Re: [OT] Good, evil and religion [WAS] Re: A way to compile 3rd party modules into deb system?
Ron Johnson wrote: On 05/09/07 00:04, SB wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: On 05/08/07 19:55, SB wrote: [snip] It's the claim of an exclusive franchise on truth by some (mainly Judaism, Christianity and Islam) closely related religions that has compelled them to justify all manner of cruelty, in the name of god. It's this claim that has caused and is causing all sorts of problems for the rest of us Heathens/Kaffirs. Or the fundamentalist Hindus who occasionally go on rampages, killing Muslims or burning people in effigy. Sure, but the Hindus aren't doing it in the name of God, Allah, Shiva or whatever. Hinduism has other problems but claiming an exclusive franchise on truth is not one of them. And Christianity teaches love your neighbor as yourself. If Christianity stopped there it would really help, unfortunately it doesn't. Secondly, I'd hate to leave next door to a Christian masochist. Cheers, /SB -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Good, evil and religion [WAS] Re: A way to compile 3rd party modules into deb system?
Ron Johnson wrote: On 05/09/07 04:02, Jochen Schulz wrote: Ron Johnson: And Christianity teaches love your neighbor as yourself. That doesn't mean that the humans who purport to believe in it actually follow it correctly. In a religion that constantly reminds everyone that the natural man is an enemy to God, You haven't read the Bible lately, have you? Does it get updated on a regular basis ? Cheers, /SB -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Good, evil and religion [WAS] Re: A way to compile 3rd party modules into deb system?
Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 09:00:39AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: There is great debate as to whether the Hebrew says kill or murder. Since, in the Old Testament, YHWH (the Tetragrammaton, or Name of God) both in Law and for conquest tells the Israelites to kill people, it is logical that the constraint is against murder (illegal killing), not generralized killing. Especially considering that the Ten Commandments were given to the individual (the KJV uses the thou second person pronoun, which is plainly targetting the individual). Additionally, the Mosaic law has provisions for killing self-defense, leading to the conclusion that at least some killing, under some cricumstances, is sanctioned by God. That is also why it is not incompatible to be a Christian and also serve in the military or be a police officer. This is the same reasoning/justification given by Jihadists. If who and when you can kill is open to interpretation then someone/somewhere/sometime will justify it in the name of god's command(ment). Cheers, /SB -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Good, evil and religion [WAS] Re: A way to compile 3rd party modules into deb system?
John Fleming wrote: - Original Message - From: SB [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 5:08 AM Subject: Re: [OT] Good, evil and religion [WAS] Re: A way to compile 3rd party modules into deb system? Ron Johnson wrote: On 05/09/07 04:02, Jochen Schulz wrote: Ron Johnson: And Christianity teaches love your neighbor as yourself. That doesn't mean that the humans who purport to believe in it actually follow it correctly. In a religion that constantly reminds everyone that the natural man is an enemy to God, You haven't read the Bible lately, have you? Does it get updated on a regular basis ? No need - God's word is the same yesterday, today, and tomorrow. It's people that are the problem. Then why should I believe what's written in the Bible, since it's written by people, secondly how do I know which people to trust ? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Good, evil and religion [WAS] Re: A way to compile 3rd party modules into deb system?
Celejar wrote: I don't ignore it; I agree that religion has made ordinary people do extraordinarily cruel things; my point was that this isn't a problem exclusive to religion, but to compelling and convincing axiologies in general, and I reiterate, would we really be better off without them? I think it is unjust to imply that I'm 'reflexively' dismissing 'every' critique of religion as shallow and ignorant; I dismissed *one* as such, and for reasons I maintain are logical. And one more thing; while religion can make ordinary people do extraordinarily cruel things, it can (and often does) also make ordinary people do extraordinarily lovely things. It's the claim of an exclusive franchise on truth by some (mainly Judaism, Christianity and Islam) closely related religions that has compelled them to justify all manner of cruelty, in the name of god. It's this claim that has caused and is causing all sorts of problems for the rest of us Heathens/Kaffirs. Regards, /SB -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Good, evil and religion [WAS] Re: A way to compile 3rd party modules into deb system?
Ron Johnson wrote: On 05/08/07 19:55, SB wrote: Celejar wrote: I don't ignore it; I agree that religion has made ordinary people do extraordinarily cruel things; my point was that this isn't a problem exclusive to religion, but to compelling and convincing axiologies in general, and I reiterate, would we really be better off without them? I think it is unjust to imply that I'm 'reflexively' dismissing 'every' critique of religion as shallow and ignorant; I dismissed *one* as such, and for reasons I maintain are logical. And one more thing; while religion can make ordinary people do extraordinarily cruel things, it can (and often does) also make ordinary people do extraordinarily lovely things. It's the claim of an exclusive franchise on truth by some (mainly Judaism, Christianity and Islam) closely related religions that has compelled them to justify all manner of cruelty, in the name of god. It's this claim that has caused and is causing all sorts of problems for the rest of us Heathens/Kaffirs. Or the fundamentalist Hindus who occasionally go on rampages, killing Muslims or burning people in effigy. Sure, but the Hindus aren't doing it in the name of God, Allah, Shiva or whatever. Hinduism has other problems but claiming an exclusive franchise on truth is not one of them. Regards, /SB -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
