Re: Debian, Iceweasle, Firefox!
Iceweasel and Firefox are a different products, very similar, but different. So I think that debian should no longer use firefox as a name for iceweasel package! I will give you an example: You are typing: aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade and after that you realize that you have no longer debian, but knoppix or ubuntu... ups... they are very similar you can say, but did you want to change your debian to ubuntu? I think: no! Be realist, do everybody have a time to read all news carefully? On 1/27/07, Roberto C. Sanchez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Sat, Jan 27, 2007 at 03:55:33PM +0100, Piotr Dziubinski wrote: > Only Etch supports amd64, so I was forced to use Etch. > There is an unofficial Sarge release for amd64. I use it on a couple of servers and many Debian users the unofficial Sarge with no problems. > Command I have used: > apt-get install firefox > > NOT > apt-get install iceweasel > > I knew exactly what I was doing, because my friend told me that there will > be no longer firefox in debian, instead of it will be iceweasel, so I was > curious what will happen after typing: ^^^ Hmm. > apt-get install firefox > > There is no longer firefox in debian etch, so after typing: > apt-get install firefox > I would like to see announcement: Firefox packages are no longer present in > debian distribution, please try iceweasel. > OK. Here are the announcements: http://lists.debian.org/debian-news/debian-news-2006/msg00044.html http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2004/12/msg00328.html http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2006/10/msg00665.html The debian-news item is from mid-October of 2006. There was also Lots of discussion about it on various Debian mailing lists. > Do you see a difference? > Nope. > I don't use aptitude, because I prefer command line. > OK. Then 'aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade' will work just the same. Of course, it won't tell you *why* since you are not in the aptitude browser, but aptitude works on the command line just like apt-get and keeps better track of things to boot. Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://people.connexer.com/~roberto http://www.connexer.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFFu3C55SXWIKfIlGQRAhEQAKCjC3GUFRH9C8M9tFrNUSblEYj/hgCdE2uH YRi6LtPWrJtO9pdOg8Vxx14= =jVhV -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Piotr Dziubinski
Re: Debian, Iceweasle, Firefox!
Only Etch supports amd64, so I was forced to use Etch. Command I have used: apt-get install firefox NOT apt-get install iceweasel I knew exactly what I was doing, because my friend told me that there will be no longer firefox in debian, instead of it will be iceweasel, so I was curious what will happen after typing: apt-get install firefox There is no longer firefox in debian etch, so after typing: apt-get install firefox I would like to see announcement: Firefox packages are no longer present in debian distribution, please try iceweasel. Do you see a difference? I don't use aptitude, because I prefer command line. On 1/27/07, Roberto C. Sanchez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Sat, Jan 27, 2007 at 01:11:26AM +0100, Piotr Dziubinski wrote: > Answers: > Etch > apt-get > > I was informed by apt-get that Iceweasel package will be installed, but I > wasn't informed that instead of Firefox and it is a problem! > If I would like to uninstall (even current version of) Firefox I would do it > myself. > So, you are running the *testing* distribution, you perform an 'apt-get upgrade', it decides it wants to install *new* packages and you proceed *blindly* without investigating *why* the new package was being installed? I'm sorry, but it seems like you did this to yourself. Had you bothered to run and 'apt-cache show iceweasel', you would have seen what was going on. Had you been running aptitude, which has been the preferred and better supported package manager for Debian since the release of Sarge, you would have seen by simply highlighting the iceweasel package that it was being installed because firefox depended on it. I'll say again, you did this to yourself and your initial flame against everyone was highly uncalled for. Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://people.connexer.com/~roberto http://www.connexer.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFFu2E35SXWIKfIlGQRArH6AJ9CBMcLt8QfBP9U/SOAZ1wPeiQbvgCaA9cX PtdSg8MtZxYGjxKkvnplV14= =cuhG -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Piotr Dziubinski
Re: Debian, Iceweasle, Firefox!
Answers: Etch apt-get I was informed by apt-get that Iceweasel package will be installed, but I wasn't informed that instead of Firefox and it is a problem! If I would like to uninstall (even current version of) Firefox I would do it myself. Out of curiousity, how did you not realize that Iceweasel was going to get installed? Do you not pay attention to what packages are to be installed on your system? You are running Etch or Sid, correct? You do realize that they are not stable and subject to volatile changes at times. Correct? Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://people.connexer.com/~roberto http://www.connexer.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFFupS61snWssAFC08RApfDAJ9d4KqhhaD/GqFJG8ccWcireZew2wCfb9ia W89e0e+iPU5CTIwdy2buXok= =v9cd -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: Debian, Iceweasle, Firefox!
I'm irritated cause I expect that operating system will ask me about such kind of changes. It is a reason why I have started to use Linux. I want to have complete control in all changes made in my operating system. As You mentioned, Iceweasel isn't real Firefox. If I knew that upgrade of Firefox, would change my Firefox into Iceweasel, I<http://www.google.pl/search?hl=pl&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&hs=P3u&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=wouldn%27t&spell=1>wouldn't do it! Dziubo On 1/27/07, Roberto C. Sanchez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Fri, Jan 26, 2007 at 11:20:00PM +0100, Piotr Dziubinski wrote: > I'm very irritated and disappointed with your policy! Why? > As others have pointed out in this thread, Iceweasel is Firefox, but without the Mozilla branding. If you are irritated, then be irritated at Mozilla and write them and angry mail instead. Since you are obviously not aware of the reasons, I will give you a quick synopsis. On the Mozilla side: - using the Firefox name and logo requires the distributor to use the binaries provided by Mozilla - "security" support is provided by shipping new upstream releases, with zero help to distributors for backporting - Debian's permission to use the Firefox name (which was given previously) was revoked - the Firefox artwork is non-free On the Debian side: - Debian policy requires that all packages be built on Debian autobuilders (there are rare exceptions, but they are extremely few) - Debian policy requires not shipping new upstream versions in stable releases (that means backporting security fixes) - Debian requires that security updates come from the Debian security team (this creates a problem even if Debian acquiesced and released the binaries from mozilla, since the first security patch would create an unresolvable conflict) - Debian requires that everything shipped in main be DFSG compliant (the Mozilla Firefox artwork is not) Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://people.connexer.com/~roberto http://www.connexer.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFFuo0g1snWssAFC08RAsWEAJ964eWiHUiAaKEIhEgZ5dsBX7qN6gCfao53 MoDSvW+TF1g0wlONypak3Ms= =b/vi -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Debian, Iceweasle, Firefox!
I'm very irritated and disappointed with your policy! Why? I've used various Linux distributions for 8 years. I've been using Debian for the last 6 months, but today I changed my mind! After updating Firefox in Debian I realized that Firefox is no longer present in my operating system! Instead of it, I have this trashy and shity Iceweasle. F.u...k, #%&[EMAIL PROTECTED] 5^%^*(@ %$&$%&^$ Oki, I can install my favorite Firefox from other packages, but do you realize, that I would like to be asked if I want to use this f..u...k...ng %^*( *&##$$ ^&^%& Iceweasle instead of Firefox? Good luck with using losers... ups I mean: losing users! :P Ex-Debian user... ... back to the Gentoo
