Re: Why is Nautilus using 38% CPU?
On Sun, Sep 02, 2012 at 12:55:06PM -0500, Mark Allums wrote: > sorry, I posted a message without any content by accident. > > I noticed that tracker is doing a lot as well. Is it advisable to > disable it? I like Nautilus and use it as a file manager, however don't use it to manage my desktop. It uses minimal memory when used this way from my experience. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120908125758.ga5...@thinkpad.gateway.2wire.net
Getting 3D graphics support out of my ATI Rage XL video chip?
Hello, list. I've recently installed Debian Wheezy on a "new" (to me) computer with an ATI Rage XL video chip. Here is an excerpt from the output of "lspci -nn -vv". (Line wraps have been inserted to keep well within the customary 80-column limit.) 05:03.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI Rage XL [1002:4752] (rev 27) (prog-if 00 [VGA controller]) The X server auto-selects the ati driver, which in turn selects the mach64 driver. the mach64 driver identifies the card in /var/log/Xorg.0.log as ... ATI 3D Rage XL or XC graphics controller detected Chip type 4752 "GR", version 7, foundry TSMC, class 0, revision 0x00 So the chip does have 3D capabilities. But when the X server attempts to activate 3D acceleration, I get the following error: [drm] failed to load kernel module "mach64" and the driver reverts to 2D acceleration only. I've done quite a bit of internet searching this morning, and it appears that it is, at least in theory, possible to enable 3D acceleration; but it is not a trivial task. Here's one link that I've found: http://www.allquests.com/question/1501572-4/HOWTO-enable-3d-acceleration-w-Rage-Mobility-mach64.html But this involves manual compilation and not using Debian packages. >From other search results, it appears that there was at one time a Debian package called drm-modules-source, which existed in experimental back in the days of Lenny, but this package appears to have disappeared. Before I get knee-deep in this, I thought I'd ask the list if there's a better way. Does anyone have any experience with this? Is there a Debian package I can use? -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/763882931.937240.1347117233298.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Re: Getting 3D graphics support out of my ATI Rage XL video chip?
On Sat, 08 Sep 2012 12:24:00 -0400 (EDT), Camaleón wrote: > ... > the VGA chipset is about 8 years (or so) old so > don't expect astonishing results :-) I said the computer was new TO ME. I never said it was NEW. This is a server machine literally thrown away by a business. But it is now the most capable machine that I own. > > And you need 3D acceleration because...? I don't NEED it, I just WANT it. I want it mainly because I want to run GNOME 3. GNOME 3 initializes in fallback mode if the graphics chip does not support 3D acceleration, it seems. > > I will add this one: > > http://dri.freedesktop.org/wiki/DriTroubleshooting I can't seem to connect to the site right now. I get a "503 Service Unavailable". I'll try again later. > > I wonder why people is so reluctant about installing packages from the > outside when this involves upstream projects which are well-known and > trustworthy :-? It's not a trust issue. I just prefer to stick to Debian packages because they are likely to be better integrated with the Debian maintenance procedures. For example, when using Nvidia drivers I much prefer to stick to Debian packages rather than download stuff directly from Nvidia because applying system maintenance is much less likely to break the driver if I use Debian packages. > > There exists this package but not sure if it's for the same purpose :-? > >http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/xserver-xorg-video-mach64 No, that is a binary user-space X driver, which is what the X server is using now. The package I was referring to apparently contained the source code for the mach64 kernel module, among other things. -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/824493517.940834.1347135557967.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Re: Getting 3D graphics support out of my ATI Rage XL video chip?
On Sat, 08 Sep 2012 13:18:43 -0400 (EDT), Martin Steigerwald wrote: > > Is that chip on a graphics card? No, it is built into the motherboard. -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/352381209.940904.1347135973382.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Re: No sound when attempting to play an audio CD
On Mon, 10 Sep 2012 06:55:36 -0400 (EDT), Brian wrote: > > I use the first method with cdtool. Let's get the obvious out of the > way. You're in the cdrom and audio groups. The cable is connected > correctly and securely. The speakers are connected correctly to the > output of the sound card. I can confirm that my userid is in the cdrom and audio groups. I haven't checked the cable connections yet, but I plan to do that tomorrow. But the problem seems to be more systemic. I can't seem to get aplay to work on a .wav file. It runs, and it generates messages on the screen, but no sound. > > Pulseaudio isn't on my system but isn't it a daemon? Wouldn't stopping > it allow you to eliminate it as a cause? pulseaudio is a "depends" (not a "recommends") dependency of gnome-core; so I can't de-install it. As for killing the daemon, gnome automatically re-spawns pulseaudio if I kill the daemon. I have to stop gnome. But even then, no output from playing audio CDs and no output from aplay. Yet, gnome can generate sounds. Maddening. -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/610605441.980598.1347329586948.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Re: No sound when attempting to play an audio CD
On Mon, 10 Sep 2012 22:56:15 -0400 (EDT), Weaver wrote: > > Could it be something as simple as "alsactl init" as root? I just tried that. Here's what I got: alsactl: parse:1655: Unable to open file '/usr/share/alsa/init/ca0106': No such file or directory -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/2000114673.1002148.1347414516527.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Re: No sound when attempting to play an audio CD
On Tue, 11 Sep 2012 02:10:01 -0400 (EDT), Andrei Popescu wrote: > > What does > > speaker-test -c2 -t wav > > do (both as user and root)? It works! Both as root and as a normal user. Amazing! So why does aplay fail? It's a mystery to me! > > Assuming you really want to keep Gnome there are several workarounds for > that: > - just remove the gnome-core metapackage and keep all other dependencies > - equivs (either build a replacement metapackage or a replacement > dependency) > - dpkg --force-depends As much as I dislike pulseaudio (I wish everyone would use alsa), it is evident that this is the future direction of Debian; so I would like to find a way for pulseaudio and alsa to peacefully coexist if possible. -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/890188400.1002377.1347415004008.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Re: No sound when attempting to play an audio CD
On Wed, 12 Sep 2012 02:36:08 -0400 (EDT), Andrei Popescu wrote: > On Tue, 11 Sep 2012, 21:56:44, Stephen Powell wrote: >> So why does aplay fail? It's a mystery to me! > > Please post the output of 'aplay -l' and 'aplay -L'. OK, here it is: $ aplay -l List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices card 0: CA0106 [CA0106], device 0: ca0106 [CA0106] Subdevices: 1/1 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 card 0: CA0106 [CA0106], device 1: ca0106 [CA0106] Subdevices: 1/1 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 card 0: CA0106 [CA0106], device 2: ca0106 [CA0106] Subdevices: 1/1 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 card 0: CA0106 [CA0106], device 3: ca0106 [CA0106] Subdevices: 1/1 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 $ aplay -L default Playback/recording through the PulseAudio sound server sysdefault:CARD=CA0106 CA0106, CA0106 Default Audio Device front:CARD=CA0106,DEV=0 CA0106, CA0106 Front speakers rear:CARD=CA0106,DEV=0 CA0106, CA0106 Rear speakers center_lfe:CARD=CA0106,DEV=0 CA0106, CA0106 Center and Subwoofer speakers side:CARD=CA0106,DEV=0 CA0106, CA0106 Side speakers surround40:CARD=CA0106,DEV=0 CA0106, CA0106 4.0 Surround output to Front and Rear speakers surround41:CARD=CA0106,DEV=0 CA0106, CA0106 4.1 Surround output to Front, Rear and Subwoofer speakers surround50:CARD=CA0106,DEV=0 CA0106, CA0106 5.0 Surround output to Front, Center and Rear speakers surround51:CARD=CA0106,DEV=0 CA0106, CA0106 5.1 Surround output to Front, Center, Rear and Subwoofer speakers surround71:CARD=CA0106,DEV=0 CA0106, CA0106 7.1 Surround output to Front, Center, Side, Rear and Woofer speakers iec958:CARD=CA0106,DEV=0 CA0106, CA0106 IEC958 (S/PDIF) Digital Audio Output steve@smp4:~$ steve@smp4:~$ aplay -L default Playback/recording through the PulseAudio sound server sysdefault:CARD=CA0106 CA0106, CA0106 Default Audio Device front:CARD=CA0106,DEV=0 CA0106, CA0106 Front speakers rear:CARD=CA0106,DEV=0 CA0106, CA0106 Rear speakers center_lfe:CARD=CA0106,DEV=0 CA0106, CA0106 Center and Subwoofer speakers side:CARD=CA0106,DEV=0 CA0106, CA0106 Side speakers surround40:CARD=CA0106,DEV=0 CA0106, CA0106 4.0 Surround output to Front and Rear speakers surround41:CARD=CA0106,DEV=0 CA0106, CA0106 4.1 Surround output to Front, Rear and Subwoofer speakers surround50:CARD=CA0106,DEV=0 CA0106, CA0106 5.0 Surround output to Front, Center and Rear speakers surround51:CARD=CA0106,DEV=0 CA0106, CA0106 5.1 Surround output to Front, Center, Rear and Subwoofer speakers surround71:CARD=CA0106,DEV=0 CA0106, CA0106 7.1 Surround output to Front, Center, Side, Rear and Woofer speakers iec958:CARD=CA0106,DEV=0 CA0106, CA0106 IEC958 (S/PDIF) Digital Audio Output > > Since ALSA is the driver level pulseaudio has to coexist with it ;) Yes, but I mean coexist in the sense that applications that want to use ALSA can do so and will work; and applications that want to use pulseaudio will work too. -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1761787353.1052171.1347586774228.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Re: What is the procedure for patching the Debian kernel ?
On Sat, 29 Sep 2012 11:09:46 -0400 (EDT), Xelsior wrote: > ... > I did start to apply the extra patches to the Debian kernel another > way as test-patches is not recommended if you are making config > changes (following > http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ch-common-tasks.html#s4.2.3 > ). > ... > Then did "fakeroot debian/rules source". > > Then "fakeroot make -f debian/rules.gen binary-arch_i386_rt_686-pae" > (how do I do this with multiple CPU cores?). > > However this did not actually patch the correct files in the > debian/source directory. > > What is the procedure to correctly apply my patches > ... > Any help appreciated. I'm not sure if this will help or not, but you might want to take a look at http://users.wowway.com/~zlinuxman/Kernel.htm It might answer some of your questions. The above is an unofficial kernel building web page which does talk about applying patches, using multiple CPUs, etc. -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1758089097.179265.1348953552532.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Re: What is the procedure for patching the Debian kernel ?
On Sun, 30 Sep 2012 18:17:36 -0400 (EDT), Xelsior wrote: > > So, interesting document. > > I actually found an RT kernel in the repository ... the one linked > from here - http://wiki.debian.org/DebianMultimedia#Realtime_kernel > > However that does not have the patches applied to usb/audio for the > Electrix Ebox44. It also does not have ... > > CONFIG_HZ_1000=y > CONFIG_HZ=1000 > > Is there a SIMPLE procedure here to build this kernel image (or the > stock one that downloads the rt patch in a separate archive). > > All I need to do is build everything as it is out of the box ACCEPT > for a couple of patches to usb/audio AND the two config options. Of > course the revision string must be right otherwise there are conflicts > with linux-headers and DKMS. Building a custom kernel is not a simple procedure. Period. Of course, the more changes you make, the more complicated the procedure is. But even making a simple change involves doing a lot of things. If you have out-of-kernel-source-tree modules you need to build, and there is no Debian source package for it that is designed to work with kernel-package, then you will probably need to build custom headers, as well as a custom kernel. The document to which I referred explains how to do this, but the short answer is to use the kernel_headers target in addition to the kernel_image target. For example: fakeroot make-kpkg ... kernel_image kernel_headers Note that when building a headers package you must run the entire make-kpkg command under fakeroot: you can't use the --rootcmd fakeroot option in this case. -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/925925381.194221.1349055542693.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Re: What is the procedure for patching the Debian kernel ?
On Wed, 03 Oct 2012 03:02:20 -0400 (EDT), Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Sun, 30 Sep 2012 21:39:02 -0400 (EDT), Stephen Powell wrote: >> Note that when building a headers package you must run the entire >> make-kpkg command under fakeroot: you can't use the --rootcmd fakeroot >> option in this case. > > I always run > > make oldconfig > make-kpkg clean > make-kpkg --rootcmd fakeroot --initrd kernel-image kernel-headers > make-kpkg clean > dpkg -i ../linux-image-${KERNEL_UNAME}_${KERNEL_UNAME}-10.00.Custom_*.deb > dpkg -i ../linux-headers-${KERNEL_UNAME}_${KERNEL_UNAME}-10.00.Custom_*.deb > > by a script. It does work, but I run the script as root, so I guess I > could remove --rootcmd fakeroot ;), OTOH I suspect I used those lines as > user, before I build kernels by scripts as root. Yes, it does work as root, with or without the --rootcmd fakeroot option. ;-) And it works as a non-root user too, if you leave off the kernel_headers target. But I tested this specific scenario before I wrote what I wrote, and the --rootcmd fakeroot option does not work with the kernel_headers target if invoked by a non-root user. You must leave off the --rootcmd fakeroot option (to avoid nested invocations of fakeroot) and run the entire make-kpkg command under fakeroot if you use the kernel_headers target. -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1965044950.259258.1349308929486.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Re: Kernel documentation
On Sun, 21 Oct 2012 04:14:17 -0400 (EDT), Lisi wrote: > > > We advise studying the README files in this root directory of the kernel > source, and Documentation/Changes or the documentation index of the kernel in > Documentation/00-INDEX. > > > Presumably I have to download a kernel source to get at the README, but where > can I find the Documentation/00-INDEX? > > If I download an older kernel than the one that I am using, in oredr to read > the README file, will GRUB continue to use the present newer kernel? I am > still not very confident about editing GRUB 2. > > And yes, I have googled - and I'm afraid that I found the answers as clear as > mud. :-( If all you want to do is to browse the Linux source code and you don't want to build a custom kernel, I recommend the following web site: http://lxr.linux.no You can browse the source of just about any kernel release online using this web site. -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1872617213.603085.1350823856315.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Re: compiling (or rather, failing to compile) a kernel
On Sat, 10 Nov 2012 06:35:21 -0500 (EST), Lisi Reisz wrote: > > I have been trying to get to grips with compiling a custom kernel. I have > been shying away for too long. > > I am following Stephen's marvellous work, and had got this far: > > http://users.wowway.com/~zlinuxman/Kernel.htm#Unpack > > But I get errors the end of which is below. I tried to copy and paste all > the > error reports that Konsole gave me, but could not manage it. Advice, please! > > Thanks, > Lisi > > ... Hi, Lisi. My guess is that this is a permissions issue. Is your id a member of group src? (Issue the "groups" command and see if src is one of the groups listed in the output of the command.) Here is a summary of the permission environment that must exist before you attempt to unpack the source as a non-root user: (1) The directory /usr/src must be owned by user root and by group src. (2) The group (src) must have read, write, and execute permissions on /usr/src. (3) The group (src) must have the "set group id" permission on /usr/src. (4) Your non-root userid must be a member of group src. (5) The output of the "groups" command, when issued by your non-root userid, must list "src" as one of the groups. Please review the "Introduction" section of the document. -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/375643185.1015443.1352557917697.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Re: compiling (or rather, failing to compile) a kernel
On Sat, 10 Nov 2012 13:46:09 -0500 (EST), Martin Steigerwald wrote: > On Sat, 10 Nov 2012 Lisi Reisz wrote: >> I have been trying to get to grips with compiling a custom kernel. I >> have been shying away for too long. >> >> I am following Stephen's marvellous work, and had got this far: >> >> http://users.wowway.com/~zlinuxman/Kernel.htm#Unpack > > This appears to be really old. The above document was last revised on August 4, 2012. I wouldn't classify that as "really old". Perhaps you assumed that it is old because I recommend using kernel-package, rather than "make deb-pkg" or some other newer method. kernel-package has been around a while, yes. But I recommend it for what I consider to be good reasons, which are explained over time in the document. You are, of course, entitled to disagree with my opinion. But it's not old. I make an effort to keep it up to date, and suggestions are welcome. -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/153650158.1022236.1352587520895.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Re: compiling (or rather, failing to compile) a kernel
On Sun, 11 Nov 2012 05:16:29 -0500 (EST), Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > I remember one issue that occurred very often, > in /lib/modules/KERNEL_VERSION the /build and /source links were > missing or bad. > ... > "build -> /usr/src/linux-3.6.5-rt14" but correct would be linked > against "linux-headers-3.6.5-rt14". > IIRC this was an issue for my latest Debian installs too. I've never encountered this. Or if I have, I've never noticed it or it never mattered. I've built out-of-kernel-source-tree modules in conjunction with a custom kernel (by using the modules_image target) and I've also been forced to deal with out-of-kernel-source-tree Debian module packages that aren't designed to work with kernel-package (by using the kernel_headers target and dkms), but in both cases I had no trouble building the modules. Remember, for cases where the module source package is designed to work with kernel-package, you don't need to build or install a headers package in order to build the modules. That's one of the qualities I like. I think it's stupid to require that the user build and install a headers package when the entire kernel source tree is already installed. A headers package is a subset of the source tree, is it not? So why build or install a headers package if the source tree is installed? -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1957485600.1086639.1352864372291.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Re: compiling (or rather, failing to compile) a kernel
On Sun, 11 Nov 2012 13:06:31 -0500 (EST), Martin Steigerwald wrote: > > I found I misread references to 2.6.8. You raise an interesting point. Perhaps references to kernel-image vs. linux-image have outlived their usefulness by now. I will consider removing them in a future revision (and the references to 2.6.8 will disappear along with them). -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1717483459.1086707.1352864662370.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Re: Gnome3 probe
On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 07:27:47AM -0600, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: > phi debian wrote: > >Jeez, welcome lxde, adieu gnome3 !!! > > > >I installed a fresh debian in a guest as server, then apt-get install lxde. > > > >In a matter of minute I got a theme, with solid backgroud, my > >panel on the right, some usual goodies like synaptic, > >update-manager-gnome, > > > >So I know I will be able to move to this. > > > > > I installed lxde also. Big surprise: it pulled in 286 packages! And > I got yet another filemanager, network manager and a display manager > that I neither need nor wanted. Is there a truly lightweight install > of lxde? ---end quoted text--- Absolutely, install OpenBox sans LXDE. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20121228152158.ga18...@thinkpad.gateway.2wire.net
Re: how are you kids compiling kernels these days?
On Thu, 31 May 2012 06:18:06 -0400 (EDT), Tom H wrote: > > One of this list's regulars has a very good page: > > http://users.wowway.com/~zlinuxman/Kernel.htm > Thanks for the vote of confidence, Tom. By the way, I think a lot of the confusion in this thread comes from the fact that a linux kernel source package in Debian is classified as a *binary* package. Therefore, it is not installed with "apt-get source", and you must be root to install it. For example, # aptitude install linux-source-3.2 There is a corresponding Debian source package for this binary package, of course, and it is called, believe it or not, linux-2.6! You can install this Debian source package, if you want, by means of $ apt-get --only-source source linux-2.6 At the time of this writing, the version of this source package in the Wheezy archive is 3.2.18-1, which contains kernel source code from upstream kernel version 3.2.18. This issue, and many other "gotchas", are documented on the above- mentioned web page. If you plan to use make-kpkg or "make deb-pkg" to build the kernel, the "binary" package is the one you want to install. -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/820519640.1495507.1338517826421.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Re: Cancel debian-user
On Wed, 13 Jun 2012 20:14:27 -0400 (EDT), RICKEY SHUPE wrote: > > please discontinue all debian-user informational emails > > sincerely > rick To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". (This message appears in the signature line of every e-mail received from the list server.) -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1298572307.63762.1339637990067.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Re: Debian 6.0.5 and loadlin
On Sat, 16 Jun 2012 14:15:10 -0400 (EDT), Mike McClain wrote: > > I'm accustomed to running loadlin to launch different versions > of Linux from dos and it's worked dependably for me for many years. > I installed a copy of squeeze yesterday on a partition, copied the > kernel and initrd to C: and tried to boot into squeeze but it just > resets the computer. It's a P3 system w/ Intel mobo and 512MB ram. > I've used both these commands with the same result: > > loadlin vmlinuz.d60 root=/dev/sdb5 rw > loadlin vmlinuz.d60 root=/dev/sdb5 rw init=initrd.d60 > > Is there some reason the squeeze kernel won't run from loadlin > or is it the more likely scenario that I've goofed up somewhere? > > Thanks, > Mike Mike, this is just a guess, but it wouldn't surprise me if LOADLIN attempts to load both the kernel and the initial RAM file system below the 15M line, like LILO used to do. And with modern Linux kernels and their huge initial RAM file systems, there may not be enough room below the 15M line anymore. You might try using MODULES=dep in /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/driver-policy to reduce the size of the initial RAM file system. Of course, this is a catch 22: you have to be able to boot that kernel first, somehow, then edit the above file, then run update-initramfs -uk $(uname -r) to rebuild the initial RAM file system while you are running the kernel in question. Then re-copy the initial RAM file system to DOS and try LOADLIN again. Don't try running update-initramfs while running some other kernel. Cross-building an initial RAM file system is a bad idea when using MODULES=dep. Have you considered switching to LILO? http://users.wowway.com/~zlinuxman/lilo.htm -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/457307291.114109.1339893021424.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Re: Not getting mailing list response in my inbox
On Sat, Jun 23, 2012 at 05:06:03PM +0100, Brad Rogers wrote: > On Sun, 24 Jun 2012 00:20:46 +0900 > Osamu Aoki wrote: > > Hello Osamu, > > >Then Gmail do not put looped mail into your inbox. > > AIUI, OP is bemoaning lack of _responses_ to queries, not the failure by > gmail to return own messages. ---end quoted text--- Perhaps. In any event the responses and the OP will be in the "All Mail" label/mailbox. It's a feature, surprised this is the only time the OP noticed it. :) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120624135625.ga9...@thinkpad.gateway.2wire.net
Blog Post re libav vs ffmpeg
Hi folks: Interesting blog-post here (1) on the controversy. Any particular reason why Debian decided to go the libav route and what about the quote in the article where it mentions that the Debian Packager is spreading misinformation? As a Debian user for some time I'm astonished that Debian decided to go the libav route if this blog post is accurate; http://blog.pkh.me/p/13-the-ffmpeg-libav-situation.html The author seems quite level headed about his reasoning which do make quite a bit of sense to this reader. Regards, Stephen Allen (1) http://blog.pkh.me/p/13-the-ffmpeg-libav-situation.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120702143131.ga18...@thinkpad.gateway.2wire.net
Re: mutt messed up. colors black on black cant read any messages
On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 11:55:33PM -0400, Mitchell Laks wrote: > > > > Do you source config files from somewhere else? > > What happens when you comment out _all_ color statements? > > That didnt change anything. > > However I noticed that the /tmp file system was full (some pulse_* files) . > > So I rebooted :( > > then all the temp files went away and mutt returned to normal functioning > > and I am writing this in mutt! Might consider running Bleachbit in root mode from time to time. It will clean temp out for you if you enable that option. It's in Debian. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120703151021.ga7...@thinkpad.gateway.2wire.net
Re: custom kernel without initrd and with udev
On Fri, 06 Jul 2012 19:08:14 -0400 (EDT), Mike McClain wrote: > > While surely no expert I've been building my own kernels for > a long time with little trouble but with a recent install of > 'Squeeze' I'm stumped. I've built, reconfigured, built again for > several days now. No joy. I've spent hours Googling for any and > everybody's thoughts on the error: 'Kernel panic - not syncing: > VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)' with little luck. > > Some one did suggest I decompile the initrd that shipped with > the install. On doing that I discovered that the device files for > the harddrive are created before the drive is mounted. Booting an > 'Etch' partition I see that Squeeze's /dev/ is all but empty when > Squeeze is not running which may have something to do with the > failure to mount the root partition. > > Is anyone running a custom kernel without an initrd with udev? > Any tips, pointers will be appreciated. It's getting harder and harder to get along without an initrd these days. Why is it so important to you not to use one? As others have pointed out, using a UUID or LABEL specification for the root file system makes it impossible to get the root file system mounted if you don't use an initrd. And with modern Linux kernels, I don't recommend using a traditional device specification, such as /dev/sda1, because the assignment of kernel minor device numbers and user space device names no longer can be counted on to occur in any particular order. It may vary from one boot to the next. My advice is to "bite the bullet" and convert, permanently, to using an initrd. By the way, you may find my kernel-building web page useful: http://users.wowway.com/~zlinuxman/Kernel.htm -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/528777112.144205.1341676438114.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Re: Loadlin and Squeeze kernel 2.6.32
On Fri, 06 Jul 2012 19:19:20 -0400 (EDT), Mike McClain wrote: > > I've used loadlin.exe for years but with my recent install of > Squeeze loadlin reboots the computer rather than launching Debian. > > The flip side of the issue is that grub2 resets the computer > trying to launch kernels that loadlin launches with no problem. > > Can anyone point me at info other than the sources (over my head) > to explain the problem and/or a solution? If I recall correctly, LOADLIN tries to load both the kernel and the initial RAM file system below the 15M line, and with modern Linux kernels, there just isn't enough room down there. You may be able to extend the life of LOADLIN by creating a stripped-down initrd. For example, create or edit a file called /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/driver-policy and specify MODULES=dep in there, then re-build your initial RAM file system with update-initramfs -uk $(uname -r) Do this while the kernel of interest is running. Then shutdown and boot DOS, then try LOADLIN again. But I don't know if LOADLIN is being actively maintained anymore. If I were you, I'd switch to LILO. That is what I use. My LILO web page may be helpful to you in that regard. http://users.wowway.com/~zlinuxman/lilo.htm -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/234756348.144406.1341676936310.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Re: custom kernel without initrd and with udev
On Sat, 07 Jul 2012 12:53:27 -0400 (EDT), Dom wrote: > On 07/07/12 16:53, Stephen Powell wrote: >> It's getting harder and harder to get along without an initrd these >> days. Why is it so important to you not to use one? As others >> have pointed out, using a UUID or LABEL specification for the root >> file system makes it impossible to get the root file system mounted >> if you don't use an initrd. > > I didn't know that. > > It seems my kernel doesn't either, because it is working just fine with > UUIDs and no initrd ;-) > > I agree there are issues with labels though, which is a pity. In a typical Debian boot, a root file system of some sort is mounted three times: the first is the mount of the initial RAM file system, specified by the boot loader. (In LILO, it is the "initrd" configuration file statement.) The second is the mount of the permanent root file system read-only, also specified by the boot loader. (In LILO, it is the "root" configuration file statement.) The third is the mount of the permanent root file system read/write, as specified in /etc/fstab. Obviously, if you're not using an initial RAM file system, there are only two mounts of the root file system. The one I'm talking about is the first read-only one specified by the boot loader. I don't see how a UUID specification is going to work there if there is no initial RAM file system. It may be possible to build modules into the kernel, so that an initial RAM file system is not needed to load kernel modules from. But a user- space process, such as udev, cannot be started until there is some kind of root file system to read it from. One can't build a user-space process into the kernel! I can believe that a UUID specification in /etc/fstab would work, but I can't see how a UUID specification in the boot loader would work. It is my understanding that udev is responsible for reading the UUIDs and LABELs and creating the corresponding block special files in /dev and symbolic links to them in /dev/disk. If there is no initrd, how can udev be started? I don't see how this can work. Are you sure that a UUID specification is being used in the boot loader, as well as in /etc/fstab? -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/113719236.146733.1341683396826.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Re: getting gnome 3
On Sat, Jul 07, 2012 at 07:39:37PM +0100, Alan Chandler wrote: > > > I know I go against most people when I say that now I've gotten used > to Gnome3 I really like it and would not want to go back. It may be > that I run a two screen set-up, but for me the really nice features > are +100 Like you I disliked it at 1st but after a month I realized it's faster than Gnome2 and less buggy. The extensions allow one to get most of the so called lost functionality back. No way I'd want to go back to Gnome2. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120711003110.ga14...@thinkpad.gateway.2wire.net
Re: Debian stable chromium does not open Facebook
On Sun, Jul 08, 2012 at 12:33:13PM -0600, Bob Proulx wrote: > John W. Foster wrote: > > Not sure what the issue is, but, I recently installed debian stable > > chromium and set it as the default browser. > > This is one of areas where I completely disagree with the Debian > methodology. Debian shipped Chromium and Firefox/Iceweasel in their > stable release. That was bad. It was bad because it allowed you to > install it thinking it would be what you wanted. But it isn't. It > can't be. It's availability causes problems. Yup agreed -- That was what I thought the purpose of volatile was. I'd like Debian to keep up with the current release of Google-Chrome with the equivalent build of Chromium (both stable & beta) but I'd settle on just a current stable vs of Chromium tracking Google-Chrome Stable. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120711003954.gb14...@thinkpad.gateway.2wire.net
Re: Loadlin and Squeeze kernel 2.6.32
On Sat, 14 Jul 2012 16:14:47 -0400 (EDT), Camaleón wrote: > > *** > Write Generic Boot Code to MBR > Replaces the current MBR with generic, operating system independent code. > *** > > Why this option? I can't tell and I don't know (because I have not directly > tested) if there's any difference between choosing this and installing no > bootloader at all. To be sincere, I don't know if by selecting no bootloader > you can boot at all, I mean, directly from your hard disk with no other > helpers > :-? Perhaps you (and others) may find my LILO web page helpful in this regard. http://users.wowway.com/~zlinuxman/lilo.htm Although it is LILO-specific and Debian-specific, there is nonetheless some discussion about the boot process in general which may shed some light on this subject. HTH -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/232428642.287040.1342298632191.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Re: Loadlin and Squeeze kernel 2.6.32
On Sat, 14 Jul 2012 19:11:41 -0400 (EDT), Tom H wrote: > > Thanks for the info and the links. You've misunderstood me. I didn't > say that Linux could boot without a bootloader. I said that I didn't > understand the purpose of the "Generic Boot Code" since other > distributions don't use it when installing grub to a PBR. I realize that your remarks above are directed to Camaleón, but some kind of boot code has to be in the Master Boot Record (MBR). Otherwise, the BIOS cannot boot from the hard disk. If you install GRUB2 (or any other boot loader for that matter) to a Volume Boot Record, then some kind of generic boot code, boot code which chain loads whichever partition is marked active, must be installed in the Master Boot Record. Either other distributions install such boot code without asking, or they either assume or verify that such boot code is already there. For example, an install of Linux on a hard disk that already has Windows (and only Windows) installed on it would not need to install "generic boot code", since it is already there by means of Windows. On the other hand, if you have a hard disk that has been wiped clean by DBAN, or something similar, then there is no generic boot code in the MBR. If you have previously installed a Linux boot loader to the hard disk's MBR, then you probably need to install generic boot code in the MBR to wipe out whatever boot loader used to be there if you now want to install GRUB2 (or any other Linux boot loader) to a VBR. -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/587618271.293683.1342366893455.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Re: Instability in Wheezy system
On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 10:22:23PM -0500, Mark Allums wrote: > I can say that Chrome and Chromium themselves very unstable on all > my systems. Not true on any of my boxen. Running Chromium from Debian SID. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120727133537.ga3...@thinkpad.gateway.2wire.net
Re: internet probably broken
On Sat, Jul 28, 2012 at 12:12:11PM -0400, Jude DaShiell wrote: > Hit http://security.debian.org wheezy/updates/non-free amd64 Packages > 47% [Waiting for headers] [Waiting for headers] [Waiting for headers]E: > Method gave invalid 200 URI Start message > > Every contact made with http.debian.net eventually gave the kind of > message shown above today. Probaly some link in the internet between me > and all of these servers got broken. Eventually I'll be able to do a full > aptitude update but apparently not today. I'm confused. You're using debian.net OR debian.org? AFAK *net is the official address for repositories. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120729012827.ga8...@thinkpad.gateway.2wire.net
Re: internet probably broken
On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 06:53:42PM +1200, Chris Bannister wrote: > On Sat, Jul 28, 2012 at 09:28:27PM -0400, Stephen Allen wrote: > > On Sat, Jul 28, 2012 at 12:12:11PM -0400, Jude DaShiell wrote: > > > Hit http://security.debian.org wheezy/updates/non-free amd64 Packages > > > 47% [Waiting for headers] [Waiting for headers] [Waiting for headers]E: > > > Method gave invalid 200 URI Start message > > > > > > Every contact made with http.debian.net eventually gave the kind of > > > message shown above today. Probaly some link in the internet between me > > > and all of these servers got broken. Eventually I'll be able to do a > > > full > > > aptitude update but apparently not today. > > > > I'm confused. You're using debian.net OR debian.org? AFAK *net is the > > official address for repositories. > > JFTR > Other way around. :) > debian.net -- unnoficial Correct, and I meant to type that; honest! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120729132715.ga13...@thinkpad.gateway.2wire.net
Re: Debian desktop news
On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 09:55:13AM -0400, Dan Ritter wrote: > On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 09:33:04AM -0400, Guy Gold wrote: > GNOME 3 is quite different from the GNOME 2 series, and has made > some people correspondingly upset. XFCE is fairly similar to > GNOME 2, and may suit those people better. In particular, GNOME > 3 really wants 3D accelerated video. XFCE doesn't care much > about that. > I've heard this said by other prior too. Gnome-Shell works fine on an older circa 2005 IBM X41 laptop. I've been running it since it came to SID. The main criteria in my experience is having enough RAM. I have 1.5 Gb and Gnome-Shell runs in about a 300 Mb of ram, and that's with a handful of Gnome-Shell-Extensions to boot. It runs faster and much smoother than Gnome 2 ever did on this laptop! So please lets stop the misinformation. Anything using the GTK2 toolkit is a step backward simply because of the outstanding bugs that will never be fixed. GTK3 and Gnome-Shell are an improvement in terms of speed. If one wants the older look of the GTK2 Gnome interface, it can be had, using Cinnamon. MATE isn't going anywhere in the future because it relies on buggy GTK2. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120812035853.ga10...@thinkpad.gateway.2wire.net
Re: Debian desktop news
On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 06:09:19AM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Sat, 2012-08-11 at 23:58 -0400, Stephen Allen wrote: > > So please lets stop the misinformation. > > GNOME3 eats much more resources. GNOME3 breaks every sane workflow for > artist. Of course it does, as I stated, Again, on an old laptop like mine as stated, I have hand no problem running Debian Gnome-Shell for some time. In terms of work-flow, being a "sane" one is quite subjective. I understand that most people don't like to adapt to new things and get set in their ways -- but if we all did that, no progress would ever be made. Tends to get worse as we age too, which makes moi quite an anomaly. Ralf have you tried Cinnamon? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120812180055.ga6...@thinkpad.gateway.2wire.net
Re: DISQUS
On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 04:11:18PM +1000, Barry White wrote: > DISQUS appears to be written to be compatible with windows only, is > this correct ? You mean the 3rd party commenting api that some organizations/folks use on their blogs? Don't think so, I installed it recently on my Google Blogspot blog. Works fine. Pretty sure Google isn't using Window's Servers and I know that it works on Linux/MacOS/MSFT browsers client side. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120812180607.gb6...@thinkpad.gateway.2wire.net
Re: Off topic Gimp-2.8_Save and save as bad behavior
On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 03:58:55PM +, Camaleón wrote: > Developer's choices can be changed when enough people think they're wrong > or simply badly put. That's when you can open a "wishlist" bug report to > politely ask for a review of the default settings. OpenSource Development isn't a democracy. BTW This change isn't going to be reverted. It's the way pros work in the Graphics Industry when they're using layering and alpha channels. They need a way to save non-destructively and with all content. If people don't like the way GIMP is working in 2.8 then they most likely aren't the target audience that the GIMP developers are aiming for. It's not like there aren't lots of simple editors about, so choose one that fits the work-flow you wish to use. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120814005924.ga6...@thinkpad.gateway.2wire.net
Is my processor 32-bit or 64-bit?
Several years ago a friend, who owns his own business, gave me one of his old servers because he knows that computers are my hobby. It's been sitting around my basement since then, but it has finally worked its way to the top of my "to do" list. I just fired it up for the first time yesterday. Basically, I am trying to determine if this is a 64-bit- capable machine or not, and I can't tell. Here's what the BIOS setup program reports for the CPU: Boot Strap Processor Installed Speed: 2.40 GHz Socket Name: BSP Manufacturer:GenuineIntel Version: Intel(R) Xeon(TM) CPUID: 0F27 L2 Cache:512 KB I consulted Wikipedia's web page on Intel Processors (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_microprocessors), but was unable to find a processor in the list which met all the criteria (Xeon in the name, speed, and L2 cache). The machine has a Phoenix BIOS, version 1.28, dated 05/22/2003. That may help narrow things down. (For example, it is unlikely that a processor introduced in 2008 would be given a BIOS dated in 2003.) Any ideas? Oh, one other thing. Hyper-Threading was enabled in the BIOS, suggesting that, as viewed by an operating system, the machine has at least two CPUs. But that may not be 100% reliable. The machine has 1 GB of RAM installed. (Two 512M SIMMs and 2 empty SIMM slots.) -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1377377155.557358.1345513590091.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Re: Is my processor 32-bit or 64-bit?
On Mon, 20 Aug 2012 21:50:32 -0400 (EDT), Yang Chengwei wrote: > > Find out if long-mode is supported by you CPU, for example. > $ grep -o lm /proc/cpuinfo I don't have Linux installed yet. (I'm trying to determine if I want to install the i386 or amd64 port.) Windows Server 2003 is installed, but I don't know a valid userid/password combination to log in. All I can access right now is the BIOS setup program. -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1007445951.557457.1345514106953.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
[SOLVED] Is my processor 32-bit or 64-bit?
On Tue, 21 Aug 2012 04:18:52 -0400 (EDT), Stan Hoeppner wrote: > > Yep. CPUID 0F27 makes this CPU a Prestonia Xeon, 130nm, in essence a > Northwood P4, the only difference being the model#, CPUID, and branding. > Intel introduced EM64T (x86-64) with the 90nm chips. > > This CPU is 32bit x86 only. Stan, Stan, the hardware man! I knew you'd know! Where did you find the information that correlates CPUIDs with processor characteristics? I don't suppose you'd have a URL handy, now would you? Next time, I can check myself and not have to bother the list. Thanks to all who responded. -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1357692593.580894.1345601046019.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Re: OT: man in the middle attack ?
On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 10:08:33AM -0300, Eduardo M KALINOWSKI wrote: > On Ter, 21 Ago 2012, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > >I used sarcasm, but using sarcasm is bad behavior. And I'm not proud > >when I misbehave. > > The problem is that it is not the first time you "misbehave". Nor > the second, or even third. Not to mention the times where you don't > actually say anything particularly offensive, but use this list as a > personal space to rant about anything you don't like. +100 I'm a lurker mostly but have been here a long time; your assessment seems quite accurate from where I sit. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120822121418.ga13...@thinkpad.gateway.2wire.net
Re: [SOLVED] Is my processor 32-bit or 64-bit?
On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 04:41:26 -0400 (EDT), Stan Hoeppner wrote: > On 8/21/2012 9:04 PM, Stephen Powell wrote: >> >> Stan, Stan, the hardware man! I knew you'd know! Where did you find >> the information that correlates CPUIDs with processor characteristics? > > Simplicity. Google "CPUID 0F27". First hit is: > http://www.cpu-world.com/sspec/SL/SL6YH.html > > That tells us 0F27 is the Northwood core. >> >> I don't suppose you'd have a URL handy, now would you? Next time, I can >> check myself and not have to bother the list. > > Once we have the above info, Wikipedia tells us the Northwood chips were > all 130nm, and that EM64T wasn't introduced until the 90nm series. The > 2.4GHz/512KB/400MHz Prestonia CPUID 0F27 was released in April 2002. > Nacona (90nm) with EM64T was introduced over two years later, in June 2004. Hmm. Well, it appears that CPUIDs are not unique. I've done some more research, and it appears that CPUID is just one more piece of evidence, which must be considered along with all the other known characteristics, in order to figure out what one has. One other piece of evidence that I needed, but did not tell the list, is that the chipset is the Intel 7500 chipset, which means that the effective bus speed is 400 MHz. (The actual bus speed is 100 MHz, but the processor operates at Quad bus speed, making the effective bus speed 400 MHz.) The CPU World web site which you pointed me to was very helpful though. After some more research, I believe that this is the right web page (watch out for a wrapped URL): http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/Xeon/Intel-Xeon%202.4%20GHz%20-%20RN80532KC056512%20%28BX80532KC2400D%20-%20BX80532KC2400DU%29.html The CPUID of 0F27h means that the S-spec number is either QML8, SL6EP, or SL6K2. QML8 is unlikely, since this is a Quality Sample. The bottom line: it is most definitely a 32-bit CPU. It does have 2 hyperthreads; so a Linux kernel with SMP enabled will see 2 logical processors. Now, my next step is to figure out what memory SIMMs to order. I'd like to install four 1G SIMMs, if they exist for this motherboard. But the devil is in the details. During POST, when the RAM is being tested, the following appears on the screen: SE7500CW20.86B.0034.P17.0522031027 Maybe that means something to you? -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/166902331.603426.1345689479917.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Re: [SOLVED] Is my processor 32-bit or 64-bit?
On Thu, 23 Aug 2012 03:07:49 -0400 (EDT), Stan Hoeppner wrote: > Stephen Powell wrote: >> Now, my next step is to figure out what memory SIMMs to order. >> I'd like to install four 1G SIMMs, if they exist for this motherboard. >> But the devil is in the details. > > DIMMs not SIMMs. ;) SIMMs haven't been used in new systems for about 15 > years. Right. They are Dual In-line Memory Modules, not Single In-line Memory Modules. Old habits die hard. > > You probably won't find that registered ECC DDR200 through retail > channels because of its age. If you do it'll likely be $100+/stick. > Here's the best deal I found on Ebay: > http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lot-of-14-PC1600-DDR-200-Registered-ECC-1GB-Server-Memory-Micron-Samsung-/130718246446?pt=US_Memory_RAM_&hash=item1e6f6a262e Hmm. I'm not even sure if this is the right kind of memory. Plus, I only need 4. What would I do with the other 10? I went to the web site of an outfit I've dealt with before, http://www.oempcworld.com, and I found a way to specify my system by entering the motherboard number. I told it I had an Intel SE7500CW2. Here's the page it took me to: http://www.oempcworld.com/configurator/configurator.php?mch=SE7500CW2&mfr=Intel&mdn=SE7500+Mainboard+Series They are charging about $30 per DIMM, so four of them would be about $120. > > $50 for old RAM or $110 few all new guts? $110 gets you a new Foxconn > AM3 mobo, 2.8GHz 1MB L2 64bit 45 watt single core AMD retail CPU, and > 4GB DDR3-1333 dual channel RAM-- 6.6x the memory bandwidth of the > Netburst Xeon. > > http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103888 > http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813186189 > http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148541 > > I've used this combo to refurb 2 old machines now, including the machine > from which I've typing this. No problems so far with exactly one year > on this one. I've got a dual core Regor 3GHz 2x1MB L2 in this box. > > If a single core 2.8 64bit Sempron is insufficient for your workload, > add $25 for a 65 watt 3.2GHz dual core AthlonII X2, $135 total: > http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103873 Hmm. That's worth mulling over. But I generally like to get hardware when it's at least 3 or 4 years old. That way, I can usually run Debian stable and have all the device drivers work with no problems. I worry particularly about the mobo with an on-board bleeding edge Nvidia video chipset. This thing is about 10 years old, but since it was originally intended to be used as a high-end server, it should make a decent desktop system even today. > > As long as the PSU has the 4-pin CPU power plug, and it should being a > Xeon board, you shouldn't need to replace anything else. And you've > basically got a brand new system, sans drives, for $110-135. I don't see the 4-pin CPU power plug to which you refer coming out of the power supply. (Yes, I finally broke down and took the cover off.) Of course, it does have several spare 4-pin power connectors designed for peripherals, such as hard disks, CD-ROM drives, etc. But I suspect you are referring to something smaller. -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/2073239832.67.1345768094127.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Re: [SOLVED] Is my processor 32-bit or 64-bit?
On Fri, 24 Aug 2012 06:16:12 -0400 (EDT), Stan Hoeppner wrote: > Stephen Powell wrote: >> I don't see the 4-pin CPU power plug to which you refer coming out >> of the power supply. (Yes, I finally broke down and took the cover >> off.) Of course, it does have several spare 4-pin power connectors >> designed for peripherals, such as hard disks, CD-ROM drives, etc. >> But I suspect you are referring to something smaller. > ... > The new 8 pin aux standard provides 4 +12V leads and 4 > grounds. > ... OK, now we're getting somewhere. There is an eight-pin connector coming from the power supply that plugs directly into the motherboard, in addition to a 24-pin connector coming from the power supply which also plugs directly into the motherboard. -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1911564965.627983.1345809241358.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Re: shutdown and restart menu item disappeared from user menu
On Sun, Jun 09, 2013 at 04:38:40AM -0400, A Fascilla wrote: > > "Kailash" wrote: > > >You can install gnome-shell-extensions and you should have the power off > >option available. > >https://extensions.gnome.org/ > > Now I have understood it is the "Alternative Status Menu" extension > > https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/5/alternative-status-menu/ > > and can be enable or disabled from the link above or from > > https://extensions.gnome.org/local/ > > (I write this here so that who has the same problem can easily find how to > make the change.) > > > I have to conclude that I had it always been installed (since transition > from squeeze) and I had never realized that what I see was not the normal > plain gnome. > > I am pretty sure I have not turned it off, so it is a little strange that the > menu changed (the only thing I remember I have done was to use the suspend > function, while I usually use the shutdown). > > I have struggled to look in the gnome options, but with no luck. And now I > can understand the reason: it is an extension not an option. > Thank you very much, Kailash, this solve the mystery ... > and many thanks to Antti too If you install the "Advanced Settings" panel (Google for it re Gnome-Shell) you can enable/disable all installed Gnome-Shell extensions. I love Gnome-Shell -- Didn't at first, but it grows on you. :) > Sincerely, > > Andrea Fascilla > > -- Cheers, Stephen, Toronto My Google+ Profile | http://goo.gl/JbQsq -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130609113811.ga10...@thunkpad.gateway.2wire.net
Re: Debian is the best!
On Thu, 20 Jun 2013 11:09:27 -0400 (EDT), Dirk wrote: > > how does grub boot a kernel better than lilo? > > this is all [expletive deleted]... the linux community is now full of people > who > speak like some marketing shills... > > freedesktop reinvents windows badly.. > > and now people are talking themselves into that they need features > /before/ the OS kernel has been loaded... so much [expletive deleted] fail... > > if i was younger and still more caring it would really hurt to see this > [expletive deleted]... > > we live in the age of aggressive reputation management now... forums and > mailing lists have become cancers.. > > [expletive deleted] you all I understand your frustration. However, the use of foul language on Debian mailing lists is prohibited. Please refrain from using it. See http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/#codeofconduct If you have had it with grub2 and wish to switch back to lilo, see my lilo web page at http://users.wowway.com/~zlinuxman/lilo.htm -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1992172927.1807993.1371770150034.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Re: GNOME 3 non-responsive?
On Sun, Jun 23, 2013 at 05:02:39PM +0100, MRH wrote: > Hi, > > I run Debian wheezy/sid. After recent updates (resulting in mix of > GNOME 3.4 / 3.8 the new gnome shell has became unresponsive. I mean > I can log in, but then there is no top panel, no window top frames > (so I cannot minimise / close windows), I cannot access windows / > activities. To log off I need to use Alt-F2 and run > gnome-session-quit, or just kill a session from a console. > > gnome-classic works though. > > Anyone else has experienced that problem, is it 'fixable' at the > moment, or do I need to wait for some further sid updates? > > PS. I know, I run sid, so I'm not winging, but would be nice if > there was a solution :) > > Kind regards, > Michal ---end quoted text--- You probably were too hasty to do the upgrade. FWIU the transition to Gnome 3.8 is ongoing and probably not finished. Wait a few days and try again. -- Cheers, Stephen, Toronto My Google+ Profile | http://goo.gl/JbQsq -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130624092202.ga30...@thunkpad.gateway.2wire.net
How do I pad files in Linux?
I have a need to pad a binary file with some character (probably a null character) so that its total length is a multiple of some number. For example, I have a file called kernel.debian, whose size is 6319616 bytes. I need to pad it with nulls until its length is a multiple of 80. The next higher multiple of 80 is 6319680, which can be obtained by padding the file with 64 null characters. In CMS, the FBLOCK CMS Pipelines stage will do the trick. For example, PIPE < KERNEL DEBIAN A1 | FBLOCK 80 00 | > KERNEL1 DEBIAN A1 F This will create an output file with fixed-length 80-byte records, padded as necessary at the end with null characters, so that all records are exactly 80 bytes long. I am looking for a way to do this padding in Linux. A search of the internet using the keywords "pad file Linux" did not seem to produce any useful results. Does anyone know how to accomplish this? -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/173555076.1944854.1372523652842.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Re: How do I pad files in Linux? (SOLVED)
On Sat, 29 Jun 2013 13:19:22 -0400 (EDT), Tixy wrote: > > On Sat, 2013-06-29 at 12:34 -0400, Stephen Powell wrote: >> >> I have a need to pad a binary file with some character >> (probably a null character) so that its total length >> is a multiple of some number. For example, I have a file >> called kernel.debian, whose size is 6319616 bytes. I need >> to pad it with nulls until its length is a multiple of 80. >> The next higher multiple of 80 is 6319680, which can be >> obtained by padding the file with 64 null characters. >> In CMS, the FBLOCK CMS Pipelines stage will do the trick. >> For example, >> >>PIPE < KERNEL DEBIAN A1 | FBLOCK 80 00 | > KERNEL1 DEBIAN A1 F >> >> This will create an output file with fixed-length 80-byte >> records, padded as necessary at the end with null characters, >> so that all records are exactly 80 bytes long. >> >> I am looking for a way to do this padding in Linux. >> A search of the internet using the keywords "pad file Linux" >> did not seem to produce any useful results. Does anyone know >> how to accomplish this? > > truncate -s %80 FILENAME > > Will pad with zero's to round size up to a multiple of 80. Thank you, Tixy, that's exactly what I wanted to know! I knew that there must be a way to do this, but I couldn't figure out how. By the way, I also tried the command apropos pad But it didn't yield any useful results either. truncate Who would have thought? That would appear to be the opposite of what I want to do. I want to pad, not truncate. But truncate can also pad. How about that! Thanks again! -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1952171005.1945999.1372529697239.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Re: How do I pad files in Linux?
On Sat, 29 Jun 2013 14:23:51 -0400 (EDT), Stan Hoeppner wrote: > On 6/29/2013 12:19 PM, Tixy wrote: >> >> truncate -s %80 FILENAME >> >> Will pad with zero's to round size up to a multiple of 80. > > That'll teach me to read all posts before replying. Question: > > Does this append ASCII zeros to the end of the file, or nulls? Stephen > asked for nulls, and you state "zero's" above. It appends hex zeros (0x00), or nulls. Also known as ^@ characters. The ASCII zero is 0x30. -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/75239159.1946418.1372533440767.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
"Operation not permitted" error when using su
I have discovered a problem recently when using su to switch to a user other than root on a Gnome Terminal session. Let's say I login to the graphical desktop using a userid of "fred". When I launch a Gnome Terminal session, I'm automatically logged in as "fred". Now, let's suppose I switch to user "barney" by using su barney After entering the password for user "barney", my userid changes to "barney" in that session. (whoami reports "barney".) I then change to barney's home directory with "cd", issued with no operands. Now, certain commands will cause error messages to the terminal. For example, if I issue vi stuff Then exit vi with :q, I am back to another shell prompt, but there is an error message on the screen which looks like this: Error: messages not turned on: /dev/pts/0: Operation not permitted (vi is actually nvi on my system.) This problem does not occur in a virtual terminal (vt1-vt6). It also does not occur if I switch to root, instead of a non-root user. A search of the internet seemed to suggest that the problem was the presence of "biff y" in a bash profile. However, I have looked, and I cannot find "biff y" specified in any bash-related file. (I am running jessie.) In fact, the biff package is not even installed. Ideas anyone? -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/402356644.1946777.1372536041381.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Re: "Operation not permitted" error when using su
On Sat, 29 Jun 2013 16:07:54 -0400 (EDT), David Guntner wrote: > > Stephen Powell grabbed a keyboard and wrote: >> >>Error: messages not turned on: /dev/pts/0: Operation not permitted >> >> (vi is actually nvi on my system.) >> This problem does not occur in a virtual terminal (vt1-vt6). It also >> does not occur if I switch to root, instead of a non-root user. >> >> A search of the internet seemed to suggest that the problem was the >> presence of "biff y" in a bash profile. However, I have looked, and >> I cannot find "biff y" specified in any bash-related file. (I am running >> jessie.) In fact, the biff package is not even installed. Ideas anyone? > > Since it's complaining about messages not being turned on, try "mesg y" > and see if that helps. I just tried that. "mesg y" produced no output and no error messages, but a subsequent execution of vi produced the same error on exit as before. -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/644172295.1946934.1372537018465.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Re: "Operation not permitted" error when using su
On Sat, 29 Jun 2013 16:26:56 -0400 (EDT), David Guntner wrote: > > No, it won't output a message when you set it y or n. Not sure I > understand why vi is doing something that needs a messages channel > turned on. And it's kind of hard to guess without seeing actual output. :-) > > You said you had done some su commands before invoking vi, if I recall > correctly. Did you try doing the "mesg y" command at the initial login > point, before su'ing to the user where you're trying to run vi? Yes, I tried that too. No difference. -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/7449658.1947240.1372538833179.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Re: the continuing disappointment of Debian 7
On Sat, 29 Jun 2013 18:07:14 -0400 (EDT), Jeff Shearer wrote: > > Iceweasel crashes all the time and cannot play flash I'm sorry things aren't working well for you, but that has not been my experience. I'm running jessie now, but I was running wheezy for a long time, and your experience does not match my experience. For me, iceweasel never crashed (except for a power failure, which is hardly Debian's fault), and flash played just fine. (Of course, I was using flash-plugin-nonfree, not the default free player.) -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1918330956.1947914.1372544285762.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Re: "Operation not permitted" error when using su
On Sat, 29 Jun 2013 18:39:32 -0400 (EDT), Chris Bannister wrote: > > Is there a difference if you " su - barney" ? No, there is no difference. I still get the same error. -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1462006945.1948292.1372547161473.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Re: Gnome3 HS after update
On Sun, Jun 30, 2013 at 12:59:51PM +0200, Jean-Marc wrote: > Hi everybody, > > I updated my jessie and Gnome3 does not start anymore. > Actually, it starts but I never got any menu. > > Do other people got the same ? > > -- > Jean-Marc ---end quoted text--- Yup same here, installed Cinnamon until things are sorted. Actually enjoying the improvements to Cinnamon since last used. -- Cheers, Stephen, Toronto My Google+ Profile | http://goo.gl/JbQsq -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130702115501.ga8...@thunkpad.gateway.2wire.net
Re: [SOLVED] Gnome3 HS after update
On Tue, Jul 02, 2013 at 01:15:48PM +0800, Stephane Duchesne wrote: > Noticed the same Gnome3 behaviour in Jessie. Gnome started but without > statusbar and > without window decorations. > Gnome Classic works fine. > > "Expect Jessie to be a bumpy ride," #gnome-next on oftc suggests. > Especially if you are running Gnome, and at least until all 3.8.x components > have percolated into Jessie, I reckon. > > Gnome-shell in Sid is now 3.4.2-10 and working absolutely fine, indeed. I > might > stick with Sid for a while. > > There's still quite a few crucial components to go: > http://www.0d.be/debian/debian-gnome-3.8-status.html > > Seems it is all coming together nicely, though. ---end quoted text--- Thanks for the update -- Using Cinnamon until 3.8 percolates to Jessie. -- Cheers, Stephen, Toronto My Google+ Profile | http://goo.gl/JbQsq -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130702115707.gb8...@thunkpad.gateway.2wire.net
Re: Help - Gnome Died After Update/Upgrade
On Tue, Jul 02, 2013 at 05:10:33PM +0200, Steven Post wrote: > On Tue, 2013-07-02 at 07:59 -0700, Mark Phillips wrote: > > I have been running Debian testing on my laptop for several years. I > > performed a "routine" update/upgrade on Sunday, and I seem to have > > lost gnome. At first, I could not log in, but I got that fixed. > > However, when I log in, all I get is my wallpaper. No favorites on the > > left, no window docks (not sure of the terminology here) on the right, > > no taskbar at the top, etc. Just a wall paper. I also get an error > > message "No system tray detected, unable to start". However, I traced > > that back to an hp printer service, so I don't think it is relevant. > > > > I have tried uninstalling/installing gnome, but no change. I tried > > creating an new user and logging in with that user, and I get the same > > situation - but the default wall paper and not my personal one. I have > > run several update/upgrade and update/dist-upgrades since Sunday, and > > no change. I have looked through the 'net to find solutions, and I am > > not getting anywhere. > > > [...] > > Multiple people seem to have this issue, including me. The problem is > solved in gnome-shell from unstable, you can either wait until it > migrates to testing (in 1 or 2 days I guess, judging from the QA page > [1]) or you can install from unstable with "aptitude install -t unstable > gnome-shell" (no quotes). Make sure you have unstable in your > sources.list file. Just be careful not to upgrade your whole system to > unstable, but only that package. > > Regards, > Steven ---end quoted text--- FYI Updated my Testing/Jessie laptop this morning. It appears Gnome-Shell is now launching correctly with menus etc. -- Cheers, Stephen, Toronto My Google+ Profile | http://goo.gl/JbQsq -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130703234936.ga12...@thunkpad.gateway.2wire.net
Re: "Operation not permitted" error when using su
Sun, 30 Jun 2013 02:09:35 -0400 (EDT), Bob Proulx wrote: > > Stephen Powell wrote: >> ...logged in as root... >>su barney >>vi stuff >>Error: messages not turned on: /dev/pts/0: Operation not permitted > > The above is basically a normal result of the current environment. At > another level it is a bug in nvi. I suggest that you understand it > and then ignore it. Or jump into the nvi code and fix it. > > There are two issues. First is that root needs to protect itself > against attacks against its smart terminal. Therefore "messages"? > will be off by default for root. What does that mean? It means the > ability of processes to send text to the terminal. Processes may be a > "biff" mail notification program saying "you have mail". Or it may be > a user trying to "write(1)" (old Unix IM program) to your terminal. > Or it may be a local user (think student on a multiuser university > system) trying to crack into your terminal by sending smart terminal > escape sequences. (Most terminals have those disabled these days for > security surrounding this issue too. Because even for non-root smart > terminal attacks is still an issue.) > > Non-Root User: > $ ls -l /dev/pts/23 > crw--w 1 rwp tty 136, 23 Jun 29 19:02 /dev/pts/23 > > Root User: > $ ls -l /dev/pts/11 > crw--- 1 root tty 136, 0 Jun 29 19:00 /dev/pts/11 > > Or in the old days on other systems I recall it being world writable > by other too. But that may be an incorrect memory. > > For root the standard is that no one else can write(1) to the > terminal. (And probably "talk" and others too.) See the man page for > mesg(1) for a small amount of additional information. It was common > in the old days to see "mesg n" in root's dot profile file. > > man mesg > > So back to your problem... You are starting from a /dev/pts/X that is > owned by root and is not otherwise writable. That is good. Safe from > various attacks. That is what you want. > > But then the second issue comes into play. You are using su to switch > user to a non-root user. After you have switched to that user the pty > hasn't changed. That is intentional due to the security risk nature > of root. But it means that the non-root user processes can't make > changes to the tty device. > > Now is where the nvi bug/misfeature comes into play. There really > isn't any reason for nvi to need to touch the pty. In my opinion it > should do nothing to it by default. Emacs doesn't touch the pty. If > you try your test case with emacs there will be no error printed. Nor > with vim. This is only a problem in the nvi program. Why? Because > it is trying to do too much. > > What the nvi program is trying to do is to turn off messages to the > terminal while it is running. It is trying to prevent other local > users from using write(1) to you while you are editing. > > man nvi > >mesg [on] > Permit messages from other users. > > In order to prevent messages from other users it tries to run chmod on > your pty device. This can be seen with strace. > > $ strace -v -e chmod -o /tmp/nvi.strace.out nvi .bashrc > $ cat /tmp/nvi.strace.out > chmod("/dev/pts/0", 020620) = -1 EPERM (Operation not permitted) > chmod("/var/tmp/vi.recover/vi.ryTzPt", 0700) = 0 > chmod("/dev/pts/0", 020600) = -1 EPERM (Operation not% > permitted) > > And those chmod's are the source of the messages that you are seeing. > The only way to fix this is to patch the nvi source code to avoid the > chmod calls. > > Basically I ignore the errors. The file is edited successfully > anyway. It is just noise. Annoying. But since I know what is > happening and I only do that a very few times I just ignore it. > > This would be a reasonable issue to submit as a bug against nvi. > However there are worse problems with nvi. See Bug#497342 which has > been around for years which is much more annoying. Filing bugs is > easy but if no one is around to fix them then it doesn't do much > good. But this is a valid bug in my opinion. Though much less of a > problem than Bug#497342 which is very annoying. Especially since the > previous version 1.79 of nvi didn't have it. But that is a different > story. > > Hope this explanation helps! > Bob Thank you, Bob, for that detailed explanation. I'm not starting out as root though. I'm starting out as "fred" (Applications -> Utilities -> Terminal, in the latest version of Gnome under Jessie, while logged in to the
Re: How do I pad files in Linux?
On Mon, 01 Jul 2013 02:59:40 -0400 (EDT), Urs Thuermann wrote: > > dd if=/dev/zero bs=1 count=64 >> file Thanks, Urs. I haven't tried this, but it looks like this should work too. -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/548375498.2015945.1372936609846.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Re: Starting Google Chrome - resend
On Sat, Jul 06, 2013 at 07:53:15AM +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Saturday 06 July 2013 01:23:54 green wrote: > > chromium does not include flash, which is non-free and available via > > the flashplugin-nonfree package. > > Yes, but I couldn't get it to work with Chromium. > > Lisi > ---end quoted text--- What do you mean exactly? It just does, if you have it installed. You must go to Adobe's website and install it first of course. I have it working here fine on Debian's Chromium. -- Cheers, Stephen, Toronto My Google+ Profile | http://goo.gl/JbQsq -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130706212434.ga4...@thunkpad.gateway.2wire.net
Re: Starting Google Chrome - resend
On Sat, Jul 06, 2013 at 10:36:59PM +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Saturday 06 July 2013 22:24:34 Stephen Allen wrote: > > I have it working here fine on Debian's Chromium. > > Does it matter? > > Lisi > ---end quoted text--- Well, apparently it does, you posted asking. -- Cheers, Stephen, Toronto My Google+ Profile | http://goo.gl/JbQsq -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130706235915.ga4...@thunkpad.gateway.2wire.net
Re: Starting Google Chrome - resend
On Sun, Jul 07, 2013 at 01:13:07AM +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Sunday 07 July 2013 00:31:41 Charlie wrote: > > On Sat, 6 Jul 2013 22:36:59 +0100 "Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com" > > sent this: > > > > >On Saturday 06 July 2013 22:24:34 Stephen Allen wrote: > > >> I have it working here fine on Debian's Chromium. > > > > > >Does it matter? > > > > > >Lisi > > > > I think it must Lisi, because someone posted about a problem with Chrome > > and the discussion was taken from that to Chromium not being "nearly" > > the same and then about things not working in Chromium or Chrome and so > > it continued. > > > > So I imagine it does matter. > > Yes, Charlie. I agree. I had been involved in the discussion and agree that > that discussion matters. And most people were saying that they found > flash-plugin-nonfree adequate, with which I did not disagree. It was not > adequate for me, it was for them. Worth establishing. And it may well have > been my fault that I did not find it satisfactory. > > > What do you mean exactly? It just does, if you have it installed. You > must go to Adobe's website and install it first of course. > > I have it working here fine on Debian's Chromium. > > > But Stephen appeared to me to want confrontation for confrontation's sake, > and > it was that with which I was disagreeing. Of course I know about having to > get it and install it before it would work! It appeared to me as if he was > being deliberately insulting. So I repeat: Does it matter that Stephen, > clever Stephen, has it working to his satisfaction, so assumes that I am too > thick to know that something is not going to work unless I first download and > install it? I still say not! > > Lisi > ---end quoted text--- Sorry, no confrontation and wasn't trolling. Flash is on it's last legs, and I'm just left wondering what you expect. No worries. -- Cheers, Stephen, Toronto My Google+ Profile | http://goo.gl/JbQsq -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130707112722.ga5...@thunkpad.gateway.2wire.net
What's with the blue overlining in text consoles?
Something strange has started happening recently. For a long time I have used ISO-8859-1 as my character mapping in text consoles. dpkg-reconfigure console-setup and I have had no difficulty, except when using the ssh client to connect to a remote system which uses UTF-8. The box-drawing characters sent by the remote system did not look right under these conditions. To solve this problem, I switched my local system to use UTF-8. Now the box-drawing characters sent by the remote system look right when displayed by my local ssh client. However, I recently began noticing that all blue fields are now overlined. For example, the lynx web browser, when used in a text console (vt1-vt6), displays emphasized fields (the ... html tag) as blue overlined, when it used to display them simply as blue. I can live with that, I suppose. But what really bothers me is when I use the c3270 text-mode 3270 terminal emulator to logon to a mainframe. All blue fields are now overlined! This is driving me batty! I tried searching the world wide web using search words of blue overlining "UTF-8" but did not obtain any useful results. Does anyone know the cause of this? Does anyone know the cure? Is this a bug? If so, in what package is the bug? The problem does not seem to occur in a Gnome Terminal window, only on a text console. My system locale is en_US.UTF-8. I am running an up-to-date Jessie system on i386 architecture. -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1182082504.2151649.1373745348517.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
What's with the blue overlining in text consoles? [SOLVED]
On Sun, 14 Jul 2013 11:10:18 -0400 (EDT), commandl...@telenet.be wrote: > > On 13/07/13 21:55, Stephen Powell wrote: >> >> Something strange has started happening recently. For a long time I have >> used ISO-8859-1 as my character mapping in text consoles. >> >> dpkg-reconfigure console-setup >> >> and I have had no difficulty, except when using the ssh client to connect >> to a remote system which uses UTF-8. The box-drawing characters sent by >> the remote system did not look right under these conditions. To solve this >> problem, I switched my local system to use UTF-8. Now the box-drawing >> characters sent by the remote system look right when displayed by my >> local ssh client. However, I recently began noticing that all blue fields >> are now overlined. For example, the lynx web browser, when used in a >> text console (vt1-vt6), displays emphasized fields (the ... html >> tag) as blue overlined, when it used to display them simply as blue. >> >> I can live with that, I suppose. But what really bothers me is when I >> use the c3270 text-mode 3270 terminal emulator to logon to a mainframe. >> All blue fields are now overlined! This is driving me batty! I tried >> searching the world wide web using search words of >> >> blue overlining "UTF-8" >> >> but did not obtain any useful results. Does anyone know the cause of this? >> Does anyone know the cure? Is this a bug? If so, in what package is the >> bug? The problem does not seem to occur in a Gnome Terminal window, only >> on a text console. My system locale is en_US.UTF-8. I am running an >> up-to-date Jessie system on i386 architecture. > > Never heard of something similar to start with. Few guesses. > > * Terminal Emulation? > Check what happens if you switch from say xterm to linux to vt100 to ... > > * Character map error? > Might be for some reason the charmap is damaged? Did you edit them at > one point? Of would someone else have access to them? > > I'd suggest you make a backup of the current files, then proceed with > tests. If it still fails proceed to reinstall the packages. Then check > again... > > Do you mix the repo with Wheezy or unstable? This might at times cause > quite unique weirdness. Thank you for your reply, but please don't top post. I took the liberty of reformatting this post in the bottom posting / interleaving style. Well, after a lot of trial-and-error experimentation, I have found the culprit. It's the video BIOS. This video BIOS supports eleven hardware text modes, as documented below: hex mode id screen size character cell (vga=ask) (text columns x size (horiz pixels text rows)x vert pixels) F00 80x25 9x16 F01 80x50 9x8 F02 80x43 8x8 F03 80x28 9x14 F05 80x30 9x16 F06 80x34 9x14 F07 80x60 9x8 121 100x259x16 122 100x309x16 123 132x258x16 133 132x448x8 Of these eleven hardware text video modes, ten of them work fine. That is, blue fields appear without overlining. One of them is defective. Mode id 0x122, for 100 text columns by 30 text rows, displays blue fields with overlining. And that's the one I was using. Coincidentally, I switched from 80x34 to 100x30 shortly after I switched from ISO-8859-1 character mapping to UTF-8 character mapping. The overlining of blue fields had nothing to do with the switch to UTF-8. It just appeared to be related because the video mode switch occurred at about the same time. The video BIOS apparently does not set up the VGA registers correctly for video mode id 0x122. But it does for all the other text video modes. The solution (actually a circumvention) is to choose a different video mode. Problem solved. For those of you who are interested, here is the information I have been able to obtain about my video chipset and BIOS: The video chipset is listed by "lspci -nn" as follows: 05:03.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Rage XL PCI [1002:4752] (rev 27) The video chip is built-in to the motherboard; so it's video BIOS is built-in to the motherboard too. /var/log/Xorg.0.log shows the following information about the video BIOS: MACH64(0): Primary V_BIOS segment is: 0xc000 ... MACH64(0): VESA BIOS detected MACH64(0): VESA VBE Version 2.0 MACH64(0): VESA VBE Total Mem: 8128 kB MACH64(0): VESA VBE OEM: ATI MACH64 MACH64(0): VESA VBE OEM Software Rev: 1.0 MACH64
Re: Deleting chromium DNS cache entry doesn't seem to help.
On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 04:43:07PM +, Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Sun, 14 Jul 2013 14:57:14 +, Hendrik Boom wrote: > > > On Sat, 13 Jul 2013 16:53:01 -0400, staticsafe wrote: > > > >> On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 08:39:10PM +, Hendrik Boom wrote: > >>> For some reason, chromium seems to have got it stuck in its head that > >>> slashdot,org is at 69.165.131.134. At least, when I try to browse to > >>> slashdot.org using chromium, the displayed contents are identical to > >>> the contents at 16.165.131.134, which contains my personal web site. > >>> > >>> Firefox and chrome have no trouble reaching the real site. > >>> > >>> And I can read slashdot just fine on chromium if I enter the IP number > >>> 216.34.181.45 instead of the domain name. > >>> > >>> So I'm guessing that chromium has got that IP number stuck in some > >>> internal DNS cache. > > > > It now looks as if chromium's DNS cache may not be the problem. > > Chromium must be getting slashdot's IP address from somewhere else -- > > somewhere that firefox and ping don't access. > > > > > >>> How can I get it to forget it? > >>> > >>> -- hendrik > >> > >> Navigate to chrome://net-internals/#dns and press the "Clear host > >> cache" > >> button. > > > > After navigating there from chromium and pressing the button, > > slashdot.org doesn't appear in the listing of the cache entries on that > > page. > > > > But the misbehaviour still persists, even after a reboot. > > > > And firefox and chrome and ping still reach the right site. > > > > And when I go to chrome://net-internals/#dns on chrome itself, it tells > > mem it *does* have slashdot.org in its cache, with the right IP number. > > > > The cache chromium reveals with chrome://net-internals/#dns clearly has > > different contents from the one that chrome reveals -- which confirms > > that they have different caches. > > > > And even after browsing to slashdot.org in chromium and getting to the > > wrong place, going to chrome://net-internals/#dns with chromium still > > indicates that slashdot.org is not in the cache. > > > > So I'm suspecting that chrome://net-internals/#dns may not reeveal the > > real cache in chromium. > > > > So where *is* chromium getting this misinformation? > > > > Just for reference, here's my /etc/resolv.conf file: > > > > # Generated by NetworkManager domain topoi.pooq.com search > > topoi.pooq.com nameserver 8.8.8.8 nameserver 8.8.4.4 > > > > > > -- hendrik > > > > > >> Source - > >> http://superuser.com/a/203702 > > It's been most of a week now, and the problem persists. > Chromium still insists on going to the website normally known as > topoi.pooq.com when I request slashdot.org. > > Neither iceweasel nor chrome do this; both find the proper slashdot.org. > > Even ping finds the proper site. > > The problem presumably started a week ago when there was a temporary > networking problem, but only chromium seems to have fixated on the wrong > IP address. > > I have followed the procedure for clearing chromium's dns cache. When I > look at the cache contents, slashdot isn't in it. Does chromium have > another, secret cache? > > And it appears that I do not have nscd running, or even installed. > > I'm starting to think of shuttering chromium forever, assuming I can copy > its bookmarks elsewhere, say, to chrome. > > ---end quoted text--- Why would you need to copy your bookmarks? Presumably you used bookmark sync with Chromium, thus they will be available to Google-Chrome when you login into your Google account the 1st time in Chrome. Have you tried using a different DNS server? Try the Google DNS servers, Google will give you their address -- I don't have them handy at the moment. -- Cheers, Stephen, Toronto My Google+ Profile | http://goo.gl/JbQsq -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130719104526.ga4...@thunkpad.gateway.2wire.net
Re: root.root and netdev group for /dev/net/tun ?
On Sat, 27 Jul 2013 21:28:09 -0400 (EDT), Zenaan Harkness wrote: > > Is there a reason why the default ownership of /dev/net/tun is root.root? > I'm on sid. Don't know if it's anything I did, pretty sure not. > > As in, is there a reason that /dev/net/tun is not owned root.netdev? The attributes of /dev/net/tun are controlled by the file /lib/udev/rules.d/91-permissions.rules which is part of the udev package. Search for the character string "tun" in this file. You will find a line which looks like this: KERNEL=="tun", MODE="0666", OPTIONS+="static_node=net/tun" If you want to change the group to netdev, change the above to KERNEL=="tun", GROUP="netdev" MODE="0666", OPTIONS+="static_node=net/tun" You might also want to change the mode settings, so that only root and members of the netdev group can access the /dev/net/tun device. For example, KERNEL=="tun", GROUP="netdev" MODE="0660", OPTIONS+="static_node=net/tun" As for why it is the way it is, you might want to ask the package maintainer for the udev package that question. Of course, if the udev package is ever serviced, you may need to re-make your changes. The change does not take effect until the next reboot, of course. -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/548182802.2367641.1374977982693.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Re: root.root and netdev group for /dev/net/tun ?
On Sun, 28 Jul 2013 04:28:01 -0400 (EDT), Erwan David wrote: > > I think that what is found in /etc/udev/rules predates /lib/udev/rules, > thus just putting the modified line in a file in this directory should > be sufficient and shoud survive an udev update. I think you meant to say /etc/udev/rules.d and /lib/udev/rules.d, respectively. Yes, you can copy the file from /lib/udev/rules.d to /etc/udev/rules.d and then modify the copy in /etc/udev/rules.d. But if the file 91-permissions.rules changes in a subsequent update of the udev package, chances are that there were changes made to it that you *want* to take effect. It is still necessary to coordinate the changes made by package maintenance with the changes which you yourself have made. -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/744543456.2369828.1375018300585.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Re: root.root and netdev group for /dev/net/tun ?
On Sun, 28 Jul 2013 07:42:29 -0400 (EDT), Brian wrote: > > On Sat 27 Jul 2013 at 22:19:42 -0400, Stephen Powell wrote: >> >> ... >> The change does not take effect until the next reboot, of course. > > Wouldn't 'udevadm trigger' avoid a reboot? If you wish to avoid a reboot, the simplest solution is to manually alter (as root) the attributes of the /dev/net/tun pseudo-file. For example, # chgrp netdev /dev/net/tun # chmod 0660 /dev/net/tun But of course, the attributes will revert to what they were before upon the next reboot unless changes have been made to the 91-permissions.rules file. -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/384154941.2369874.1375018772241.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Re: root.root and netdev group for /dev/net/tun ?
On Sat, 27 Jul 2013 22:19:42 -0400 (EDT), Stephen Powell wrote: > > The attributes of /dev/net/tun are controlled by the file > >/lib/udev/rules.d/91-permissions.rules > > which is part of the udev package. Search for the character string "tun" > in this file. You will find a line which looks like this: > >KERNEL=="tun", MODE="0666", > OPTIONS+="static_node=net/tun" > > If you want to change the group to netdev, change the above to > >KERNEL=="tun", GROUP="netdev" MODE="0666", > OPTIONS+="static_node=net/tun" > > You might also want to change the mode settings, so that only root and members > of the netdev group can access the /dev/net/tun device. For example, > >KERNEL=="tun", GROUP="netdev" MODE="0660", > OPTIONS+="static_node=net/tun" > One other thing -- 91-permissions.rules is in the initial RAM file system; so if you change 91-permissions.rules, you will need to rebuild the initial RAM file system image file. update-initramfs -uk $(uname -r) will rebuild the initial RAM file system image file for the running kernel. If you have alternate kernels installed, you will need to rebuild the initial RAM file system image files for the alternate kernels too. -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1625680288.2446703.1375410066034.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Re: Partitions
On Fri, 09 Aug 2013 09:58:19 -0400 (EDT), Klaus Jantzen wrote: > > by "some magic" the partitions on a HDD receive a block-id > or UUID (for fstab). > > Does the ID of a partition change when the partition is moved > or when a new partition is created in the unallocated space > between two partitions? > > Thanks for any info. The UUID is assigned when the partition is formatted, not when it is allocated. Commands such as mke2fs or mkswap do the formatting. Moving or resizing a partition will not change its UUID, nor will allocating or deallocating another partition in any location. However, reformatting the partition will normally change its UUID unless the old UUID is explicitly specified as an option during formatting. For example, I've heard, though I have not personally verified it, that the Ubuntu installer has a habit of reformatting swap partitions during installation that were originally created by the Debian installer, thus messing up the Debian system's use of the swap partitions. -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1782814833.2585471.1376231789082.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Re: post-install questions
On Sun, 11 Aug 2013 12:49:36 -0400 (EDT), François Patte wrote: > > I have just finished my debian installation and I have a few questions: > > 1- For some reason the root account was not activated (I, maybe, missed > some step); so I activated it following the docs, but there are two > problems: > a) root can login through lightdm and access a graphical session! How to > disable this? I don't use lightdm, so I don't know. Someone else will have to answer this question. > > b) root umask is set to 077, which is problematic if you don't pay > attention to this setting. That's strange. That is not the Debian default. The Debian default for umask is 022. (See /etc/login.defs.) Perhaps pam_umask is overriding this? FTP servers have their own method for specifying the umask value. For example, vsftpd sets the local_umask value in /etc/vsftpd.conf for ftp client sessions. > > 2- Is there a gnome-network-manager like program under xfce? > > I try to have an installation with a minimum number of gnome packages. > I tried to install gnome-network-manager, but I got a full installation > of gnome desktop which made a "coup d'état" and took power over xfce. I > purged my system from gnome packages. I don't use xfce, so I don't know. > 3- Is it possible to install a package without its dependencies with > apt-get? I wanted to install auctex but apt-get wants to install a lot > of TeX packages which I don't want. > > I know, auctex is made for TeX, but I install texlive directly from CTAN > and don't want to have 2 TeX installations. Maybe, but in general, you shouldn't. There are three levels of "dependency". A package can DEPEND on another package, RECOMMEND another package, or SUGGEST another package. By default, aptitude, and I think apt-get as well, installs all packages that are dependencies or recommendations. You can suppress the installation of recommended packages with aptitude -R install or apt-get --no-install-recommends install This may help. But if the extra packages are truly dependencies of the package you want to install, it probably won't work without the dependent packages, even if you can get it installed. > > 4- I installed emacs24, and it returns a warning when it is launched > from an xfce terminal: > > Gtk-WARNING **: gtk window parse geometry() called on a window with no > visible children; the window should be set up before gtk window parse > geometry() is called. > > What does this mean? I don't use emacs and I know nothing about gtk. I hope others can help you with the questions I couldn't answer. -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1723425972.2588008.1376245293270.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Re: Building initrd for install Wheezy on pc without PAE
On Mon, 26 Aug 2013 05:32:36 -0400 (EDT), antispammbox-debian wrote: > > Kernel 486 is very old 1999?, for my laptop, :-), I would like to install > a kernel 686, as with Squeeze. Unfortunately, Debian does not offer a 686 non-PAE kernel in wheezy as a stock kernel image package, as it did for squeeze. If you want a kernel which is optimized for your processor you will need to build a custom kernel. I just finished doing that yesterday, as a matter of fact, for my laptop, which has a Pentium M processor. It does not support PAE. (I only have 1G of memory installed anyway, so PAE features would not benefit me.) cat /proc/cpuinfo will tell you all the details about your processor. If you don't see "pae" under "flags", then your processor does not support PAE. Building a custom kernel is not a trivial process. But if you want to tackle this task, I recommend http://users.wowway.com/~zlinuxman/Kernel.htm as your guide. Select your processor type during "make menuconfig". Use a -486 kernel config file as your starting point for customization. Good luck. -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/8377690.2832355.1377529627608.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Re: minicom and/or setserial
On Fri, 30 Aug 2013 10:08:36 -0400 (EDT), co...@esid.gecgr.co.cu wrote: > > I have problem with my serial port > > With dmseg | grep tty > > [0.004000] console [tty0] enabled > [1.769854] serial8250: ttyS0 at I/O 0x3f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A > [1.770070] serial8250: ttyS1 at I/O 0x2f8 (irq = 3) is a 16550A > [1.770721] 00:09: ttyS0 at I/O 0x3f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A > [1.771023] 00:0a: ttyS1 at I/O 0x2f8 (irq = 3) is a 16550A > [1.772842] :02:02.0: ttyS2 at I/O 0x9400 (irq = 9) is a 16550A > [1.773360] :02:02.1: ttyS3 at I/O 0x9800 (irq = 9) is a 16550A > > How do change > > [1.770721] 00:09: ttyS0 at I/O 0x3f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A > [1.771023] 00:0a: ttyS1 at I/O 0x2f8 (irq = 3) is a 16550A > > to > > [1.770721] 00:09: ttyS4 at I/O 0x3f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A > [1.771023] 00:0a: ttyS5 at I/O 0x2f8 (irq = 3) is a 16550A > > It posible resolve with setserial or minicom ??? > > Sorry my english is not good What's the problem? This is the standard way for Linux to name serial ports. 3F8 gets /dev/ttyS0 and 2F8 gets /dev/ttyS1. That is working as designed. I would be more concerned about /dev/ttyS2 and /dev/ttyS3 sharing IRQ 9. IRQ sharing usually doesn't work with serial ports. Also, IRQ 9 is normally used by the ACPI controller. -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1175097672.2922167.1377952145307.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Re: strange bash behavior
On Mon, 02 Sep 2013 05:27:55 -0400 (EDT), Matej Kosik wrote: > > This morning I have been puzzled by bash. > After typing the following command: > > for i in `seq 1 5`;do echo $i; test $i = 3 && break; done > > I see: > > 1 > 2 > 3 > > Which is OK. > > However, if the "break" command appears in a subshell: > > for i in `seq 1 5`;do echo $i; test $i = 3 && (break); done > > then the "break" command does not seem to have any effect > > 1 > 2 > 3 > 4 > 5 > > I am curious, is this something to be expected? Interesting. If "break" appears out of context, you should get an error message something like: bash: break: only meaningful in a 'for', 'while', or 'until' loop You didn't get an error message, so part of bash thinks it is in context. Yet it did not exit the loop. It seems to me that you should get one behavior or the other. Either you should get an error message or it should exit the loop. -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1155847423.2945873.1378139177503.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Re: strange bash behavior
On Mon, 02 Sep 2013 12:26:17 -0400 (EDT), Stephen Powell wrote: > > Interesting. If "break" appears out of context, you should get > an error message something like: > >bash: break: only meaningful in a 'for', 'while', or 'until' loop > > You didn't get an error message, so part of bash thinks it is in context. > Yet it did not exit the loop. It seems to me that you should get one > behavior or the other. Either you should get an error message or it > should exit the loop. I just tried this in both ash and dash. Neither one of them produce an error message when break is issued out of context. It simply executes as a no-op. (break is a shell built-in command, of course, not an external command.) So despite the fact that break is not producing an error message when one might expect it to, it is apparently exhibiting "expected behavior" in the sense that output is identical to what would occur with ash and dash. (Issue "busybox ash" to get ash. exit to exit, of course.) -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/84639284.2989400.1378334667562.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Re: rename ttyS*
On Fri, 06 Sep 2013 09:20:08 -0400 (EDT), Josh Stephens wrote: > > You could look at using a udev rule to do the mapping for you. (Sigh). Replying to Cosme's posts are a waste of time. He is from Cuba. And his government blocks in-coming e-mails from outside Cuba. And either the Debian mailing list archives are a blocked web site or he doesn't know how to access them. The only way he's going to get a reply, if at all, is if someone inside Cuba sends him a private e-mail. And that's not likely, because chances are no-one inside Cuba saw his post. Cosme posted essentially the same question last month, and got some on-list replies, one from me, but he evidently did not see them. It is very frustrating. It's probably frustrating for him, too. As for the "problem" itself, I don't see the problem. Linux is working as designed. That's what it is supposed to do. -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1173885961.3028466.1378507772181.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Re: DEVTMPFS, DEVTMPFS_MOUNT, custom no initrd kernel, udev 175-7.2 and 204-4
On Thu, 26 Sep 2013 07:25:33 -0400 (EDT), Regid Ichira wrote: > > In view of http://bugs.debian.org/722580 and > http://bugs.debian.org/722604: > > A machine with: > - a custom, non initrd, linux image > - udev 175-7.2 > - no DEVTMPFS in the kernel configuration > is able to boot. > > 1. Will the machine boot with >CONFIG_DEVTMPFS=y ># CONFIG_DEVTMPFS_MOUNT is not set >? Again, custom, non initrd, linux image. udev 175-7.2. > 2. What about >CONFIG_DEVTMPFS=y >CONFIG_DEVTMPFS_MOUNT=y >? custom, non initrd, linux image. udev 175-7.2. > 3. Will it boot when /etc/init.d/udev from udev 175-7.2 is edtited >by hand? If so, what modifications, by hand, are required to >/etc/init.d/udev? Are there more files to edit? Again, custom, >non initrd, linux image. > 4. When udev 204-4 is installed, what should be the settings of >CONFIG_DEVTMPFS and CONFIG_DEVTMPFS_MOUNT for a custom, non >initrd, linux image? > > Isn't there an upgrade path problem for people with a custom, non > initrd, linux image that have DEVTMPFS unset? I mean, newer udev > can't be installed without CONFIG_DEVTMPFS=y. So one has to boot > into a CONFIG_DEVTMPFS=y kernel before upgrading udev. But will a > custom, non initrd, linux image with CONFIG_DEVTMPFS=y boot with udev > 175-7.2? I don't know the answer to any of your specific questions, but I will say in general that, in my humble opinion, I would avoid creating kernels with no initial RAM file system. Back in the day when the only purpose for an initial RAM file system was to load kernel modules that were needed before the permanent root file system could be mounted, an alternative to doing this was to build the needed support directly into the kernel, thus eliminating the need to load these kernel modules and thus eliminating the need for an initial RAM file system. But modern Linux systems need the initial RAM file system for other things now besides loading kernel modules, such as launching early user space processes such as udev. Some work by udev may need to be done before the permanent root file system can be mounted, such as creating symbolic links in the /dev/disk directory and its subdirectories. In general, it is not safe to use root file system specifications such as /dev/sda1 anymore, since the device name mapping can change from boot to boot. Specifying the root file system by means of a UUID or LABEL gets around this problem, but that requires that udev and friends have already done their disk identification work by then. And without an initial RAM file system, udev cannot be launched until after the permanent root file system has been mounted. It's a "catch 22" situation. My advice, for what it's worth, is to stop swimming upstream and use an initial RAM file system. -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/633734621.3380613.1380198178265.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Re: HDD repair help please
On Thu, 26 Sep 2013 12:08:54 -0400 (EDT), Gábor Hársfalvi wrote: > > Hi, > > How could I repair my HDD with disk manager or similar? > > Because, it has got a lots of bad sector. > > Before I could do that with fsck in recovery mode after umount /home. But > now it can't work - it says device in use. fsck cannot repair a file system which is mounted read/write. It can only repair a file system which is not mounted or which is mounted read/only. However, if the sectors are bad because the hard disk is going bad, fsck cannot fix that. You need to determine why the sectors went bad in the first place. If your hard disk is going bad, it's time to replace the hard disk. -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/740343458.3392139.1380233277438.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Re: should an end user stick to a kernel with an initrd?
On Thu, 26 Sep 2013 17:33:40 -0400 (EDT), Lisi Reisz wrote: > > You know more than Stephen Powell, but you do not know about > threading?! Regid, What Lisi is saying is that changing the subject line of a post does not start a new thread. You have to remove the "In-reply-to:" tag from your e-mail header before you send it. If your e-mail client does not allow you to edit the header, then you need to do a copy and paste of the old message into a brand new e-mail with a new subject line to start a new thread. If you look on the Debian mailing list archives, you will see that your second e-mail is still part of the original thread. I learned this the same way I learned most things: by making mistakes and learning from them. -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/292348606.3392457.1380234628455.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Re: should an end user stick to a kernel with an initrd?
On Thu, 26 Sep 2013 11:57:34 -0400 (EDT), Regid Ichira wrote: > > I deliberately changed the subject of this message because I hope > people will also pay attention to my previous message in the thread. > At http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2013/09/msg01150.html, which, > I hope, this message will be a follow-up to, Stephen Powell wrote > that, in general, initrd are desirable. He gave a few example where, > he believes, one can not get without it. I am no expert. I do > believe that, other then corner cases, most, if not all, the examples > are wrong. They can be done without an initrd. I think the basic > reason is that one can have udev rules that will map specific devices > to specific names. > Now, considering that an initrd requires a lot more software, I > think that an initrd should be avoided unless absolutely necessary. You don't seem to understand. First of all, even if you have written udev rules to map specific devices to specific names, this mapping cannot take place until udev starts. udev is not kernel code. It is not a kernel module, nor can it be built in to the kernel. It is a user-space process. That means that it must be read from a file system and executed as a command. And that means that a file system must be mounted. If you don't use an initial RAM file system, there is no file system from which to read udev until the permanent root file system is mounted (usually read-only initially). And if the permanent root file system is already mounted, it is too late to assign a name to it. You must know the name before udev gets launched. Second, this is contrary to the direction and thinking of the kernel people these days. Traditional device names, such as /dev/sda, /dev/sdb, (and therefore the partitions on those devices, such as /dev/sda1, /dev/sdb1, etc.) are not assigned in a predictable manner anymore. This device name assignment can change from one boot to the next. In order to specify which partition is to be mounted as the permanent root file system in a manner which is independent of the now-unpredictable device name assignment, you must rely on something like the uuid or label of the partition, which is presumed to be unique. For example, if your boot loader is LILO, something like root="UUID=3860da3c-b206-44d9-920c-5ed4beac34e9" can be specified in /etc/lilo.conf. This results in the following being added to the kernel command line by the LILO boot loader: root=UUID=3860da3c-b206-44d9-920c-5ed4beac34e9 But in order for the kernel to figure out which partition on which disk this is, it looks for a symbolic link called /dev/disk/by-uuid/3860da3c-b206-44d9-920c-5ed4beac34e9 If it finds it, it can determine what partition to mount as the permanent root file system. But if it can't find it, it can't mount the permanent root file system. How did that symbolic link get created? udev created it. udev, launched from the initial RAM file system, has already created this symbolic link. It might point to /dev/sda1 on this boot. But on the next boot, it might point to /dev/sdb1. In either case, it will be the correct partition to mount as the permanent root file system. But if you don't use an initial RAM file system, udev has not been launched yet, and therefore, the symbolic link does not exist yet, and therefore, the kernel can't find the permanent root file system if you refer to it by means of a uuid. The same principle applies for referring to a partition by means of a disk label. Although it is still possible to create a kernel that does not use an initial RAM file system, the design of modern Linux systems pretty much assumes that one is used. I predict that as time goes on you will continue to encounter more and more problems as the result of not using one. -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1287490021.3392877.1380236855592.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Re: Building computer
On Thu, 26 Sep 2013 22:57:43 -0400 (EDT), Beco wrote: > > Questions for people who compile kernel and their machines: > > How long a "considered fast" kernel compilation would last? I'd like to > have a clue. And in what kind of computer (processor / RAM / anything else > relevant)? > > Thanks! > Beco. I haven't been following this thread, but I happened to notice this particular post. That depends on many factors, such as the speed of your processor, the speed of your hard disk drive, how you have your kernel configured, the architecture you use and how many drivers are available for it, etc. For my 32-bit Xeon processor (2.40 GHz) compiling for the i386 architecture, using a kernel configuration that is not too much different from a stock Debian kernel, it takes hours. The machine has 4G of RAM. -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1714746847.3410869.1380322377088.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Re: should an end user stick to a kernel with an initrd?
On Thu, 26 Sep 2013 23:00:14 -0400 (EDT), Tom H wrote: > > "A lot more software"?! Installing initramfs-tools will just pull in > klibc-utils, libklibc, and busybox! Also, one can limit the size of the initial RAM file system itself by using modules=dep in /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/driver-policy. This attempts to include only items required for booting in the initial RAM file system. -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/558304455.3410915.1380322665423.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Re: should an end user stick to a kernel with an initrd?
On Fri, 27 Sep 2013 14:41:54 -0400 (EDT), Tom H wrote: > > I couldn't care less how many disks you have. > > Defaulting to the use of UUIDs isn't some wacky whim but a > well-reasoned technical decision, unless you want to claim to know > more than the developers putting together distributions. > > This isn't a question of "/dev/sdX works for me, yay!" The issue is > that device names aren't NECESSARILY stable (some would say that > they've never been so) so, distributions are using UUIDs in order to > avoid having any Linux user anywhere be unable to boot because sda is > now sdc, sdb is now sda, and sdc is now sdb... +1 Well said. By the way, even if you only have one hard disk, you can still get into trouble. For example, I have a one-hard-disk system where my hard disk normally shows up as /dev/sda and my CD-ROM drive normally shows up as /dev/sr0. But if I boot from the CD-ROM drive using a Debian installer CD in rescue mode, my CD-ROM drive shows up as /dev/sda and my hard disk shows up as /dev/sdb! Specifying the device name for the permanent root file system is not the only problem. Suspend/resume is another example. The suspend partition is identified by the Debian installer in /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/resume by means of a UUID. The Debian init scripts try to process a resume image *before* they attempt to mount the permanent root file system. (By the way, this tells you that /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/resume is one of the files that gets built in to the initial RAM file system; so if you change it you must rebuild your initial RAM file system.) If you don't use an initial RAM file system, you may have trouble with getting suspend/resume to work, or to work properly. Early loading of CPU microcode upgrades is another example. The point is that the architects of the Debian init scripts pretty much assume that an initial RAM file system is used, and they take advantage of that assumption when they write their init scripts. Although it is still possible to create a kernel that does not use an initial RAM file system, that doesn't mean that it is a good idea. As time goes on, one is likely to encounter more and more problems as the result of swimming upstream against the way the system is designed to work these days. On s390x hardware, I have a Debian Linux system that has four disks. These disks are assigned the device names /dev/dasda, /dev/dasdb, /dev/dasdc, and /dev/dasdd by the kernel. But the correspondence between these Linux device names and the hardware device numbers varies widely from boot to boot. I can assure you of that from personal experience. -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/133244.3411509.1380325292433.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Re: should an end user stick to a kernel with an initrd?
On Fri, 27 Sep 2013 23:17:40 -0400 (EDT), Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Fri, 2013-09-27 at 19:41 -0400, Stephen Powell wrote: >> But the correspondence between these Linux device names and the >> hardware device numbers varies widely from boot to boot. I can assure >> you of that from personal experience. > > So my question, if somebody experienced it already is answered. The s390x hardware platform is more susceptible to device name variations because of the extra "online/offline" layer. The kernel does not assign a major or minor device number to a DASD, nor does it assign it a user-space device name (/dev/dasda, /dev/dasdb, etc.) until the device is brought "online". Under Debian, a DASD device is brought online by the sysconfig-hardware package, which in turn is invoked by udev. IDE and SCSI drives on the i386 or amd64 hardware platform do not have this extra layer of processing. But device name changes can happen on i386 and amd64 too. It's just less likely. -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1370315749.3415771.1380373177940.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Re: just released Grml 2013.09
On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 10:38:49PM +0200, sp113438 wrote: > Hi All, > > To have a new boot-entry with grml: > > put grml64-full_2013.09.iso (or another one, see below) in > the /boot/grml directory > > sudo apt-get install grml-rescueboot > > sudo update-grub > > get the iso at: http://grml.org/download/ > Thanks! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130930025730.ga31...@debian.gateway.3wire.net
Re: google-chrome-unstable apparently removes its executable
On Sun, Oct 06, 2013 at 11:42:15AM -0400, Patrick Wiseman wrote: > Updating two testing systems this morning, I found that my Chrome > suddenly became unable to find any web pages. Attempting to relaunch, > it wasn't there! > > 'which google-chrome' returned nothing. I tried 'sudo apt-get install > google-chrome-unstable', but it was already installed. Finally, on > both systems, I did 'sudo apt-get install google-chrome-stable' and > now have a working Chrome again. > > I guess that's what I get for being willing to live with unstable! > > Patrick > > You could have reinstalled it: 'aptitude reinstall google-chrome-unstable'. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131009004326.GA8799@jessie.gatewire
Re: apt-get vs. aptitude
On Tue, Oct 08, 2013 at 01:33:41PM +0200, Florian Lindner wrote: > Hello, > > Since I'm about to setup a new server using current stable wheezy, I want to > recheck some of debian knowledge. > > What is the prefered tool for installing on the CLI? apt-get or aptitude? > Last > time I read about it, it was aptitude, due to better dependency checking. > What > is the current state? apt-get or aptitude? Does it matter? What about using > both? > > Thanks! > > Florian > > > My understanding is that apt-get is better at resolving dependencies when a large amount of packages are to be installed, 'dist-upgrade'. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131009004635.GB8799@jessie.gatewire
Re: apt-get vs. aptitude
On Tue, Oct 08, 2013 at 11:35:57AM -0400, david...@ling.ohio-state.edu wrote: > On Tue, 8 Oct 2013, Florian Lindner wrote: > >Since I'm about to setup a new server using current stable wheezy, I want to > >recheck some of debian knowledge. > > > >What is the prefered tool for installing on the CLI? apt-get or aptitude? > >Last > >time I read about it, it was aptitude, due to better dependency checking. > >What > >is the current state? apt-get or aptitude? Does it matter? What about using > >both? > > you might find this worth a look: > > > http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch02.en.html#_basic_package_management_operations > > Excellent! Thanks for the resource, Wes. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131009005150.GC8799@jessie.gatewire
Re: Set widescreen resolution in console
On Wed, 09 Oct 2013 21:16:11 -0400 (EDT), Antonio Paiva wrote: > > I have recently acquired an old Sony Vaio PCG-C1VN (aka, a "PictureBook") > and installed Debian wheezy. The problem is that I can only get the > *console* to run at 640x480 resolution. > > The C1VN has a (very wide) native resolution of 1024x480, but using only > 640x480 is a serious waste of screen real estate. It works fine in X but, > the for uses I have in mind (playing some music and reading/writing text), > all I need works on the console. Moreover, using X slows down the machine > enough to have a noticeable drag (not unbearable, not very annoying). (Bear > in mind all this has is a Transmeta Crusoe @600MHz ~= Pentium II @400Mhz, > and 112MB of RAM.) I'm using kernel modesetting (KMS) with the radeon > kernel module (graphics card is an ATI Rage Mobility / Mach64). I tried > setting the mode in GRUB via the GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX option, creating my > own framebuffer mode, but either made no difference or I ended up with an > even smaller resolution?! > > If you have any ideas or pointers to potential solutions, I would greatly > appreciate the help. Thank you. > > Best regards, > Antonio What driver is used in X? The MACH64 driver in X is a non-KMS-based driver. (/var/log/Xorg.0.log should tell you what driver is being used.) There will be a whole bunch of lines which start with that driver name. For example: MACH64(0): VESA BIOS DETECTED If you are using a non-KMS-based X driver, then your console should be running in a hardware text mode, the default for which is 80 columns by 25 rows. (That's 640 pixels by 400 pixels with a character cell of 16 pixels high by 8 pixels wide.) This can be changed by the VGA option. See my LILO web page for more information about the VGA option http://users.wowway.com/~zlinuxman/lilo.htm When using the VGA option with grub2, you have to use the linux16 and initrd16 commands instead of linux and initrd, as described in this web page: https://wiki.debian.org/GrubTransition At least, that's what I've been told. I myself don't use grub2, I use lilo. -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/930339389.3648261.1381582664487.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
RE: Set widescreen resolution in console
On Sat, 12 Oct 2013 16:14:14 -0400, Antonio Paiva wrote: > On Fri, 11 Oct 2013 00:25:06 +0400, Dmitrii Kashin wrote: >> >> First of all, have you tried to boot your kernel with vga=ask option? > > Thank you Dmitrii. > > I did try "vga=ask" but that option is no longer supported by the > debian kernel. On the grub console, I also tried vbeinfo and couldn't > find the 1024x480 mode. And vbetest only worked with 640x480. Strictly speaking, "vga" is not a kernel option. That is, it cannot be passed on the kernel command line. It has to be specified by the boot loader by zapping the kernel boot sector before transferring control to the kernel. There has to be special support in the boot loader for the vga option. As I said in a previous post, "vga" does not work with the "linux" and "initrd" statements in grub2. You have to use "linux16" and "initrd16" instead. See my previous post for more information. I use the lilo boot loader, and the vga option works just fine with it, even on current jessie kernels. -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/564578903.3659969.1381689768389.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Ubuntuone Package
Good morning; Any chance that this package will be included in the Debian archive? Tried to install it but ran into dependency hell and in the end realized that I wasn't going to be able to install it. I had found an e-mail from one of the Ubuntu packagers from some time back indicating that he was going to try to get this included in Debian, due to the problems of installing the Ubuntu package on a Debian installation. Comments? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201812.ga3...@thinkpad.gateway.2wire.net
Re: xfce weather plugin broken?
On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 06:06:55PM -0500, Pete Orrall wrote: > On Sun, 2011-11-13 at 16:31 +, Brian wrote: > > On Sun 13 Nov 2011 at 10:18:52 -0500, Pete Orrall wrote: > > > > > What's going on and how do I fix this? > > > > https://mail.xfce.org/mailman/listinfo/xfce > > > > November 2011. > > Thanks Brian and Joey for the help. I dug a little deeper with the > links provided and found this: > > http://mail.xfce.org/pipermail/goodies-dev/2011-October/003139.html > > Apparently this affects more than just Xfce users The Gnome weather applet still works, wonder why the XFce plugin doesn't use the same service? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/2018172915.ga2...@thinkpad.gateway.2wire.net
Re: Is for this community XFCE the most common DE to replace GNOME 3?
On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 08:39:06PM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > Hi :) > > do most of you replace GNOME 3 by XFCE? > > I'm undecided what to do, but I guess it would be wise to install > parallel to GNOME 3 the most used alternative installed by users who are > subscribed to this list. > > Excepted of KDE users, XFCE seems to be the most used replacement for > GNOME 3. Am I mistaken? > > Cheers! > > Ralf > ---end quoted text--- You might try using Openbox. I run it without a desktop environment and it just works. Even better without the overhead of LXDE. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/2019004408.ga4...@thinkpad.gateway.2wire.net
Re: Ubuntuone Package
On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 02:54:18PM +, Camaleón wrote: > On Fri, 18 Nov 2011 07:33:33 -0500, Stephen Allen wrote: > > > I had found an e-mail from one of the Ubuntu packagers from some time > > back indicating that he was going to try to get this included in Debian, > > due to the problems of installing the Ubuntu package on a Debian > > installation. > > > > Comments? > > If you're hurry and cannot wait for the package to be available in Debian > here there are some links that can help you to deal with the Ubuntu's > package installation: I am. ;) > Is running Ubuntu One on Debian 'possible'? > http://askubuntu.com/questions/10271/is-running-ubuntu-one-on-debian-possible > > Howto: Ubuntu One in Debian Wheezy > http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=63310 Thanks, the 1st I had read prior but the second one looks golden and hadn't found it with my Google foo. > Greetings, Cheers, Stephen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/2019005104.gb4...@thinkpad.gateway.2wire.net
Re: Is for this community XFCE the most common DE to replace GNOME 3?
On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 11:51:08AM +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote: > On Vi, 18 nov 11, 19:44:09, Stephen Allen wrote: > > > > You might try using Openbox. I run it without a desktop environment and it > > just > > works. Even better without the overhead of LXDE. > > $ ps aux | grep -i lx > amp 3151 0.0 0.0 4012 1392 tty1 SNov15 0:00 > /usr/bin/lxsession -s LXDE -e LXDE > amp 3164 0.2 0.5 25700 11272 tty1 SNov15 15:18 openbox > --config-file /home/amp/.config/openbox/lxde-rc.xml > amp 3166 1.5 3.3 167032 67984 tty1 SNov15 80:14 lxpanel > --profile LXDE > amp 3174 0.0 0.4 102764 9040 tty1 SNov15 0:00 pcmanfm > --desktop --profile LXDE > [manually deleted the 'grep lx' entry'] > $ uptime > 11:38:36 up 3 days, 15:50, 7 users, load average: 0.07, 0.06, 0.08 > > It seems lxpanel brings some "overhead" (at least compared to openbox), > but it's probably due to the several applets (including a systray with > other apps). I doubt however that it is significant for any other usage > of LXDE than terminal multiplexer. > > Kind regards, > Andrei ---end quoted text--- Might be more relevant if you removed LXDE entirely and installed openbox by itself. Then compare the results of LXDE Desktop Environment vs Openbox Window Manager. ;) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/2019114125.ga2...@thinkpad.gateway.2wire.net
Re: xfce weather plugin broken?
On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 05:10:18PM -0800, John Jason Jordan wrote: > On Fri, 18 Nov 2011 18:59:59 -0500 > Pete Orrall dijo: > > >> > Apparently this affects more than just Xfce users > ---end quoted text--- Heads up for testing/Sid users. The plugin has been up dated to a .3 release and now works. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/2019171640.ga4...@thinkpad.gateway.2wire.net
Re: "purge" a package without removing config or remaining files
On Wed, 23 Nov 2011 17:31:55 -0500 (EST), Marc Auslander wrote: > > Thanks. I was not clear enough. It was automatically removed when > the new package was installed. It now lurks in the configured state > waiting for me to accidently purge it and destroy my new > installation. I'd like to get rid that risk. You might try renaming the config files temporarily, then purging the old package, then renaming the config files back to their old names. Something like this: mv x.conf y.conf aptitude purge old-package-name mv y.conf x.conf It will attempt to erase the config files during the purge, but it will not find them, since they have been renamed. If the missing config files cause an error in the package purge (they shouldn't), you can create dummy config files that it can happily erase. Then, after the package is successfully purged, rename the files back to the original names and you should be good to go. -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/285870848.350697.1322101055146.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Re: Upgrading from Lenny to Squeeze
On Fri, 25 Nov 2011 01:58:13 -0500 (EST), Marc Shapiro wrote: > > I have yet to upgrade to Squeeze and I really think that it is about > time. > ... > Is there any reason that I should not just do > 'apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade' and expect things to 'just work' > as they have in the past? I recommend that you follow the detailed instructions in the release notes. http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/releasenotes Many people worked many hours to come up with these migration instructions to minimize problems; and when experience talks, it pays to listen. Not all steps may apply to you. (For example, you may not have any packages on hold.) But you should do all the steps that do apply to you and in the recommended order. -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1265981264.363965.1322219805473.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Re: Upgrading from Lenny to Squeeze
On Fri, 25 Nov 2011 22:42:06 -0500 (EST), Marc Shapiro wrote: > > I have already read the release notes. > ... > My question was, considering what I have done, is it likely that things > will 'just work' or is it more likely that I will have issues? I would not anticipate any major problems, given what you've done up to this point, provided you follow the directions in the release notes. My only suggestion would be to replace the Lenny backports kernels with standard Squeeze kernels. -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/765723273.375601.1322312310698.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com