Race Conditions between initramfs interface scripts and network file mounts in Debian Etch?

2008-08-21 Thread Matthew Macdonald-Wallace
Hi all,

I'm working on a system with multiple network cards configured as
follows:

eth0 - WAN connection

eth1 ---\
 |-- Bonded (bond0) Lan connection
eth2 ---/


Currently, my /etc/network/interfaces file lists the interfaces in the
following order:

auto eth0
eth0 configuration data...

auto bond0
bond0 configuration data...

The system boots without issue using the above configurations and both
interfaces are brought up and can be accessed via SSH.

As soon as I place an entry into the fstab for a network mount on the
bonded interface (and I've tested this with both NFS and Samba), the
system times out on boot when trying to mount the NFS/SMB share.

If I change the order in the interfaces file to bond0, eth0, the system
boots without issue.

I have reformatted the server and started from scratch and experienced
exactly the same issue.

All cards are intel gigabit cards using the e1000 module and the server
is a Supermicro 1U super server.

Although I can re-order the interfaces file to get this to work, I do
not believe this to be a fix, purely a workround and, quite frankly, if
I wanted a base O/S that was full of workarounds, I'd use windows... :oP

Has anyone else experienced this or am I looking at a potential bug
here?

Please CC me as I am not subscribed to the list anymore,

Kind regards,

Matt.
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Re: OT: Laptop for College Bound Student?

2008-06-11 Thread Matthew Macdonald-Wallace
On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 08:58:53 -0400
"Thomas H. George" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Money is tight, of course.  If I were the student and there is a 
> modest-priced laptop with Debian and OpenOffice I'd take it in a
> flash. I'm not the student, I'm his 79 year old grandfather and I
> don't want him to start off at a disadvantage.  There are certainly
> many college students and recent grads that subscribe to this list.
> I would value your insights

ASUS eeePC - They're cheap (around £220 here in the UK), run Linux (a
Debian derivative if I recall correctly and can have debian installed
onto them), and are incredibly good looking! ;o)

They can also be upgraded through hardware hacking and this is actively
encouraged by Asus.

Hope this is of some help,

Matt.

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Re: how to display on another machine

2008-06-04 Thread Matthew Macdonald-Wallace
On Wed, 4 Jun 2008 08:47:17 +0100
"abdelkader belahcene" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I want to receive the  output on the remote machine.   The first
> problem is to give probably password, ( the machine 192.168.10.10 must
> accept the display) ,

on the machine you want to display the output, type:

ssh -C -X @ "command"

if the above doesn't make sense to you, I suggest the man pages for ssh
or googling "ssh XForwarding"

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Re: Is there any todo manager tools?

2008-06-04 Thread Matthew Macdonald-Wallace
On Wed, 04 Jun 2008 14:08:46 +0800
Ding Honghui <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I need a todo manager tools has such feature:

http://www.todotxt.com/

> 1. category support ( personal, business, etc )

Yup.

> 2. remind before due date ( by mail ,etc )

If you install the "tickler" script

> 3. relation between todo lists ( such as todo A dependence todo B )

Not too sure on this one, but probably already done and supported on
the yahoogroup.

> 4. support priority ( it's better when I can give it a score by
> emergency and necessary )

Yup, up to 26 levels of priority (A-Z)

> 5. easy to update, if I mark it as done, it should disappear in list
> but still remain in history

You can use the command line, email or even a Jabber chat client to
update, add, mark as done, prioritise, archive, list and search your
todo list.

> 6. searchable

see above.

It also has the added bonus of being completely cross-platform as it's
just a text file! :o)

Hope this helps,

Matt

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Re: INQUIRY for DEBIAN LINUX

2008-04-24 Thread Matthew Macdonald-Wallace
On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 15:22:55 +0900
__ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> To compile our solution, we need these packages, kernel-development,
> kernel-source and pam-delvelopment and so on.
> 
> I installed Debian 3r4, 4r0 and 4r3, but I couldn¡¯t find these
> packages. 

Try:

aptitude install build-essential linux-source-

which should give you gcc plus a load of other stuff to help you
compile from Source.

aptitude search libpam 

should give you the package names you need for the PAM development libs.

Hope this helps,

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Re: /dev/null > /dev/sdb1 !

2008-04-22 Thread Matthew Macdonald-Wallace
On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 21:35:31 +0800
paragasu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> now i am wondering. whether it is because the command i just executed
> or my hard disk is really dying?

It could be either.  The command you typed effectively formatted the
disk.

/dev/null contains no data. It is the Linux equivalent of a black
hole.  If you send the output of /dev/null to a file (which is exactly
what you have done) with a single chevron (>), it will overwrite
anything that exists in that file (in this case the entire contents of
your disk).  If you use a double chevron (>>) you will append the
contents of /dev/null to the end of the file (in this case, your disk).

All I can say is "I hope you took a backup..."

Kind regards,

Matt
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Re: Source code editor

2008-04-15 Thread Matthew Macdonald-Wallace
On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 15:07:10 +0100
Matthew Macdonald-Wallace <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> If it's an IDE you're after, check out Eclipse[0].  It rocks.  'Nuff
> Said. :oP

Sorry, missed the bit about needing a shell. :o(

If you're using a command line, as raju says use VIM or Emacs.  If you
can install an X environment then it's worth it for Eclipse! :o)

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Re: Source code editor

2008-04-15 Thread Matthew Macdonald-Wallace
On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 09:50:55 -0400
Kamaraju S Kusumanchi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> You will not find any "real" IDEs in Linux. However, vim/gvim can do
> what you describe. Emacs (another powerful editor) is also capable of
> doing what you describe.

If it's an IDE you're after, check out Eclipse[0].  It rocks.  'Nuff
Said. :oP


Matt

[0] http://www.eclipse.org/
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Re: sidux

2008-04-15 Thread Matthew Macdonald-Wallace
On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 11:25:20 +0200
Rico Secada <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> How do you make something a bit more stable!?

More testing?!! :oP

> Just go with testing - it's perfect.

Agreed, I just like Ubuntu! :o)

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Re: sidux

2008-04-15 Thread Matthew Macdonald-Wallace
On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 20:04:48 +0100
Michael C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Many swear seem to swear by sidux, though its claim to turn "unstable
> into a stable and reliable operating system for every-day usage" seems
> at odds with common sense, especially given its own advice to avoid
> dist-upgrades in the middle of "serious work" because "any package in
> sid can break at any time, and any person can be the first to discover
> it, especially if it is not a standard sidux package."
> 
> I'm obviously never going to get a considered, impartial appraisal
> from their forum and IRC channel, so has anyone here tried sidux only
> to find that Testing was better suited to their desktop needs?
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Michael


If you want to run a "stable" version of Debian "Unstable/Testing", why
not use Ubuntu?  As I understand it, Ubuntu takes the Testing repos and
makes them a bit more stable, then releases them.

Regards,

Matt
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Re: Sony VAIO support, anyone have experience?

2008-04-02 Thread Matthew Macdonald-Wallace


Begin forwarded message:

Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 17:07:11 +0100
From: Matthew Macdonald-Wallace <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Sony VAIO support, anyone have experience?


On Wed, 2 Apr 2008 15:32:49 +0100
Noah Slater <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I am wanting to buy a new laptop primarily to move away from PowerPC
> so that my machine is better supported by a default Debian
> installation.
> 
> I really like the look of the VAIOs but wanted to know if anyone has
> any feedback on how well supported they are. I don't want to be
> patching kernels or hacking my xorg to get things running smoothly.
> 
> Wireless would be nice too, preferably without using non-free
> software.

Buy a DELL.  I've got an Inspiron 6400 with Ubuntu pre-installed and it
works a treat!

M.
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Re: NameVirtualHost and dynamic subdomains on apache.

2008-04-01 Thread Matthew Macdonald-Wallace
On Tue, 1 Apr 2008 11:58:24 -0400
"Michael Habashy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> i had created this file called www.XXX.com and placed it into the
> /etc/apache2/sites-available directory.
> 
> ServerAdmin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> ServerName  XXX.com
> ServerAlias *.XXX.com
> 
> # Indexes + Directory Root.
> DirectoryIndex index.php index.html
> DocumentRoot /var/www/html/websites/XXX.com/public_html/
> 
> # CGI Directory
> #
> ScriptAlias /cgi-bin/ /var/www/html/websites/XXX.com/cgi-bin/ #
>  # Options +ExecCGI
> # 
> 
> 
> # Logfiles
> ErrorLog  /var/log/apache2/www.XXX.com/logs/error.log
> CustomLog /var/log/apache2/www.XXX.com/logs/access.log
> combined 


Using a *.XXX.com won't work.  You need to define a virtual host for
each and every website on your server including all sub-domains and
then place the files in the appropriate directories.

Once you have the configuration files in place, execute 

a2ensite $sitename$ 

and then reload Apache

/etc/init.d/apache2 reload

Hope this helps,

Matt.

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Re: Why Red Hat is the "business" distro

2008-03-18 Thread Matthew Macdonald-Wallace
On Mon, 17 Mar 2008 20:43:01 -0500
Nate Bargmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Perhaps it is something uniquely American, but the key to
> understanding Ron's association is the wine tasting example given in
> the article.  As mentioned earlier in the thread, the sex scandal
> mentioned only guaranteed more people would read the article.

I understood it and I'm English.  I resent the assumption that only
Americans can see the point and demand that the colonials surrender to
the Imperial Forces of the British Empire immediately... :oP

On a more serious note, I come up against this all the time, although
the main question I'm asked is "I can see it's really good and that it
works really well, I can see that it will save me a lot of money in the
short and long-term, but where does Linux make it's money?" (queue long
conversation about the fact that "Linux" is not a single company, it
doesn't make money, it has no need to make money, it just exists and is
worked on by many people across the globe who make money on the back of
knowing how it works and supporting it).

When I was selling websites, I would say "all the software it runs on
is free, and the site design is £500".  People didn't buy it.  As soon
as I said, "We can build you a website and host it for £500 with a
monthly fee of £25, we couldn't sell things fast enough.

meh.

Matt.

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Re: 4.0R3 SATA support (or lack thereof)

2008-03-10 Thread Matthew Macdonald-Wallace
On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 09:40:46 -0400
Peter Feigl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi. I tried to install Debian 4.0R3 on an Acer M1610 machine and the 
> sata_sis driver ignores the HDD, prohibiting installation. SUSE linux 
> sata_sis works fine but SAX2 wrecks the video beyond all hope. How
> can I get Debian to recognize my sata HDD?
> 

We've had a few issues with SATA not being recognised on the newer
Shuttle machines.

Our fix is as follows:

   * Install Debian Etch onto an IDE drive.
   * Download the kernel sources from kernel.org and use the debian
 kernel tools to compile it.
   * Install the new kernel
   * Reboot into the new system and check that the SATA HDD is picked
 up as well as the IDE one.
   * Copy the entire file system over to the SATA HDD via a live CD
 that recognises the SATA Driver
   * Power off, remove the IDE Drive and boot into (hopefully) your new
 SATA system

This is possibly my only complaint about Debian, we're still stuck on
an "old" kernel which doesn't support the newer hardware.

Before people start Flaming about the above, Debian is a fantastic
distro.  The stability is excellent, however having to wait up to eight
months [0] for a version of the Kernel that is out and running on other
systems at the moment can be a bit of a pain some times! :o)

Cheers,

M.

[0] That's what I've been quoted as a possible for 2.6.24, not sure how
accurate that is.
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Re: Best Distro for the consumers market ??

2008-03-03 Thread Matthew Macdonald-Wallace
On Sun, 02 Mar 2008 17:58:47 +0530
Bipin Babu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> However there is something I came across few months back and is quite
> close to being called my second favorite desktop distribution
> (nothing like Debian) and in my opinion probably might get the buy-in
> of the so called 'consumer' market.Mint (http://linuxmint.com/).

If memory serves, Mint is based on Ubuntu but doesn't care about the
"freedom" side of things so therefore it works really well for
end-users...

/me dons flame-proof jacket and grabs a large troll-gun... ;o)

Cheers,

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Re: [SOLVED]Re: Programs for bluetooth

2008-02-29 Thread Matthew Macdonald-Wallace
On Fri, 29 Feb 2008 15:49:10 +
Andrius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Matthew Macdonald-Wallace wrote:
> > On Fri, 29 Feb 2008 15:34:50 +
> > Andrius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> >> Andrius wrote:
> >>> Hi lads,
> >>>
> >>> any advices what to use for connection with phone via bluetooth
> >>> please?
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>>
> >>> Andrius
> >>>
> >>>
> >> Find myself.
> >>
> >> Andrius
> > 
> > 
> > Can you list them here for us? It means that future google searches
> > may flag up this thread form the archives.
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > 
> > M.
> 
> Here we go - kbtobexclient - Bluetooth OBEX client.
> Version for KDE. For Gnome name of file is a little bit different.
> It is a push client. How to receive files from mobile still do not
> know.

Fantastic, thanks for that.

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Re: [SOLVED]Re: Programs for bluetooth

2008-02-29 Thread Matthew Macdonald-Wallace
On Fri, 29 Feb 2008 15:34:50 +
Andrius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Andrius wrote:
> > Hi lads,
> > 
> > any advices what to use for connection with phone via bluetooth
> > please?
> > 
> > Regards,
> > 
> > Andrius
> > 
> > 
> 
> Find myself.
> 
> Andrius


Can you list them here for us? It means that future google searches may
flag up this thread form the archives.

Thanks,

M.
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Re: Help for a newbie SSH and Aptitude

2008-02-29 Thread Matthew Macdonald-Wallace
On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 17:20:41 -0800 (PST)
Steve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Other problem that I'm getting is if I run aptitude or dselect, I get
> a time out when trying to connect to mirror.pacific.net.au.  It shows
> an IP address of 1.0.0.0 which would suggest to me a problem with
> named, however if I ping it, all is fine.

I had this about a year ago on a debian-based system
(running plutohome.org).  It turned out to be an IPv6 issue.

What the issue was, I'm not too sure, however blacklisting the IPv6
kernel module (as shown below) appeared to resolve the issue.

I know that this isn't a perfect fix, however as I don't use IPv6 at
the moment, it worked!

To blacklist the module, start a terminal session (Gnome ==
Applications > Accessories > Terminal) then type the following:

$ su -
Password: 
# echo "ipv6" >> /etc/modules.d/blacklist
# quit
$ quit

Then reboot the system.

That should work, although I don't have a system at hand to test it!

Cheers,

M.
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Re: Best Distro for the consumers market ??

2008-02-28 Thread Matthew Macdonald-Wallace
On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 14:52:49 +0100
stephane lepain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I have been reading couple of posts talking about different kind of 
> distros, but what would you guys suggest as the best distro for the 
> consumers market? There would be a need of stability and reliability.
> Of course, it would have to be easy to use for the end users.
> As a complete newbie to IT and Linux, I have tested Mandriva 2008, 
> Ubuntu, and now Debian etch and testing. I found Debian testing the
> best of all: etch being not very compatible with new hardware and
> software. Testing on the other hand is the most up to date distro,
> fairely compatible with newest technologie (software and hardware
> from the consumers market) and quite easy to maintain.
> Yet, i would suppose that my opinion is quite biased and what I could 
> suggest as the best distro for the consumers market might not be the 
> case. So I would appreciate if you guys could give me your opinions.
> 
> Thank you all
> 
> PS: I tested all those distros on a AMD64 3800+

Ubuntu.

Why? Because it works.  

Consumers don't care about freedom.  If they did, they're all be using
FOSS on the desktop right now and MS would go bust within days.
Consumers want a product that allows them to access YouTube, the BBC
and bittorrent/kazaa/ with minimal (possibly
0!) effort.

If I buy a laptop for my Dad or any other relative, I expect it to work
out of the box without any questions.  The new Dell Ubuntu-based
laptops do this. My Dad (and indeed probably 98% of consumers) doesn't
need anything more than a word processor, an email client and a web
browser.  OpenOffice, Firefox and Thunderbird do this very nicely.

Personally it's my belief that if you want a stable OS that you can
rely on for servers/corporate desktops, use Debian/Gentoo/RHEL/SuSE.
If you want a desktop that has the software you need for a Personal
Computer, use Ubuntu.

My £0.02,

M.
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Re: Custom Kernels and 2.6.24

2008-02-27 Thread Matthew Macdonald-Wallace
On Wed, 27 Feb 2008 08:37:11 -0800
Alan Ianson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I have read that there will be an "etch and a  half" release that
> will include the 2.6.24 kernel (if it proves reliable). It is planned
> for etch r4, we are at r2 now so it looks to me that it will be some
> time yet before it is ready. My guess is 8 months or so, the key word
> there being guess.. :)
> 
> Better info is here..
> 
> http://wiki.debian.org/EtchAndAHalf

Thanks, I'll keep an eye on that site.

Regards,

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Re: Custom Kernels and 2.6.24

2008-02-27 Thread Matthew Macdonald-Wallace
On Wed, 27 Feb 2008 20:56:05 +0530
Kushal Kumaran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Wed, 27 Feb 2008 13:25:24 +
> Matthew Macdonald-Wallace <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Hi All,
> > 
> > A while back there was an announcement that debian would be
> > "updating" to kernel 2.6.24, however I've not heard anything since!
> > 
> > I've got a number of systems that for various reasons (mainly
> > hardware-based) are running a custom 2.6.24 kernel.  Obviously I'd
> > like to make them "official", does anyone know of a potential
> > release data for this kernel version?
> > 
> 
> The 2.6.24 packages are in sid already.  See
> http://packages.debian.org/linux-image-2.6.24

Thanks for the heads-up, however I'm slightly^H^H^H^H^H _incredibly_
nervous about running something that is titled "unstable" on a
production system, hence the original question.

I guess I should have stated that I'm running Etch.

Cheers

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Re: debian vs centos as server

2008-02-27 Thread Matthew Macdonald-Wallace
On Wed, 27 Feb 2008 10:13:13 +
Tzafrir Cohen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 06:38:18AM +0530, Raj Kiran Grandhi wrote:
> > hhding wrote:
> > >why debian?
> > >why centos?
> > >
> > >It seems same to me, and current we run debian as server.
> > >But managers want run centos instead.
> > >
> > 
> > If you are using some proprietary software that is supported on
> > RHEL (or Centos) and not on Debian, and you depend on that support.
> > 
> > Can't think of any other reasons. We run a couple of proprietary 
> > applications at work that are only supported on RHEL. I have had no 
> > problem running them on Debian Etch. YMMV.
> 
> Right. But then again, that software is probably not certified to work
> on CentOS. It's certified to run on RHEL. CentOS is not RHEL, even
> though it is based on its code and it is pretty close.
> 

AIUI, wasn't the codebase just run through sed and all instances of
RHEL switched to CENTOS? :oP



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Custom Kernels and 2.6.24

2008-02-27 Thread Matthew Macdonald-Wallace
Hi All,

A while back there was an announcement that debian would be "updating"
to kernel 2.6.24, however I've not heard anything since!

I've got a number of systems that for various reasons (mainly
hardware-based) are running a custom 2.6.24 kernel.  Obviously I'd like
to make them "official", does anyone know of a potential release data
for this kernel version?

Thanks in advance,

Matt.
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Re: Firewall suggestions?

2008-02-13 Thread Matthew Macdonald-Wallace
On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 15:45:48 +
Matthew Macdonald-Wallace <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 09:27:56 -0600
> "Dennis G. Wicks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Greetings!
> > 
> > It seems the time has come to build a dedicated
> > firewall machine for myself. The win 2k machine I have
> > been using is getting too flaky.
> > 
> > I have a P-II HP box that was a pretty solid performer
> > that I think will do for the hardware. (Agree/disagree?)
> > 
> > I need some suggestions for the firewall software,
> > running on Debian, of course! No sense reinventing the
> > wheel.
> > 
> > I need something that either includes http/ftp proxy or
> > something else that will provide that service. Also
> > socks 4/5 and probably a virus/adware scanner too.
> > 
> > Thanks for any suggestions and/or pointers to recent
> > resources on the subject!
> 
> Shorewall all the way!!! :O)
> 
> www.shorewall.net - its as easy or as difficult as you want to make
> it!
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> M.

Sorry, didn't read the full post:

Proxy == Squid
Virus == ClamAV/Amavisd
Ad-aware/content filtering == dansguardian

I'd recommend the PII has two network interfaces in it, a "RED" for the
internet connection and a "GREEN" for the LAN.  If you're going to run
your own Mail/DNS servers, you could add a third interface as an
"AMBER" for a De-Militarised Zone (DMZ) and put the public facing
servers on that net segment.

HTH,

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Re: Firewall suggestions?

2008-02-13 Thread Matthew Macdonald-Wallace
On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 09:27:56 -0600
"Dennis G. Wicks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Greetings!
> 
> It seems the time has come to build a dedicated
> firewall machine for myself. The win 2k machine I have
> been using is getting too flaky.
> 
> I have a P-II HP box that was a pretty solid performer
> that I think will do for the hardware. (Agree/disagree?)
> 
> I need some suggestions for the firewall software,
> running on Debian, of course! No sense reinventing the
> wheel.
> 
> I need something that either includes http/ftp proxy or
> something else that will provide that service. Also
> socks 4/5 and probably a virus/adware scanner too.
> 
> Thanks for any suggestions and/or pointers to recent
> resources on the subject!

Shorewall all the way!!! :O)

www.shorewall.net - its as easy or as difficult as you want to make it!

Cheers,

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Re: Strange /usr/bin file

2008-02-11 Thread Matthew Macdonald-Wallace
On Mon, 11 Feb 2008 10:19:49 -0500
"Douglas A. Tutty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> This should be in an FAQ somewhere.  I see it about once a year.
> Presumably the OP has just started in Lenny or he would have seen it
> in Etch, Sarge, Woody, Potato...  Probably back to either 4.3 BSD or
> the origional UNIX.

I guess it just depends on whether you need to use it or not.  I've
been using Linux of various flavours for about seven years and never
even noticed this command before this post! :o)

Ah well...

/me wonders just how much more he has to learn before he thinks that he
knows a reasonable amount about Linux...

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Re: Strange /usr/bin file

2008-02-11 Thread Matthew Macdonald-Wallace
On Mon, 11 Feb 2008 10:22:21 +0100
"Mirco Piccin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi all.
> I find in my Debian Lenny machine this file, in /usr/bin folder:
> 
> -rwxr-xr-x  1 root   root   34504 2008-01-29 04:03 [
> 
> Who created this file? What does it do?
> 
> Thanks for any reply
> 
> Regards
> M

What does 

# file \[

produce?  Is it a script or a binary?

M.

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