Re: Question about MultiArch and dependencies
Le 30/12/2014 17:23, Gary Dale a écrit : > Then again, knowing how to ask a question is also important. It would Then again, not everybody is born in an english-speaking country. > seem that your real concern is having two terminals on the menu. It is _one_ of my concerns. The other one being apt not resolving these dependencies the way I expected it to. Unlike you, Sven understood the question immediately and unlike you, he gave an appropriate answer. I filed a bug report against mate-terminal. Problem solved. > However, did you actually test that it would happen? Would installing > the multiarch version give you two xterms or would the last one > installed overwrite the first? > > Could you simply remove the second menu item if one did in fact show up? > > Did you try removing the mate version of xterm before installing the one > steam prefers? What does it have to do with my initial question about dependencies resolving ? Stop trying to justify yourself and just admit you were gratuitously rude to someone you mistook for a newbie. -- Raphaël Halimi signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Question about MultiArch and dependencies
Le 30/12/2014 06:04, Gary Dale a écrit : > On 29/12/14 11:59 PM, The Wanderer wrote: >> On 12/29/2014 at 11:48 PM, Gary Dale wrote: >> >>> On 29/12/14 04:27 PM, Raphaël Halimi wrote: >>> >>>> Le 29/12/2014 21:52, Gary Dale a écrit : >>>>> Apparently not. >>>> Wow, very useful answer. Thanks a lot ! >>> Given that most packages are trivially small compared with disk space >>> and memory these days, especially on gaming computers, the question >>> itself is almost pointless. Just pull in the dependency and forget >>> about it. >> It's far from pointless if you're wanting to try to _understand_ what's >> going on and why, which is an eminently reasonable goal and one which >> should be encouraged rather than treated dismissively. >> > I read it as a complaint, not a question. He didn't ask why didn't it, > just shouldn't it. He didn't say it created any problems with his > desktop environment, just frustration that he needed two xterms. 1/ Remember that not all people speak English as their native language. 2/ Although it was indeed a question and not a complaint, I'm trying to build a desktop for non-computer-literate people, used to simple layouts like stock MacOSX, so yeah, having two terminals in the menu _is_ a problem for the goal I'm trying to reach. 3/ Following your logic, I just should have forgotten about the problem (because it _is_ a problem in mate-terminal's packaging, as Sven pointed out) and live with it... I wonder where Debian would be today if everyone treated minor bugs like you do. Indeed, I could just dpkg-divert the desktop file to hide it on the machines I install (that's probably what I'll do if the fix doesn't reach Jessie before the release), but as The Wanderer said, understanding why apt reacts like that was much more interesting, and reporting this kind of minor bugs in packaging, in addition to saving me a little bit of work on future installations, allows to fix the problem not only for Debian, but for all of its downstreams as well (Ubuntu, Mint, Crunchbang, etc etc). Just admit that you didn't really understand the question, and gave a useless and almost rude answer. These things happen, it's no big deal. -- Raphaël Halimi signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Question about MultiArch and dependencies
Le 29/12/2014 23:05, Sven Joachim a écrit : >> Thanks, that was the information I was looking for. So if I understand >> correctly, the bug relies in mate-terminal's packaging ? > > Yes, mate-terminal could probably safely be marked as > "Multi-Arch: foreign". Feel free to file a bug for that. That's what I intended, but I had a doubt about which package, hence the original post. >> Is there a way >> to check a control file's Multi-Arch field without downloading the >> source package ? apt-cache show doesn't display it. > > If the Multi-Arch field is present, apt-cache displays it. Right, before I asked I tried with a couple of packages, but in my haste I didn't see it with xterm, as it was below the description. Regards, -- Raphaël Halimi signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Question about MultiArch and dependencies
Le 29/12/2014 22:31, Sven Joachim a écrit : > On 2014-12-29 21:35 +0100, Raphaël Halimi wrote: > >> On an amd64 Sid system, steam (i386 only) depends on xterm | >> x-terminal-emulator. I already have mate-terminal installed, which >> provides x-terminal-emulator, but both apt and aptitude don't care and >> want to install xterm along with steam. >> >> Shouldn't apt be happy with mate-terminal:amd64 and install steam >> without pulling xterm in ? > > No, because (unlike xterm) mate-terminal is not marked as > "Multi-Arch: foreign" and thus cannot fulfill dependencies of > packages from a different architecture[1]. > > Cheers, >Sven > > > 1. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MultiarchSpec#Binary_package_control_fields Thanks, that was the information I was looking for. So if I understand correctly, the bug relies in mate-terminal's packaging ? Is there a way to check a control file's Multi-Arch field without downloading the source package ? apt-cache show doesn't display it. -- Raphaël Halimi signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Question about MultiArch and dependencies
Le 29/12/2014 21:52, Gary Dale a écrit : > On 29/12/14 03:35 PM, Raphaël Halimi wrote: >> Hi, >> >> On an amd64 Sid system, steam (i386 only) depends on xterm | >> x-terminal-emulator. I already have mate-terminal installed, which >> provides x-terminal-emulator, but both apt and aptitude don't care and >> want to install xterm along with steam. >> >> Shouldn't apt be happy with mate-terminal:amd64 and install steam >> without pulling xterm in ? >> > Apparently not. Wow, very useful answer. Thanks a lot ! -- Raphaël Halimi signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Question about MultiArch and dependencies
Hi, On an amd64 Sid system, steam (i386 only) depends on xterm | x-terminal-emulator. I already have mate-terminal installed, which provides x-terminal-emulator, but both apt and aptitude don't care and want to install xterm along with steam. Shouldn't apt be happy with mate-terminal:amd64 and install steam without pulling xterm in ? -- Raphaël Halimi signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Need a fresh copy of a file
On Mon, Jan 31, 2000 at 01:51:02AM +0100, Raphaël HALIMI wrote: > Hello. Could someone send me a "pure" copy of /etc/init.d/network script ? > > I changed it in order to work smoothly with DHCP, but now I have a second > network card and I need to declare it in the startup scripts. > > Thanks in advance. It's OK, I got it, someone sent it to me. But I can't see anymore the link in the /etc/rcX.d directories... What number does the network script has ? Thanks. -- Raphaël HALIMI Bash Scripts !! http://www.linux-france.org/prj/bash-scripts
Need a fresh copy of a file
Hello. Could someone send me a "pure" copy of /etc/init.d/network script ? I changed it in order to work smoothly with DHCP, but now I have a second network card and I need to declare it in the startup scripts. Thanks in advance. -- Raphaël HALIMI Bash Scripts !! http://www.linux-france.org/prj/bash-scripts
[OFF TOPIC] Finding an IP from a Mac Address
Hello. This question has nothing to do with Debian, but I ask here because I really need a quick answer, so I try everywhere I can... Yesterday, again, somebody downloaded 60 Mb from my machine. It's the third time this month. I wouldn't mind, but I have a cable connection and my ISP allows me only 125 Mb of upload... And every Mb above this limit is to be paid, 3 Francs, which is about 0.5 $ :-( All I have is a Mac address (aka a hardware address), from the log produced by iptraf: 08003e06045b. How can I find which computer this address belongs to ? Thanks for any help. -- Raphaël HALIMI Bash Scripts !! http://www.linux-france.org/prj/bash-scripts