Re: Why do xorg developers hate gamers and use that stupid mouse acceleration to anger them?
Dirk wrote: I have to run xset m 0 0 everytime i start a game that uses mouse and in between... Why does that useless/stupid mouse acceleration enable itself again and interfere? It renders having a expensive mouse pretty much worthless. How can i disable it permanently? Right now I have made a cronjob of it that disables X's mouse acceleration every minute... it sucks :C Sometimes it enables itself with different acceleration... it's like bad magic... I recommend removing desktop mouse acceleration from xorg completely... nobody needs it and it makes Linux a lousy operating system for serious gaming.. Dirk Then why don't you quit your whining and code it out yourself. You get what you pay for. Michael -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: finally got lenny installed
Robin wrote: On 27/02/2008, *Daniel Burrows* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 10:33:45AM +, Robin [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] was heard to say: Why should you have to mark all the packages you want to keep? It is the wrong way round from a user perspective. Because they were originally installed as a dependency of another package. aptitude has no way to know that gnome-desktop (eg) is a fake package whose dependencies should be kept on if it gets removed, so if you want to get automatic removal of unused packages, you end up with situations like this. If you don't care about this feature, you can turn it off under Options/Dependency Handling by disabling Remove unused packages automatically, or add Aptitude::Delete-Unused false; to /etc/apt/apt.conf. Daniel I know why it does it, what I'm saying is the default behaviour is wrong. A user new to debian/aptitude is unlikely to understand that it is a configuration option that needs to be turned off, whereas a more experienced/technical user is more likely to have the knowledge to turn the option on. -- rob http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/team/viewTeamInfo.do?teamId=82BS4ZCMFR1 Then you need to post on [EMAIL PROTECTED] Personally I like the way aptitude acts by default. It seems to keep the orphans under control. Michael -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: apt is killing my machine
Ron Johnson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/20/08 08:19, Owen Townend wrote: On 2/21/08, *Zach* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] My machine is a P3/700MHz. Zach Hey, This doesn't sound normal at all, for comparison I have: (Reading database ... 137921 files and directories currently installed.) This takes about 15-20 seconds to read on a 2GHz/2GB RAM though it It's absurd to compare a modern machine like yours to an almost- antique like his. does thrash the HDD. I use 'atop' to look at the hdd usage amongst other things. With the right kernel patches it can show live disk and network usage per process. It's basically a root run, binary logging 'top' with more features. - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA PETA - People Eating Tasty Animals -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHvDnmS9HxQb37XmcRApv5AKCUJDHxm3f/dp9H4Lr7yFbECurRjwCeN8L2 38CCZGAacraP/nVTB9HrvXw= =D7U6 -END PGP SIGNATURE- I agree. The key is PIII 700MHz and then the line: It then proceeded: 316137 files and directories currently installed.) If you have, but do not need, updates from src repositories, edit /etc/apt/sources.list accordingly. This may help a little. Michael -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: building custom package
Christian wrote: Hi, I am trying to build a custom zenoss package (http://www.zenoss.com/). I made a DEBIAN directory which contains control file and pre / post scripts, and the directory /usr/local/zenoss with all the files. However when trying to install get the following error : package control info rmdir of `usr' didn't say not a dir: Directory not empty Errors were encountered while processing: anybody know what's that supposed to mean (googled everything) From ~/src/zenoss-2.1.2/docs/INSTALL_DEB.txt Zenoss Debian Packages (deb) Installation Instructions Debian users must use the source code based installation process to install Zenoss. There currently are not .deb packages available, but we do plan to create them in the future. If you would like to raise the priority of providing .deb packages please feel free to email us on the zenoss-users mailing list. Overview: Manual Installation In the future Zenoss will provide .deb packages for system administrators to install. Until that time you will have to follow a source based installation procedure outlined for your specific distribution version. Overview: Automated Installation There currently are not any automated installers prepared for Debian based systems. They will most likely be provided after the .deb packages are created. Please check back here often to see the status on the automated installers and .deb packages. And from INSTALL.txt in the root directory of the unpacked distribution, It tells you to use the install.sh script after setting up your environment properly. There will probably be a DESTDIR directive you can give make install if you do not want it in /usr/local. Michael -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New User
Byron Watkins wrote: Hi, I am trying to ween myself from Windows. A couple of months ago I installed Debian on my new amd64 box and I am generally quite impressed by the amalgam. There are a few items that I have been unable to address satisfactorily, however. First, I am a programmer in one of my hobby lives. I love C and C++ and I have installed the gcc and g++ packages on my new box. I have not yet found a good integrated developer environment, however. About the only thing good about Windows, in my opinion, is their Visual C++. For Gnome; http://anjuta.sourceforge.net/downloads For KDE; http://trolltech.com/products/qt I am assuming that you are on Debian so the Gnome or KDE development packages are available to you and quite feature full. I believe that the Eclipse suite; http://www.eclipse.org/ with 'language IDE's' allows you to develop in C and C++ as well as Java. In fact if you can get Java, the tools, and the Eclipse suite installed and setup properly from either distribution specific packages or generic binaries ( Sun tar.gz files), you'll learn a lot about Linux along the way. Second, I am an electrical engineer, so I would like to get closer to the hardware. In order to do so, it would be nice to find a tutorial explaining the standard ways Linux implements plug and play, hardware access permissions, and communication between hardware and applications. Third, I would like to find a good book to teach me how to accept and to process mouse, keyboard, graphics tablet, etc. input and how to generate and to operate the graphical windows used in Debian. I understand that the Gnome and/or KDE interfaces are available and it would be nice to know what the differences, similarities, and compatibility issues are from the programmer's perspective. I think I am using Gnome, so my first priority is programming for Gnome, but if I can program for both, even better. Any recommended literature and relevant references and/or urls are quite welcome and will be appreciated. Byron Watkins Books; http://www.oreilly.com/ Debian provides copious amounts of documentation in .txt, .info, .html, .pdf, .ps forms among others. Scan /usr/share/doc or do something like $man gcc $man info $info flex A lot of docs are available as .html and thus viewable by your browser. Hope this gets you started. Michael -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Etch installation media doesn't boot (neither NETINST CD, nor floppies), but other distros do... :-(
Douglas A. Tutty wrote: On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 10:24:36PM -0900, Siraaj Khandkar wrote: I wanted to install a minimum Debian system on an old Dell PowerEdge 350 server, but the NETINST CD is just ignored by the system (yes, the boot order is correct :-) ), so I tried floppies, but those too are ignored (I can hear it click as the system tries to read it on boot, but it then proceeds to boot off the HD). The exact same Debian CD that failed to boot on PE350, worked just fine on PE1850's, as well as a bunch of other, older Compaq ProLiant servers (ML350's and 370's), as well as my HP laptop. I tried booting off Ubuntu 6.06 CD and it worked just fine, I tried booting RHEL 4 CDs, and it too worked just fine on that PE350. Tell us what a dell PowerEdge computer is. At least 486 with 64 MB ram? If the same CD will boot other computers but not this dell, then there's obviously a problem with the Dell. I really have no idea what, but there must be something different about Debian installation media. Can you guys enlighten me on what is going on here? Any ideas on how to get Debian on that damn thing. If it is something about support for older systems being dropped in Etch, perhaps I can use an older release for installation, and then apt-get dist-upgrade? What do you guys think? I have a 486 that couldn't boot the Sarge installer so whenever I'd have to change drives or something, I'd run the woody installer and just do the basedebs (as long as I had another box to dialup the internet, if not I'd install ppp and pppconfig too). Then I'd install aptitude then upgrade from there. This stopped working when the box couldn't upgrade from Sarge to Etch because libc6 kept killing itself. I did the drive shell-game from another computer to get Etch on it only to find out that etch was way to slow to be useful. So now on the old box I use OpenBSD and it is quite zippy again. The ultimate answer for you will likely be to read the installation manual then subscribe to debian-boot list, then send in a (failed) installation report. Great help will be forthcoming from people who know what may be going on with the installer, on the debian-boot list. A quick check for the ability of the box to boot a modern free OS would be to download the OpenBSD install floppy (read their on-line FAQ so you know what image file to use), then verify that it will boot. If your Dell has a unix-type OS on it, you could use the debootstrap install method from the installation manual. If debain-boot can't help you get the box booting, yet the OpenBSD floppy will boot, you may be able to boot the OBSD floppy, go to a shell, use the OBSD fdisk to format the drive, then put a copy of the hd-media debian boot stuff somewhere, use a grub-disk and boot that. (Grub disk is a debian package that contains the image of a grub floopy with which you can boot anything). If this doesn't work, use the OBSD floppy, get the debootstrap script somewhere useful (see the docs and man page) then use debootstrap to give you a minimal Etch system. Remember to have debootstrap include a kernel since you'll be running OBSD for deboostrap. Anyway, those are some ideas. Good luck. Doug. Optiplex's have had issues with BIOS incompatibilities (same way with some Compaq Proliant's). This could be the problem with your Poweredge. From the Debian boot F1 menu select 'boot parameters for special machines' and read the help. You may need a switch such as 'acpi=off' or 'pci=nomsi'. In other words; #boot acpi=off or, #boot pci=nomsi You may have to use an install CD with a different kernel version; http://forum.soft32.com/linux/Altix-350-Debian-setup-boot-ftopict429147.html After you get it to boot, you may have other problems such as, http://lists.us.dell.com/pipermail/linux-poweredge/2006-January/024351.htm http://lists.us.dell.com/pipermail/linux-poweredge/2005-August/022133.html I do not know if there is an archived BIOS update at Dell for your hardware, but this may be necessary as well. Dell and HP have claimed Linux compatibility over the years. Their statements are somewhat optimisitic. Michael -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Etch installation media doesn't boot (neither NETINST CD, nor floppies), but other distros do... :-(
Kushal Kumaran wrote: On Sat, 16 Feb 2008 18:29:30 -0900 Siraaj Khandkar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 16 Feb 2008, at 05:10, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: snip If your Dell has a unix-type OS on it, you could use the debootstrap install method from the installation manual. It currently runs Red Hat 7.1, but the trouble is that now that it has been decommissioned for over a year - no one remembers the root password to it anymore :-( For red hat boxes that old, you can boot them in single user mode without it asking for a password. snip A while back I struggled to get Debian installed on the Dell Optiplex I am using right now. It's a P4 2.8 GhZ machine. The issue was not that the Netinst CD wouldn't boot, it was that neither Grub nor Lilo would install to the MBR. RedHat Fedora Core 6 worked without a hitch, but I did not want that distribution. I ended up installing Lilo manually from a GParted CD after mounting the Hard Drive. I was then able to use the Etch Netinst CD to install Debian. Further back in time, I had difficulty installing any number of *nixes on 2 Compaq Proliant P III 200 SMP systems. Debian, OpenSolaris, FreeBSD, and Ubuntu, among others, failed to get through the whole installation routine without problems. Once again Red Hat Fedora Core 5 installed without any problems. I put it on LVM too! I ran them that way for 2 years before trying Debian again. Once again I had to manually install the bootloader (Grub). I posted to this list recently that I was able to get Grub2 installed on this Dell but once again, I did it manually after booting from a Netinst CD in rescue mode. I know you said it would be nice if you could get a Debian CD to boot. I was just trying to give you some background I've had with legacy, server-class hardware. Some issues I've had with the type of hardware you are describing; Bad CD media (this has gotten me several times. Cant't recall if you said you tried to burn another CD) Bad ram (Memtest found bad memory on the Proliants even though the installer didn't complain. This stopped the next boot) Improper Bios settings. (the Bios settings are somewhat convoluted on these machines and there might be something in there you need to adjust,especially if you have RAID hardware) How's your attitude? Bad things can happen if your Chi is out of balance.:) Depending on your comfort level, I would attempt to upgrade the Red Hat installation, get the machine back, (new root password) then try any number of work arounds to get Debian installed if your heart is absolutely set on it. Michael -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] beefy steel cases
Andrew Sackville-West wrote: On Sun, Feb 10, 2008 at 08:49:42PM +, Michael D. Norwick wrote: ... Please forgive my boldness and ignorance, but after watching this thread for days now, I fail to get a sense of how it has anything to do with Debian. Doug is a regular contributor to this list who asked for help in an [OT] thread. I don't think any of use see a problem with this. And compared to some of the OT flamefests we get, this is downright boring ;-) ... But, I guess any disturbance I've had about Off-Topic posts has now been negated by the fact that I've just contributed to one. meh. we all do it from time to time. cheers A Thank you for your kindness and counsel. Michael -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] beefy steel cases
Douglas A. Tutty wrote: In perusing non-propriatary (not IBM, HP, Dell, etc) high quality cases, the SuperMicro brand has come up a lot. Based on what I've been learning about EMF shielding, the case in which my Athlon64 is house is inadequate (too many grills insolated with bits of plastic from the surounding case, aluminum instead of steel, etc). I'm wondering about a SuperMicro case for the Athlon64. Does anyone have any experience with them? Are they steel? Does steel back up any plastic trim pieces? On hot-swap trays (in case I find a used one), is there metal between the drive and the front latch handle? Is the drive bay door metal or plastic? Have you had good experince with SuperMicro? Thanks, Doug. Please forgive my boldness and ignorance, but after watching this thread for days now, I fail to get a sense of how it has anything to do with Debian. Having some experience with Rf, EMI and any other acronym you care to apply to the physics of your problem, it appears that; 1. You've yet to find the exact root cause of your wife's discomfort. 2. You are, IMHO, trying to make a Cessna 150 fly like an F18. 3. You are trying to come up with a shade tree (backyard type) solution to a government financed problem (think $$$ or €€€). Analyzing the root cause. http://www.grove-ent.com/alphalab.html http://www.nelco-usa.com/ A number of industrial solutions. http://www.emccomponent.com/products/?gclid=CJuy4ryDu5ECFSQpIgod7DtwOA http://www.tech-etch.com/shield/index.html http://www.freepatentsonline.com/6411522.html But, I guess any disturbance I've had about Off-Topic posts has now been negated by the fact that I've just contributed to one. Short of living in an (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anechoic_chamber), I can't see an easy solution to your desire for performance/useability, and effectiveness, without some 'ching'. I do my best to stretch a quarter into a dollar also. But, some solutions just take cash (or Visa, if you prefer:)). Other problems may never find a solution. Can your wife shop a Wal-Mart with their standardization on RFID tags? We live in a wireless world in which data transmission (and soon power) via wireless devices has become the standard. Add to this the fact that we are pumping more Megawatts over High Tension transmission lines than ever before. Cell phones are probably to surpass landlines in usage in the near future, The spectrum gets more crowded (and valuable) every day. Makes it kind of tough on sensitive humans, Canadian geese or earthworms. Michael -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Grub Boot Error on Lenny
Raj Kiran Grandhi wrote: Schiz0 wrote: I have Lenny running on a laptop. I selected to use grub version 2 when it prompted me (back when I first installed grub). I just now updated my apt sources and ran a upgrade. It upgraded the grub package, and I rebooted. Now, after the bios tests, the text Grub loading kernel flashes up for about a second. Then I get an endless flood of the text invalid command or something like that (it scrolls by way too fast). How can I fix this? Please post your menu.lst file Alternatively, replace the menu.lst file with an example file after making the appropriate changes specific to your system. Please see the post I just made entitled Re: Success: Grub2 on Dell Optiplex. #/etc/grub-install /dev/hda and #/etc/update-grub from a Debian boot CD. Michael -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: SUCCESS: Grub2 on Dell Optiplex GX270
Michael D. Norwick wrote: To whom it may concern; Machine :Dell Optiplex 270 server Intel P4 2.8GHz (non HT) 1G PC2700 Memory Onboard Intel Gb ethernet adapter Onboard Intel Extreme 8x AGP graphics controller 40 G Western Digital Harddrive OS's: Debian kernel image 2.6.22-2 Debian kernel image 2.6.22-3 Win XP Pro SP3 Reason: Trying to build and install Xen 3.2.1 as a replacement for the Debian kernel images above. Successfully used the current GParted boot CD to re-partition the disk to 13 G for WinXP and 27 G for some Linux variant (using Ext3). While trying to install Debian stable from either the current Debian Netinst or the full stable CD's, Grub and Lilo would not install to the MBR. It appears that some Dell bios or ACPI issue prevents this, Thus, the workaround. I was able to install Lilo from a boot CD to get both OS's to boot, then, installed the Debian current Lilo package once the installation was complete and I booted into the new Linux installation. I wanted to test the current XEN kernels either from a Debian package or Xensource package but found from the requirements that XEN needs grub not Lilo. I decided to try Grub2 from the Lenny distribution (which I am currently on) and all stages installed successfully. A config file edit(add) for chainloading Windows was required in /etc/grub.d to get grub-update to see the Win XP installation. I have yet to do the 'make install' of the XEN enabled kernel I was finally able to build. That will be the next step when I verify I have all the elements for success (Ive got to build an initrd for one). Michael Original subject line changed due to stupid spelling error. A 'heads up' on problems with Grub2_1.96+20080203-1_i386. On 2/06/08 noted that Grub2 1.96 was available for Debian testing. I performed an update and upgrade from within aptitude. All packages appeared to install normally. It was a large update so I elected to reboot. When the machine came up the 'Welcome to Grub' message line flashed for a moment, it then went into an infinite loop with the following error; 'Syntax error' 'Incorrect command' Ctrl-Alt-Del rebooted the machine. I booted from Debian Netinst 4.0r2 and entered rescue mode. I manually mounted the partitions for / and /usr (I do not have a separate boot partition). I scanned the files in /boot/grub and /etc/grub.d and noted a new file /etc/grub.d/05_debian_theme. Thinking this is where the syntax error was coming from I moved it to a new name. I issued #update-grub I rebooted the machine and was again greeted with the same error. I appended a message to bug #21865 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] and received the reply that this had been reported and fixed and I should have issued; #grub-install then #update-grub I booted and mounted partitions / and /usr from the Netinst CD in rescue mode. I then issued. #/etc/grub-install /dev/hda and #/etc/update-grub and the system came up after rebooting. Grub2 appears worthwhile and I am glad it works on this persnickity Dell. I hope this helps someone. Thank You Developers Michael PS Also got Xen 3.2 compiled and installed. Haven't got /boot/grub.cfg correct yet. I have to write a script - /etc/grub.d/12_xen. I also have to figure out how to package it, buy more ram, go ice fishing. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
SUCESS: Grub2 on Dell Opteron GX270
To whom it may concern; Machine :Dell Optiplex 270 server Intel P4 2.8GHz (non HT) 1G PC2700 Memory Onboard Intel Gb ethernet adapter Onboard Intel Extreme 8x AGP graphics controller 40 G Western Digital Harddrive OS's: Debian kernel image 2.6.22-2 Debian kernel image 2.6.22-3 Win XP Pro SP3 Reason: Trying to build and install Xen 3.2.1 as a replacement for the Debian kernel images above. Successfully used the current GParted boot CD to re-partition the disk to 13 G for WinXP and 27 G for some Linux variant (using Ext3). While trying to install Debian stable from either the current Debian Netinst or the full stable CD's, Grub and Lilo would not install to the MBR. It appears that some Dell bios or ACPI issue prevents this, Thus, the workaround. I was able to install Lilo from a boot CD to get both OS's to boot, then, installed the Debian current Lilo package once the installation was complete and I booted into the new Linux installation. I wanted to test the current XEN kernels either from a Debian package or Xensource package but found from the requirements that XEN needs grub not Lilo. I decided to try Grub2 from the Lenny distribution (which I am currently on) and all stages installed successfully. A config file edit(add) for chainloading Windows was required in /etc/grub.d to get grub-update to see the Win XP installation. I have yet to do the 'make install' of the XEN enabled kernel I was finally able to build. That will be the next step when I verify I have all the elements for success (Ive got to build an initrd for one). Michael -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Getting started with Xen -- Xen enabled kernel for Lenny?
Michael D. Norwick wrote: Michael D. Norwick wrote: Rick Thomas wrote: I'm trying to get started with Xen. Still trying to build a Xen kernel with or without the dfsg. Found this though; http://help.lockergnome.com/linux/build-XEN-make-kpkg-ftopict384180.html Michael Still trying to compile a XEN enabled kernel and got somewhat farther. Taking hints from a blog on building xen 3.2 specifically I found http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/research/srg/netos/xen/readmes/hg-cheatsheet.txt Unfortunately, I did not bookmark the initial page that linked to the mercurial cheatsheet above. It essentially said that the xen 3.2 stable source build was broken and that in order to get it to build correctly it recommended downloading the whole 'testing' repository source tree using the command; $ hg clone http://xenbits.xensource.com/xen-3.2-testing.hg I wondered where hg was (I knew it was the symbol for mercury) as I did not have that particular program installed. It turns out that the xen project uses mercurial as a revision control system and that program needed to be installed in order to clone the project source tree. Now I have cvs, subversion AND mercurial. Using; $ sudo apt-get install mercurial brought in mercurial along with python 2.5 and friends. I was then able to run the hg command and download the 'testing (3.2.1)' source tree. I thought I had all the tools necessary to build xen a week ago but, apparently not. The build is running now and I can relate the rest of the story if anyone is interested. I would also like to try 'make world' on the xen-3.2 directory to see if I just needed tools which were not spelled out in the 'README'. I've used up a lot of bandwidth (sorry!) at kernel.org getting linux 2.6.18 several times and still will need to resolve; 1. The kernel xen-3.2 uses, appears to be set at linux-2.6.18 and trying to use a more recent kernel version appears troublesome. 2. Building distribution packages are documented on RedHat, Ubuntu, and CentOS, but debian will require some study (and I don't know if I care about running xen from a .deb). Michael -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Getting started with Xen -- Xen enabled kernel for Lenny?
Michael D. Norwick wrote: Rick Thomas wrote: I'm trying to get started with Xen. Thanks! Rick I don't know if you've been here: http://www.howtoforge.com/perfect_setup_xen3_debian, but, I too am trying to build a XEN enabled kernel using linux 2.6.23.9. This link looked straightforward and possible. I have not gotten to the point of patching the kernel for XEN. I was also trying to add current support for NFSv4 and GRSecurity so it's a bit jumbled right now (a lot of rejects). Building for a Pentium 4 3.2 GHz. Dell system. A search of debian-kernel did not return anything useful IMHO. Michael Still trying to build a Xen kernel with or without the dfsg. Found this though; http://help.lockergnome.com/linux/build-XEN-make-kpkg-ftopict384180.html Michael -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Symple method to transfer some packages from Desktop system to laptop Debian Etch system?
Ron Johnson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 01/27/08 15:48, Csányi Pál wrote: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 15:45:54 -0500 keltezéssel Douglas A. Tutty azt írta: On Sun, Jan 27, 2008 at 12:10:23AM -0500, Celejar wrote: On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 18:29:00 -0600 Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 01/26/08 18:21, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: On Sun, Jan 27, 2008 at 01:12:39AM +0100, Paul Csanyi wrote: ... For now, ignore it. - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA I'm not a vegetarian because I love animals, I'm a vegetarian because I hate vegetables! unknown -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHnSS9S9HxQb37XmcRArBpAJ9It35rbmbz9Skv4TWeBzJrj0FtWQCg4Pnm lbB6SwaVbAaZEXMScki1cTk= =GTai -END PGP SIGNATURE- http://wiki.debian.org/SecureApt Quote: 'Note that you can disable these checks by running apt with --allow-unauthenticated.' Michael -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Getting started with Xen -- Xen enabled kernel for Lenny?
Rick Thomas wrote: I'm trying to get started with Xen. Thanks! Rick I don't know if you've been here: http://www.howtoforge.com/perfect_setup_xen3_debian, but, I too am trying to build a XEN enabled kernel using linux 2.6.23.9. This link looked straightforward and possible. I have not gotten to the point of patching the kernel for XEN. I was also trying to add current support for NFSv4 and GRSecurity so it's a bit jumbled right now (a lot of rejects). Building for a Pentium 4 3.2 GHz. Dell system. A search of debian-kernel did not return anything useful IMHO. Michael -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: wlan in etch
Marcelo Chiapparini wrote: On Sun, 2008-01-20 at 21:17 +, Kalessin wrote: Marcelo Chiapparini wrote: Hi, thank you very much for your advice. After running dmesg |grep 2200 I got the following output: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ dmesg |grep 2200 ipw2200: Intel(R) PRO/Wireless 2200/2915 Network Driver, 1.1.2kmq ipw2200: Copyright(c) 2003-2006 Intel Corporation ipw2200: Detected Intel PRO/Wireless 2200BG Network Connection ipw2200: ipw2200-bss.fw request_firmware failed: Reason -2 ipw2200: Unable to load firmware: -2 ipw2200: failed to register network device ipw2200: probe of :02:0b.0 failed with error -5 so, the problem seems to be with the firmware. I will go after it and try again... regards Marcelo I did not have the sources for 2.6.18 to look at but attached is the readme from kernel docs in 2.6.23.9 which may give you more insight into the setup for your card. It appears to me that a kernel upgrade or module build may be necessary. Michael Intel(R) PRO/Wireless 2915ABG Driver for Linux in support of: Intel(R) PRO/Wireless 2200BG Network Connection Intel(R) PRO/Wireless 2915ABG Network Connection Note: The Intel(R) PRO/Wireless 2915ABG Driver for Linux and Intel(R) PRO/Wireless 2200BG Driver for Linux is a unified driver that works on both hardware adapters listed above. In this document the Intel(R) PRO/Wireless 2915ABG Driver for Linux will be used to reference the unified driver. Copyright (C) 2004-2006, Intel Corporation README.ipw2200 Version: 1.1.2 Date : March 30, 2006 Index --- 0. IMPORTANT INFORMATION BEFORE USING THIS DRIVER 1. Introduction 1.1. Overview of features 1.2. Module parameters 1.3. Wireless Extension Private Methods 1.4. Sysfs Helper Files 1.5. Supported channels 2. Ad-Hoc Networking 3. Interacting with Wireless Tools 3.1. iwconfig mode 3.2. iwconfig sens 4. About the Version Numbers 5. Firmware installation 6. Support 7. License 0. IMPORTANT INFORMATION BEFORE USING THIS DRIVER --- Important Notice FOR ALL USERS OR DISTRIBUTORS Intel wireless LAN adapters are engineered, manufactured, tested, and quality checked to ensure that they meet all necessary local and governmental regulatory agency requirements for the regions that they are designated and/or marked to ship into. Since wireless LANs are generally unlicensed devices that share spectrum with radars, satellites, and other licensed and unlicensed devices, it is sometimes necessary to dynamically detect, avoid, and limit usage to avoid interference with these devices. In many instances Intel is required to provide test data to prove regional and local compliance to regional and governmental regulations before certification or approval to use the product is granted. Intel's wireless LAN's EEPROM, firmware, and software driver are designed to carefully control parameters that affect radio operation and to ensure electromagnetic compliance (EMC). These parameters include, without limitation, RF power, spectrum usage, channel scanning, and human exposure. For these reasons Intel cannot permit any manipulation by third parties of the software provided in binary format with the wireless WLAN adapters (e.g., the EEPROM and firmware). Furthermore, if you use any patches, utilities, or code with the Intel wireless LAN adapters that have been manipulated by an unauthorized party (i.e., patches, utilities, or code (including open source code modifications) which have not been validated by Intel), (i) you will be solely responsible for ensuring the regulatory compliance of the products, (ii) Intel will bear no liability, under any theory of liability for any issues associated with the modified products, including without limitation, claims under the warranty and/or issues arising from regulatory non-compliance, and (iii) Intel will not provide or be required to assist in providing support to any third parties for such modified products. Note: Many regulatory agencies consider Wireless LAN adapters to be modules, and accordingly, condition system-level regulatory approval upon receipt and review of test data documenting that the antennas and system configuration do not cause the EMC and radio operation to be non-compliant. The drivers available for download from SourceForge are provided as a part of a development project. Conformance to local regulatory requirements is the responsibility of the individual developer. As such, if you are interested in deploying or shipping a driver as part of solution intended to be used for purposes other than development, please obtain a tested driver from Intel Customer Support at: http://support.intel.com/support/notebook/sb/CS-006408.htm 1. Introduction --- The following sections attempt to provide a brief introduction to using the Intel(R) PRO/Wireless 2915ABG Driver for Linux. This
Re: How to use Mutt?
Pantor wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 01/19/08 13:04, Osamu Aoki wrote: On Sat, Jan 19, 2008 at 06:47:49PM +, Pantor wrote: [snip] Maybe Mutt does'nt worth to use at all? I hope not ... Especially for those times when you are rudely reminded why Sid is Unstable, and you are not able use your favorite GUI MUA. (That is, of course, if your email is stored in a non-MUA specific subdirectory. I like imap, since it lets me access my email from any MUA on any machine in the house...) - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA I'm not a vegetarian because I love animals, I'm a vegetarian because I hate vegetables! unknown -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHklykS9HxQb37XmcRAorQAJ90K4heusHepdRwCPMTPtXdN16xWQCdH8T+ 6sto1UTzNl/3vdnAHfF+jes= =dZUt -END PGP SIGNATURE- Right, .muttrc is ready. What's now? $ sudo shutdown -r now wait for windows to boot and double click outlook.exe :) Sometimes some things are just too hard to explain. Michael -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to use Mutt?
Steve Kemp wrote: On Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 15:32:21 +, Michael D. Norwick wrote: Sometimes some things are just too hard to explain. Such as the correct way to trim extraneous content from mails before replying? Yes I agree. Steve Ouch! Wasn't there just some long drawn out thread on 'top posting'? Didn't think I needed advice on newsgroup mail formatting but thanks anyway. Michael -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: POLL: tape backup format and software
Douglas A. Tutty wrote: Could those of you who use tape (DDS, DLT, Ultrium) for backup or archive tell me what format and software you have found most helpful? I only have a couple of boxes to backup. Right now, they each run their own script and create a tarball that then the main box rsyncs to its raid1 array (and the main box rsyncs its most important data (small set) to the other boxes. I'm going to be transitioning to tape for long-term archiving. I could just pass the existing tarballs out to tapes and keep a manual log of what is where. I could use a different format. I could use some other software. Re format: since some things (e.g. CD.iso's to protect existing CDs from scratches) are intended for long-term storage, I would like the file format to be very portable. I know that nobody knows for sure what formats will be able to be read in 20 years, but what would be a good bet (to avoid having to copy the tape just to change formats)? For this reason, I don't want just dump tapes since they're filesystem (and OS?) specific. I don't need the complexity of Amanda or Baccula. I'm not sure I need any complexity at all. Thanks for your POLL results and your feedback. Doug. Don't understand all the bandwidth used in your search for a backup solution. You've been given a number of tape scenarios, cd, and dvd backup. 2 used DLT and DDS drives backup (and restore) all of my everyday stuff using only tar commands (which could be scheduled from a cron job if I wasn't so lazy) http://gentoo-wiki.com/TIP_Backup_using_cron_(simple) I recently downloaded Lone-Tar - http://www.cactus.com/index.php?p=press43. It looks promising and appears worth paying for. CD's take care of anything I feel is REALLY important. http://cd-utils.sourceforge.net/ http://www.linux-backup.net/App/ http://www.willowsoft.com/backup/index.html I've also got more files stored on cheap flash media, than I'll ever be able to figure out what I needed them for. I've got a couple of older laptops with pcmcia slots that still read/write 8 year old media just fine. I'm also looking at a pile of 9 and 12 GB hard drives (formatted ext3) which hold who knows what, but will seek and access as soon as I plug them in to a spare drive case I rigged for testing. So, I've archived to tape (DLT, DDS, floppy tape, Travan) flash, pcmcia media, zip, CD, DVD (usb HP unit), hard disk, and a pile of floppies. All have saved my bacon during new installs gone wrong or utility power interruptions. Tape rules if only for the quantity and efficiency of data storage. Are you archiving for posterity? Michael -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Errors from repositories
http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-9944.html http://wiki.debian.org/SecureApt I get this error quite a lot with http://cs.wisc.edu. Waiting, or doing apt-get update several times seems to straighten it out. I also, out of habit only use the mirrors on the official debian download list. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote; Get:1 http://buckhill stable Release.gpg [378B] Ign http://buckhill testing Release.gpg Michael -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: dhelp issue
On Thu, Oct 11, 2007 at 19:08:03 -0500, Michael D. Norwick wrote: and 'Ignoring nonregistered document qt3-doc' On Fri, Oct 12, 2007 florian kulzer wrote: I am not 100% sure about this one, but it seems harmless to me. Which package is being configured when that message comes up? It came up during an upgrade of the above package. Thank You, michael ps: didn't realize I was on Lenny already. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: dhelp issue
On Thu, Oct 11, 2007 at 19:08:03 -0500, Michael D. Norwick wrote: and 'Ignoring nonregistered document qt3-doc' On Fri, Oct 12, 2007 florian kulzer wrote: I am not 100% sure about this one, but it seems harmless to me. package is being configured when that message comes up? It came up during an upgrade of the above package. Thank You, michael ps: didn't realize I was on Lenny already. Maybe you are not. You mentioned etch testing in your other mail. I assumed you meant Lenny (which is currently in testing stage) because you posted an error message from libdb4.5, a package which does not seem to exist in Etch (a.k.a stable). Maybe you inadvertently created an Etch/Lenny package mix on your system. What output do you get for the following two commands? cat /etc/issue lsb_release -dirc [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ cat /etc/issue Debian GNU/Linux lenny/sid \n \l [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ sudo lsb_release -dirc sudo: lsb_release: command not found Thank You, Michael -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
dhelp issue
Good Day; During recent apt-get upgrades on etch testing, I have been receiving the following warnings(errors?). Can someone please advise me as to what to configure to fix this? '/usr/sbin/dhelp_parse: /usr/lib/libdb-4.5.so: no version information available (required by /usr/sbin/dhelp_parse)' and 'Ignoring nonregistered document qt3-doc' Thank You, Michael -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: local network with twisted rj45
christop wrote: I would need information on how to configure a local network between two computers with only a twested rj45. I have two ethernet cards on each of the two computers I aim to put together. snip http://www.aboutdebian.com/network.htm michael -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: runlevels
Kees de Koster wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], ChadDavis wrote: Yo. I'm installing a nvidia driver, and the script says you must turn off the xserver. In order to this, since I didn't know how, I rebooted into runlevel one. Then the script complains about runlevel one not being enough. Is runlevel one more of a rescure mode than just a non-graphical mode? If so, what runlevel is non-graphical but otherwise full. OR, how do I shutdown the xserver directly? -- I could just boot into runlevel two, switch to a command line login, login and shutdown the xserver from there, couldn't I? Sort me out. You can also try, depending on which loginmanager you are using, # /etc/init.d/gdm stop or # /etc/init.d/kdm stop or so, adjust on you own needs ;-) Kees The first thing 'dude' needs to do is figure out what runlevels, single-user mode, and 'sudo' or 'su to root' are! Michael -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: runlevels
ChadDavis wrote: 'dude' ? is that me? I do know what runlevels, sudo and su are. As snip The first thing 'dude' needs to do is figure out what runlevels, single-user mode, and 'sudo' or 'su to root' are! Michael http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/runlevels.htm. runlevel 1 is single-user mode, not non-gui mode. On a standalone machine, it's useful for (as was explained earlier) fixing configuration files, compiling programs (without the overhead of X), or performing any computationally intensive task which doesn't require X. The power of the command line is the beauty of Unix and Unix-like systems. From; http://aplawrence.com/Basics/sudo.html First a little background. The sudo program itself is a setuid binary. If you examine its permissions, you will see: ---s--x--x1 root root81644 Jan 14 15:36 /usr/bin/sudo That s means that this is a setuid program. You and everyone else have execute permission on this, so you can run it. When you do that, because it is setuid and owned by root, your effective user id becomes root- if you could get to a shell from sudo, you effectively WOULD be root- you could remove any file on the system, etc. That's why setuid programs have to be carefully written, and something like sudo (which is going to allow access to other programs) has to be especially careful. A setuid program doesn't necessarily mean root access. A setuid program owned by a different user would give you that user's effective id. The sudo program can also change your effective id while it is running- I'll be showing an example of that here. And; http://www.iodynamics.com/education/root101.html Since it is the aim of millions of people worldwide to get 'root' on 'your' machine, it is a privilege not taken lightly in our community. I understand that your original question was about run levels and I hope the above URL made it a little clearer. My greater concern is that you have an appreciation for the power provided by the 'root' prompt and develop the skills necessary to avoid abusing it. We live in an algorithmically dangerous world somewhat provoked by the swiss cheese that is Windows. If one new linux (or BSD, or Solaris) user would take the time to learn the safe methods to elevate privileges and pass that information on, maybe one day we could drop most of these complicated security tools (and paranoia). Just my 2 cents, Michael -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Broken 'KDE su' ?
Florian Kulzer wrote:
On Sat, Oct 28, 2006 at 00:52:47 +0200, Bruno Costacurta wrote:
Hello,
I cannot validate root password when using a 'KDE su' (meaning ie. cannot
start synaptic from the KDE menu under a non-root account)
However the same root password is accepted via other way, ie. 'su root'
typed
in a normal user console
Something broken with my 'KDE su' as it was working previously ?
Keyboard setup mismatch ?
Hard to check 'KDE su' character map as characters are (logically) hidden.
Are you using Etch? If so, make sure that kdebase, kdebase-bin and
kdelibs4c2a are up to date, i.e. from KDE 3.5.5 and not 3.5.4.
If you cannot get Synaptic to work then you can use the command
dpkg -l kdebase{,-bin} kdelibs4c2a
Same here; kdesu prompts for the root password then bails when trying
to start synaptic, kpackage, file-manager_as_root, etc. This started
several days ago after an 'apt-get update' and continues through an
update I did last night which appears to have updated all the kdelibs
installed on this machine. I haven't found a solution yet. (Also,
entering user password has no effect)
$ uname -a
Linux rocinante 2.6.18 #1 PREEMPT Mon Oct 23 23:31:50 CDT 2006 i686
GNU/Linux
After last nights 'apt-get update' - debian etch testing. kdebase
4:3.5.4-2, kdebase-bin 4:3.5.4-2+b1, kdelibs4c2a 4:3.5.5a-1, kdeadmin
4:3.5.5-1, kde-core 5:4.7.
Michael
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Re: sareg to etch question
Kevin Mark wrote: On Thu, Oct 26, 2006 at 02:16:28PM -0400, John Graves wrote: With the impending move of etch to stable, I have a question on how to do the upgrade. I am running sarge with the 2.4.25-1-386 kernel. I understand that etch requires the 2.6.x kernel. This would imply that I have a kernel upgrade in my future. Do I want to do that upgrade on sarge? To upgrade from sarge to current testing? I'd do it if its not a production system and you can handle any possible breakage. Will that allow me use my package manager to do the etch upgrade by setting my source list to stable rather than sarge? If your sources.list is set to sarge, then when etch is released, nothing will be upgrade to etch. If your sources.list is set to stable, then when etch is released, you will upgrade to the current stable -- etch. But wiil upgrde again when the next stable is relased. If your sources.list is set to etch, then when etch is released, you will upgrade to etch and stay with etch. If you wait for etch to be relaesed, there will be an 'sarge to etch' upgrade guide (release notes) that will help you address what every issue have been found. cheers, Kev Everytime I start to lose faith in the Linux community I come upon a pearl of wisdom similar to the following: http://linuxdevices.com/articles/AT3855888078.html My own sarge to etch migration was not without it's problems. Although etch is still in testing, I would have expected the upgrade to have gone better. In the end due to problems with devfs to udev conversion and new apt-get security issues (read 'signed' packages) I ended up with an unusuable system and had to install clean from the netinst CD and make quite a few adjustments, post-installation, to get the system working correctly. Most notable was having to get 'mkinitrd.yaird' installed, deal with an apparent package issue with kernel 2.6.16 and 2.6.16-2, and install the non-broken initrd-tools and cramfsprogs. A good backup strategy saved my bacon. I've told myself a hundred times - stay with stable - but I guess I have yet to learn. Michael -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Compiling a kernel
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You have gotten a couple DIFFERENT approaches to installing a kernel on Debian. At least one comment should send up a warning: Yes, a level-minded user. On compiling with --initrd, I finally drank the coolade last year. Before I tried to have no modules, compiling needed modules into the kernel itself. Since everyone now compiles oodles of modules, mostly uneeded, but, unknown uneeded, instructions now usually talk about modules. As others in this thread have mentioned. I just finally succumbed to the Jim Jones thing in the last couple of days after years of building non-initrd kernels on Debian due to a strong dislike of devfs. I do not know if it is intentional on the part of the Debian development team to force initrd on the population, but, I have found it quite difficult, and very time consuming, trying to build and boot a non- initrd kernel from the 2.6.1x series. No need for the rtfm/google is your friend' stuff I have most of the current Debian docs from packages, self edited OpenOffice.org libraries, and web picked pdf's. All I wanted was to locally build a trusted 2.6.18 series kernel with CITI_NFS4 patches. After several build iterations on a -rc6 source tree. The one that finally booted without a 'kernel panic: vfs: error root fileysystem not found' error, was a 'make-kpkg --initrd' build. Per usual, the alsa system still won't greet me when KDE starts, though all the modules are loaded, but this thing runs as a kerberos slave with our ldap database replicated to it. So sound sucks, and I guess I don't need it (more like, I don't have time to screw with it). I guess while I'm ranting; Linux was promoted years ago as being able to run on outdated hardware. My budget does not allow me to purchase the latest hardware pushed down to us by Intel, AMD, and MS, every millisecond. But it sure seems like Linux (all distributions) and the 'BSD's for that matter, have developed a preference for recent (within the last three years) hardware. Maybe I'm confusing 'able' and 'useable'. Oh well, I think there might be something for me in 'man kernel-img.conf'. Michael -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
