Re: Question about MultiArch and dependencies

2014-12-30 Thread Raphaël Halimi
Le 30/12/2014 17:23, Gary Dale a écrit :
> Then again, knowing how to ask a question is also important. It would

Then again, not everybody is born in an english-speaking country.

> seem that your real concern is having two terminals on the menu.

It is _one_ of my concerns. The other one being apt not resolving these
dependencies the way I expected it to. Unlike you, Sven understood the
question immediately and unlike you, he gave an appropriate answer. I
filed a bug report against mate-terminal. Problem solved.

> However, did you actually test that it would happen? Would installing 
> the multiarch version give you two xterms or would the last one 
> installed overwrite the first?
> 
> Could you simply remove the second menu item if one did in fact show up?
> 
> Did you try removing the mate version of xterm before installing the one 
> steam prefers?

What does it have to do with my initial question about dependencies
resolving ? Stop trying to justify yourself and just admit you were
gratuitously rude to someone you mistook for a newbie.

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Re: Question about MultiArch and dependencies

2014-12-30 Thread Raphaël Halimi
Le 30/12/2014 06:04, Gary Dale a écrit :
> On 29/12/14 11:59 PM, The Wanderer wrote:
>> On 12/29/2014 at 11:48 PM, Gary Dale wrote:
>>
>>> On 29/12/14 04:27 PM, Raphaël Halimi wrote:
>>>
>>>> Le 29/12/2014 21:52, Gary Dale a écrit :
>>>>> Apparently not.
>>>> Wow, very useful answer. Thanks a lot !
>>> Given that most packages are trivially small compared with disk space
>>> and memory these days, especially on gaming computers, the question
>>> itself is almost pointless. Just pull in the dependency and forget
>>> about it.
>> It's far from pointless if you're wanting to try to _understand_ what's
>> going on and why, which is an eminently reasonable goal and one which
>> should be encouraged rather than treated dismissively.
>>
> I read it as a complaint, not a question. He didn't ask why didn't it, 
> just shouldn't it. He didn't say it created any problems with his 
> desktop environment, just frustration that he needed two xterms.

1/ Remember that not all people speak English as their native language.
2/ Although it was indeed a question and not a complaint, I'm trying to
build a desktop for non-computer-literate people, used to simple layouts
like stock MacOSX, so yeah, having two terminals in the menu _is_ a
problem for the goal I'm trying to reach.
3/ Following your logic, I just should have forgotten about the problem
(because it _is_ a problem in mate-terminal's packaging, as Sven pointed
out) and live with it... I wonder where Debian would be today if
everyone treated minor bugs like you do. Indeed, I could just
dpkg-divert the desktop file to hide it on the machines I install
(that's probably what I'll do if the fix doesn't reach Jessie before the
release), but as The Wanderer said, understanding why apt reacts like
that was much more interesting, and reporting this kind of minor bugs in
packaging, in addition to saving me a little bit of work on future
installations, allows to fix the problem not only for Debian, but for
all of its downstreams as well (Ubuntu, Mint, Crunchbang, etc etc).

Just admit that you didn't really understand the question, and gave a
useless and almost rude answer. These things happen, it's no big deal.

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Re: Question about MultiArch and dependencies

2014-12-29 Thread Raphaël Halimi
Le 29/12/2014 23:05, Sven Joachim a écrit :
>> Thanks, that was the information I was looking for. So if I understand
>> correctly, the bug relies in mate-terminal's packaging ?
> 
> Yes, mate-terminal could probably safely be marked as
> "Multi-Arch: foreign".  Feel free to file a bug for that.

That's what I intended, but I had a doubt about which package, hence the
original post.

>> Is there a way
>> to check a control file's Multi-Arch field without downloading the
>> source package ? apt-cache show doesn't display it.
> 
> If the Multi-Arch field is present, apt-cache displays it.

Right, before I asked I tried with a couple of packages, but in my haste
I didn't see it with xterm, as it was below the description.

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Re: Question about MultiArch and dependencies

2014-12-29 Thread Raphaël Halimi
Le 29/12/2014 22:31, Sven Joachim a écrit :
> On 2014-12-29 21:35 +0100, Raphaël Halimi wrote:
> 
>> On an amd64 Sid system, steam (i386 only) depends on xterm |
>> x-terminal-emulator. I already have mate-terminal installed, which
>> provides x-terminal-emulator, but both apt and aptitude don't care and
>> want to install xterm along with steam.
>>
>> Shouldn't apt be happy with mate-terminal:amd64 and install steam
>> without pulling xterm in ?
> 
> No, because (unlike xterm) mate-terminal is not marked as
> "Multi-Arch: foreign" and thus cannot fulfill dependencies of
> packages from a different architecture[1].
> 
> Cheers,
>Sven
> 
> 
> 1. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MultiarchSpec#Binary_package_control_fields

Thanks, that was the information I was looking for. So if I understand
correctly, the bug relies in mate-terminal's packaging ? Is there a way
to check a control file's Multi-Arch field without downloading the
source package ? apt-cache show doesn't display it.

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Re: Question about MultiArch and dependencies

2014-12-29 Thread Raphaël Halimi
Le 29/12/2014 21:52, Gary Dale a écrit :
> On 29/12/14 03:35 PM, Raphaël Halimi wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> On an amd64 Sid system, steam (i386 only) depends on xterm |
>> x-terminal-emulator. I already have mate-terminal installed, which
>> provides x-terminal-emulator, but both apt and aptitude don't care and
>> want to install xterm along with steam.
>>
>> Shouldn't apt be happy with mate-terminal:amd64 and install steam
>> without pulling xterm in ?
>>
> Apparently not.

Wow, very useful answer. Thanks a lot !

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Question about MultiArch and dependencies

2014-12-29 Thread Raphaël Halimi
Hi,

On an amd64 Sid system, steam (i386 only) depends on xterm |
x-terminal-emulator. I already have mate-terminal installed, which
provides x-terminal-emulator, but both apt and aptitude don't care and
want to install xterm along with steam.

Shouldn't apt be happy with mate-terminal:amd64 and install steam
without pulling xterm in ?

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Re: Need a fresh copy of a file

2000-01-31 Thread Raphaël HALIMI
On Mon, Jan 31, 2000 at 01:51:02AM +0100, Raphaël HALIMI wrote:

> Hello. Could someone send me a "pure" copy of /etc/init.d/network script ?
> 
> I changed it in order to work smoothly with DHCP, but now I have a second
> network card and I need to declare it in the startup scripts.
> 
> Thanks in advance.

It's OK, I got it, someone sent it to me. But I can't see anymore the
link in the /etc/rcX.d directories... What number does the network script
has ?

Thanks.

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Need a fresh copy of a file

2000-01-31 Thread Raphaël HALIMI
Hello. Could someone send me a "pure" copy of /etc/init.d/network script ?

I changed it in order to work smoothly with DHCP, but now I have a second
network card and I need to declare it in the startup scripts.

Thanks in advance.

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[OFF TOPIC] Finding an IP from a Mac Address

2000-01-29 Thread Raphaël HALIMI
Hello. This question has nothing to do with Debian, but I ask here because I
really need a quick answer, so I try everywhere I can...

Yesterday, again, somebody downloaded 60 Mb from my machine. It's the third
time this month. I wouldn't mind, but I have a cable connection and my ISP
allows me only 125 Mb of upload... And every Mb above this limit is to be paid,
3 Francs, which is about 0.5 $ :-(

All I have is a Mac address (aka a hardware address), from the log produced
by iptraf: 08003e06045b.

How can I find which computer this address belongs to ?

Thanks for any help.

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