Re: Runaway BIND
On Feb 13, 2007, at 11:14 PM, Andy Smith wrote: On Tue, Feb 13, 2007 at 10:17:49AM -0500, Rich Johnson wrote: What is surprising is that such an event brought down _another_ machine. Would it be fair to say that excessive loggers are ill-behaved? It sounds like your bind was misconfigured and didn't know what the IPs of the root servers were. Always a possibility--though it would mean that it has been misconfigured for 6-1/2 years since the initial installation (potato, or maybe the woody upgrade) and the problem never before encountered. The list of root servers in /etc/bind/db.root is provided by bind/bind9 package. The only changes to the package distribution are the list of forwarders in named.conf.options and the zones in named.conf.local. That is a critical situation so I don't blame it for logging like mad. Some monitoring to check your logs and disk space would be advised. I have no objection to bind logging its concerns. But it's the like mad bit I find troublesome.15+MB of log per hour repeatedly recording the same problem, however critical, strikes me as excessive. At this rate the recording eventually causes more damage than the problem itself. My server withstood 10hrs (from Sat PM-Sun AM) before being overwhelmed. Try logcheck and, well, I'm not sure what. I use nagios but that's a bit much for a single machine home user. There must be something though. Maybe one of those desktop widgets that display graphs of disk space? Hmm...any of these capable of shutting down the system as it enters a red zone (e.g. /var free space 10M) and before it becomes unbootable? I find unexpected automatic shutdown preferable to recovery. Thx, --rich -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Runaway BIND
On Feb 13, 2007, at 3:12 AM, Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote: On 12.02.07 09:55, Rich Johnson wrote: well, i suggest you - upgrade to bind9 (preferrably 9.3) - check your named.root zone, if it exists and if you have it configured. Done! Let's hope it helps. I run dist-upgrade (testing) regularly. Perhaps at some point it should specify bind9? I think I've identified the triggering event. It appears that it was my gateway router (a DSL modem) losing power. Under such conditions the failure to reach the root servers is not surprising. What is surprising is that such an event brought down _another_ machine. Would it be fair to say that excessive loggers are ill-behaved? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Runaway BIND
OUCH! I just recovered from bind (8.4.7-1) flooding /var/log/syslog with several hundred megabytes of messages along the lines of: grep no addrs found for root syslog | head Feb 10 19:54:59 creaky named[7652]: sysquery: no addrs found for root NS (B.GTLD-SERVERS.net) Feb 10 19:54:59 creaky named[7652]: sysquery: no addrs found for root NS (C.GTLD-SERVERS.net) Feb 10 19:54:59 creaky named[7652]: sysquery: no addrs found for root NS (D.GTLD-SERVERS.net) When bind goes nuts it repeated cycles through the entire set of root servers at both ROOT-SERVERS.NET and GTLD-SERVERS.net at the rate of ~550 logs/sec. A typical burst runs for ~75 seconds or so and emits ~42000 messages. In my case the bursts started at 19:54:59 EST (UTC-5) and affected both master and slave servers. That and the maturity of bind leads me to suspect some external trigger. Upon reboot, init would not tolerate a full /var. I was able to recover with no data loss by: 1. rebooting into /bin/sh 2. manually running fsck 3. moving the morbidly obese syslog to another partition for analysis 4. normal reboot. The named.conf option set is rather daunting. Can anyone suggest some options to throttle back the verbosity? Thx, --rich -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: is it possible to create a black box with debian?
On Sep 16, 2006, at 1:55 PM, Default User wrote: This is just a general opinion based upon general, not specific, experience. I can't really comment in detail because I don't know what exactly you are trying to accomplish. As a general rule I believe that to the extent that anyone has local, physical access or even proximity to your system, you are in potential danger. If you really want a lecture on the subject, may I suggest that you post to http://www.openbsd.org. The subject has been discussed there exhaustively, as they will tell you in no uncertain terms. Yikes! that should be . . . post to misc@openbsd.org. Yes, that what happens when you drink and send email at the same time. :-O LOL, would that be E.U.I. or E.W.I. ? --rich -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Why all the futzing with boot loaders
On Aug 24, 2006, at 1:35 AM, Jason Martens wrote: [...snip...] My second question: - After the LILO ''upgrade'', attempts to install lilo have my system unbootable, can anyone tell me how I bolixed things up and walk me through a recovery process? (step 1: how to obtain an bootable floppy with ext3, LILO and command line support) The easiest way to fix this in my experience is to boot from the debian installer. Something like this should work: boot installer Check: Booted expert26 from the sarge installer. mount your root partition to /target Check: Had to track this one down. The installer doesn't support mounting anything without first partitioning the disk(s). Furthermore, there is no /dev/hda, so instead: - Detect hardware - Execute a shell - ~ # mkdir /target - ~ # mount /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part1 /target mount any additional partitions in their correct places in /target Check: though in hindsight, the easiest path might be to do a mount -a after chroot target. (assuming root disk isn't corrupted!) chroot /target Check: I had forgotten about this mount -t proc proc /proc Check: This sounds too much like a magical incantation) apt-get install grub Check: from /var/cache though if necessary, I could've configured the network. grub-install /dev/hdx Check! If you got this far, you should be able to then reboot into your system. Not exactly easy, but it works. Its not so bad. The only annoyance was (re)discovering the root filesystem--though I can envision a script to perform that task: (scan for root(s); prompt for selection if necessary; mount ; chroot ; mount -a) Thank you, thank you. This process is a nice addition to the toolkit. A ''recovery'' script to perform the task would make a nice addition to the installer disk. --rich -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Why all the futzing with boot loaders
I was perfectly happy running LILO with potato and woody. Then sarge installs with the GRUB bootloader. All right, I can deal. Now apt-get dist-upgrade _removes_ a working GRUB and installs a non- working LILO; it doesn't update the MBR. My first question: - Can anyone tell me why there's all this thrashing about? My second question: - After the LILO ''upgrade'', attempts to install lilo have my system unbootable, can anyone tell me how I bolixed things up and walk me through a recovery process? (step 1: how to obtain an bootable floppy with ext3, LILO and command line support) The BIOS messages are: [] Searching for Boot Record from IDE-0..OK No boot signature in partition Boot Failure from Previous Device.. The last commands (and responses) were: cmd:$ sudo lilo -M /dev/hda1 Fatal: /dev/hda1 is not a master device with a primary parition table [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ sudo lilo -M /dev/hda1 mbr Fatal: /dev/hda1 is not a master device with a primary parition table cmd:$ sudo lilo -M /dev/hda mbr Backup copy of /dev/hda in /boot/boot.0300 The Master Boot Record of /dev/hda has been updated. cmd:$ sudo lilo -v -v LILO version 22.6.1, Copyright (C) 1992-1998 Werner Almesberger Development beyond version 21 Copyright (C) 1999-2004 John Coffman Released 17-Nov-2004, and compiled at 10:36:02 on Nov 29 2005 Debian GNU/Linux raid_setup returns offset = ndisk = 0 BIOS VolumeID Device Reading boot sector from /dev/hda1 pf_hard_disk_scan: ndevs=1 0300 35FCF572 /dev/hda device codes (user assigned pf) = 0 device codes (user assigned) = 0 device codes (BIOS assigned) = 0 device codes (canonical) = 1 Warning: boot record relocation beyond BPB is necessary: /dev/hda1 Warning: Unable to determine video adapter in use in the present system. Using BITMAP secondary loader Calling map_insert_data Secondary loader: 19 sectors (0x3600 dataend). bios_boot = 0x80 bios_map = 0x80 map==boot = 0 map S/N: 35FCF572 Mapping bitmap file /boot/debianlilo.bmp Calling map_insert_file Bitmap: 301 sectors. BIOS data check will include auto-suppress check Boot image: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.16-2-686 Setup length is 15 sectors. Mapped 2237 sectors. Mapping RAM disk /boot/initrd.img-2.6.16-2-686 RAM disk: 8490 sectors. Added Lin_2.6.16img0 * Boot image: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.8-2-386 Setup length is 10 sectors. Mapped 2146 sectors. Mapping RAM disk /boot/initrd.img-2.6.8-2-386 RAM disk: 8432 sectors. Added Lin_2.6.8img1 Boot image: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.8-3-686 Setup length is 10 sectors. Mapped 2291 sectors. Mapping RAM disk /boot/initrd.img-2.6.8-3-686 RAM disk: 9112 sectors. Added Lin_2.6.8img2 BIOS VolumeID Device 8035FCF5720300 Writing boot sector. /boot/boot.0301 exists - no boot sector backup copy made. Map file size: 339456 bytes. RAID device mask 0x Boot sector relocation performed cmd:$ init 6 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Why all the futzing with boot loaders
On Aug 23, 2006, at 2:54 PM, Rich Johnson wrote:[...snip...]My second question: - After the LILO ''upgrade'', attempts to install lilo have my system unbootable, can anyone tell me how I bolixed things up and walk me through a recovery process? (step 1: how to obtain an bootable floppy with ext3, LILO and command line support)...or how to boot the installer CD to a command line to reset the MBR
Re: Pumping Gas in Oregon (WAS: Re: Osama Bin Laden Take Over List!)
On Aug 22, 2006, at 8:32 AM, Steve Lamb wrote: Paul Johnson wrote: No. On the other hand, hard to argue with gas being cheaper in Oregon when you can see the difference in an hour round trip to Vancouver... Which doesn't mean the reason you gave is the reason for the difference. As has been pointed out if the reason you gave were true then market forces would drive the rest of the nation to same model of service. Since that isn't the case there must be some other reason which cannot be easily replicated in the other 48 states. Personally I'd look at the difference in tax rates of the other states versus Oregon. Oregon not taxing at the same rate could easily account for the difference in price. Here we go again! With all the usual suspects...(including all the Johnsons!) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
specifying umask for daemons
Hi folks-- Is there a recommended best practice for specifying the umask for daemons when running _stable_? Or how is the umask established for a system user with no login shell? For example. Even though the default umask is 022, I wish to run motion(1) as a daemon with umask 002 so it'll create dirs and files with group write privileges. The daemon is currently started via /etc/init.d/motion with a command like: start-stop-daemon --chuid motion --start --make-pidfile --pidfile / var/run/motion.pid --background --exec /usr/bin/motion and all files are created with the default umask (022). Operational constraints are that it must work for an ext2/ext3 mounted '''noacl'', and must run on a _stable_ distribution--i.e. (dpkg version 1.10.28). Neither - (umask 002 ; start-stop-daemon ...) - start-stop-daemon --exec (umask 002; /usr/bin/motion) will work. Is there any option other than hacking a ''umask'' option into the daemon? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Going back to stable
On Jul 15, 2006, at 5:53 AM, Dave Ewart wrote: On Saturday, 15.07.2006 at 01:00 -0400, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: That is not exactly supported. Especially since there are *huge* differences between stable and unstable. Gnome has been upgraded twice, XFree86 was replaced by X.org. Those two alone would be enough to scare me off. Your best bet is to reinstall. If you kept /home on a sepearate partition from the beginning, this should be relatively trivial to accomplish without losing many settings. I'd second this advice. Re-install, don't even *try* to downgrade... I agree as well. Though it has been possible in the past, at the current time that ''not exactly supported'' is at best a rather gracious euphemism. I tried to go from testing-stable the other day with disastrous results. Things really got wedged when apt-get/dpkg objected to removing some files shared by debian-utils and some other package whose name escapes me. I gave up and reinstalled from scratch. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Going back to stable
On Jul 15, 2006, at 2:59 PM, Arafangion wrote: H S Rai wrote: What is the way to go back to stable version, if mess has been created using apt-get for unstable and experimental vesrsion? With assistance from dpkg --get-selections selections vim selections dpkg --set-selections selections; I would reinstall debian entirely. Does this work across dists where the package set changes? For example testing - xorg but stable - xfree86. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Daylight Savings Time Extended
On Jul 14, 2006, at 12:19 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: [...snip...] I'd agree with what you said if you s/American/Californian. This country isn't big enough for California and the rest of us... -- Paul Johnson Email and IM (XMPP Google Talk): [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabber: Because it's time to move forward http://ursine.ca/ Ursine:Jabber ...ursine.ca(?)given your Canadian addresses, I don't understand your high dudgeon on this matter. Couldn't you just move to SK and be done with it? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mip-o-suction (horrible performance)
On Jul 9, 2006, at 4:38 AM, Ron Johnson wrote: Better support for h/w. (For example, you may want to install a SATA card in your machine. I don't know how well 2.4 supports SATA.) The 2.6 kernel is where all new features like more efficient ext3 are released. Even if 2.4 does everything you need/want, still, upgrade to 2.4.32 and go to .33 when it is released soon. Yeah, I know all that. No amount of fiddling with hdparm helped when running 2.4 so I think the problem lies elsewhere. On 2.4 Memtest runs a complete cycle in ~2400 secs. No errors other than the initial probes are reported. Anyway, the problem goes away with a 2.6 kernel. This is with no changes to BIOS or any of the package configurations. This gives _me_ an acceptable solutionfor now. ... there are those nagging doubts. Surely I'm not the only one who's seen such behavior. From a community perspective it's troubling to see a basic, no-frills, stable installation on a name- brand machine produce such horrible results. It's shaken my confidence that the problem will not reappear at the most inopportune time. --rich -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mip-o-suction (horrible performance)
On Jul 10, 2006, at 1:16 PM, Ron Johnson wrote: [...snip...] Anyway, the problem goes away with a 2.6 kernel. This is with no changes to BIOS or any of the package configurations. This gives _me_ an acceptable solutionfor now. What do you mean for now? I mean, until I either understand what's going on, or make my peace with it. It also raised a red-flag about performance under load. I just don't like ignoring red flags. ... there are those nagging doubts. Surely I'm not the only one who's seen such behavior. From a community perspective it's troubling to see a basic, no-frills, stable installation on a name-brand machine produce such horrible results. Maybe NCR changed at some point, but I do know that they were always hot for *highly* customized systems. Added value, it's called. The mfgr is NEC, not NCR. The fact that the 2.6 kernel fixes it strongly suggests to me that the PG350 *is* such an oddball, where a work-around was only put into 2.6. ...or its could be symptomatic of a race condition, which (under light loads) fails in 2.4 but succeeds in 2.6. Under heavier loads, who knows? All-in-all I much prefer affirmative identification of problems. And THAT's why I inquried about diagnostics in my first post. I'd like to verify that the problem doesn't recur. It's shaken my confidence that the problem will not reappear at the most inopportune time. Oh, puh-leeze. Mobo, chipset and card makers all do some pretty weird shit, and it's not easy for Linux to handle every combination of custom chipsets. I would hope it does at least as good a job as Windoze on the same machine. Hmm..is there a utility to report the chipset/driver config, as resolved by the kernel? Is there a way to get a report of the scheduler's activity? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Mip-o-suction (horrible performance)
Folks-- I have just converted an old NEC PG350 (500MHz) w 256MB and 20G(WDC WD200BB) disk from WIn'98 to Debian Sarge and ran into a problem I've never before encountered with Debian: Performance that is HORRIBLE beyond belief! For example: - ~16 minutes to boot (A 10 yr old 130Mhz PowerPC is faster) to GDM login screen. - 2 min. just for for ''calculating module dependencies'' - 3 min. just for hotplug - ~10min. from user login to a settled Gnome desktop. What gives? I've never seen such bad performance. What diagnostics/benchmarks should I be looking at? Judging from the lackadaisical disk LED activity, I doubt it's the disk. Thx, --rich -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mip-o-suction (horrible performance)
On Jul 8, 2006, at 3:34 PM, Ron Johnson wrote: What gives? I've never seen such bad performance. What diagnostics/benchmarks should I be looking at? Judging from the lackadaisical disk LED activity, I doubt it's the disk. Have you enabled bootlogd? No. It's installed, but disabled in /etc/default/bootlogd. How should that matter? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mip-o-suction (horrible performance)
On Jul 8, 2006, at 6:22 PM, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: it will give you detailed logs of the boot process so you can review it and see what's happen instead of trying to read it as it zips (in your case, crawls?) by. Got it. I can also cut and paste to show that I'm not dreaming. For instance, note what happens 17:31 - 17:34 below: Sat Jul 8 13:30:50 2006: bootlogd. Sat Jul 8 13:30:50 2006: Setting parameters of disc: (none). Sat Jul 8 13:30:50 2006: Activating swap. Sat Jul 8 13:30:50 2006: Checking root file system... Sat Jul 8 13:30:50 2006: fsck 1.37 (21-Mar-2005) Sat Jul 8 13:30:50 2006: /: clean, 109091/663872 files, 485986/1327362 blocks Sat Jul 8 17:31:01 2006: System time was Sat Jul 8 21:31:01 UTC 2006. Sat Jul 8 17:31:01 2006: Setting the System Clock using the Hardware Clock as reference... Sat Jul 8 17:31:03 2006: System Clock set. System local time is now Sat Jul 8 17:31:03 EDT 2006. Sat Jul 8 17:31:03 2006: Cleaning up ifupdown...done. Sat Jul 8 17:31:04 2006: Calculating module dependencies... done. Sat Jul 8 17:33:38 2006: Loading modules: ide-cd ide-detect ide-disk psmouse modprobe: Can't locate module psmouse Sat Jul 8 17:33:54 2006: Sat Jul 8 17:34:08 2006: Checking all file systems... Sat Jul 8 17:34:09 2006: fsck 1.37 (21-Mar-2005) Sat Jul 8 17:34:09 2006: /home: clean, 130/1700608 files, 61702/3399747 blocks Sat Jul 8 17:34:09 2006: Setting kernel variables ... [...snip...] BTW, I'm running 2.4.27-2-386 and hdparm reports: /dev/hda: multcount= 16 (on) IO_support = 0 (default 16-bit) unmaskirq= 0 (off) using_dma= 1 (on) keepsettings = 0 (off) readonly = 0 (off) readahead= 8 (on) geometry = 2434/255/63, sectors = 39102336, start = 0 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mip-o-suction (horrible performance)
On Jul 8, 2006, at 7:46 PM, Ron Johnson wrote: BTW, I'm running 2.4.27-2-386 That's 2 years old. Any particular reason you aren't running 2.6? (No, it's unstable is *not* a valid reason.) Tthis is a brand new installfirst walk, then run. Alas, the system only crawls :- The only philosophical basis is that 2.4 it is what the installer installs...and that dist-upgrade doesn't see fit to upgrade it. The secondary reason is that the machine is destined for a rural area with 9.6k dial-up access--maybe 14k on a good day. Those comm rates make ''stable'' a highly desireable feature. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mip-o-suction (horrible performance)
On Jul 8, 2006, at 7:46 PM, Ron Johnson wrote: and hdparm reports: /dev/hda: multcount= 16 (on) IO_support = 0 (default 16-bit) unmaskirq= 0 (off) using_dma= 1 (on) keepsettings = 0 (off) readonly = 0 (off) readahead= 8 (on) geometry = 2434/255/63, sectors = 39102336, start = 0 That might be part of your trouble. /dev/hda: multcount= 0 (off) IO_support = 1 (32-bit) unmaskirq= 1 (on) using_dma= 1 (on) keepsettings = 0 (off) readonly = 0 (off) readahead= 256 (on) geometry = 30401/255/63, sectors = 488397168, start = 0 Hmmm...I'm in serious need of some education here. (my main experience is with PowerPC) Are these settings part of the BIOS? hdparm manipulations don't seem to be persistent across reboots. I also notice that there's a big discrepancy in the readahead. What are the tradeoffs of bumping this number? It just preloads the disk controller's cache, right? --rich -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Update all the packages that depend on a particular package
On Jul 6, 2006, at 1:18 PM, Kamaraju Kusumanchi wrote: On Thursday 06 July 2006 13:10, Alec Berryman wrote: Kamaraju Kusumanchi on 2006-07-06 13:07:41 -0400: Now whenever I am upgrading privoxy, I would like apt-get (or aptitude or whatever other software) to check if there any newer versions of the dependencies and update those as well. Is this possible? If so, How? 'apt-get upgrade' and 'apt-get dist-upgrade' do that automatically. Nope. apt-get upgrade or dist-upgrade wants to upgrade a slew of other packages besides what I want. I dont want to upgrade the entire system. I just want to upgrade privoxy and its dependencies. The ''upgraded'' dependency is not necessarily compatible with all of its dependents. You might need to upgrade one or more of the _other_ dependent packages as well. This can be a real pain to sort out. (just think how many packages depend on libc6!) --rich -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]
On Jun 2, 2006, at 4:14 PM, Steve Lamb wrote: Curt Howland wrote: It hasn't been a republic since at least the time of a large number of people being forced at gun point to become citizens against their will, 1865. Most would also cite when the states lost their representatives in the Federal government. 17th Ammendment, 1913. The idea prior to then was that the Representatives were in Congress to represent the people while the were there to represent the States interests. Now that the Senetors are directly elected by the people they are nothing more than another form of representation for the people. It's kind of why states rights have been trampled on ever since. HEY! The States ratified it--37-1-10. Only Utah (with 0.4% of population) objected. States containing 99.6% of the people either affirmed or accepted the amendment. AL, FL, MS, SC, GA, VA, MD, KY, DE and RI are the abstaining states. They make an interesting set. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]
On May 31, 2006, at 9:39 PM, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: Pascal Hakim wrote: Australian governor-generals are chosen by the prime minister... (including John Kerr), and can be dismissed by the prime minister. Yes, we technically have a race condition at the top of our government. (But finally! An off-topic debian-user politics thread on *Australia*) That is hilarious. I have never heard of a political situation described as a race condition. So, what is the political equivalent of a stack smash or a buffer overflow? The budget? ...waitthat's underflow. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]
On May 31, 2006, at 9:39 PM, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: Pascal Hakim wrote: Australian governor-generals are chosen by the prime minister... (including John Kerr), and can be dismissed by the prime minister. Yes, we technically have a race condition at the top of our government. (But finally! An off-topic debian-user politics thread on *Australia*) That is hilarious. I have never heard of a political situation described as a race condition. So, what is the political equivalent of a stack smash or a buffer overflow? OH!, I missed the obvious---BALLOT STUFFING! Hey, you asked :-) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]
On Jun 1, 2006, at 10:43 AM, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:At least one already. And she wasn't even elected for the two terms she was in office, so she can still serve two more terms. Edith Wilson is dead!
Re: Parallelizing fetchmail
On May 23, 2006, at 11:27 AM, Casey T. Deccio wrote: The queue is a regular MTA mail queue for a system, not a user mailbox or maildir. So there are in fact two mail queues, one for MailScanner, and one for the MTA: 1. The message is received by the incoming MTA and queued in the incoming queue. 2. MailScanner retrieves the message from the incoming queue, scans it, and sends it to the outgoing MTA queue. 3. The outgoing instance of the MTA retrieves the message from the outgoing queue and delivers it accordingly. That's what I thought. However, there still seems to be a piece or two missing. In short, which component provides the queue management? Which component performs the tasks of fetchmail-input_queue and output_queue-procmail? Normally this would be performed by an MTA. But I read Daniele's original post as a desire to avoid using a heavyweight MTA such as exim or sendmail. MailScanner appears to be an elegant solution, but raises some questions: - Can procmail be configured to read and write MailScanner's queues? - Are separate lightweight processes required? If so, where would one find them? Perhaps a qmail component? - Just how MTA dependent is the queue format? Has a standard format been established? If so, where is it articulated? - Is the use of a full-featured MTA unavoidable? And finally, - What's the set of packages that contain all the necessary components? fetchmail + procmail + MailScanner + ??? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Parallelizing fetchmail
On May 22, 2006, at 12:30 PM, Casey T. Deccio wrote: Sorry if this sounds like "install ...", but I've found MailScanner to be helpful for accomplishing this. From 'man MailScanner': [...snip...]It sounds pretty good to me. It replaces all those fetchmail/spamc daemons in my strawman.But I'm confused about the _queue_ directory specified in the man pages. What's its format? Will a maildir suffice?
Re: Parallelizing fetchmail
On May 21, 2006, at 12:52 PM, Daniele Cortesi wrote: Hello *, I recently uninstalled exim on my home pc, replacing it with esmtp for outbound mail and fetchmail-procmail for inbound traffic. Procmail checks every message for spam and viruses, introducing some seconds of latency, mainly because of DNSRBL checks of spamc. The disadvantage of this is that fetchmail launches only one procmail for each message and waits for it termination. This leads to a very long delay when downloading many messages. I can parallely check more than one message with spamd (making it create more childs) but I cannot find a configuration that will speed up with more spamd-child. The bottleneck is always fetchmail that process every message one by one. Have you got any ideas about how to insert a queue in the chain? I can replace procmail with maildrop or similar if necessary. Please avoid solutions like re-install exim or install insert your favourite mta here. How much of a delay are you experiencing? Are these messages all coming through one popbox? Others may have better info, but I don't think you can run fetchmail in parallel--at least not more than one process per user. From man fetchmail Only one daemon process is permitted per user; in daemon mode, fetch-mail makes a per-user lockfile to guarantee this. I do have two ideas though (N.B. may substitute IMAP for POP): A: Set up multiple virtual users fetchm_1,..., fetchm_n all fetching from the same popbox and run a daemon for each of them. I'd be careful though--having multiple processes writing to the same mbox files is probably asking for trouble. B: Use intermediate popboxes as queues--essentially establishing a multi-stage dataflow: 1. fetchmail/procmail to distribute incoming messages to multiple local popboxes (mailq_1, ..., mailq_n) 2. n fetchmail/spamc daemons running on each popbox to filter spam (mailq_i - mailq_nospam_i ) These will run in parallel. 3. 1 fetchmail/procmail daemon to collect and redistribute the messages. This approach will require a pop server on your local machine as well as virtual users for each of the mail_q daemons. I kinda like (B) because: - The queues are explicit. - Distribution can be configured as either a dumb dealer, or a subject /priority sorter. - The spam filtering can be scaled, or off-loaded to another machine. - Distribution and collection processes are disjoint. They _could_ be performed by a single fetchmail daemon. Of course these are just theoretical ruminationsdo you feel lucky? --rich -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mail Issues (pt 2 )
On May 12, 2006, at 11:03 AM, Richard wrote: Thought I would re-explain myself Regarding Mail, What I wanted to do, if possible, is to have the mail fetch from pop3 accounts (several) ( thousands ) avg 2800 per day and have spam filters applied and rules applied, and move into folder, as pure text messages, with header intact. [...snip...] If I understand correctly: A straightforward fetchmail - exim4/spamassassin configuration using Maildir format should handle this without difficulty. I handle ~1K messages per day with just such a setup. I handle the sorting with .forward rules, though I suppose you could also use exim4 pipe/process filters or an external ''delivery agent'' for more sophisticated filtering. (I hope I have the terminology right) I'd first setup and test exim4 and spamassassin, then configure fetchmail to feed exim4 from the popboxes. What you're doing differently is that you're _keeping_ the messages (255K of them) whereas I purge any mailboxes with 10K messages. If you choose to use Maildir, I'd advise that you configure your system to limit the number of messages maintained in a particular directory. I think funny things can happen on ext2 filesystems when directory nodes contain 2^15 entries. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mail Issues (pt 2 )
On May 12, 2006, at 12:53 PM, Ron Johnson wrote:What you're doing differently is that you're _keeping_ the messages (255K of them) whereas I purge any mailboxes with 10K messages. If you choose to use Maildir, I'd advise that you configure your system to limit the number of messages maintained in a particular directory. I think funny things can happen on ext2 filesystems when directory nodes contain 2^15 entries. Really? I've got a directory with 700,000 files in it, and while first-access takes a minute to pull into cache, after that it works fine. $ dir /data/01 total 12148 drwxr-xr-x 6 root root 4096 Oct 16 2005 ./ drwxr-xr-x 4 root root 4096 Oct 16 2005 ../ drwxr-xr-x 7 root root 4096 Oct 4 2005 051003.2352/ drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 49152 Oct 15 2005 lost+found/ drwxrwxr-x 6 me people 4096 Jun 14 2005 share/ drwxrwx--x 259 me me 12345344 Apr 30 15:07 temp/ Hmmm, maybe my info's "old news", or maybe it just applies to # of sub-directories. In any case it's still a caveat that I'd want to see definitively debunked before running the risk of problems on a deployed system.It's be great news if there is no practical limit to files/dir. That 12MB temp/ does give me pause though.
Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]
On May 6, 2006, at 5:11 PM, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: Paul, why do you persist? Infrastructure != education. Those are two completely different things. Without roads, emergency services could not get to you. Without traffic lights and other signage, the roads (which are needed for things like emergency services) would be a public menace. [...snip...] Ah, but education _is_ part of the intellectual and cultural infrastructure we all share. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]
On May 6, 2006, at 4:27 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: On Saturday 06 May 2006 06:55, Andrei Popescu wrote: Why so complicated? Just give people the option to *choose* between public or private SS programs. The same for schooling. If I send my children to a private school I wouldn't have to pay the tax and even get back what I already payed since I started working. That would make public schools compete against private schools. Let's do the same for city streets, the courts, civic buildings, sewer pipes, and traffic lights while we're at it. God knows I rarely to never use any of that crap... LOL, ...The sewers have the literal purpose that your neighbors can avoid using your crap. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]
On May 8, 2006, at 2:22 PM, Steve Lamb wrote: Matthias Julius wrote: To cite the U.S. Constitution (from http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html): , | Section 8 - Powers of Congress | | The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, | Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common | Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, | Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States; ` Thanks for that cite, goes to show another area the Feds are messing up. Uniform taxation... yeah, and what's this with the progressive tax scale? Not very uniform to me. [...snip...] You might want to read the 16th Amendment. (http:// www.usconstitution.net/const.html#Am16).. , | Amendment XVI | | The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without | apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration. ` ...as well as the various court rulings and Congressional Research Service reports. You might find the analysis posted at http:// www.thepriceofliberty.org/04/04/16/greenslade.htm interesting. FWIW, ''uniform'' doesn't mean ''flat''. It just means geographic uniformity for the rules of taxation--i.e. not favoring one state over another. If you're so inclined, you could try to argue _de facto_ non-uniformity--e.g. CT with a higher median income pays higher federal incomde taxes. Good luck on that one, though! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]
On May 4, 2006, at 11:31 AM, Matthias Julius wrote: Isn't better to support a child to live with his/her parents in a stable home environment instead of foster care? Usually, but not always. You might be dealing with an abusive ''stable'' home environment. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]
On May 4, 2006, at 7:03 PM, Curt Howland wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 04 May 2006 17:55, Rich Johnson was heard to say: So move to VT and live closer to your dream. You can even join the ranks of those railing against the flatlanders as you're out looking for dinner. But beware, you'll always be a come here, never a been here. What? That makes no sense what so ever, unless you are trapped into the survivalist cave-dweller image fed to you by Hollywood in the early 1980's. You're talking to one with deep VT roots here--though raised in NY hard by the VT border. Folks do put food on the table using guns.The take on the land I hold there runs ~4-5 bucks/sq mi/ yr. Those ''nuisance'' laws come in handy for off-season pest removal. Tasty too! Only troopers carry handguns. Alas, I'm in Boston most of the time now. It's a different world. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]
On May 2, 2006, at 11:23 PM, Curt Howland wrote: On Tuesday 02 May 2006 22:40, Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] was heard to say: Portland, Oregon is a great argument against privatization of critical infrastructure. For the longest time, it was the poster child of privatization, with Portland General Electric as the local, private, power utility and residential power monopoly... Excuse me, but how can privatization and monopoly be used to refer to the same action? A legally mandated monopoly is hardly privatization, it remains a legal arm of the government. Well, they're pretty much orthogonal terms. Monopoly describes the market structure whereas privatization describes a change in the ownership structure. Changing ownership doesn't necessarily change the market structure. The purchasing company has willingly signed a contract to provide a specific service to the City of Portland. It would only be a legal arm of the gov't if the gov't has seats on the company's governance board (e.g. BPA, TVA, Postal Service, and Port Authority of NYNJ) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]
On May 2, 2006, at 1:01 AM, Matthew R. Dempsky wrote: On Mon, May 01, 2006 at 04:14:08PM -0400, Rich Johnson wrote: O.K. But, your assertion was that Clinton used the military _more_ than the previous _five_ presidents put together. Oh man, you caught him! Having only the _same_ number of deployments as the previous _four_ presidents *completely* changes the argument, right? What a jerk for making such a bogus claim as that! Let's just say that I think his assertion works about as well as Microstofelean arguments for Windoze security. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]
On May 2, 2006, at 2:35 AM, Mike McCarty wrote: Several years ago (like 1988 or so) the US gov't published per capita spending in the public schools by State, along with graduation rates. Interestingly enough, there was a significant correlation between per capita spending and graduation rates. I did the regression analysis myself (my graduate work is in Mathematical Probability and Statistics at the University of Texas at Dallas). Unfortunately for the spend more, get better results crowd, the correlation was negative. OTOH, there is such a thing as practical significance which is different from statistical significance. The correlation was so slight as to be not practially different from zero, though statistically significant. The MA stats (by district) can be found at: http:// finance1.doe.mass.edu/statistics. The page also provides teacher salaries and special ed. expenses. I don't know where one would find similar stats for administrative, transportation, and facilities expenses. A current story on HI (at http://starbulletin.com/2006/04/05/news/ story10.html) schools reports: quoteSpending on teacher salaries was $5,139 per pupil, up from $4,833 the year before. But Hawaii's rank remained the same at 21st in the nation. /quote IOW, ~52% of schooling costs goes towards teacher's salaries. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]
Oh, so the objection is to _dissident_ poltical teaching. Heaven forbid that high school students should be challenged to think and decide for themselves. Uh, no, try again. The problem in this case there was political speech at all during a GEOGRAPHY lesson. In this case it was a 10th or 11th grade class--(hopefully 11th, the student was reported to be 16 yrs old). That would place the class squarely in the History/Geography/Political Geography portion of the curriculum. Do any schools have _separate_ History and Geography classes? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]
On May 2, 2006, at 7:22 AM, Matthias Julius wrote: Roberto C. Sanchez [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [...snip...] If people are concerned about their ability to pay for education individually, they can form co-ops. Basically, you are subsidizing other people's kids going to school. Even if it doesn't bother you, it bothers me. While co-ops might help somewhat I don't think they are the solution. What does it help when a bunch of poor guys form a co-op? They still would not have funds to send their kids to a private school. Maybe they could hire a teacher. What do you think where the quality of that education goes? Do either of you two have any real-world experience with co-ops? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]
On May 2, 2006, at 8:21 AM, Steve Lamb wrote: Rich Johnson wrote: Do any schools have _separate_ History and Geography classes? In my day, yes. You could take History and Geography at the same time? My history politics curriculum was: 9th grade (14yr old students) - ''Geography'' - actually Africa, Asia, India as well as Native American. 10th grade (15yr old students) - World History -- really the history of Western Empires and their wars; from Athens - Berlin. Nothing after 1945 though. 11th grade (16 yr old students) - American History -- emphasis on NY's role, as well as political movements like Manifest Destiny, Abolition, and Universal Suffrage. Nothing after 1945 was covered in class. - Statewide proficiency exam given at the end of the year 12th grade (17 yr old students) - Government (formerly Civics)...finally some discussion of contempory events. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]
On May 2, 2006, at 11:36 AM, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: Rich Johnson wrote: On May 2, 2006, at 7:22 AM, Matthias Julius wrote: Roberto C. Sanchez [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [...snip...] If people are concerned about their ability to pay for education individually, they can form co-ops. Basically, you are subsidizing other people's kids going to school. Even if it doesn't bother you, it bothers me. While co-ops might help somewhat I don't think they are the solution. What does it help when a bunch of poor guys form a co-op? They still would not have funds to send their kids to a private school. Maybe they could hire a teacher. What do you think where the quality of that education goes? Do either of you two have any real-world experience with co-ops? Yes. I have health insurance and insurance on my automobile and my home. Those are all essentially co-ops. Really? Most insurance providers are for-profit ventures --for investor's profit, that is. FWIW, I belong to a small insurance co-op. ~$300/yr per $100K insured wood-frame building. That's ~ 20% cheaper than what I could find for a brick building in a region without co-operative insurance companies. AND I get a refund of ~10% in years when losses are low. What's the biggest patronage refund you've received from your insurance provider? I'd love to find a good co-operative insurance company for auto and health insurance as well, but it's just not available. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]
On May 1, 2006, at 12:18 AM, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: Cybe R. Wizard wrote: The backlash of 9-11 was like Christmas to the conservative military-industrial complex and their puppet congress-critters. All the things they have wanted over the years like more defense spending, less rights for citizens and the ability to run stormtrooper like raids on citizens and eavesdrop on attorney/client converasations came true the morning after. I call it the American public running scared. Cybe R. Wizard You must admit, though, that defense was cut *way back* during the Clinton administration. Not only that, but he deployed the military more in 8 years than something like the previous five or 10 presidents put together. WHAT?! Do you mean more military actions, or more soldiers? 5 presidents goes back to Nixon and covers bombings of Cambodia, Loas, and Libya, as well as various proxy wars and at least one invasion. 10 presidents goes back to FDR, and involves a few _very_ big deployments. What's the tally behind your assertion? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]
On Apr 30, 2006, at 3:26 PM, Steve Lamb wrote: Rich Johnson wrote: ROFLMAO! You're calling for the elimination of History, Citizenship, Government, and even the ''Pledge of Allegiance''. No, there's a difference between teaching those subjects and going off on a political tirade during a Geography lesson: http://www.michellemalkin.com/archives/004689.htm Oh, so the objection is to _dissident_ poltical teaching. Heaven forbid that high school students should be challenged to think and decide for themselves. FWIW, this particular teacher was disciplined, or punished if you prefer. I find it hard to believe that such stuff is a _prevalent_ problem in US high schools--even though it does make for good incendiary copy. There's also examples of teachers failing to teach that Bush II is the 43rd (or 42nd, depending on how you count Cleveland) president. IIRC there was also a principle who came down hard on teachers who put Bush's picture up on the wall as the 43rd President and called it political even though, in spite of their personal beliefs, it is factual. What're the original sources for these stories? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]
On Apr 30, 2006, at 8:37 PM, Curt Howland wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sunday 30 April 2006 15:26, Rich Johnson was heard to say: On Apr 30, 2006, at 2:31 PM, Curt Howland wrote: [...snip...] Your premise is false. The middle class and poor were doing very well indeed without coercive public schooling. [...snip...] That's a bit of an oxymoron. Not in the terms of the discussion. The poor were hardly doing well if they were poor. _How_ well were they doing (in your book, that is)? The discussion is in terms of education. Literacy. The literacy rate of 90%+ prior to compulsory schooling includes poor. Just as the literacy rate of 50%- at this time includes poor. [...snip...] Where do these numbers come from? AFAICT, the 50% number is ~rate of functional literacy of those _without_ a HS diploma or GED. I have no idea what the source of your 90% number is. I was under the impression that in 1840 the overall US literacy rate was about 40%. . The CIA reports US literacy rate is 99% (//www.cia.gov/cia/ publications/factbook/geos/us.html), and if thats what my government says, it must be so, right? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]
On May 1, 2006, at 10:14 AM, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: Quoting Rich Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On May 1, 2006, at 12:18 AM, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: Cybe R. Wizard wrote: The backlash of 9-11 was like Christmas to the conservative military-industrial complex and their puppet congress-critters. All the things they have wanted over the years like more defense spending, less rights for citizens and the ability to run stormtrooper like raids on citizens and eavesdrop on attorney/client converasations came true the morning after. I call it the American public running scared. Cybe R. Wizard You must admit, though, that defense was cut *way back* during the Clinton administration. Not only that, but he deployed the military more in 8 years than something like the previous five or 10 presidents put together. WHAT?! Do you mean more military actions, or more soldiers? 5 presidents goes back to Nixon and covers bombings of Cambodia, Loas, and Libya, as well as various proxy wars and at least one invasion. 10 presidents goes back to FDR, and involves a few _very_ big deployments. What's the tally behind your assertion? http://www.cdi.org/issues/USForces/deployments.html 1975 - 1993: 44 deployments (4 presidents; Ford to Bush) 1993 - 2001: 44 deployments (1 president; Clinton) Now, on exact number of troops I am not certain. Obviously Desert Shield/Desert Storm were huge. Not only that, but more military operations under Clinton were complete debacles because the troops had no sense of purpose. For exmaple, Mogadishu (let's be opportunistic about grabbing these warlords when we were only there to ensure equitable distribution of food) and Bosnia (let's not permit the fighers and bombers to fire unless fired upon, even if they see civilians being exterminated). O.K. But, your assertion was that Clinton used the military _more_ than the previous _five_ presidents put together. Also, the count seems to tally the 8 (or so) humanitarian operations during the Clinton presidency as equivalent to hostile actions initiated under previous presidents. Now, no president has been perfect. But you must also consider that Clinton's 44 deployments were with a military that was something like 1/2 the size of the pre-Gulf War military. So, as a *percentage*, Clinton used the military *way* more than any other president, except maybe going back to maybe to WW2. Another source: http://www.heritage.org/Research/MissileDefense/ BG1394es.cfm They count 10 army operations from 60-91 and 26 from 92-98. Their criteria was outside of normal training and alliance commitments Gotta love that. Having 12 or so soldiers in East Timor for a month or so is equivalent to a 10 year, 543,000 (max) involvement in Vietnam. Size does matter! Note that it's also limited to limited to _Army_, this renders Marine, Navy and Air Force operations invisible. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]
On May 1, 2006, at 12:49 PM, Curt Howland wrote: The CIA reports US literacy rate is 99% (//www.cia.gov/cia/ publications/factbook/geos/us.html), and if thats what my government says, it must be so, right? Your government has said a lot of things that have been demonstrated false. I suggest you find another source to back them up. You sir, are satire impaired! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]
On May 1, 2006, at 4:59 PM, Steve Lamb wrote: Steve Lamb wrote: Rich Johnson wrote: on when I was in high school 10 years ago. Difference here was that a student had the cajones to record him and expose him. Man, wish it were 10 years ago. More like 16. *gasp* I didn't write that. I was in HS 30+ years ago.--just missed the draft; or more properly, it just missed me!. I also knew folks who didn't come home from Vietnam alive. Fortunately my cousin did. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]
On May 1, 2006, at 8:54 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: On Monday 01 May 2006 14:29, Steve Lamb wrote: Matthias Julius wrote: So there are people without children who pay for public education. This means the average parent who has kids in a public school is paying less than what he would have to if he had to pay it all by himself. Yes, because the childless person just doesn't need that money at all. Nope. They exist solely to subsidize the lifestyle choices of those with children. You directly benefit (even without kids) by being surrounded by (relatively) educated people. Just like freeways: While bicycles may be allowed on most of them, odds are bicyclists are paying for miles of urban freeway that is closed to bicycles. Is it fair that people who get around by bicycle on roads that, in many states they have a constitutional right to ride on, have to pay for freeways that you have to earn the priveledge of a driver's license to use? Yes, because odds are they indirectly benefit by the freeway being there by the availability of goods that would otherwise be stuck at the rail depot, seaport, or entirely different city without urban freeways. Er...they also VOTE! I, for one, definitely prefer an educated electorate to an ignorant one. It's kinda' important, even though all indications are that emotional arguments usually win. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]
On Apr 29, 2006, at 11:21 PM, Christopher Nelson wrote: I admit, I made a misjudging--for the *same amount* I'll pay in education taxes over my life. But there's another point. I'm paying those taxes my entire working life, which I sure hope is longer than 12 years that my children will go through public school! It's 13yrs, including K. Don't forget to multiply by the number of children and add in the transportation costs when you do your figuring. You might also want to add the cost of insuring your children's education should your working life be suddenly terminated, whether by accident or employers choice. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]
On Apr 29, 2006, at 10:09 PM, Steve Lamb wrote: Christopher Nelson wrote: That's your right, but unless you can *gaurantee* that I can, for no cost, send my children to a 100% secular school with decent teaching, there is no way I can support abolishing public schools. And if you can gaurantee that, where does the line between public and private come? Uh, why such a high bar? It's like you're getting public schooling for free. They cost in taxes. You, supposedly, pay taxes. Some of the worst public schools are also some of the most highly funded public schools. IE, the most costly. I'm always suspicious of the some of... arguments. They're by definition anecdotal and reek of sampling bias. The Charter School movement is now 10+ years old. How do these privatized schools compare? What are their performance metrics? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ATTN: Barbara Oncay
On Apr 18, 2006, at 5:27 PM, David E. Fox wrote: On Tue, 18 Apr 2006 14:04:34 -0700 Andrew Sackville-West [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think the consensus was that some MUA's show it and some don't but that mostly it was caused by pgp signing. That is a pgp-signed message I surmised that after reading the thread - but ISTR being able to see the signature line fine on those that had GPG signed messages - maybe on another list (therefore using different list management software) - it would display the signature block and then any extra signature lines just fine. I also noticed the signature missing on messages that are in part or in whole HTML. In those cases there's a Text pane and a Attachment(s) pane, but no signature displays on either one. And that is correct MUA behavior, even if it is not the intended _system_ behavior. The unsubscribe signature/footer is either part of the message, or it is not. It is _not_ part of the message when it is sent to the list. The system _intent_ is that the footer be appended and distributed as part of the message. If you look at the raw source of a problem message, regardless of MUA, you'll find that you're looking at a multipart mime message with - 1. a text part, and - 2. one or more attachments (such as a GPG/PGP signature), and - 3. an epilogue containing the unsubscribe message (and, I'll wager it contains nothing else). RFC2046 (see http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2046.txt) is pretty clear on what constitutes the message, and what does not--check out the example at the bottom of page 20. Given that the epilogue is in none of the message parts, it is _not_ part of the message. Since it is not part of the message, conforming MUAs do not display it as part of the message--what other behavior would you expect? IOW, the list _system_ distributes multipart mime messages that are ill-formed for the intent of including the unsubscribe footer. Period. Any fault lies with whatever component appends the footer to the message--it has fumbled the execution of its intent. Period. The MUA is irrelevant, though there are anecdotes of non-conforming MUAs which may mask the fault--if so, that is a double bug. Fingering GPG/PGP as the cause demonstrates the result of sampling bias. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: unsubcribe footer missing [was ATTN: Barbara Oncay]
On Apr 19, 2006, at 8:16 AM, Stephen wrote: On Tue, Apr 18, 2006 at 11:53:49PM -0500 or thereabouts, Matthew R. Dempsky wrote: On Tue, Apr 18, 2006 at 09:13:04PM -0400, Stephen wrote: Interesting. I've seen the unsubscribe footer on pgp signed messages, reading with mutt, on this list -- this thread in fact. Would you mind pointing one out? I just took a look and the only unsubscribe sigs I saw in signed messages were cases where the poster failed to prune his quoting appropriately. Sure; Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Also, your Mail-Followup-To included an address @gmailcom instead of @gmail.com---is this intentional?) No it wasn't, thank-you for pointing this out to me. Huh? It looks to me like the footer was quoted from a _single_ part--i.e. unsigned--message; it is not appended to the signed message. --rich -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ATTN: Barbara Oncay
On Apr 19, 2006, at 2:51 PM, David E. Fox wrote: [...snip...] But *if* doing that makes the signature footer always visible, why not? Obviously one has to way the disadvantage of added bloat (adding signatures this way is going to make for slightly bigger mails) vs. having a defense (there's the signature) against people who just can't figure out how to unsubscribe and send invective the way Ms. Oncay did. Still, I'm skeptical as to whether Ms. Oncay saw or didn't see one. Remember, Ms B.O. was complaining about list traffic _in general_. Whether she saw the footer with the snippy comment or not is beside the point. The footer was certainly there on _at least one_ of the other messages. This bloat issue is interesting. Since all messages would have identical footers, it's a shame that they all couldn't just reference the same one. That would lessen bloat and bandwidth. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ATTN: Barbara Oncay
On Apr 16, 2006, at 12:18 PM, Ken Irving wrote: On Sun, Apr 16, 2006 at 11:39:25AM -0400, Rich Johnson wrote: On Sat, Apr 15, 2006 at 09:17:33AM -0800, Ken Irving wrote: On Sat, Apr 15, 2006 at 12:28:25AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: And, how much screwing around would it be to make the listserver actualy wrap it with the proper mimetype declaration? ... It's probably not so simple, though... ...but then, maybe it is. It looks like all the necessary info is present in the Content-Type header field. If its value starts with multipart then extract its boundary marker declaration and process accordingly. Otherwise append the trailer as before One could also defensively add a clause for Content-Type matches text. I posted a small procmail recipe to do this under debian bug 345283, where this problem had been discussed recently. Cool. They only anticipated this discussion by about 4 months(!). Oh, well. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ATTN: Barbara Oncay
On Apr 15, 2006, at 1:21 PM, Ken Irving wrote: On Sat, Apr 15, 2006 at 09:17:33AM -0800, Ken Irving wrote: On Fri, Apr 14, 2006 at 10:33:58PM -0800, Ken Irving wrote: On Sat, Apr 15, 2006 at 12:28:25AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: And, how much screwing around would it be to make the listserver actualy wrap it with the proper mimetype declaration? The SmartList (used for the debian lists) FAQ ends with: 8.13: Why are MIME and HTML emails a problem for SmartList? ... Body footer: Similar to the previous case, but here the text is injected after the final MIME separator, and so again doesn't belong to any of the MIME message parts. A proper MIME-aware text insertion recipe would have to know how to modify ALL of the text message segments without touching any message segments which contain non-message text data, e.g. attachments. So it looks like it means fixing something, somewhere. SmartList is built around procmail, and formail is used to mung headers and such. I think in general the desire is to keep the email body intact, as received, so little, if any, body munging is done, other than simply appending the debian unsub tagline. I can imagine some procmail perl that would identify a multipart message from the headers, grab the boundary string, and then open the body, seek to the terminating boundary delimiter, and insert another section to include the offending tagline. Any existing epilogue part included in the message would be retained. I think just the boundary lines would be needed (and associated blank lines), as content type and encoding would default to plain text. It's probably not so simple, though... ...but then, maybe it is. It looks like all the necessary info is present in the Content-Type header field. If its value starts with multipart then extract its boundary marker declaration and process accordingly. Otherwise append the trailer as before One could also defensively add a clause for Content-Type matches text. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ATTN: Barbara Oncay
On Apr 14, 2006, at 8:54 PM, Ken Irving wrote: On Fri, Apr 14, 2006 at 07:33:58PM -0400, Rich Johnson wrote: On Apr 14, 2006, at 6:22 PM, Ken Irving wrote: [...snip...] ...for rfc2046 messages. My understanding is that all MUAs should show the trailer when handling unencapsulated rfc822 messages. IANAL, nor particularly versed in RFCs, but it looks to me like RFC 2046 and neighbors (in several parts) lay out the recommendations for MIME messages. The debian unsubscribe sig does appear on non-MIME messages (non-rfc2046?) on my MUA (mutt), but are correctly not shown in MIME encoded ones since they fall into the epilogue section. I can't find anything relevant on unencapsulated rfc822; can you provide any references? Sorry for the confusion. In retrospect, I probably should have referred to ''rfc822 messages with unencapsulated bodies''. I was referring to rfc822's specification for encapsulating the message header data, but not its body. Rfc2046 provides additional specification for encapsulating the message body.From a class perspective rfc2046 messages can be viewed as a subclass/specialization of rfc822 messages. For example--this message. It conforms to rfc822, but not rfc2046, because the body is not encapsulated. N.B. If I had added _any_ attachment, my MUA would've sent a rfc2046 message instead. P.S. by now I sure hope that Barbara Oncay is no longer subscribed :-) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ATTN: Barbara Oncay
On Apr 14, 2006, at 3:26 PM, Steve Lamb wrote: Doofus wrote: Since one of the points of this thread seems to be to highlight the incidences of people blithely advising do as it says at the bottom of the post to other people who evidently can't see anything at the bottom of the post, then to argue oh yes it is there as long as you know which spells and incantations to cast in order to see it seems to me to be unfairly bogging down the novice with unhelpful pedantics. Especially when the kind of person incapable of unsubscribing from a mailing list is unlikely to even know what you're talking about when you tell them to view the raw message. Point is that there is a different condition between it being there and the client failing to show it. How? Because if it wasn't there *NO* client would show it. Just because one, or a few, clients don't show it doesn't mean all don't show it. It's called being precise in reporting problems. -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your PGP Key: 8B6E99C5 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. --- +- I'm using a different reader altogether and I sometimes see the unsubscribe annotation and sometimes I don't. The difference correlates perfectly with whether the message is multipart mime(rfc1341), or not.--it does not appear whenever the sender mails a multi-part message. For example you _WON'T_ see it with Steve's messages as illustrated above; you _WILL_ see it with this message (I hope). Taking a brief look at the specs, but not enough to grok them: I suspect that the problem is that the notice is tacked on _after_ the attachments---essentially turning the notice into an epilog'' i without a content-type/i rather than either: (a) placing it within the first text part; or (b) attaching it as a well-formed part. Since it's an ill-formed part, it's properly ignored. Bottom line: I suspect the problem lies with the mechanism used to append the message. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ATTN: Barbara Oncay
On Apr 14, 2006, at 6:22 PM, Ken Irving wrote: On Fri, Apr 14, 2006 at 04:04:53PM -0400, Rich Johnson wrote: [...snip...] Taking a brief look at the specs, but not enough to grok them: I suspect that the problem is that the notice is tacked on _after_ the attachments---essentially turning the notice into an epilog'' i without a content-type/i rather than either: (a) placing it within the first text part; or (b) attaching it as a well-formed part. Since it's an ill-formed part, it's properly ignored. Good analysis! rfc2046 seems to supersede 1341, but says the same thing wrt epilog(ue) parts, including: The boundary delimiter line following the last body part ... indicates that no further body parts will follow. ... Presumably clients that do show the unsub sig are not RFC compliant, and the ones that are failing to show it are compliant. [...snip...] ...for rfc2046 messages. My understanding is that all MUAs should show the trailer when handling unencapsulated rfc822 messages. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ATTN: Barbara Oncay
On Apr 14, 2006, at 5:55 PM, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: On Fri, Apr 14, 2006 at 04:04:53PM -0400, Rich Johnson wrote: On Apr 14, 2006, at 3:26 PM, Steve Lamb wrote: Doofus wrote: Since one of the points of this thread seems to be to highlight the incidences of people blithely advising do as it says at the bottom of the post to other people who evidently can't see anything at the bottom Especially when the kind of person incapable of unsubscribing from a mailing list is unlikely to even know what you're talking about when you tell them to view the raw message. Taking a brief look at the specs, but not enough to grok them: I suspect that the problem is that the notice is tacked on _after_ the attachments---essentially turning the notice into an epilog'' i without a content-type/i rather than either: (a) placing it within the first text part; or (b) attaching it as a well-formed part. Since it's an ill-formed part, it's properly ignored. Bottom line: I suspect the problem lies with the mechanism used to append the message. The above sums it up nicely, IMHO. To wit: We get a lot of annoying mail from people who can't figure out how to unsubscribe from the list. Although there is clear information appended to every message describing how to unsubscribe, that information is not reliably displayed in every message due to a variety of factors. Perhaps a better method of providing the unsubscribe instructions would be in order. I suggest a fully formed text attachment entitled: Debian-user Subscription Instructions or something to that effect. And as a matter of being a friendly list, we should make better efforts to provide clear unsubscribe instructions in recognition of the fact that some people just won't see them otherwise. ...taking care that unencapsulated body text (old-school rfc822 messages) is encapsulated...right? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Definitely inappropriate emails (was Re: How to pick up on anything)
On Apr 1, 2006, at 3:37 PM, Ron Johnson wrote: On Sat, 2006-04-01 at 12:20 -0800, Hex Star wrote: Ok fine...but FYI there's conflicting posts on this list...some people are saying off topic posts are welcome and fine on this list...yet others say it's not OK and to stop...so confusing...:-( The controlling factor here is 100KB. ...which takes about 1 min to download on a noisy POTS line; and yes they do still exist. It's the only ''universal'' service. 1 minute bandwidth per spam is w-a-a-a-y too much. Recommended netiquette would be to keep the humorous OT comments short; 1K. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
...the public key is not available
Hi folks-- When I run apt-get update, I get W: GPG error: http://ftp.us.debian.org testing Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 010908312D230C5F W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems on one machine, but not the other. The machine which fails leaves a *testing_Release.gpg file in /var/ lib/apt/lists.partial. AFAICT, this file is identical to the *testing_Release.gpg file that the other machine successfully downloads. Both machines have the same architecture and download identical *testing_Release files. Does anyone have any insight as to what might be happening here? Thnx, --rich -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Am I being attacked? Domain name and DNS server problem
On Mar 18, 2006, at 4:55 PM, Robert MannI wrote: This is most likely the wrong list, but I can't find a linux security list and this is a little bit urgent! Maybe someone off this list can give me some pointers. Probably. My client has a domain. When I ping the domain, it resolves to the IP address of the dedicated server he is hosting on. But then, when I try to resolve the ip address back to a domain, using either host xx.xx.xx.xx on mac os x, or /usr/bin/resolveip xx.xx.xx.xx on linux, the ip address is resolved to a domain name that is a little bit suspicious. [...snip...] ANY pointers would be helpful. We're a little bit desperate as support of our hosting companies wasn't very helpful, so I thought I'd ask here, since, IMO, this smells a little bit. Check out www.dnsstuff.com for a web i/f to some dns diagnostics. dig is also quite useful on both MacOS and linux. My only other comment would be: How _sure_ are you that it's a dedicated server? Have you visited it? What you're describing sure looks like a virtual host config. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Virtual Hosts/Domains
Folks up for a discussion of a ''canonical'' implementation of
virtual hosts and/or domains?
(Assuming this is a proper forum, of course)
I've been a frequent visitor to these fora (and others) as I've
wrestled with supporting virtual domains for exim, squirrelmail,
apache2, mailman, and so on.From my experiences i have the
impression that there exists a ''debian way''' (debian space?) of
addressing the problem and regularizing some of the solutions. Are
folks up for hashing out some ideas?
A strawman:
Assume a package ''vdomain'' for establishing and managing the
framework such as:
- domain roots (e.g. VDR=/var/vdomains/domain.tld) for domain
specific data
- virtual domain configuration for a machine (/etc/vdomains)
mapping services to virtual hosts.
- domain specific configurations kept int $VDR/etc
- init.d and cron.d hooks for virtual domain services (mailman,
ftp, etc.)
- hooks to bring virtual hosts and/or services up and/or down,
Assume related services/packages, such as
- vdomain-chroot - establishing chroot jails for real-user
domainmasters/webmasters/postmasters; according to the services of
the domain.
- vdomain-apache2 - utilities for hooking virtual hosts into both
bind/DNS and /etc/apache, along with template host.conf files.
- vdomain-exim - providing routers; transports; alias mgmt and/or
aliases and/or mail storage for virtual users within the ''vdomain''
structures
- vdomain-imap; vdomain-squirrelmail ditto
maybe even:
- vdomain-net - additional utilities for virtual domain with 1 IP
address (www.vdom.tld != smtp.vdom.tld != ns.vdom.tld)
- vdomain-webmin?
FWIW, a ready-to-wear ''virtual-webmail'' package could be assembled
from the set {vdomain, vdomain-apache2, vdomain-exim4, and vdomain-
squirrelmail}
Does such a framework sound promising or wacko?
Other comments/suggestions?
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Re: SSH attack
On Oct 3, 2005, at 1:57 AM, Jared Hall wrote: It looks like I am being rooted right now. How do I toss this guy off of my system. [...snip...] I can't shut down ssh because that's my only connection to the system. [a bit late to the party, but...] Yes you can. You can repel an active SSH attack using: sudo /etc/init.d/ssh stop to shut down sshd and prevent _new_ sessions. Existing sessions, including the one you're using, will remain active as you examine the situation. When you're satisfied you can restart the sshd. BUT BEWARE! If you start killing sessions make sure you don't kill yourself. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: debian op ppc6500/300 -- translation
On Jul 9, 2005, at 2:49 PM, Hendrik Boom wrote: Approximate translation below! -- hendrik On Sat, Jul 09, 2005 at 06:32:45PM +0200, sam heijens wrote: welke versie van debian werkt op een (apple) ppc 6500/300, ik vond op een lijst dat dit een 'old world mac' is en dat deze normaal debian zou moeten kunnen draaien. Wat is de maximale versie die ik kan draaien hierop? What version of Debian runs on an (Apple) ppc 6500/300, I discovered on a list that this is an 'old-world mac' and that this should be able to run Debian normally. What is tha maximum version that will run on it? Why, the most recent one, of course :-). I run sarge on an OldWorld 8500 just fine. It also runs just fine on my Performa 6116 (pre-PPC). Installation questions should be posted to the debian-powerpc list. --rich -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: An advantage of Debian (from securitypipeline.com)
On Saturday, November 13, 2004, at 11:28 AM, Carl Fink wrote: According to one firm, Linux is less secure than Windows, but the criticism doesn't appear to apply to Debian. http://www.securitypipeline.com/52601025 I saw this too. I make no claim to being a 'competent system administrator' for my systems. I currently have 900 or so packages installed and can't keep up with all of them. Is there any sort of security-survey package to scan configs and versions to report vulnerabilties? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Login Shell/Profile: Stop the Madness
On Thursday, June 17, 2004, at 01:14 AM, Michael B Allen wrote: So all we have to do is detect when a user is logging in and exec their default shell with the login option. Debian does that when you ssh in or login on the console but not when you login with X. Say WHAT! I didn't catch it before, but isn't this a violation of abstraction? The mechanism used for collecting credentials should have absolutely no effect on the login environment. It shouldn't matter whether you login via the console, xdm, gdm, swipe a ID card, touch a fingerprint reader, or wave a magic wand. A user, if s/he desires, should be able to login via xdm and be presented with a console. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
PCI-modem setup problems
Hi folks-- I'm trying to add a modem to a Dell Precision 410 running debian testing on top of Linux 2.2.6 One think I can't figure out is its device--/dev/ttyS??. lspci -vv reports: :00:10.0 Serial controller: 5610 56K FaxModem 56K FaxModem Model 5610 (rev 01) (prog-if 02 [16550]) Subsystem: 5610 56K FaxModem: Unknown device baba Control: I/O+ Mem- BusMaster- SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- Stepping- SERR+ FastB2B- Status: Cap+ 66MHz- UDF- FastB2B- ParErr- DEVSEL=medium TAbort- TAbort- MAbort- SERR- PERR- Interrupt: pin A routed to IRQ 19 Region 0: I/O ports at dcd8 Capabilities: [dc] Power Management version 2 Flags: PMEClk- DSI- D1- D2+ AuxCurrent=0mA PME(D0+,D1-,D2+,D3hot+,D3cold-) Status: D0 PME-Enable- DSel=0 DScale=2 PME- How do I verify that I gen'd the kernel with the appropriate driver? Did I miss a module? Should I worry about that Unknown device baba? and setserial /dev/ttyS0 reports /dev/ttyS0, UART: unknown, Port: 0x03f8, IRQ: 4 Did I miss a driver here? Thanks, --rich -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
phpgroupware doesn't install
I just tried installing phpgroupware for the first time. apt-get/dpkg asked all the questions and apparently exited without setting things up. No phpgroupware was added to the MySQL databases. No references to /etc/phpgroupware/apache.conf were added to /etc/apache/httpd.conf What gives? Where did the process go off the rails? I couldn't find anything in the mailing archives. Thanks, --rich -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Secure CVS (cvs ssh chroot jail)
I'd like to set up a secure CVS server hopefully for support for virtual users. So far all I've been able to find are the CVS/SSH Howtos which require a fair bit of manual configuration. Are there no .debs for a secure CVS? Anyone working on one? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ooh! debian jewelry
On Thursday, December 11, 2003, at 12:43 AM, ScruLoose wrote: On Wed, Dec 10, 2003 at 05:37:01PM -0700, Monique Y. Herman wrote: I just found this ... and want it ... bad. Thought some of you might find it of interest: http://www.linuxjewellery.com/catalogue/DBV/ That's pretty sweet. Geek chic to a whole new level! ...for a chic geek! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: debian on a mac?
On Wednesday, October 15, 2003, at 10:41 PM, Ron Johnson wrote: Apple hasn't made a 68K Mac since, oh, 1995. The thing now is the differences between G3, G4 G5, and that early G3 Macs still used the NuBus, and thus won't run Linux. A bit off topic, but... Not quite. The last NuBus Macs were the 8100 series (Cold Fusion) with a 601 processor. These were followed by the 8500 series(Nitro) with a 603 processor and PCI. All G3, G4 G5 Macs use PCI. If you're interested, you can find the gory details at http:www.everymac.com. BTW, I'm happily running debian on two macs, an 8500 (PCI) and a 6400(NuBus). Nothing like running a server on a box with a $30 street value. My major cost is the electricity :-) --rich -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: fetchmail
On Tuesday, October 14, 2003, at 03:18 AM, Joyce, Matthew wrote: I'm using Fetchmail and have a fetchmailrc in etc. Fetchmail starts and syslog show my messages being gathered. the problem is the messages do not end up in my home Maildir (courier-imap), they end up in spool somewhere. Any ideas ? I've clearly missed something important. I have a few virtual domains and needed to specify the domain to the user statement--i.e. user 'rjohnson' there ... is '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' here Fetchmail just hands the messages to your local MTA--exim being the debian default. Your mailer's log should tell you what's happening. Wherever the fetched mail goes, local mail should go to the same place. --rich -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Help with virtual redirect for apache, apache-ssl, squirrelmail
On Sunday, August 31, 2003, at 05:17 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I apt-getted apache, apache-ssl, and squirrelmail, all working fine for my domain. I now need help setting up a virtual redirect so users going to http://mail.ehrlichtronics.com will be redirected to https://mail.ehrlichtronics.com/squirrelmail What do I need to change in apache.conf of squirrelmail and/or apache[-ssl] to allow this to work? Thanks in advance. I'm not sure of the details of your configuration, But I've found using virtual hosts to be pretty straight forward. I'm set up so that webmail and www are the same machine and have had no problems. Check out Section 3: Virtual Hosts in your apache config file. installation specific details shown below include: domain: dogstar-interactive.com ip-address: 64.205.252.227 mailhost: webmail squirrel mail directory: /usr/share/squirrelmail 1. load mod_dir enabled for directory indices and libphp4 for squirrelmail LoadModule dir_module /usr/lib/apache/1.3/mod_dir.so LoadModule php4_module /usr/lib/apache/1.3/libphp4.so 2. enable virtual hosting. NameVirtualHost 64.205.252.227 3. set up a virtual host for squirrelmail (interpret index.php as directory) VirtualHost 64.205.252.227 ServerAdmin [EMAIL PROTECTED] DocumentRoot /usr/share/squirrelmail/ ErrorLog /var/log/apache/webmail.dogstar-interactive.com-error.log CustomLog /var/log/apache/webmail.dogstar-interactive.com-access.log common ServerName webmail.dogstar-interactive.com IfModule mod_dir.c DirectoryIndex index.php /IfModule /VirtualHost 4. restart apache. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
what's this log entry indicate?
Folks-- Recently I've been noticing apache log entries like the following: 218.94.83.20 - - [14/Aug/2003:22:47:01 -0400] GET http://www.intel.com/ HTTP/1.1 200 1357 What's going on here? That's a pretty strange file path for my server. It looks like an attempt to use my server as an HTTP relay. Despite the 200 response I don't think it worked--my index page (/) happens to be 1357 bytes long. Also, does anyone have poiners for setting up apache to return either 403 or 404 for such malformed page paths. Thanks, --rich -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] SCO is going all out now
On Tuesday, July 22, 2003, at 12:32 AM, Brian McGroarty wrote: SCO has made no claims against the 2.2 kernels. If worst comes to worst and SCO finally show some incriminating code in 2.4, stepping back to 2.2 until the relevant bits are purged from 2.4 is all anyone should need to do to cover their assets in countries where this becomes an issue. InformationWeek ( in http://www.informationweek.com/story/ showArticle.jhtml?articleID=12801004) reports: SCO Group claims that Unix has been used to accelerate the development of Linux in two key ways--line-by-line copying of Unix System V source code into the Linux kernel and copying derivative Unix code that enables multiprocessing capabilities. I have no multiple processor machines. Why on earth would I be pay a penny to license multiprocessing capabilities which I can't use? I guess I'll be going back to 2.2 until this nonsense blows oversigh. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Need help with KDE/KDM
I can't log on through kdm_greet. All I see is a momentary loss of video signal then the login screen comes back. Has anyone else seen this? Where should I look for diagnostic info? Some other, possibly relevant informaion is: The system is a brand new, from scratch stable/woody installation. syslog, kdm.log, and XFree86.0.log don't show any errors indicating the failure. /var/log/auth.log shows: Jun 23 10:03:35 darkstar PAM_unix[5999]: (kdm) session opened for user rich by (uid=0) Jun 23 10:03:35 darkstar PAM_unix[5999]: (kdm) session closed for user rich startx from the command line will yield an X session. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Need help with KDE/KDM
On Monday, June 23, 2003, at 02:24 PM, David Z Maze wrote: Rich Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I can't log on through kdm_greet. All I see is a momentary loss of video signal then the login screen comes back. That symptom sounds very much like you're successfully logging in, whatever your X session is runs to completion, and you automatically log out. Do you have a .xsession file, and if so, does it wait for some long-running process (typically a window manager or session manager) to finish? What kdm session are you using? Thanks. This I can believe. But then why would startx behave differently? Wouldn't it still yield the default single console window you get when you run startx without a .xinitrc? I've tried all three session types (default, kde3, failsafe) and there's no change in behavior. I've tried both modifying .xsession and .xinitrc files, and there's no change in behavior. (.xsession and .xinit are identical) I get the same behavior whether I login as root or a normal user. In neither case does it appear to run .xsession For reference, I'm using a stubby little .xinitrc/.xsession: #! /bin/sh echo `date`: start X session /tmp/xtrace xconsole -geometry 528x70+0+0 kde3 echo `date`: end X session /tmp/xtrace I assume that .xsession is not running because /tmp/xtrace is left untouched. --rich -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
using Drac (or equiv) with Courier-IMAP, Exim
Hi folks-- Does anyone have experience using drac with courier-imap and exim? Or, is there some other recommended solution to allow relaying from imap clients. I'm not thrilled with the prospect of patching and recompiling courier-imap. I'd much rather rely on the prepackaged .debs. (Debian has me completely spoiled). Thanks, --rich -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
How to isolate bad blocks/sectors?
The following is _reliably_ reported to the syslog every time I run
parted /dev/hdg print
Apr 6 11:44:36 creaky kernel: hdg: read_intr: status=0x59 { DriveReady
SeekComplete DataRequest Error }
Apr 6 11:44:36 creaky kernel: hdg: read_intr: error=0x40 {
UncorrectableError }, LBAsect=16778710, sector=16778710
Apr 6 11:44:36 creaky kernel: end_request: I/O error, dev 22:00 (hdg),
sector 16778710
parted goes on to report:
Disk geometry for /dev/hdg: 0.000-42934.992 megabytes
Disk label type: mac
MinorStart End Filesystem Name Flags
1 0.000 0.031 Apple
2 0.031 0.057 Macintosh
3 0.058 0.093 Macintosh
4 0.094 0.191 Macintosh
5 0.191 0.441 Macintosh
6 0.441 0.691 Patch Partition
7 0.691 4096.691 hfs MC_Kits
8 4096.691 8192.691 hfs Linux_Kits
9 8192.691 12288.691 hfs Delivery
10 12288.691 16384.691 hfs Development
11 16384.691 29384.691 ext2linux_dev_1
12 29384.691 42934.987 ext2linux_dev_2
Information: Don't forget to update /etc/fstab, if necessary.
My questions are:
- Where on the disk does this bad sector lie? partition table proper?
file system tables? data region?
- How can I isolate this bad sector?
Getting a disk error when reading the partition table makes me more than
a little nervous.
FWIW: the following commands yield the syslog errors:
-
parted /dev/hdg9 print
Apr 6 12:13:42 creaky kernel: hdg: read_intr: status=0x59 { DriveReady
SeekComplete DataRequest Error }
Apr 6 12:13:42 creaky kernel: hdg: read_intr: error=0x40 {
UncorrectableError }, LBAsect=16778710, sector=78
Apr 6 12:13:42 creaky kernel: end_request: I/O error, dev 22:09 (hdg),
sector 78
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parted /dev/hdg11 print
Apr 6 12:16:55 creaky kernel: invalidate: busy buffer
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parted /dev/hdg12 print
Apr 6 12:18:58 creaky kernel: invalidate: busy buffer
Apr 6 12:18:58 creaky last message repeated 21 times
Apr 6 12:18:58 creaky kernel: attempt to access beyond end of device
Apr 6 12:18:58 creaky kernel: 22:0c: rw=0, want=13875504, limit=13875503
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Thanks,
--rich
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decrufting system files (e.g. GNOME files)
Hi folks-- I'm trying to clean out extraneous and old files from the system directories. I have some scripts to short out which files are known to the current Debian configuration and which are not. Many of the are not files came from earlier versions of currently installed packages. For exmample: /etc/CORBA/servers/gdict.gnorba /etc/CORBA/servers/stripchart-applet.gnorba were delivered with gnome-utils 1.4.1.2-4 but are not part of my currently installed current gnome-utils 2.2.0.3-1. As a rule, can old such old conffiles be removed without causing too much trouble? I have ~450 of these cluttering /etc. Thanks --rich -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Disaster recovery
I kept digging; here's a script reporting modified .conf files.
dpkg-query -W --showformat='${conffiles}\n' | gawk '{print $2 $1}'
| md5sum -c
It's only a partial solution, but it helps and resolves (2) below.
Rich Johnson wrote:
Yeah, this works, but it's not quite what I want. I'd like the deltas
between the default installation and my installation. Although disaster
recovery is my primary objective, the list of deltas can also be used
for other things, including:
- problem resolution - i.e. what's non-standard about a particular system.
- review and justification of each delta.
- security - compare two config deltas for unexpected changes.
- clean up.
Since apt-get/dpkg
(a) knows about the .conf files
(b) knows the default .conf.
(c) upgrade detects deltas and queries what to do about the situation
I thought there might be some way to report the set of deltas.
The files in /etc fall into for categories
1. default .conf files from installed .debs.
2. non-default .conf files from installed .debs
3. old .conf files from removed .debs; failed installations, etc.
4. other files; typically user installed.
. . .
--rich
Alvin Oga wrote:
hi ya
On Thu, 27 Feb 2003, Rich Johnson wrote:
Hi folks--
...
Is there a way to list the _non-default_, or modified, .conf files
required to transferd/or restore a configuration?
Files like:
- krb5.conf;
- httpd.conf
- timezone
- cron.d files
- bind files
I already maintain the list of packages (dpkg --get-selections) but
that only yields a default configuration.
i put all conf files in /etc not in /var/* etc.etc..
and backup of the server's conf ( /etc ) fits on a floppy
c ya
alvin
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Re: Repartitioning/Reinstalling
In any case, I am done with my rants. If you want to repartition without reinstalling post a message here. By the way, don't ever forget the backups, and experiment with doing a selective restore, if not a full one, before you embark on making major changes to your system. Good luck! Well, there are a couple of things here. Of course they're all over the map. 1. I didn't say I _wanted_ to re-install, although I did say I was _planning_ to reinstall. And yes, I have gone a long way playing games with fdisk, fstab and tar. 2. This machine is dual-boot Old World Mac. The time is approaching when I'm going to punt the Mac partitions. I'm not ready to bite that bullet just yet, but I'd like to be prepared. This machine has a lot of cruft on it. Mac OS7 through 9.x; LinuxPPC at one time, and now Debian. I have the feeling it would be easier to re-install than to tease out the cruft. 3. Disaster recovery is not always fix and restore backup. Over the years I've seen it result in: replacing disks - which usually have a different size. replaceing memory - with the opportunity to add more and resize swap. replacing the entire machine - which may involve an architecture change. 4. fdisk and its ilk make me nervous. I do not like using them without being prepared to re-install everything. 5. Replication - Some of my clients require a roll-out plan--or how to generate a viable server from raw hardware. It's probably another thread but, Debian has a compelling story: a. almost rock solid - certainly more solid than any public M$ offerings. b. runs on any hardware - no need to manage/locate vendor specific drivers and disks. c. standard set of boot disks for a particular architecture. d. add packages - but I'm a bit fuzzy on how to specify and automate thi step. e. painless upgrade path. --rich -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: SCSI Tape Device
curtis wrote: Has anyone had a similar problem. While I was under 2.2 kernel my scsi tape drive worked fine. After upgrading to 2.4, however, I can't seem to get it to install or detect my scsi drive no matter what. Any ideas? Curtis -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] What's your SCSI I/F H/W? It's a shot in the dark, but... When I upgraded to 2.4.17 tar started hanging my system. It turned out that SCSI disconnects aren't supported for the external SCSI on the Mac 8500. Things worked fine when backing up the internal disks, but the system hung when backing up the outboard disks. A workaround was to reconfigure--I put all disks on the internal SCSI and isolatied the tape drive on the external SCSI. --rich -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Repartitioning/Reinstalling
Folks-- Its time to repartition my disks. The plan is to: 1. Put all the user data I want to keep onto tape 2. Install debian from scratch (including repartition) 3. Restore .deb package database 4. Re-fetch current .debs 5. Restore user data and configuration data. My questions are: Is this feasable? How do I do Steps 34? Which /var/lib or /var/cache files do I need to save for the new installation? Which commands do I need to read-up on to effect the re-installation of the .debs? Thanks, --rich -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
libmng dependency tangle
I tried installing mozilla with disastrous results. It refused to install because of the libmng dependency shown below. Now KDE refuses to start up due to Why won't apt-get/dpkg acknowlege the already installedpackage libmng1 (v 1.0.3-3)? Why won't dpkg --purge libmng remove an uninstalled package? I can only purge items which are in use!!? Is the rationale for this non-intuitive behavior published anywhere? And most importantly, how do I get out of this mess? Thanks --rich -- Script started on Sun Feb 17 15:51:54 2002 creaky:~# apt-get install mozilla You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these: Sorry, but the following packages have unmet dependencies: ksysctrl: Depends: libmng (= 0.9.3-0) but it is not going to be installed ktimemon: Depends: libmng (= 0.9.3-0) but it is not going to be installed libqt2.2: Depends: libmng (= 0.9.3-0) but it is not going to be installed mozilla: Depends: libelfg0 but it is not going to be installed Depends: libnspr4 (= M18-3) but it is not going to be installed E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution). creaky:~# apt-get --f install Correcting dependencies... Done The following extra packages will be installed: libmng The following NEW packages will be installed: libmng 0 packages upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded. 16 packages not fully installed or removed. Need to get 0B/118kB of archives. After unpacking 418kB will be used. Do you want to continue? [Y/n] y (Reading database ... 22636 files and directories currently installed.) Unpacking libmng (from .../libmng_0.9.3-0.potato.3_powerpc.deb) ... dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libmng_0.9.3-0.potato.3_powerpc.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/libmng.la', which is also in package libmng1 Errors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/libmng_0.9.3-0.potato.3_powerpc.deb E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) creaky:~# Script done on Sun Feb 17 15:52:54 2002
Re: libmng dependency tangle
Martin Wuertele wrote: Hi Rich! On Sun, 17 Feb 2002, Rich Johnson wrote: (Reading database ... 22636 files and directories currently installed.) Unpacking libmng (from .../libmng_0.9.3-0.potato.3_powerpc.deb) ... dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libmng_0.9.3-0.potato.3_powerpc.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/libmng.la', which is also in package libmng1 Errors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/libmng_0.9.3-0.potato.3_powerpc.deb E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) as you see there is a problem overwriting /usr/lib/libmng.la. if you're shure you don't break anything you might try dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/libmng_0.9.3-0.potato.3_powerpc.deb or, if you want to be on the save side, get the sources for ksysctrl, ktimemon, libqt2.2 and compile them or get newer versions compiled agains libmng 1.0.3-1 Ah, I'm beginning to understand how this stuff works. Since my target is to run on woody and I needed sid for a working xserver/kde kit (for an old-world powermac), I think I'll go down the recompilation route. Thanks!
Re: Need help setting up Xserver
Elizabeth Barham wrote: Rich Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hey folks-- I need some help setting up an Xserver on an older Mac. The machine is a stock PowerMac 8500 with 172MB memory and has a clean woody install. Does anyone have an XFree86Config for this such a machine? There's likely to be other stuff which needs tweaking as well. Thanks-- --rich Hi Rich, I run a powermac clone, the Motorola StarMax 3000/160. I installed potato but the kernel is 2.4.17 with mac_hid. Here is some of my XF86Config: snip Thanks E.! It had enough hints to get me to the grey screen with a working cursor. The biggest hints were: device driver fbdev mouse protocol IMPS/2 setting color depth (16bpp for my VRAM) But, I'm not out of the woods yet. startx reports a number of errors: Things seem to run fine until FBDev(0): Backing store disabled. Then 1) there are 64 ioctl FBIOPUTCMAP: Function not implemented messages 2) FBDev(0): DPMS enabled 3) the dreaded PEXExtensionInit: Couldn't open default PEX font file Roman_M 4) several messages related to mouse startup 5) final message is Couldn't load XKB keymap, falling back to pre-XKB keymap Anyone have any ideas on how to resolve these? I should note that gdm had some installation problems. I got a dpkg error but a subsequent dpkg --config -a appeared to complete successfully. Thanks again, --rich
Re: Need help setting up Xserver
Günter Knab wrote: On Tue, Feb 12, 2002 at 06:06:39PM -0500, Rich Johnson wrote: I need some help setting up an Xserver on an older Mac. *snipped** May be 'xf86config' works for you if your hardware is in the database. There were no obvious choices for keyboard (ADB, macintosh-extended); mouse( ADB, single button with 3-button emulation); or monitor (MicroElectronics P766DU). That's 3 strikes, so All is not lost, E. Barham sent me snippets of her config, so I've gotten to the next step.
Need help setting up Xserver
Hey folks-- I need some help setting up an Xserver on an older Mac. The machine is a stock PowerMac 8500 with 172MB memory and has a clean woody install. Does anyone have an XFree86Config for this such a machine? There's likely to be other stuff which needs tweaking as well. Thanks-- --rich
Re: Where'd as go?
Colin Watson wrote: On Fri, Feb 08, 2002 at 01:34:15PM -0500, Rich Johnson wrote: I've got a new powerpc woody system up and running, but I cant compile because ...cannot exec 'as': No such file or directory. Contents-powerpc tells me the assember should be part of devel/binutils. I've installed binutils-2.11.92.0.12.3-6 but still no as. I've checked binutils_2.11.92.0.12.3-6_powerpc.deb, and it does indeed contain /usr/bin/as. This wouldn't be something screwing up $PATH, perhaps? I must be missing something here: - $PATH looks fine - /usr/bin/as does not exist. - dpkg -S /usr/bin/asreports: dpkg: /usr/bin/as not found - dpkg -L binutils lists no executables, only doc, man and locale entries--see below. - I've installed/uninstalled, purged, removed and manually deleted and refetched the binutils...deb--all with the same result. Any help would be appreciated. dpkg -L binutils reports: /. /usr /usr/share /usr/share/doc /usr/share/doc/binutils /usr/share/doc/binutils/gas /usr/share/doc/binutils/gas/NEWS.gz /usr/share/doc/binutils/gas/ChangeLog.gz /usr/share/doc/binutils/gprof /usr/share/doc/binutils/gprof/TODO /usr/share/doc/binutils/gprof/ChangeLog.linux /usr/share/doc/binutils/gprof/TEST /usr/share/doc/binutils/gprof/bbconv.pl /usr/share/doc/binutils/gprof/ChangeLog.gz /usr/share/doc/binutils/ld /usr/share/doc/binutils/ld/NEWS.gz /usr/share/doc/binutils/ld/TODO /usr/share/doc/binutils/ld/ChangeLog.linux /usr/share/doc/binutils/ld/ChangeLog.gz /usr/share/doc/binutils/bfd /usr/share/doc/binutils/bfd/PORTING /usr/share/doc/binutils/bfd/TODO /usr/share/doc/binutils/bfd/ChangeLog.gz /usr/share/doc/binutils/bfd/ChangeLog.linux.gz /usr/share/doc/binutils/NEWS.gz /usr/share/doc/binutils/ChangeLog.linux /usr/share/doc/binutils/copyright /usr/share/doc/binutils/ChangeLog.gz /usr/share/doc/binutils/test-summary.gz /usr/share/doc/binutils/changelog.Debian.gz /usr/share/info /usr/share/man /usr/share/man/man1 /usr/share/man/man1/ar.1.gz /usr/share/man/man1/dlltool.1.gz /usr/share/man/man1/nlmconv.1.gz /usr/share/man/man1/nm.1.gz /usr/share/man/man1/objcopy.1.gz /usr/share/man/man1/objdump.1.gz /usr/share/man/man1/ranlib.1.gz /usr/share/man/man1/readelf.1.gz /usr/share/man/man1/size.1.gz /usr/share/man/man1/strings.1.gz /usr/share/man/man1/strip.1.gz /usr/share/man/man1/windres.1.gz /usr/share/man/man1/c++filt.1.gz /usr/share/man/man1/as.1.gz /usr/share/man/man1/ld.1.gz /usr/share/man/man1/gasp.1.gz /usr/share/man/man1/addr2line.1.gz /usr/share/man/man1/gprof.1.gz /usr/share/locale /usr/share/locale/fr /usr/share/locale/fr/LC_MESSAGES /usr/share/locale/fr/LC_MESSAGES/bfd.mo /usr/share/locale/fr/LC_MESSAGES/opcodes.mo /usr/share/locale/fr/LC_MESSAGES/binutils.mo
Re: Where'd as go?
Colin Watson wrote: On Sat, Feb 09, 2002 at 12:43:30PM -0500, Rich Johnson wrote: Colin Watson wrote: I've checked binutils_2.11.92.0.12.3-6_powerpc.deb, and it does indeed contain /usr/bin/as. This wouldn't be something screwing up $PATH, perhaps? I must be missing something here: - $PATH looks fine - /usr/bin/as does not exist. That's really very odd. Could you have a look at the output of 'dpkg -c /var/cache/apt/archives/binutils_2.11.92.0.12.3-6_powerpc.deb' and see if it includes /usr/bin/as? If so, dpkg is screwing up - I'm not quite sure how yet though. AHA! dpkg -c reports: tar: Skipping to next header tar: Archive contains obsolete base-64 headers ...and so on. Thanks for the pointer. Apparently the .deb was corrupted somewhere along the line.It's certainly confusing (any maybe a bug?) that dpkg -L doesn't report problems with the .deb. I downloaded another copy--one which passes the 'dpkg -c' test and installed properly. Thanks again, --rich let the coding begin.
Where'd as go?
I've got a new powerpc woody system up and running, but I cant compile because ...cannot exec 'as': No such file or directory. Contents-powerpc tells me the assember should be part of devel/binutils. I've installed binutils-2.11.92.0.12.3-6 but still no as. So, is this a bug? or did I fumble the installation? Or is there an alternate assembler I should be using? Thanks, --rich
boostrapping woody on PowerMac
Hey folks-- Well, I've been trying to bootstrap woody on an Powermac 8500. I've managed to make it through most of the connection / malformed release / and corrupted package minefield. The packages are all downloaded, validated and extracted, but...how do I get around the Failure trying to run : chroot /target dpkg error when installing the base system? I'm using boot-floppies 3.0.18. --rich
