are you missing in LXDE? You
can install individual packages from Gnome/KDE/...

Martin


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Re: how to install previous version of Icedove (24.8.1)

[Martin Vegter]

On 02/28/2015 01:18 AM, The Wanderer wrote:
> 
> The only major negative change from 24.x to 31.x that I'm aware of is
> the addressing component of the Compose dialog, which can be reverted
> via userChrome.css changes.

Exactly! The header of the compose dialog was bothering me. But using
your css, I was able to revert almost everything back to the "24" look.

That's fantastic. Thanks so much

> If the result doesn't work, or if it's too confusing to try to put
> together the necessary CSS from the multiple snippets, let me know and I
> can try to pull out the correct pieces from my own userChrome.css and
> post them here. (Just posting the entire file wouldn't do; I have
> several other changes, aimed at reverting changes introduced since TB2.)

I would very much like to see your userChrome.css, even if it contains
many more changes. Perhaps people could find some other useful tweaks. I
did not know so much can be done with userChrome.css.

For example, can I hide the "From" field entirely (I am only ever using
one sender anyway, thus the field is useless). Also, is it possible to
make the input fields with round edges?

Cheers,
Martin


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how to install previous version of Icedove (24.8.1)

[Martin Vegter]

Hello,

I am installing Debian Wheezy and I would like to install the same
version of Icedove as I have on my other machine: Icedove 24.8.1.
However, the current version in Wheezy is 31.4.0. (it has been upgraded
few months ago). This new version has new misfeatures which I cannot
live with. I need the older version. Is there any way to install Icedove
24.8.1 on Debian Wheezy ?

regards,
Martin


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Re: preseeding: disable systemd

[Martin Vegter]

> On 09/14/2014 02:22 AM, Joel Rees wrote:
> 2014/09/13 22:06 "Brian"  >:
>>
>> On Sat 13 Sep 2014 at 08:08:55 -0400, The Wanderer wrote:
>>
>> > On 09/13/2014 at 07:42 AM, Michael Biebl wrote:
>> >
>> > > Am 13.09.2014 um 12:22 schrieb Erwan David:
>> > >
>> > >> Le 12/09/2014 23:43, Brian a écrit :
>> >
>> > >>> After installation you definitely need to do:
>> > >>>
>> > >>> apt-get install sysvinit-core
>> > >>>
>> > >>> You may also have to do:
>> > >>>
>> > >>> apt-get install systemd-shim
>> > >>>
>> > >>> before issuing the first command.
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >> That's NOT removing systemd. You'll still get systemd with this.
>> > >>
>> > >> De facto yiu cannot opt out systemd. It is compulsory.
>> > >
>> > > Nope, you are wrong and you should know better by now as this has
>> > > been explained many times already.
>> >
>> > Again, I think this is another example of people disagreeing about what
>> > it means to - as it was expressed in this case - "get systemd".
>>
>> Everyone in this thread, bar one, has a good understanding that the OP
>> was clearly asking about an init system for PID 1.
>>
>> > I raised this point in an earlier thread, here:
>> >
>> >https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2014/08/msg01591.html
>> >
>> > I think clarifying what people mean by this, rather than merely
>> > contradicting one another back and forth, could be more constructive.
>>
>> Nothing needs to clarified. The only contradictory post is based on not
>> grasping what the OP asked.
> 
> Is your name Martin?
> 
> Should we ask Martin whether he would be satisfied if
> 
> (1) systemd runs at some pid higher than 1?
> 
> (2) systemd is loaded, but doesn't actually run at all?
> 
> (3) systemd libraries are loaded, but systemd itself is not?
> 
> (4) Some emulation layer provides the functionality and no code from the
> systemd project gets to touch his disks?
> 
> or
> 
> (5) None of the apps he needs ask the OS to do any of the sort of things
> that systemd uniquely does?
> 
> I personally am not going to be satisfied unless #5 is met. That's how
> deep I perceive the design bugs in systemd to extend.
> 
> The marginal real functionality of systemd can and should be done
> another way, to avoid opening huge security holes in the OS.
> 
> That few people seem to understand those holes is well apparent to me,
> but that doesn't mean I should pretend they don't exist.
> 
> But, of course, I am not the OP, and I don't like systemd, so I don't count.
> 
> What does Martin have to say?

In my original question, I asked whether it is possible to use
preseeding to override default init choice, so that systemd will not be
installed.

Installing systemd and having it run with pid other than 1 is not what I
want. It is not the pid 1 that bothers me, it is systemd itself. I want
to avoid systemd entirely

thanks,
Martin


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Re: preseeding: disable systemd

[Martin Vegter]

> On 09/12/2014 09:56 PM, Michael Biebl wrote:
> Am 12.09.2014 15:30, schrieb Martin Vegter:
>> hello,
>>
>> when installing Jessie, systemd is installed as default init.
>>
>> Is it possible to use preseeding to override this, so that systemd will
>> not be installed?
> 
> Any specific reason, why you want to avoid using systemd?

I read somewhere that Jessie will still support the old SysVinit (even
if it's not the default init). I intend to use Debian as long as I can
avoid using systemd.
Once this window closes, I will have to find another distribution or
hope that in the meantime somebody will fork Debian without systemd.

Martin


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preseeding: disable systemd

[Martin Vegter]

hello,

when installing Jessie, systemd is installed as default init.

Is it possible to use preseeding to override this, so that systemd will
not be installed?

PS: I know that it is possible to override default boot loader (grub)
and install lilo instead. I am looking for something similar for init.


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systemd situation in Jesssie

[Martin Vegter]

Hello,

I am wondering whether systemd will be mandatory in Jessie.
At the moment, I can install Jessie without systemd. Will this stay so,
or will this change somewhere before Jessie becomes stable?

I have servers running Jessie. Can I continue upgrading packages on a
regular basis, without having to worry that one of these updates will
uninstall half of my system and install systemd instead (and make my
servers unbootable) ?

any insight would be appreciated

thanks,
Martin


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