Re: watch dvi files

[Santiago Vila Doncel]

maths wrote:
> without X11, how to watch dvi file?

dvisvga (previously called "tmview").

Re: potato intallation failed

[Santiago Vila Doncel]

On Thu, 4 May 2000, David Karlin wrote:

> I'm installing potato from floppies, and when I try to load the kernel
> modules, I get: "modprobe: Can't open /target/etc/modules.conf"
> and "Installation failed."

Just switch to the second virtual console and do

touch /target/etc/modules.conf

This will be fixed in the next set of boot floppies.

Re: smartlist headers

[Santiago Vila Doncel]

On Tue, 2 May 2000, Dan Brosemer wrote:

> On potato, smartlist adds "Resent-To:" headers which list all the people
> subscribed to the list on every outbound message.
> 
> Can this be removed?

Yes, please read /usr/doc/smartlist/README.exim.

> I tried with the following (and enabled RC_LOCAL_SUBMIT_20):
> 
> dev:/var/list/testing# cat rc.local.s20
> # remove headers
> 
> :0 fhw
> | formail -I Resent-To:
> 
> but no luck.  I guess rc.local.s20 is executed before the Resent-To gets
> added.

Indeed, since it's exim the one who adds it :-)

In fact, if you want exim not to do that (and you don't follow
README.exim), you would have to actually *provide* a valid Resent-To:
header so that exim does not add one.

Thanks.

Re: /dev/null: permission denied - problem

[Santiago Vila Doncel]

On Sun, 23 Apr 2000, Stephan Hachinger wrote:

> At least since I mixed my slink system with potato packages (glibc 2.1) a
> couple of months before, I have a problem with /dev/null. Firstly, lprng
> reported at startup: "setuplog: open /dev/null failed: permission denied" (I
> "fixed" it by installing lpr which does not complain about it), and now
> since I installed exim correctly, I always get mails like this one:
> [...]
> /bin/sh: /dev/null: Permission denied
> 
> Has anyone experienced this problem and can help me, please?

/dev/null should be writeable by everybody, if it is not, please do:

chmod 666 /dev/null

BTW: There is a user who reported a similar problem. So far, we have been
unable to discover which package exactly is the responsible for that.
Could you please post the output of "dpkg --get-selections" to the
[EMAIL PROTECTED] address? (if you think it is not sensitive
information, of course).

I have asked the same to the other user, hopefully we will be able to
compare both lists and see what common packages do you have.

Thanks.

Re: Is apt-cdrom necessary ?

[Santiago Vila Doncel]

On Wed, 19 Apr 2000, Egbert Bouwman wrote:

> Many months ago I learned somewhere that you have to use 'apt-cdrom'
> in order to add CD's to your sources.list, and that worked.
> But now Pann McCuaig sais he manually added a line for a CD
> to sources.list:
>deb file:/cdrom/debian stable main
> and that worked as well.
> 
> The man page for apt-cdrom says that you cannot do what Pan did -
> at least that is what i understand from it.
> Does somebody know the details ? Is apt-cdrom obsolete or something ?

You need apt-cdrom if you have the set of Debian official CDs. apt-cdrom
then is supposed to tell you "insert disk #1, insert disk #2" and so on.
[ Have you ever done a multi-volume backup using PKZIP? ].

If you only need packages on the first CD (which contains the most
opoular packages), then you may forget about the others and use the
file:/ trick and the normal APT method. However, in this case, dselect
will show you as being available only those packages in the first CD.

Re: How to build for Slink on a Woody system?

[Santiago Vila Doncel]

On Mon, 17 Apr 2000, Brian Boonstra wrote:

>   I'd like to compile some binaries capable of running on slink, but  
> my only available platform is woody.  What is generally involved in doing  
> this?  I've tried to search the mailing list archive, but the engine seems to 
>  
> be broken (more than usual).

Try using a chrooted environment.

Example:

mkdir slink-system
cd slink-system
tar xzvf /wherever-it-was/base2_1.tgz
chroot .

and voila, you are inside a slink system.

Re: Which packages are new in potato

[Santiago Vila Doncel]

On Sun, 30 Jan 2000, Adrian Bunk wrote:

> I'm looking for a list of all packages that are new (not only a newer
> version) in potato compared to slink. Is something like that available
> somewhere?

Just take the Packages.gz file from slink and potato, make a list of the
package names by doing something like:

zgrep "^Package:" Packages.gz | awk '{ print $2 }'

Once you have files containing the package names for slink and potato, you
can see the lines in the second file which are not in the first one by
using this little gawk-script (call it "exclude"):

#!/usr/bin/gawk -f
{
  if (ARGIND == 1)
a[$0] = 1
  else if (! ($0 in a))
print $0
}


"exclude slink-list potato-list" will give you the list of new packages.

Hope this helps.

Re: Potato inconsistency

[Santiago Vila Doncel]

On Mon, 20 Dec 1999, peter karlsson wrote:

> Got this during today's apt-get dist-upgrade:
> 
> Preparing to replace base-files 2.1.10 (using .../base-files_2.1.11_all.deb)
> ...Unpacking replacement base-files ...
> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/base-files_2.1.11_all.deb 
> (--unpack):
>  trying to overwrite `/etc/inputrc', which is also in package libreadlineg2
> Errors were encountered while processing:
>  /var/cache/apt/archives/base-files_2.1.11_all.deb
> E: Sub-process returned an error code (1)
> 
> 
> Known problem?

Yes, it has been reported 14 times(!).

I'm very sorry for the inconvenience. base-files_2.1.12 fixes it.

Thanks.

Re: ISO-8859-15: setfont and default font

[Santiago Vila Doncel]

On Fri, 3 Dec 1999, J Horacio MG wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I have defined iso-8859-15 charset in my $HOME/.bash_profile, and it
> works as such if I set a proper font for it, eg.:
> 
> # setfont lat9u-16.psf
> 
> lat9u-16.psf is a font I copied into /usr/share/consolefonts/.  I use
> /etc/kbd/default.map for getting characters specific of iso-8859-15,
> just binding keys to them.  I even added the lat9u-16.psf font map to
> /etc/kbd/config:
> 
> CONSOLE_FONT=lat9u-16.psf
> 
> so that it would load at bootup, but it won't, I have to `setfont'
> everytime I reboot.
> 
> How can I have a font map loaded as default?

set CONSOLE_FONT in /etc/kbd/config.

> Also, where could I find
> more font maps and information about the character names?

/usr/share/consolefonts

Re: Installation under /usr/local

[Santiago Vila Doncel]

On Mon, 5 Jul 1999, Paulo Henrique Baptista de Oliveira wrote:

> Hi Debian users,
> I installed Debian at my friend's lab and he wants to install
> everything
> in /usr under /usr/local to remote mount.
> What is the safesty way to copy /usr to /usr/local?

Why not just export /usr instead of /usr/local?

Re: dpkg hosed after crash

[Santiago Vila Doncel]

On Thu, 1 Jul 1999, Mike Schmitz wrote:

> A while back, my system crashed, but I was able to bring up a crippled
> system that I can limp along with.  I lost mostly just data, and what
> programs I lost, I have been able to replace by reinstalling them.  One
> that is becoming a sore spot, though, is dpkg.  Whie it is able, mostly,
> to install other programs, when I try to upgrade it, it gives me this
> error:
> 
> mschmitz:~# dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/dpkg_1.4.1.3_i386.deb
> (Reading database ... 42321 files and directories currently installed.)
> Preparing to replace dpkg 1.4.1.1 (using
> .../archives/dpkg_1.4.1.3_i386.deb) ...install-info: failed to lock dir
> for editing! No such file or directory

This probably means the /usr/info/dir file has disappeared.

You may create a new one by running

/var/lib/dpkg/info/base-files.postinst

[ However, it will just create a "minimal" one ].

Re: Need help installing Pine

[Santiago Vila Doncel]

On Wed, 30 Jun 1999, Larry Huffman wrote:

> steps taken:
> 
> dpkg-source -x pine_v.dsc
> cd pine
> debian/rules binary (as root)
> 
> error message received:
> 
> test -f pine/pine.c -a -f debian/rules
> debian/rules binaryPine
> make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/pine/pine-v'
> test -f pine/pine.c -a -f debian/rules
> test root = "`whoami`"
> rm -rf debian/tmp
> install -d debian/tmp/DEBIAN debian/tmp/usr/lib/menu
> cd debian/tmp && install -d usr/bin usr/man/man1 usr/doc/pine
> cd debian && install -m 755 postinst postrm tmp/DEBIAN
> cd debian && install -m 644 menu.pine tmp/usr/lib/menu/pine
> install bin/pine debian/tmp/usr/bin
> install: bin/pine: No such file or directory
> make[1]: *** [binaryPine] Error 1

This means the pine binary could not be created, for some unspecified
reason.

My guess is that maybe you don't have libncurses4-dev installed, but it's
difficult to say without more data (if you have the complete logs, it
would help).

In case of difficulty, try to do it in two steps:

debian/rules build  as a normal user
[ coffee here ]
debian/rules binary as root.

Hope this helps.

Re: libc6(-dev) version problem in slink

[Santiago Vila Doncel]

On Mon, 26 Apr 1999, Chris Gray wrote:

> I've been having a problem installing Debian standard packages.
> 
> The version of libc6 installed from the base diskettes was 2.0.7v-1 but
> the version of libc6-dev listed as available from the ftp site is 2.0.7t-1

This is strange.

In slink, libc6 and libc6-dev have version 2.0.7.19981211-6.
In hamm, version was 2.0.7t-1, if I remember well.

If you have 2.0.7v-1, you probably installed slink when it was still in
the frozen stage.

In this case the best thing to do would be to upgrade everything to
slink, which is now stable.

Thanks.

Re: slink dir: binary-hurd-i386?

[Santiago Vila Doncel]

On Fri, 23 Apr 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> I've read binutils 2.9.1-0.2 is broken or faulty, and the suggestion is
> to get 2.9.1-0.3
> I found the package in ftp.debian.org/.../sid/main/bin/binary-hurd-i386
> what's the reason behind adding "hurd" to binary-i386?

"hurd-i386" is the dpkg architecture for GNU/Hurd packages on Intel.
You can't use these packages under GNU/Linux currently.

> is it safe to install that package from sid?

No. dpkg will not let you to do that anyway, because they have a
different architecture.

Re: Installing slink from a Zip drive

[Santiago Vila Doncel]

On Thu, 15 Apr 1999, David Wright wrote:

> One of the nice things about installing hamm was that I could do it with
> one floppy and a zip drive. So I was really looking forward to putting
> slink on a couple of new boxes which are, as far as possible, MS-free.
> 
> So I partitioned a disk, got to "Install Operating System Kernel and
> Modules", popped over to VC2 and tried to mount my zip drive.
> "sdb4 not a block device". Looked at VC4: only 1 scsi host (my
> empty hard drive).
> 
> After saying how easy it was, here I am with a very red face.
> Do I have to go back to pumping floppies (9 now!) to install slink.
> This is a big step backwards.

The problem is that the ppa driver required to make the ZIP drive to work
is now out of the kernel (i.e. as a module).

[ This is a difference between Debian 2.0 and Debian 2.1 that I discovered
  last week, when I was also trying to install it from scratch on a
  CD-ROM-less machine ].

So you'll need two floppies: the rescue and the drivers floppy.

Fortunately you may use the ZIP drive as the source for the base system.
(i.e. the base2_1.tgz file). Just remember to load the ppa module
when the rescue floppy allows you to do it.

Thanks.

Re: Loading packages from zip drive

[Santiago Vila Doncel]

On Tue, 23 Mar 1999, Chris Reay wrote:

> I have an old-ish Toshiba laptop (486, 200 mb, no CD) onto which I have
> loaded the Debian v2.0 base system from the dos partition. I now want to add
> a few console editing, development (mostly Python and C), and utility
> packages; to this end I've copied the relevant binary-i package directories
> (and packages) from an Infomagic CDR (11/98 ish) as well as the files
> Package and Package.gz onto an Iomega zip drive, which I have mounted. I run
> through dselect and select the zip directory, select the packages I want,
> resolve (i trust) dependency issues and set it going. The process appears to
> be collecting information about the packages but doesn't get very far at
> all, and after a while finds "too many errors ..." and returns to the
> dselect menu without installing the packages. I've looked through the
> installation, faq, and tutorial documents, but haven't found anything
> helpful on the topic. Does anybody know the solution?

The "too many errors" thing is a bug in dpkg, it should not stop
just because "too many errors".

This is usually avoided by using an installation method which does package
ordering, like APT or dpkg-mountable.

You may also do   dpkg --pending --configure   or select "4. [C]onfig"  in
dselect, and try to continue with the install after some packages have
been configured.

Re: quickie Question

[Santiago Vila Doncel]

On Tue, 16 Mar 1999, archangel.8eight8.net.ph wrote:

>  i have a quickie question for those who have already tried slink.  is
> apt and apt-get already built w/in the "base" or "required" field ?

Yes, in Debian 2.1, apt is in "base".

Re: Potato soon to be frozen?

[Santiago Vila Doncel]

On Tue, 9 Mar 1999, sepp_r wrote:

> I read on slashdot.org that potato will soon be frozen. Is this true?

It depends on the definition of "soon" :-)

We don't know yet when we will freeze potato, if this is what you refer.

Debian 2.2 will include Linux 2.2 and glibc 2.1 among other things. Even
if potato is frozen, I would not expect a lot of stability just because I
see a link named "frozen" in the FTP archives.

Thanks.

Re: What to do with "base"???

[Santiago Vila Doncel]

On Tue, 9 Mar 1999, Mark Phillips wrote:

> My system is now uptodate with the newly released Slink, but there are
> now a number of obsolete packages.  In particular, there are two
> _required_ packages listed as obsolete:
> 
> --- Obsolete/local Required packages in section base ---
>  *__ Req base base 1.1.0-14
>  *** Req base slang0.99.38 0.99.38-6   
> 
> When dselect attempts to delete base, it complains that
> 
> This is an essential package - it should not be removed.
> 
> Now I could use dpkg to force its removal, but when I asked about this
> on the list earlier, George Bonser told me:
> 
> NO DO NOT REMOVE BASE! IT WILL KILL YOUR SYSTEM!!!
> 
> Just wait, that is a known bug and is on the list of bugs that must be
> fixed. Leave it until there is a solution for the
> problem. Otherwise you will remove several vital packages.
> 
> But now that Slink has been officially released, has this bug been
> fixed?

Actually, this bug was the mix of two different bugs:

1) APT lets the user to remove an essential package.
2) base is "obsolete", but it is still required and essential.

Whether or not 1) is already fixed I don't know. I think it is not.

About 2), we are not sure yet about the best thing to do.
dpkg -L will show that this package still contains many device files, so
you should not try to remove it.

Most probably, we will deal with bug 2) by providing a recipe to get rid
of it in a safe way, but no package will follow the recipe directly.

> Is there a way to safely remove base?

Well, it depends. You may try something like this:

[ Warning: You don't need to remove "base", this is only an aesthetical
issue. The following recipe is provided as is, without any warranty of any
kind, etc. etc. ].

cd /var/lib/dpkg/info
:> base.list
dpkg -L base   (to check that it contains no files).
dpkg --purge --force-remove-essential base

> (Not to mention slang0.99.38)

Removing slang0.99.38 safely is very easy: Just try to remove it
and if dselect does not "complain", then you may remove it safely.

If some package still depends on it, dselect will complain and will show
you the famous conflict/resolution screen.

[ Of course, this will only work if you do not have any third-party
  software compiled against slang0.99.38 ].

[ As a general rule, you can do the same with any other library
  package ].

Thanks.

Re: Using Procmail

[Santiago Vila Doncel]

On Mon, 8 Mar 1999, XRDLAB wrote:

> Currently I am using fetchmail and pine to get the mail from my isp
> account and to read/send the messages respectively. As the number of
> messages I am getting has increased, I
> am feeling the need to use procmail to sort the mail into different
> folders. How do I go about putting the messages in different folders
> (should be readable by pine)?

Please, read:

/usr/doc/procmail/QuickStart

Thanks.

Re: Smartlist not sending to sender

[Santiago Vila Doncel]

On Sat, 6 Mar 1999, Erik Forsberg wrote:

> I'm using smartlist for some small mailinglists on a Debian machine (I
> hope this isn't too offtopic)
> 
> Is there a way to configure smartlist NOT to distribute a message to
> the sender of the message ? I don't want my own postings.

Short answer: no, that I know of.

If you don't want your own postings, you may divert them to /dev/null
using procmail.

(I would not recommend this, I like to receive my own postings, tyis way
I know that they reached the list).

Thanks.

Re: libc6-19981211-6

[Santiago Vila Doncel]

On Fri, 5 Mar 1999, Shao Zhang wrote:

>   Anyone had problem with this version of libc6?
> 
>   After I install it, all my dns stop working, I had to down grade
> to the version in the stable hamm.

Please, remember to report this as a bug.
 
>   A couple of weeks ago, I upgrade my system to slink, I had the
> same problem when I install libc6-19981211-4. The next day, a new libc6
> came out(libc6-19981211-5), I installed this one, and everything works
> again. Now, with this newest version, the problem is back!! Where can I
> download libc-19981211-5 again?? As I need apt, and apt need a fairly
> recent version of libc.

In principle, apt should not need a fairly recent version of libc6.
I'm sure in one of the "upgrades" directories in slink you will find an
apt version which works in hamm.

Thanks.

Re: crc error

[Santiago Vila Doncel]

On Wed, 10 Jun 1998, Henrik Damkjaer Vind wrote:

> I get the error message
> 
> 
> crc error 
>  
> --System halted.
> 
> 
> trying to boot for the first time from my newly prepared rescue disc.
> I've just run the install.bat from a dos prompt in the directory
> containing the compressed kernel.
> 
> What do I do to solve the problem?

Make sure you have no device drivers loaded when running install.bat.
For this, put a REM in every config.sys line which loads a device driver.

Re: rescue disk doesn't rescue me

[Santiago Vila Doncel]

On Tue, 2 Mar 1999, Werner Reisberger wrote:

> I am using Debian 2.0r4 and trying to boot my brand new PC since 4 days
> with several rescue disks I prepared with dd on my good old Linux PC.
> 
> I even tried to boot with a self prepared root.bin disk but a reader
> of this list told me that I don't need to do this with a fairly new dist
> (yes I have a 1.44 floppy drive).
> 
> The following happens when I insert the rescue disk in my brand new PC
> pressing enter at the boot prompt:
> 
> It recognizes the hardware (including the SCSI controller and the SCSI
> disk) but at the end it issues the following:
> 
> Partition check:
>  sda:Dev 08:00 Sun disklabel: bad magic 
>  unknown partition table
> 
>  # this line is probably caused because my HD is completely untouched

This is probably a bad advice :-), but anyway:

I would try to boot from a MS-DOS floppy and then try to fdisk
the disk from DOS first (only to have a consistent partition table).

> RAMDISK: Compressed image found at block 0
> VFS: Mounted root (minix filesystem)
> # until now it's looks good but the
> boot process hangs at this stage

This seems a bug in the Linux kernel.

As a workaround you could replace the "linux" file in the boot
floppy by a custom made one, by using the good old Linux PC.

Re: rm /var -> dpkg ???

[Santiago Vila Doncel]

On Tue, 23 Feb 1999, Bernhard Dobbels wrote:

> Recently, i have done something really stupid: rm -r /var
> and, yes, everything was away, including my /var/backup directory!
> Yes, i know, it's no place for a backup.
> Everyting is restored now.
> 
> Just all the info that dpkg put there is away and i cannot run dpkg
> anymore. Is there some kind of rebuilding-tool for recreating the
> database?

Not that I know of, but you might want to cross-reference the output
of "find /" and the Contents-i386.gz file, maybe using awk or some such,
this way you could know the packages you had installed.

"ls /usr/doc" should be also a good starting point, since every package is
supposed to come with an /usr/doc/ directory.

This will give you a list of installed packages.

If you want a "clean system" you might want to backup /etc, /home,
/usr/local, etc. and start from scratch. You can use the list of installed
packages and "dpkg --set-selections" to obtain a freshly installed "clone"
of your old system. [ This is probably what I would do, because I'm used
to "clone" my system from time to time, but you might want to try some
other way to solve this ].

Re: upgrading slink -> potato

[Santiago Vila Doncel]

On Tue, 23 Feb 1999, Bruno Boettcher wrote:

> i am trying to upgrade to potato...
> 
> first question, to stay on the safe side, in sources.list the line concerning
> potato should come before or after the slink line?

Mmm, I think there is not any difference, but to really stay on the safe
side, you should not be upgrading to potato, which is supposed to be
unstable :-)

> then selecting some gnome stuff i get:
> gnome-gnometris depends on libaudiofile-cvs0
> libaudiofile-cvs0 does not appear to be available
> gnome-gnometris depends on libesd-cvs0
> libesd-cvs0 does not appear to be available
> 
> from where should those files come?

I don't know, but that's why unstable is called unstable.
 
> and last but not least, is there a non-US for potato easily reachable from 
> here
> (France)?

nonus.debian.org should be easily reachable from France, since it is in
Europe (at least from Spain it is quite reachable).

Re: gnuplot/libvga and permissions

[Santiago Vila Doncel]

On Wed, 17 Feb 1999, Jose L. Gomez Dans wrote:

>I downloaded gnuplot 3.7 today, as I wanted to compile it to plot graphs
> on the console. Compilation went OK, but if I try to plot a graph in the
> console, I get an I/O permission error. For a try, I logged in as root, and
> everything worked fine. Since other programs that use libvga work fine (I
> can only think of zgv at the moment) from my normal user account, I am at a
> bit of a loss here. I suspect that I set some dodgy permissions, but which?

The suid bit (chmod u+s) on gnuplot will allow you to use it under
console. This is probably not the best way to achieve that, but it works.

BTW: You might want to use the Debian package instead.

RE: .bash_profile

[Santiago Vila Doncel]

On Fri, 12 Feb 1999, Shaleh wrote:
> On 12-Feb-99 Cuno Sonnemans wrote:
> > Can someone send me his or hers original
> > /root/.bash_profile, file.
> > I messed up mine.
> > And i don't no what was in it.
> > Stuppid eh 
> 
> Nothing important -- you are not missing anything.

/usr/sbin and /sbin from root's PATH. These are certainly needed, dpkg
does not work without them.

Re: .bash_profile

[Santiago Vila Doncel]

On Fri, 12 Feb 1999, Cuno Sonnemans wrote:

> Can someone send me his or hers original
> /root/.bash_profile, file.
> I messed up mine.
> And i don't no what was in it.

Look at  /usr/share/base-files

Re: [whine] "Power down." vs "System halted."

[Santiago Vila Doncel]

Navindra Umanee wrote:
> My bo system used to say "System halted." everytime I halted the
> system but since I upgraded to hamm it sez "Power down.".  Where has
> this changed?  I grepped for "Power" in /etc/init.d/* and /etc/*/* but
> couldn't find where to configure this.

Did you update your kernel? :-)

You will find this in  linux/kernel/sys.c  in the kernel 2.2.x sources.

Re: How to force re-installing a package?

[Santiago Vila Doncel]

On Wed, 3 Feb 1999, Mamoun Alissali wrote:

>   I've done a very stupid thing taht removed the /bin/cat binary,
> so I think I have to reinstall the textutils package (is there any
> other/better
> solution?), but can't do it since it is marked installed/up-to-date. How
> do I force dselect to reinstall it?

Download the package by FTP and just do

dpkg -i package.deb

[ If you had it on CD-ROM, skip the FTP part ].

Re: libc6 or libc5???

[Santiago Vila Doncel]

Install the libc5 from the "oldlibs" section in hamm.
Then you will be able to install libc6.

libc6 conflicts with the libc5 in bo, but not with the one in hamm.

Re: Upgrading

[Santiago Vila Doncel]

On Thu, 28 Jan 1999, Evan Parry wrote:

> What's the recommended method for upgrading from hamm to slink?

Other than waiting for slink to be released? :-)

The APT package is quite good, you might want to try it as dselect method.

Be careful with the X packages, some of them changed their names, we have
not reached a consensus about the best way to make them to be updated
automatically.

Re: apt-get to upgrade from hamm to slink.

[Santiago Vila Doncel]

On 19 Jan 1999, Martin Bialasinski wrote:

> >> "MH" == Mark Herrick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> MH> Does anyone know roughly what size an upgrade from hamm to slink
> MH> is?
> 
> Don't call apt-get dist-upgrade directly.
> 
> Better use the apt method in dselect. (update, select, install)
> 
> There have been package splits, dselect will get them, apt-get
> dist-upgrade will not.

No, there are not compatibility packages for X yet, so I'm not sure that
dselect will get them.

Re: emacs19, hamm and segmentation faults

[Santiago Vila Doncel]

On Mon, 28 Dec 1998, Jim McCloskey wrote:

> [ upgraded from bo to hamm ]
>
> There were small problems here and there, but nothing more than I
> expected, and all the diagnostics I ran (apt-get check especially)
> gave (and give) no indication of trouble.
> 
> There is one big problem though---trying to invoke emacs (19.34)
> always produces a segmentation fault (all users, from the console or
> from within X). Just about my whole work-life happens from inside
> emacs, so this is, for me, dead serious.

You should install the new package "emacs19" which replaces the old
one "emacs". This is just a change in the name of the package.

The name changed because now there are "emacs19" and "emacs20".
Unfortunately, dselect does not support "package name changing" so you
have to know about this name change and select the new one by hand.

I still think this is a bug in the Debian system as a whole for not
providing an empty emacs package which depends on emacs19 as the only
viable way for now to solve the problem you had.

Re: non-free

[Santiago Vila Doncel]

On Tue, 15 Dec 1998, Cagdas Ogut wrote:

> Last night I was interested with the non-free directory of the
> ftp.debian.org and I have downloaded binary-i386 completely. For an
> Intel based machine do I need anything else? I know that many docs etc.
> was just symbolic links to files in binary-all directory and I wonder if
> I have to download something from binary-all because the ftp program
> followed the sym. links and downloaded the files.

Fine, if you followed the symlinks, then you have everything.

dselect and friends always look for packages in the binary-
directory, where arch is the architecture, so the binary-all
directory is never accessed directly.

Re: fetchmail & procmail

[Santiago Vila Doncel]

On Sun, 13 Dec 1998, Shao Zhang wrote:

> fetchmail -v --mda formail -s procmail

I would add quotes:

fetchmail -v --mda "formail -s procmail"

Re: dpkg-source -x

[Santiago Vila Doncel]

On Fri, 4 Dec 1998, Daniel Elenius wrote:

> Is it possible when installing a debian package with:
> 
> dpkg-source -x packagename.dsc
> , followed by ./configure, make, make install,
> 
> to get dpkg/dselect to understand that the package has been installed, 
> so that I can later uninstall it with dpkg/dselect?

No, because that would be the wrong way.

The right way to install a package "from the source" would be:

dpkg-source -c packagename.dsc
cd packagename
debian/rules build
su
debian/rules binary
cd ..
dpkg -i packagename.deb 

Then yes, you will be able to uninstall it by using dpkg.

Re: Subjects not so comfortable

[Santiago Vila Doncel]

On Fri, 4 Dec 1998, Andrea Novara wrote:

> I have a small config feeling question?
> Since we spawn hundreds of messages each day, it
> would be more comfortable to have a constant string
> in subjects such as [ DEBIAN ] that allows easy
> filtering.
> 
> If anyone have better suggestions or cat filter
> using other header than from, can mail such
> tips? I'm using elm's filter program now!

Please install the Debian procmail package and read

/usr/doc/procmail/QuickStart

It tells you how to filter lists like this one. 

Re: .bash_profile not being processed

[Santiago Vila Doncel]

On Wed, 2 Dec 1998, Lindsay Allen wrote:

> [...]
> When I rename .bash_profile to .bash_login nothing changes, but when I
> change its name to .profile it does get processed during login and I get
> root's correct path. 

Are you sure that /bin/bash is your login shell for root and not /bin/sh?

Re: Something with Pine.

[Santiago Vila Doncel]

On Tue, 1 Dec 1998, Michael Beattie wrote:

> Okay, It has now REALLY gotten to me. I like pine, but my only gripe is
> that I cannot get rid of those annoying pauses when you go to open another
> folder. Can anyone alleviate my anger/lack of patience/stupidity??

You may use Maildir folders with Debian pine.

[ I think they are faster, but I don't use them yet ].

Re: No more procmail, now exim..........

[Santiago Vila Doncel]

On Tue, 24 Nov 1998, Phillip Neumann wrote:

> Well i still cannot make procmail to filter my emails. [...]

I'm sad to hear that.

Did you bothered to read /usr/doc/procmail/QuickStart and follow what it
says to the letter?   (It worked for me).

Re: resc1440.bin for slink?

[Santiago Vila Doncel]

On Thu, 19 Nov 1998, Alex McCool wrote:

> Is there a resc1440.bin image for slink?
> All I can find is resc1742.bin ( whatever size that is)

There will be one very soon.

Re: Problems installing ncurses-base

[Santiago Vila Doncel]

On Wed, 18 Nov 1998, Daniel Mashao wrote:

> Any hints what the following error message mean? I am trying to install
> ncurses-base.
> 
> dpkg: error processing ncurses-base_1.9.9g-8.10.deb (--install):
>  subprocess pre-installation script returned error exit status 1
> Errors were encountered while processing:
>  ncurses-base_1.9.9g-8.10.deb
> 
> How can I correct the problem or even understand the problem.

How to understand the problem:

ar x ncurses-base_1.9.9g-8.10.deb control.tar.gz
tar xzvf control.tar.gz preinst

and see why the script preinst does exit with an error status.

Re: linux operating system

[Santiago Vila Doncel]

On Tue, 17 Nov 1998, Ossama Othman wrote:

> By the way, the FSF is working on their own kernel called the "Hurd."  The
> Hurd will probably also run an operating system comprised mainly of GNU
> utilities, just like most Linux distributions.  In fact, Debian is
> developing its own Hurd distribution.

Clarification: "Debian GNU/Hurd" is not "our own" Hurd distribution.
It will be also FSF's GNU 0.3.

Re: Pre beginner

[Santiago Vila Doncel]

On Fri, 13 Nov 1998, Rombalski, Emmanuel wrote:

> I am trying to install Debian Linux on a PC clone with a genuine Intel
> 166MMX processor, 64MB SDRAM, a Western Digital 2.5GB IDE hard drive, a
> Diamond Stealth 3D 2000 Pro PCI video card, and a generic NE2000 compatible
> NIC.  I created a 400 MB DOS 6.22 bootable partition and left the rest of
> the drive raw.  I downloaded all the files (via HTTP) from Debian that were
> specified in the download portion of the getting started guide.  When I run
> the install.bat from the DOS prompt Linux begins booting
> (uncompressing), flashes some unreadable messages and then my computer
> reboots.  What am I doing wrong?

Try not to load any DOS device driver before running install.bat.
If needed, modify your config.sys file.

Re: Errors compiling kernel

[Santiago Vila Doncel]

On Fri, 6 Nov 1998, Cristov Russell wrote:

> make[2]: as86: Command not found

as86 is in the "bin86" package. Just install it.

Re: Newbie Question

[Santiago Vila Doncel]

On Wed, 4 Nov 1998, Costa, Michael J. wrote:

> I have just loaded down the man-db package. However I can't seem to find any
> documentation on how to convert the .deb packages to anything useful. Any
> help would be much appreciated.
> 
> man-db packages was --->
>  -65.deb>

Assuming you have already installed the base system, just try to
install the debian package this way:

dpkg -i man-db_2.3.10-65.deb

Then you will have a working "man" command (provided you don't have
unmet dependencies).

dselect will care about dependencies for you, you might want to
download and install packages from dselect.

Re: slink features?

[Santiago Vila Doncel]

On Tue, 3 Nov 1998, SEGV wrote:

> Since I am going to install Debian 2.1 on a new hard drive once it is 
> released,
> I thought I'd ask a few pertinent questions here (I haven't installed Debian
> since Feb98).
> 
> - Has the install process changed? improved?
> - Is apt or dselect used? which is recommended?

It is expected that apt will be on the base system.
Therefore dselect + apt will be the best installation method.

> - Which C compiler (GCC/EGCS) is default? C++?

gcc is the default for C (package "gcc") and egcs for C++ (package g++).

> - Can I choose at install time?

egcs is also available as a C compiler, package egcc (at least it was in
hamm). [ I don't think you will want to use gcc 2.7.2.3 for C++ ].

> - Which WM is installed as default?

As far as I know, no WM is installed as "default" (I'm referring to an
install based on package's priorities, not about the new predefined
profiles). The only X package having a standard priority is xlib6g.  All
the other X packages are optional.  Therefore, you can install whatever WM
you like best, as always.

Be careful with the "predefined profiles", some people prefer not to use
them at all because you end up with a lot of unneeded stuff on your hard
disk.

> - Is GNOME and Enlightenment ready to go out of the box? What versions?

I think there will be gnome packages in slink. I don't know about
enlightenment.

> Basically, I intend to do GTK+/GNOME development. I need a machine ready to 
> work
> in that environment. I have one now but it's pieced together from tarball
> releases. I'd like to stick with apt/packages if Debian can keep up relatively
> well.
> 
> In practice, I typically find that if I try to use dselect to maintain my
> system, things quickly degrade. Has that changed?

It depends. Are you following slink? At this moment it would be better
not to do so, at least not until it improves a little bit.

If you want a rock solid distribution, stay with the "stable" distribution
(a.k.a. hamm). slink is not ready for daily use yet.

> When is slink slated for release?

Maybe december, but we don't know for sure.

> Should I buy a new drive this month, or just
> wait till next month?

This depends on your needs. If hamm suit your needs, stay with hamm.
If whatever you want to install from hamm does fit in your current drive,
you will not need a new drive yet :-)

Re: conflicts in Debian Distributions

[Santiago Vila Doncel]

Hi.

If I understand well our Debian policy, you should be able to install
ALL packages having priority >= optional, i.e. all packages but those
having "extra" priority.

Therefore if you find one optional package that conflicts with another
optional package, then it is a bug and you may report it as such.
One of them should be downgraded to "extra".

Thanks.

Re: X11: HELP for ATI 3DChar 4MB RageIIC AGP

[Santiago Vila Doncel]

Hi.

For an ATI Mach64 3D RAGE II C, I use:

ChipId   0x4755

and it seems to work, more or less.
I found this in the XFree86 FAQ.

Hope this helps.

Re: color ls and log file perms...

[Santiago Vila Doncel]

On Sat, 3 Oct 1998, D'jinnie wrote:

> Where is the color file for the color option of ls? In slackware it's
> /etc/DIRCOLORS but I can't seem to locate it on debian :(

Maybe you are looking for this:

dircolors --print-database

[ Complete details in info format ].

Re: Installing pine 4.05

[Santiago Vila Doncel]

On Fri, 2 Oct 1998, Daniel Mashao wrote:

> Anybody installed this package from project/experimental?
> 
> I replaced -ltermcap with  -lncurses as suggested elsewhere but still I
> cannot compile the package becuase it is looking for a crypt() function. 

Once more I have to say: Please, do not modify the source yourself. Use
the Debian patches. In doubt, read the README file from the pine396-diffs
package in hamm.

Thanks.

Re: bugs and bug reports

[Santiago Vila Doncel]

On Wed, 30 Sep 1998, Alexander Gutfraind wrote:

> How are bugs cathegorized, numbered and bug reports
> submitted?

See  http://www.debian.org/Bugs

> Most bug fixes are around "bug #26600", does it mean that
> 26600 is the total number
> of bugs discovered in all packages?

Yes, but many of them are already fixed and closed.

> I this case, When did the count started?

I don't know. I was not a developer at that time...

Re: some questions

[Santiago Vila Doncel]

On Sat, 26 Sep 1998, D'jinnie wrote:

> I don't seem to have too much luck with fine-tuning my Debian machine. I
> can't find xv (which I really like), compile all of the pine 4.05 dist
> (undefined references to crypt) and other little annoyances.

The Debian source of pine 4.05 is available in project/experimental,
under the source directory. It should compile cleanly in a Debian 2.0
system. I still use pine 3.96, because I consider it more stable.

Thanks.

Re: /usr/local

[Santiago Vila Doncel]

On Tue, 22 Sep 1998, Paulo J. da Silva e Silva wrote:

> I would like to ask a question. I noticed that some important packages in Hamm
> (Latex and Emacs, for example) write in /usr/local during installation (at
> least they create directories there).
> 
> Well, our local system administrator is having problem with this. It has
> decided to mount /usr/local using nfs as read only (then you would have an
> unique copy of /usr/local in all machines). When he tries to install any
> package that writes in /usr/local it aborts installation.

Trying to write to /usr/local is not a problem. The problem is when a
package tries to write to /usr/local and it exits with an error status.
It is Debian policy that this should not happen.

For example, emacs19.postinst says:

for dir in /usr/local/share/emacs/19.34/site-lisp; do
  test -d $dir || mkdir -p $dir && true
done

The "true" part makes sure that if /usr/local is read-only, this will
not produce an error even if it fails.

If you find any package which fails because of not using this or some
other equivalent trick, please report it as a bug.

Thanks.

Re: following symlinks?!?

[Santiago Vila Doncel]

On Wed, 9 Sep 1998, Paul McDermott wrote:

> hello everybody, and thankyou for all of the assistance to my recent
> questions.  I have yet another question.  I am trying to download debian
> packages from an ftp site with ncftp or wget.  I am having a problem in
> getting files that are symlinked to other places.  I cannot for the life
> of me find out what flag to turn on or off to get ncftp or wget to follow
> symlinks.  If anyone could and/or would help I would greatly appreciated
> it.

Try  wget --retr-symlinks

Re: procmail

[Santiago Vila Doncel]

On Tue, 8 Sep 1998, Vincent Murphy wrote:

> What's the best recipe to use with this list for procmail?

It depends on what you consider "best".

When I receive a duplicate answer (through the list and Cc:ed to me),
I usually like to have them in separate folders (not a duplicate mail in
the "debian-user" folder). Also, I usually remove all the non-important
headers like Received, etc. including all the X- ones. Also, I want mail
sent via Bcc to be properly filtered as well (i.e. if it comes from the
list, it should go to the list folder even if there is no To: or Cc:).

That's why I use

:0:
* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
debian-user

But every person has his own preferences...

Re: Help with Smartlist + Sender: root

[Santiago Vila Doncel]

On Wed, 26 Aug 1998, Marcelo E. Magallon wrote:

>   I'm having a problem setting up a mailing list with Smartlist. One
> of the subscribers is being held hostage to an NT system ;-) and for some
> reason it says "Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED]". Smartlist doesn't like it and 
> rejects
> mails. The point is he can't change the Sender line, so I have to change
> Smartlist. The point... how?!?!?

Hi. I this this should work:

In rc.init uncomment the line saying #RC_LOCAL_SUBMIT_00= rc.local.s00
and then write a rc.local.s00 file saying something like:

:0 fhw
* ^Sender:.*root@
| formail -I Sender:

(warning: I have not tested this).


However, this would perhaps encourage the bad habit of using the root
account for sending mail. Another thing you could do would be to tell the
NT user not to use the root account for sending mail ;-)

Re: dselect's install is too slow

[Santiago Vila Doncel]

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> Debian 1.3.1
> 
> Why does installation of packages via dselect last so long? It checks (I
> don't know why) all the packages on the cd. What for? It already knows
> which packages need installation.

You are right.

Now Debian 2.0 contains a much better tool to install packages called
"mountable", which will appear as one more dselect access method as soon
as you install the "dpkg-mountable" package.

This new dselect method is *much* faster and makes the old "cdrom",
"mounted", "harddisk", and "nfs" methods to be virtually obsolete.

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Re: Building debian packages under Solaris?

[Santiago Vila Doncel]

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On 5 Aug 1998, Dale E. Martin wrote:

> Just curious if anyone had done it.

Christoph Lameter compiled some Debian packages for Solaris some time ago.
You may look in the debian-devel mailing list archives.

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Re: dpkg instead of dselect - how?

[Santiago Vila Doncel]

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The new "mountable" dselect method (in package "dpkg-mountable")
logs everything. Maybe this is what you are looking for.

On the other side, if you want to install a Debian system from scratch by
using just dpkg, you may use the new package "pkg-order" to write your own
"install.sh" script (I did this to install Debian in a 21-computer lab),
avoiding dselect completely.

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Re: problem subscribing

[Santiago Vila Doncel]

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On Sat, 25 Jul 1998, Pere Camps wrote:

>   [EMAIL PROTECTED] is trying to subscribe to this list, but all
> the email it sends to [EMAIL PROTECTED] is not
> answered.

The list server rejects subscription requests from "suspicious" user names
such as root, admin, daemons in general, etc. Tell him to subscribe under
another email address. Thanks.

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Re: Stupid unix

[Santiago Vila Doncel]

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On Thu, 23 Jul 1998, Jack A Walker wrote:

> Please excuse this lame non Debian specific question.  Is there a simple
> way to change all filenames in a directory so they are lowercase?

I would do this:ls | awk '{ system("mv " $0 " " tolower($0)) }'

(But just because I love awk, a perl hacker would surely give you a
different solution, and a Bourne-shell hacker yet another one, etc. :-).

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Re: Mirror after release

[Santiago Vila Doncel]

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On 23 Jul 1998, Gary L. Hennigan wrote:

> I keep a mirror of the frozen distribution (rooted at
> /debian/dists/frozen) of Debian and was wondering how the directory
> structure will change on ftp.debian.org after the release tonight. Do
> they just rename/relink frozen -> stable?

Yes, in the dists directory, the symlinks frozen and stable will be
removed and a new symlink "stable" will be created pointing to hamm.

> I just want to know how to
> adjust my mirror configuration file and the corresponding directories
> so I don't have to download the whole distribution.

Then you might better mirror the hamm directory and not dists/frozen!
You may mirror also the dists directory excluding slink, or do create the
dists directory by hand.

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Re: Beta Test and e2fsprogs

[Santiago Vila Doncel]

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On Thu, 23 Jul 1998, Paul Serice wrote:

> I can't seem to upgrade one of the base packages.
> 
> My current setup is
> 
> ii  e2fslibsg   1.10-8 The EXT2 file system shared libs.
> ii  e2fsprogsg  1.10-8 The EXT2 file system utilities.
> [...]
> I don't want to "--force" this, but I don't see any other way.  Any
> suggestions would be appreciated.

You probably have to use --force this time.

Neither of e2fslibsg or e2fsprogsg do exist now in hamm.
e2fsprogs is now the only package you will need.

Fortunately, upgrades from bo do not suffer from this little problem.

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Re: New ncurses breaks dialog

[Santiago Vila Doncel]

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On Mon, 20 Jul 1998, Mike Schmitz wrote:

> Dialog segfaults & dumps core after I upgraded ncurses.
> Versions:
> 
>   ncurses-base1.9.9g-8.8
>   ncurses-bin 1.9.9g-8.8
>   ncurses-term1.9.9g-8.8
>   ncurses3.0  1.9.9e-2.1
>   ncurses3.4  1.9.9g-8.8
>   ncurses3.4-dev  1.9.9g-8.8
>   dialog  0.9a-12   
> 
> If you want to see the core file, let me know

I have just put a fixed version in Incoming. If you absolutely need
dialog now, just recompile it from the sources. It's easy.

Thanks.

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Re: Pine not building from source

[Santiago Vila Doncel]

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On Mon, 20 Jul 1998, Keith wrote:

> I have tried about three time to build a debian package from the Pine 3.96L
> files that I downloaded from the debian server. I have all three files it
> runs through the whole thing, but all I get is a tech-notes package.
> 
> These are the files that I downloaded:
> 
> pine_3.96L-2.diff.gz
> pine_3.96L-2.dsc
> pine_3.96L.orig.tar.gz
> [...]

pine_3.96L-2 is for libc5. You will find the .deb still in the Debian
archives (since bo was stable and did not change).

For compiling under libc6, you *need* the pine source in hamm.
[ The one in bo will not work unless you do some minor changes ].

Thanks.

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Re: I'm getting "arnsarbscraibe" messages!!

[Santiago Vila Doncel]

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On Wed, 15 Jul 1998, Mark Phillips wrote:

> Sorry about the spelling, but when I spelt it correctly, the debian-user
> server kept on thinking I wanted to unsubscribe, [...]

Hi. I am getting lots of messages like the one you quoted, but because I'm
*also* subscribed to linux-announce :-), which has not anything to do with
this list.

In case you are interested, the Debian list server (SmartList) diverts
the "arnsarbscraibe" messages (which should be sent to the -request
address) out of the list so that they do not appear in the list itself.

Thanks.

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Re: Need help upgrading to hamm (libc6)

[Santiago Vila Doncel]

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On Sun, 21 Jun 1998, Chris R. Martin wrote:

> I am having trouble installing libc6_2.0.7pre1-4.  Here is the error
> message I'm getting from dpkg:
> 
> libc6 conflicts with libc5 ( <<5.4.33-7 )
> version ( 5.4.33-3 ) installed
> 
> I have been unable to find libc5_5.4.33-7 -- I can only find up to revision
> 6 in stable. 
> 
> Where can I get the version of libc5 I need to install libc6 ??

In hamm, section "oldlibs", you will find libc5_5.4.38-1.1.

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Re: cleaning up

[Santiago Vila Doncel]

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On Fri, 19 Jun 1998, Zachary DeAquila wrote:

> can I remove the 'base' package?  it claims to be obsolete, and contains
> mostly /dev/* and the root dir structure...

If it contains files in /dev/*, it is better not to remove it...
Devices are now created by the makedev package, so if you want to get rid
of the old base package, just make dpkg to think that it is not
installed by editing manually the status file in /var/lib/dpkg.
(Do it with care, make a backup copy of it, etc.).

Regarding xntp, it has been renamed to xntp3. Warning: If you purge the
old package, you could lose the configuration files.

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Re: procmail woes

[Santiago Vila Doncel]

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On Wed, 10 Jun 1998, Paul McDermott wrote:

> hell santiago,
> [paul:~]$ mail -v paul
> Subject: test procmailrc
> test testing tested failed!
> Cc: write_log:Received FROM:paul PROGRAM:send-mail SIZE:121
> director user matched user paul
> transport local uses driver appendfile
>   appendfile: write to file /var/spool/mail/paul
> write_log:Delivered TO:paul ORIG-TO:paul DIRECTOR:user TRANSPORT:local
> write_log:Completed.
> You have mail in /var/spool/mail/paul
> [paul:~]$

Ok, I have just checked and it seems that a line like this one:

|/usr/bin/procmail

is enough for the ~/.forward file when using smail.
Probably this is all you need at this point.
 
> I don't have a mbox - it gives me an error

Well, the   cat mbox | formail -s procmail   trick was just a
way of speaking! You have to replace "mbox" with the name of the file 
you want to refilter.

> when i tried cat /var/spool/mail/paul | formail -s procmail it did sort it
> but it was trying to resend stuff again my inbox said there was 7500
> messages only 3 messages but they repeated to make the 7500.

So you learned the hard way it is a bad idea to refilter your inbox "in
place". I'm sorry, perhaps I should have been more clear.
Remember not to refilter your /var/spool/mail/paul file
in this way. Next time you can do:

* cp /var/spool/mail/paul ~/tobefilteredagain

* remove /var/spool/mail/paul either by using your favourite mail
reader or with the help of the user root.

* cat ~/tobefilteredagain | formail -s procmail

> But it did sort it to the right mail boxes any ideas?

Then the .procmailrc file is ok and the ~/.forward file is probably the
last step. Good luck.

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Re: Hamm upgrade to Slink

[Santiago Vila Doncel]

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Both hamm and slink are libc6-based so the upgrade should be quite
painless. If a package does not work for you, you always can revert to the
version in hamm easily.

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Re: procmail woes

[Santiago Vila Doncel]

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On Mon, 8 Jun 1998, Paul McDermott wrote:

> hello my debian user friends, I have just upgraded my hardware and was
> doing a new install of slink.  When it came to configure procmail is where
> I ran into trouble.
> These are the versions of procmail and smail
> 
>   smail   3.2.0.101-4.3  Electronic mail transport system.
>   procmail3.10.7-6   Versatile e-mail processor.
> 
> here is my .forward file
> "|IFS=' '&&exec /usr/bin/procmail -f-||exit 75 #paul"
> 
> here is my .procmailrc file (this is simplified debian of course)
> 
> [...]

Your .procmailrc file looks ok to me, as long as you have a $HOME/Mail
directory. It may be a bug in smail. To be sure, do the following:

mv .procmailrc .procmailrc.not.yet

so that all mail go to /var/spool/mail.

This way you will know whether procmail does the deliver right or not.

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Re: DOS emulator doesn't like pkzip

[Santiago Vila Doncel]

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On Mon, 4 May 1998, Tristan Day wrote:

> I have a Win95 machine connected to the internet at home
> 
> My own machine has Debian and NT, but NT is completely down at the moment.
> 
> I downloaded Netscape Communicator, a whopping 11MB, and had to span.

You may use Debian's split, and then do

copy /b file1+file2+file3 allfiles.zip

under a DOS prompt.

The above is more or less like   "cat file1 file2 file3 > allfiles.zip"

[ split --help for more info ].

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Re: conflicting hamm packages: mc, e2fslibsg and e2fsprogs

[Santiago Vila Doncel]

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On 3 May 1998, Torsten Hilbrich wrote:

> The latter First force the removal of e2fsprogs (IIRC
> --force-remove-essential) and then install e2fslibsg.  You need a
> package named comerr2g too.

No. comerr2g and e2fslibsg are obsolete and should be removed from the
archive soon. They are already (again)  included in the main e2fsprogs
package.

e2fsprogs was an essential package, and as such, not having a Pre-Depends
line on the libraries was a "dangerous" thing. This is the reason why it
has been rejoined again.

Now the upgrade is much safer than before from a bo system, but some
packages in hamm have still to be recompiled against the new libraries
included in the new e2fsprogs to be compatible with it.

This is a little inconvenience for an already-hamm user, but it is worth
for a bo user who have not upgraded still to hamm, since the upgrade will
now be much more robust.

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Re: What's the storywith 2.0?

[Santiago Vila Doncel]

On Mon, 4 May 1998 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Just an ignorant question, how often do new libcs come out? What's the
> story with glibc (how is it different from libc6)?

[ Just to avoid confusion, glibc means "GNU libc". glibc version 2 is
being called "libc6" in Linux ].

Switching to libc6 from libc5 is like switching from a.out to ELF.
We had to recompile all the packages, and make sure they work as well as
before. Most programs compiled out of the box with the new libc6, but some
of them needed some patches. This has been a lot of work.

Why should we switch to libc6? Well, because it is no longer a heavily
modified version of GNU libc version 1, as libc5 was. This is the same
libc which is used in the "GNU operating system" (i.e. the one having a
Hurd kernel, instead of Linux). There are a lot of other reasons, but the
FAQ about the issue which is included in the libc6 package would give a
much better explanation than I could, if you are really interested in the
internal details.

> Also, do the hamm install disks work yet, or is it better when installing
> from scratch to do a bo install and upgrade using the most excellent
> autoupgrade script?

They already work. I installed hamm in a computer with no operating system
last week and just had to create two disks ("rescue" and "drv").  Then I
used NFS to get the 6Mb base2_0.tgz file and a local mirror of Debian to
install all the remaining packages with dselect.



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Re: What;s the storywith 2.0?

[Santiago Vila Doncel]

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On Sun, 3 May 1998, Stan Brown wrote:

> What is the real story with debian 2.0?

We don't want Debian 2.0 to be yet another Red-Hat 5.0.

We don't know for sure when it will be released, but we know that it
should be bug-free enough before it will be released.

>   I keep seeing messages abut bugs that *must* be fixed, yet I notice the
>   next genertaion of Debian "slink" continues to grow on the ftp site.

When hamm was frozen, slink becomed the new "unstable", so new packages
should in general go there and that's why slink is now growing. This does
not mean bug in hamm are not being fixed at the same time.
 
>   I was brought to debian by 2 things. One was the package system/upgrade
>   handling, but the other was that at the time I was looking Debian was
>   the only release with full elf.

Debian 2.0 not only will be full libc6 but also libc5-compatible. This
means that you will be able not only to run old libc5 apps but also
*compile* them by using the -altdev packages.

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Re: What's on Official CDs?

[Santiago Vila Doncel]

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On Mon, 27 Apr 1998, Peter S Galbraith wrote:

> Is there only the `stable' directory on the Official CDs?

Yes.

> If so, then I'll have to ftp all the `contrib' and `non-free' stuff when
> 2.0 comes out.

No, when 2.0 comes out, there will be a stable main, a stable
contrib and a stable non-free. Most probably the Debian official CD set
will come with main and contrib. Only non-free may not be put in CDs.

> As a sidenote, my most confusing bit about installing Debian 1.3 a year ago
> was figuring out what dselect was talking about when it asked where to find
> `contrib' and `non-free' directories.  I didn't have them on my CD, had
> never read about them in the `install.txt' and dselect instructions, and
> was a bit annoyed that dselect couldn't just do a `find' command on my CD
> to find them itself.

The method to select directory tres (supported by the latest
dpkg releases) is now different. Currently you would have to tell
dselect the following to install hamm:

dists/frozen/main dists/frozen/non-free dists/frozen/contrib

Which makes more sense than before.

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Re: how do I fix hamm and bo conflicts?

[Santiago Vila Doncel]

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On Thu, 23 Apr 1998, Donald Harter Jr. wrote:

> I had bo installed.  Then I tried to install hamm and my system became
> unusable.  (The hamm installs disks were the old libc version.)
> I had files from hamm and bo on the system.

It is highly discouraged to install hamm *over* bo (i.e. you should not
use hamm's install disks to install hamm on an already bo system).

If you want to upgrade, try to follow the libc5-libc6-mini-HOWTO.

If you want to test hamm from scratch, use hamm's boot disks (which are
already libc6-based) but you would have to create a new, empty e2fs system
in your root partition (or mv everything in your old root partition into a
directory such as /OLDSYSTEM at the very beginning in the installation
procedure, by switching to the second virtual console).

> Now, it seems to me that the only way to fix my system without
> installing hamm is to start deleting directory trees and reinstall
> everything.   Are there any suggestions on what directories to delete or
> ways to verify the integrity of bo?

I would install hamm again.

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Re: Debian 1.3.1 vs. Debian 1.3.1 R6

[Santiago Vila Doncel]

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On Sun, 26 Apr 1998, Michael Balcos wrote:

> Hi! I'd just like to know if the 1.3.1 R6 release of Debian has all the
> Debian packages.

Yes [*].

> Should I buy the 1.3.1 release before buying the 1.3.1
> R6 release?

No need.

[*] There were some packages (zip and unzip among them, I think), however,
which were moved from main to non-free when going from 1.3.1 to 1.3.1r6,
but you may download them from any Debian FTP mirror.

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Re: PINE Debian Package

[Santiago Vila Doncel]

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On Thu, 23 Apr 1998, George Bonser wrote:

> On Thu, 23 Apr 1998, Adam Klein wrote:
> 
> > As I understand it, the license forbids distribution of a modified
> > source or binary, but allows the distribution of patch files.
> > 
> > Adam Klein
> 
> Agreed, but is debian changing the actual source or are they only
> CONFIGURING the source so it will compile and install in the proper
> locations?

Why don't you look at the .diff.gz file? :-)
Currently it is 27967 bytes long, compressed.

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Re: Debian list `From' line (Re: exim & mutt, weird)

[Santiago Vila Doncel]

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On Tue, 21 Apr 1998, Peter S Galbraith wrote:

> I have a procmail recipe to catch the Debian mailing list traffic :
> 
> :0
> * ^From [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> debian

I would not trust the From line.
Why don't you just use the Resent-Sender field?

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Re: PINE Debian Package

[Santiago Vila Doncel]

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On Mon, 20 Apr 1998, George Bonser wrote:

> Although the above trademark and copyright restrictions do not convey the
> right to redistribute derivative works, the University of Washington
> encourages unrestricted distribution of patch files which can be applied
> to the University of Washington Pine distribution.
> 
> ...
> 
> Someone in Debian saw that second paragraph and thought "gee, we make a
> patch file to create our package so we must have a derivative work". 
> We have to distribute the debianization as a separate file in source form
> only.  
> 
> I think that is incorrect and I further suspect that nobody contacted
> washington.edu to make sure.

I contacted washington.edu and they really do not want binaries to be
distributed if they do not "approve" the patches *first*.

If we do not have the freedom to apply whatever patches we like, including
security or bug fixes, without an approval from the University of
Washington, then we will have to distribute the patches without the
binaries.

I will not accept a special permission which allow us to distribute only a
"certain" release of pine. This is the only way to keep intact our
"freedom to patch".

> Nowhere does it say in that copyright that you can not distribute a binary.

It does. A binary produced from patched sources is a derivative work.

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Re: debian packages : DESTDIR

[Santiago Vila Doncel]

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On Wed, 15 Apr 1998, Jaldhar H. Vyas wrote:

> debmake is kind of out of fashion now and has been
> replaced by a different package called debhelper.

Well, debmake may be out of fashion, but perhaps "replaced" would not be
the right word here. They are just different packages, and both of them do 
exist at the same time...

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Re: A few things about Debian Hamm

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On Wed, 15 Apr 1998, Chris wrote:

> Can anybody tell me when hamm is expected to go stable?
> 
> Also, I am in the middle of installing a hamm system onto a clean drive,
> however it seems alot of old packages are missing (ie. pine, etc).  Will
> these be included when it goes stable?

pine is distributed in source-only form (but with Debian patches, 
so that you may create .deb packages for it). You will have to compile
it yourself. Get the .dsc, .orig.tar.gz and .diff.gz files from the
FTP archives (hamm/non-free/source/mail) and do the following:

dpkg-source -x pine_3.96L-7.dsc
cd pine-3.96L
debian/rules binary (under root)

That's all. Then you can dpkg -i pine.deb

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Re: procmail question

[Santiago Vila Doncel]

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On Wed, 15 Apr 1998, Vaclav Hula wrote:

> I just set-up my .procmailrc (Many thanks to Oliver Elphick). But I
> have big mailbox (/var/spool/mail/) I want to process w. procmail. Can
> anybody tell me how?

What you need is probably:

cat mbox | formail -s procmail

[ I think I will add this to the "QuickStart" file in hamm ].

Thanks.

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Re: Debian "2.0"

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On Tue, 14 Apr 1998, Carroll Kong wrote:

> [...]
> Although it still says Debian 1.3 on the outside...once again, no big
> deal to fix.  /etc/issue and /etc/issue.net, right? 

Yes, but these files are "conffiles".

dpkg should have asked you about keeping them or replacing by the new
version. Just say "Yes" and you will see "Debian 2.0 (frozen)".

[ I will remove the "frozen" thing before the release ]

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Re: How much HD is necessary to mirror Debian x86?

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On Tue, 14 Apr 1998, Ulisses Alonso Camaro wrote:

> I want to download the entire Debian hamm distribution _for Intel only_
> (just binary-i386, isn't it?)

Well, binary-i386, binary-all and disks-i386.
However, you might want to retrieve the files the symlinks point to
instead of the symlinks proper, and then binary-all would not be needed.

> How much HD is necessary?

Approximately:

539324 Kbytes for hamm/main
 73100 KBytes for hamm/contrib
 97027 KBytes for hamm/non-free

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Re: awk or sed?

[Santiago Vila Doncel]

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A. M. Varon wrote:
> I have two files say, file1 and file2
> 
> file1 contains:file2 contains:
> alpha  alpha
> bravo
> charlie
> 
> What I want to do is compare the two files, and delete the contents of
> file1 according to file2. So, from the above, I'll have to delete the word
> alpha from file1. Can it be possible using sed? or awk?

If you do not want to worry about regexps, you may try this gawk script:

#!/usr/bin/gawk -f
{
  if (ARGIND == 1)
a[$0] = 1
  else if (! ($0 in a))
print $0
}

and then do:exclude.gawk file2 file1 > new.file1

(It has to be gawk because mawk has not ARGIND, I'm afraid, but maybe
there are some way to rewrite this for general awk).

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Re: A simple question

[Santiago Vila Doncel]

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On Mon, 6 Apr 1998, Norbert Pabis wrote:

>   I have one little question. What does GNU stands for?
> 
>   GPL is General... and what is GNU

You will find the answer here:

http://www.gnu.org

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Re: compile error due to libc6 trouble?

[Santiago Vila Doncel]

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On Mon, 16 Mar 1998, Britton wrote:

> I don't know what crtbegin.o is, or where to find it,

I have a crtbegin.o file in /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i486-linux/2.7.2.3

I'm using gcc_2.7.2.3-4. Which compiler are you using exactly?

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Re: Where can I find "ar" (archive maintainer) source?

[Santiago Vila Doncel]

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On Thu, 19 Mar 1998, Won-Ho Kye wrote:

> Where can I obtain "ar" source?

First, we need to know where it comes from:

$ which ar
/usr/bin/ar
$ dpkg -S /usr/bin/ar
binutils: /usr/bin/ar

So "ar" is part of the binutils package.

Current (hamm) binutils source is in

hamm/hamm/source/devel/binutils_*

(relative to any Debian FTP mirror)

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Re: Frozen Hamm

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On Tue, 17 Mar 1998, iquest wrote:

>   I'd like to know if Hamm/ has really been frozen?  I just check
>   the debian home site and the news did not mention about this.

I would not mind at all if the announcement is made several days after the
real freeze...

hamm is currently not as usable as it was just a few days ago. Many
packages have been moved out of hamm because of important bugs. I hope
most of them will be reuploaded soon with these bugs fixed.

As for the hamm boot disks, I have just heard there will be a new release
of them soon also. You might want not to use the current ones.

Thanks.

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Re: Linux & Bad Blocks

[Santiago Vila Doncel]

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On 2 Mar 1998, Pedro Quaresma de Almeida wrote:

> I have a hard disk that had gained a couple of bad blocks recently.
> 
> Linux (Debian 1.3.1) is having problems dealing with them
> 
> "kernel panic ..."
> 
> what can I do to mark the bad block in Linux?

Try "e2fsck -c" on the root partition, using the rescue disk.
- From the e2fsck man page:

   -c This option causes e2fsck to run  the  badblocks(8)
  program  to  find  any  blocks which are bad on the
  filesystem, and then marks them as  bad  by  adding
  them to the bad block inode.

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Re: Thanks :)

[Santiago Vila Doncel]

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On Mon, 2 Mar 1998, Remco Blaakmeer wrote:

> On Mon, 2 Feb 1998, Michael Beattie wrote:
> 
> > How do you get pine to show all headers? I can NEVER get it to work...
> 
> Press the letter 'h' when viewing a message. Pressing it again turns it
> off.

Moreover, for this to work, you need to enable the option
"enable-full-header-cmd".

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RE: /usr/spool and related links...

[Santiago Vila Doncel]

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On Tue, 10 Feb 1998, Kristian Strickland wrote:

>   In all fairness to the authors, is it accurate to call a program's
> "incorrect" behaviour a bug when the "incorrect" behaviour is caused be the
> standards being changed _after_ the software was released?

Hi. Remember that Debian 2.0 has not been released yet...
As Colin Telmer has already pointed out, these are bugs in the Debian sense.

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Re: Using hamm? READ THIS about /usr/spool and related links...

[Santiago Vila Doncel]

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On Tue, 10 Feb 1998, Colin R. Telmer wrote:

> Santiago: Will further future upgrades of base-files again remove the
> link? I would think that would be a good thing as it will root out buggy
> packages.

Actually, the package does not remove the symlink, it just does not
include it (a subtle difference :-). This means you can create the symlink
by hand and then it will be preserved (removing the symlink deliberately
would be too strong...)

If we are able to modify all our software to comply with the standards,
the symlinks will go away in the next Debian stable release (i.e.
base-files_2.0.0 will not include the symlinks, as now).

Being mostly FSSTND-compliant is a release goal for Debian 2.0 (it was
already a release goal for Debian 1.3, just that we didn't remove the
symlinks in bo when bo was unstable, so we didn't find the bugs). If you
report a bug on this, you may tag it as "important" by adding the
following pseudoheader:

Severity: important

in the bug report.

Thanks.

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Using hamm? READ THIS about /usr/spool and related links...

[Santiago Vila Doncel]

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Hello.

This mail is intended for the user who is running the current Debian
unstable distribution (a.k.a. hamm).

I'm the Debian maintainer who removed the /usr/spool symlink and some
other symlinks that were part of the `base-files' package...

Not only the FHS but also the old FSSTND says that the mail spool is
/var/spool/mail, so every program should look for mail there, not
in /usr/spool/mail.

Everything that the FSSTND and the FHS says about the symlink
/usr/spool -> /var/spool is that it "may be present" (but it is not
mandatory).

It also says "Once a system no longer requires any one of the above
symbolic links, the link may be removed, if desired."

Well, our goal for Debian 2.0 is obviously to comply with the standards,
so we *must* modify all our software to use /var/spool and not /usr/spool.

But then: How will we know which programs do not use /var/spool yet?
The answer is very simple: Just remove the symlinks and see which programs
break. Of course, this has to be done in *unstable*, where every
program may break.

So if a program breaks because it uses /usr/spool, *that* is a bug.

If you want to help us on this, you may report all those bugs through the
Debian bug tracking system, see /usr/doc/debian/bug-reporting.txt or
http://www.de.debian.org/Bugs.

[ Of course, if you want to help us even more, you may take a look at
the bug database first to make sure that the bug is not already reported ].

As it is often said: I apologize for the inconvenience, etc. etc.

Thanks.

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Re: Procmail, qmail and file locking

[Santiago Vila Doncel]

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On Sun, 8 Feb 1998, Adriano Nagelschmidt Rodrigues wrote:

> David Maslen writes:
>  > I'm a bit unsure if it's safe to use procmail with qmail.
> 
> qmail only uses flock as a locking mechanism (no dotlocking). If your
> procmail binary also uses flock, there should be no problem. Try 'procmail -v'
> to check:
> 
> Locking strategies: dotlocking, flock()

Please, note that Debian procmail -v says:

Locking strategies: dotlocking

as mandated by our policy.

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