Re: Q: pkg version in DSA-3436-1

[Thilo Six]

Hello Pascal,

Pascal Hambourg schrieb/wrote:

> Quote from the announce :
> =
> For the stable distribution (jessie), the testing distribution (stretch)
> and the unstable distribution (sid), this issue *was already addressed*
> in version 1.0.1f-1.
> =
> 
> The advisory and update are only for Wheezy.

Thanks. I missed that part when reading it.


kind regards,

 Thilo

Q: pkg version in DSA-3436-1

[Thilo Six]

Hello


today DSA-3436-1 for openssl was released. According to the DSA the new version
for jessie is 1.0.1f-1, but current openssl version in jessie is
1.0.1k-3+deb8u2.

Now according to:
% command dpkg --compare-versions 1.0.1k-3+deb8u2 lt 1.0.1f-1

the new version would sort below what is currently already in the archive.
I do wonder about this, or am i missing something? Should this be reported?


Thanks.


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 Thilo

Re: How to force an application to use only ipv4?

[Thilo Six]

Hello abdelkader


Excerpt from abdelkader belahcene:

--  --
> I want to test mint15 with just ipv4, I want to force ipv4  on the mdm
> manager ( gnome-like)  where to do it ??
--  --

I do not know mint but with debian wheezy it is easy to turn off/on IPv6 on the 
fly:

/etc/sysctl.d/ipv6.conf 

# Disable IPv6
net.ipv6.conf.all.disable_ipv6=1
---/

then you need to activate those settings with:
# sysctl -p /etc/sysctl.d/*.conf

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Re: isc-dhcp-client 4.2.2.dfsg.1-5+deb70u5?

[Thilo Six]

Hello


--  --
>> $ apt-cache policy isc-dhcp-client
>> isc-dhcp-client:
>>   Installed: 4.2.2.dfsg.1-5+deb70u5
>>   Candidate: 4.2.2.dfsg.1-5+deb70u5
>>   Version table:
>>  *** 4.2.2.dfsg.1-5+deb70u5 0
>> 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
>>  4.2.2.dfsg.1-5+deb70u3 0
>> 500 http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ wheezy/main amd64 Packages
>>
>> Basically this means, no it isn't in {wheezy,testing}-proposed-updates.
>> It has been there but now it not anymore.
> 
> You are right, i took look into
> http://ftp.sk.debian.org/debian/pool/main/i/isc-dhcp/ (my mirror) and
> here is onnly 70u3 package. Perhaps it was removed for some reason, but
> i don't know more...

just in case some else is interested, too:
http://bugs.debian.org/704566


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Re: isc-dhcp-client 4.2.2.dfsg.1-5+deb70u5?

[Thilo Six]

Hello Slavko,


Excerpt from Slavko:


--  --
>> $ apt-cache policy isc-dhcp-client
>> isc-dhcp-client:
>>   Installed: 4.2.2.dfsg.1-5+deb70u5
>>   Candidate: 4.2.2.dfsg.1-5+deb70u5
>>   Version table:
>>  *** 4.2.2.dfsg.1-5+deb70u5 0
>> 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
>>  4.2.2.dfsg.1-5+deb70u3 0
>> 500 http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ wheezy/main amd64 Packages
>>
>> Basically this means, no it isn't in {wheezy,testing}-proposed-updates.
>> It has been there but now it not anymore.
> 
> You are right, i took look into
> http://ftp.sk.debian.org/debian/pool/main/i/isc-dhcp/ (my mirror) and
> here is onnly 70u3 package. Perhaps it was removed for some reason, but
> i don't know more...

Thanks non the less for helping! Given at least u4 changelog mentions a cve
number i wonder how that could have happened.

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Re: isc-dhcp-client 4.2.2.dfsg.1-5+deb70u5?

[Thilo Six]

Hello Slavko,


Excerpt from Slavko:

> Dňa 12.05.2013 18:27 Thilo Six  wrote / napísal(a):
>> Hello
>>
>>
>> does somebody know what happened to "isc-dhcp-client 4.2.2.dfsg.1-5+deb70u5"?
>> It seems is has been droped from the archive. Currently in wheezy is only
>> "4.2.2.dfsg.1-5+deb70u3" available.
> 
> By the package's QA page
> (http://packages.qa.debian.org/i/isc-dhcp.html), the
> 4.2.2.dfsg.1-5+deb70u5 package is in testing-proposed-updates repo.

$ apt-cache policy isc-dhcp-client
isc-dhcp-client:
  Installed: 4.2.2.dfsg.1-5+deb70u5
  Candidate: 4.2.2.dfsg.1-5+deb70u5
  Version table:
 *** 4.2.2.dfsg.1-5+deb70u5 0
100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
 4.2.2.dfsg.1-5+deb70u3 0
500 http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ wheezy/main amd64 Packages

Basically this means, no it isn't in {wheezy,testing}-proposed-updates.
It has been there but now it not anymore.

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isc-dhcp-client 4.2.2.dfsg.1-5+deb70u5?

[Thilo Six]

Hello


does somebody know what happened to "isc-dhcp-client 4.2.2.dfsg.1-5+deb70u5"?
It seems is has been droped from the archive. Currently in wheezy is only
"4.2.2.dfsg.1-5+deb70u3" available.

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Re: md5sum for debian-7.0.0-amd64-netinst.iso

[Thilo Six]

Hello Hugo,


Excerpt from Hugo Vanwoerkom:

> Hi,
> 
> Where does one find the md5sum for debian-7.0.0-amd64-netinst.iso?
> 
> Hugo

http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.0.0/amd64/iso-cd/MD5SUMS
http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.0.0/amd64/iso-cd/MD5SUMS.sign

The file MD5SUMS contains quit a lot of md5sums, you need scroll down/grep it.
In this directory you will also find files with more reliable hashes in case you
are interested.

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Re: Debian 7 Wheezy Stable Relelased

[Thilo Six]

Excerpt from Tony van der Hoff:

> On 05/05/13 19:08, Gary Dale wrote:
>> If your apt-sources use Wheezy and not Testing, there is no need to do
>> anything different. If they use Testing, I'd advise switching to Stable
>> or Wheezy for a few months until the new Testing becomes stable enough
>> to use reliably.
>>
>> If your current system uses Stable, you might want to switch that to
>> Squeeze for a while. I wouldn't advise upgrading servers, etc. to Wheezy
>> until you've had the chance to test the upgrade on things that aren't
>> critical.
> 
> An HTML top-poster handing out advice? Arrogant bastard!

Your Mail User Agent suggests you are using a mail programm that is not even
available in Debian.
A non-Debian user talks in this speech on this list. Now how is this?

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Re: defoma and registering ttf fonts system wide

[Thilo Six]

Hello


Excerpt from staticsafe:


--  --
>>> I used to use defoma to register ttf fonts. Now that it's gone,
>>> how to register ttf fonts system wide now?
>>
>> Drop the fonts in one of the paths defined in
>> /etc/fonts/fonts.conf. Currently this is:
>>
>> /usr/share/fonts /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts
>> /usr/local/share/fonts ~/.fonts
>>
>>
>> For locally installed, system wide fonts, /usr/local/share/fonts
>> looks like the most suitable place.
>>
> Then `fc-cache -fv` to regenerate the font information cache files.

All of the said is right. I will make just a little adddition. IMO it is better
to use 'fc-cache -rv' instead. As '-r' will also remove no longer available
fonts from the cache which '-f' does not.

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Re: Alsa sounds too low

[Thilo Six]

Hello Chris,


Excerpt from Chris Bannister:


--  --
> /usr/share/doc/volumeicon-alsa/
> 
> which should help.
> 
> The "dpkg -L volumeicon-alsa" command should also list any man pages.
> 
> Sometimes there is a separate "doc" package.
> 
> Sometimes you have to hunt out how to use the package from the Internet,
> I kid you not!!

May i suggest debmany?

$ apt-cache policy volumeicon-alsa
volumeicon-alsa:
  Installed: (none)
  Candidate: 0.4.6-1

$ debmany volumeicon-alsa

$ apt-file search debmany
debian-goodies: /usr/bin/debmany

http://manpages.debian.net/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=debmany&apropos=0&sektion=0&manpath=Debian+6.0+squeeze&format=html&locale=en

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Re: .wav to text?

[Thilo Six]

Hello Zenaan


Excerpt from Zenaan Harkness:

--  --
> c) When I went to packages.debian.org, at the top was a search bar, so
> I naturally enough searched for pocketsphinx, and got no results.

This might also correspondent with:
https://lists.debian.org/debian-infrastructure-announce/2013/04/msg0.html

> Thus, my question of where are these packages :)

--  --

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Re: rootfs

[Thilo Six]

Hello Roger,


Excerpt from Roger Leigh:

--  --
> I hope this makes clear why I currently hold the position that /usr
> (*as a separately mountable filesystem*) is not a useful feature.
> I long held the opposite opinion very strongly, until I spent a good
> bit of time really considering the validity of all the assumptions
> behind why we consider it useful, and came to the conclusion that it
> was, for the most part, not useful in the slightest on a modern
> package managed system.

I can very well recall the heated debates on debian-devel several years ago
about this topic. When you said in the previous mail that you are working on
moving /usr to the rootfs i thought oh oh an other valueable feature goes down
the drain. But your argumentation has actually convinced me.


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Re: rc-update() 1.2

[Thilo Six]

Hello

a bug has been identified which does make it necessary to update the above.


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_myservice()
{
local cur prev words cword
_init_completion || return

if [[ $cword -ge 1 ]]; then
_services
[[ -e /etc/mandrake-release ]] && _xinetd_services
fi
}

_rc-update()
{
local cur prev words cword
_init_completion || return

if [[ $cword -eq 1 && $prev == ?(*/)rc-update ]]; then
COMPREPLY=( $( compgen -W 'enable disable remove add del show' -- 
"$cur" ) )
else
_services
fi
}
builtin complete -F _rc-update  rc-update
builtin complete -F _myservice  rc-add rc-del rc-show


rc-update()
{
case "${1}" in
enable|add)
# This action here shall enable a initsrcipt.
# This is done by (re)enforcing the defaults described as LSB headers.
#
for i in "${@:2}";
do
find /etc/rc[S0-6].d/ -iname "*${i}" -type l -exec unlink {} +
insserv -d ${i};
done
;;

disable|remove|del)
# Here the the initscript gets disabled.
# This is done by place a single stop link in /etc/rc1.d/
# Due to this a package update wont change this settings.
# It has be mentioned that not used stop-actions do not hit performance
# read https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2013/04/msg00829.html
# You can modify the 'stop=1' here according if you like.
#
for i in "${@:2}";
do
find /etc/rc[S0-6].d/ -iname "*${i}" -type l -exec unlink {} +
insserv -f ${i},start=,stop=1;
done
;;

show)
# Display current state of 
#
printf "rlvl\tslot\tservive\n"
for i in "${@:2}";
do
find /etc/rc[S0-6].d/ -iname "*${i}" -type l | sed 
's#^/etc/rc##;s#\.d/S#\tS#;s#\.d/K#\tK#;s#\([SK][0-9][0-9]\)#\1\t#' | sort -k2
done
;;

*)
printf "usage:   rc-update enable|disable|show   
... \n\n"
printf "enable:  Use default runlevels as defined in the scripts.\n"
printf "disable: Remove the listed scripts from all runlevels.\n"
printf "show:Output runlevel and sequence information of service.\n"
;;

esac
}

alias rc-add="rc-update add"
alias rc-del="rc-update del"
alias rc-show="rc-update show"

Re: administration of initscripts

[Thilo Six]

Hello Roger,


Excerpt from myself:


--  --
> insserv clearly complains instead that other services are affected by this
> change. Generally to a admin insserv seems to be nicer API over update-rc.d to
> me. Apart from that, by this i found a major bug in rc-update(). Will fix 
> that.

i have question regarding insserv. I found a strange behavior to me and i would
like to know if this on purpose.

# insserv -s | grep mountkernfs.sh
S:01:S:mountkernfs.sh

# find /etc/rc[S0-6].d/ -iname "*mountkernfs.sh" -type l -exec unlink {} +
# find /etc/rc[S0-6].d/ -iname "*mountkernfs.sh" -type l


# insserv -s | grep mountkernfs.sh
S:01:S:mountkernfs.sh



So 'insserv -s' displays what it thinks should be there instead of just
displaying what actually is there on disk?

insserv(8)
-s, --showall
  Output  runlevel and sequence information. Do not update
  symlinks.

If the above is on purpose should this text be stated more precisely?

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Re: administration of initscripts

[Thilo Six]

Hello


Excerpt from Roger Leigh:


--  --
> update-rc.d foo disable|enable
> 
> is one method.
--  --

i did played further around with this. First have a look at this:


# find /etc/rc[S0-6].d/ -iname '*mountkernfs.sh*'
/etc/rcS.d/S01mountkernfs.sh

# update-rc.d mountkernfs.sh disable
update-rc.d: using dependency based boot sequencing
insserv: warning: current start runlevel(s) (empty) of script `mountkernfs.sh'
overrides LSB defaults (S).
insserv: warning: current stop runlevel(s) (S) of script `mountkernfs.sh'
overrides LSB defaults (empty).

# find /etc/rc[S0-6].d/ -iname '*mountkernfs.sh*'
/etc/rcS.d/K01mountkernfs.sh


As you can see update-rc.d complains, but only that the initscript defaults are
getting overwritten. Now look at this:


# find /etc/rc[S0-6].d/ -iname '*mountkernfs.sh*'
/etc/rcS.d/S01mountkernfs.sh

# rc-update del mountkernfs.sh
insserv: Service mountkernfs has to be enabled to start service udev
insserv: Service mountkernfs has to be enabled to start service keyboard-setup
insserv: Service mountkernfs has to be enabled to start service mountdevsubfs
insserv: Service mountkernfs has to be enabled to start service networking
insserv: Service mountkernfs has to be enabled to start service procps
insserv: exiting now!

# find /etc/rc[S0-6].d/ -iname '*mountkernfs.sh*'
/etc/rc1.d/K01mountkernfs.sh



insserv clearly complains instead that other services are affected by this
change. Generally to a admin insserv seems to be nicer API over update-rc.d to
me. Apart from that, by this i found a major bug in rc-update(). Will fix that.

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Re: administration of initscripts

[Thilo Six]

Hello Roger


Excerpt from Roger Leigh:

--  --
>> Yes, the man page says it swaps the S for a K.
>> e.g. say we have the following link:
>> /etc/rc2.d/K10cups
>>
>> Then afaik - and please correct if i am wrong - init will call the stop part 
>> of
>> this initscript when ever runlevel 2 is entered. So basically during each 
>> boot
>> process. Why should we spent resources on that?
>> Therefor rc-update() places those links instead only in runlevel 1 where they
>> might even be useful without wasting time on them during bootup, nor 
>> shutdown.
> 
> This is simply how System V init works when runlevels change.  You do
> need the links in each runlevel so that you stop all the necessary
> services when leaving the runlevel, and then start all the necessary
> services entering the new runlevel (i.e. you run all the K links in
> runlevel n, and then all the S links in runlevel m).  You can remove
> "unnecessary" links, but then you'll find that things won't then be
> stopped if you switch runlevels/shut down etc. in the "wrong" order.
> 
> However... that's how it works traditionally.  Current Debian uses
> startpar to effect runlevel changes, and it has both the links and the
> /etc/init.d/.depend* dependency graphs as input.  It can potentially be
> quite a bit cleverer in avoiding running scripts unnecessarily.  I
> haven't checked if it does or not though--it would be interesting to
> know.
> 
> Note that the overhead of running a script that exits immediately is
> almost unnoticeable.  For all but the most exceptional circumstances,
> eliminating these scripts being run is not worthwhile.  A quick test
> on my system shows that I can run (sequentially) up to 2300 shell
> scripts *per second* or (parallel) potentially around 8 times that,
> i.e. over 18000.  This is a decent system, but even on a slower system,
> it's not worth optimising stuff that's lost in the noise--there are far
> greater things that slow stuff down--like actually starting and stopping
> stuff--and this is all parallelised now anyhow.  If you were to optimise
> this, you'd save a tiny fraction of a second.

Thank you for the insight. This is interesting. I will keep this in mind, though
i probably wont send another update of rc-update() to this list as people are
getting bored presumably.

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rc-update() 1.0

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Hello

you might have read:
http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2013/04/msg00644.html

In case you are interested i updated rc-update() to be able to handle several
services at once:
# rc-update enable|disable|show   ... 

The API has changed (not good), but i consider the feature addition significant
enough to be worthwhile this breakage.

Since i consider this new version now feature complete it is 1.0! ;)


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_rc-update()
{
local cur prev words cword
_init_completion || return

if [[ $cword -eq 1 && $prev == ?(*/)rc-update ]]; then
COMPREPLY=( $( compgen -W 'enable disable remove add del show' -- 
"$cur" ) )
else
_services
fi
}
builtin complete -F _rc-update rc-update


rc-update()
{
  case "${1}" in
enable|add)
insserv -d "${@:2}"
;;

disable|remove|del)
insserv -r "${@:2}"
for i in "${@:2}"; do insserv -f ${i},start=,stop=1; done
;;

show)
for i in "${@:2}"; do insserv -s | \grep -i ${i} | sort -r | sed 
's/^K:/K/;s/^S:/S/;s/:/\t/g'; done
;;

*)
printf "usage:   rc-update enable|disable|show   
... \n\n"
printf "enable:  Use default runlevels as defined in the scripts.\n"
printf "disable: Remove the listed scripts from all runlevels.\n"
printf "show:Output runlevel and sequence information of service.\n"
;;

  esac
}

Re: administration of initscripts

[Thilo Six]

Hello Roger


Excerpt from Roger Leigh:

>>> update-rc.d foo disable|enable

--  --
>> It might be a nuisance but running the stop part of the initscript isn't the
>> same as not touching it all?
> 
> Sorry, I don't quite understand the question here.  update-rc.d
> never starts or stops anything--all it does is adjust the rc.d
> links.

Yes, the man page says it swaps the S for a K.
e.g. say we have the following link:
/etc/rc2.d/K10cups

Then afaik - and please correct if i am wrong - init will call the stop part of
this initscript when ever runlevel 2 is entered. So basically during each boot
process. Why should we spent resources on that?
Therefor rc-update() places those links instead only in runlevel 1 where they
might even be useful without wasting time on them during bootup, nor shutdown.


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Re: administration of initscripts

[Thilo Six]

Hello Michael,


Excerpt from Michael Biebl:


--  --
 + dropping human readable textfiles in favour of c binary code, which
 makes it
 needless more complex to debug the whole show.
>>> That's non-sense. systemd unit files are text-files in ini-like format
>>> and much more readable then shell scripts with all their boiler plate.
>> I think it was more in reference to the systemd journal, which is not
>> plaintext by any means.
> 
> It is by no means c binary code either.
> It is like saying gzipped log files are c binary code.

I stand corrected. If i have time i might teach myself better the ins- and outs
of systemd.


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Re: Using unstable for certain packages

[Thilo Six]

Hello Kevin,


Excerpt from Kevin Chadwick:


--  --
>>  libreoffice | 1:4.0.2~rc2-2  | experimental  | source, amd64, 
>> armel, i386, kfreebsd-amd64, kfreebsd-i386
>>
>> And yes, 4.0.x will also be in wheezy-backports when it's time for that.
>> Using it from "unstable" is bad, because it'll also give you a loads
>> of libs not in wheezy which might easily end up pullling a new libc6 etc.
> 
> You can install it very easily as a separately verifiable .deb package
> (actually many but the wildcards bring it to about 4 commands).

Kevin, it seems you do not know that Rene actually knows that. As he is the
libreoffice debian maintainer.
...and actually does a great job at that! Thank you Rene.

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Re: administration of initscripts

[Thilo Six]

Hello Yaro,


Excerpt from Yaro Kasear:


--  --
> Systemd has "assimilated" udev, 

--  --
> Related to the above two downsides, systemd is not really a crowning 
> example of a developer following the UNIX Philosophy of "one simple task 
> and do it well."

--  --
> Administrators might not like systemd's native logger, which outputs 
> solely in a binary form, requiring users to use "journalctl" to read 
> system logs.And you have to run it as root or be part of a special user 
> group to see the ENTIRETY of the journal. This means you might not be 
> able to simply run a LiveCD to read logs to see what went wrong with a 
> system.

--  --
> Some people do *not* like Lennart Poettering, the lead developer, who 
> also gave us "gems" like PulseAudio, which I still cannot stand to this day.

+ dropping human readable textfiles in favour of c binary code, which makes it
needless more complex to debug the whole show.

really systemd is my personal no go.


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Re: administration of initscripts

[Thilo Six]

Hello Siard,


Excerpt from Siard:

> Thilo Six wrote:
>> gentoo has a rather nice API for an administrator to handle
>> initscripts s.th. i always missed in debian.
> 
> Isn't sysv-rc-conf what you are looking for?

Thank you for your help. I am aware of the existents of 3rd party managing tools
of this kind and always wondered how well they are actually integrated.
As has been mentioned in this thread some of them even break.
Apart from that i dislike the idea to install yet an other package everywhere
for functionality that should be and is already on-board.


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Re: administration of initscripts

[Thilo Six]

Hello Roger,


Excerpt from Roger Leigh:


--  --
> update-rc.d foo disable|enable
> 
> is one method.

Thank you for sharing this!
It might be a nuisance but running the stop part of the initscript isn't the
same as not touching it all?

--  --
> Getting rid of all the /etc/default disable options will be a release
> goal for jessie.

This sounds good. May i thank you for all your work toward sysvinit in the past
months? !!

> 
> 
> Regards,
> Roger
> 

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Re: administration of initscripts

[Thilo Six]

Hello Bob,


Excerpt from Bob Proulx:

> Thilo Six wrote:
>> Subject: administration of initscripts
>> ...in debian has been no pleasure for some time now.
> 
> Sorry to hear that.  Why not?

I was looking for the "offical" way of dealing with initscript for some time
now. If you look online mostly update-rc.d is recommended in such discussions.

but e.g. compare:
update-rc.d cups stop 80 0 1 .

with:
rc-update cups del

Really the former is a API written to be used by computers and it does a good
job there, but it isn't all that good when being used by humans.

>> Well the reason i write this, is i found a solution that works for me which i
>> would like to share with you.
> 
> Thank you for sharing.

You are welcome!

--  --
>>It is notably that it has even been said on debian-devel, that update-rc.d
>>is a API for developers only and not even been considered to be used by
>>administrators (search for it).
> 
> It is designed to be used by packages during postinst and postrm.  A
> mechanism for automated install and uninstall.  Not really something
> you type in at the command line. But nothing stops you from typing it
> in at the command line.  It just isn't designed for it.  It is
> designed for the package automation.

I agree with you here.


--  --
> I have been using Debian for many years now.  In all of that time  I
> have never wanted to "manage" init scripts.  I always wonder.  What
> are people trying to do?

Basically with a default debian install there also come some functionality that
i simply do not need. Those i purge rather soon.
Other additional functionality like printing i *might* use someday. So i won't
purge cups for that reason but not starting cups (and some other services)
reduce startup times noticeable.
As others already rightly stated that it is a virtue to turn off not used
listening ports.

Basically administration of initscripts and the decision of which services are
run is the main domain of the local admin.
The question should not be: Why would you do that? but How do you do that?

> What is more complicated than this.  If you want it then install it.
> If you don't want it then remove or purge it.  With those two commands
> all management is handled automatically.

I named use cases for this. Also i conducted that remove/purge isn't always an
option.

> And therefore I must ask.  What more management do you need?  Anything
> else is truly unusual.

What i was really looking for is a easy to use API for an human admin to
include/exclude specific services at boot time.
Nothing more nothing less.

If look through several discussions where users ask howto "enable / disable
services in debian" you come rather soon to the conclusion that there does not
seem to be an official way of doing things.
If this thread does nothing else then making it more prominent that the official
way in debian is to 'update-rc.d foo disable|enable' then this would be a good
outcome IMO.

> This doesn't mean there isn't a valid case for different run levels.
> There are.  I have just never needed them myself.  So I am seriously
> interested in the question.

I until now i do not have a real need for different runlevels either. But i do
have a strong need to manage the one runlevel i actually use the way i say and
that in actually an easy way.


--  --
> I very much like the fact that you are working with the system and
> with insserv.  That is awesome!  Everything should work nicely with
> the system that way.

Thank you.


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administration of initscripts

[Thilo Six]

...in debian has been no pleasure for some time now.

Hello readers.


Well the reason i write this, is i found a solution that works for me which i
would like to share with you.

Following goals had been set:
1) Do not clash with existing system tools.
   It is notably that it has even been said on debian-devel, that update-rc.d
   is a API for developers only and not even been considered to be used by
   administrators (search for it).
2) Upgrade of packages shall be handled correctly.
   When a service is disabled, do not reactivate it on package upgrades.

gentoo has a rather nice API for an administrator to handle initscripts s.th. i
always missed in debian. So i modelled this solution somewhat after the gentoo 
API.


Here are the unvoidable screenshots:

initial situation:
# find /etc/rc[S0-6].d/ -iname '*cups*'
/etc/rc1.d/K01cups
/etc/rc2.d/S18cups
/etc/rc3.d/S18cups
/etc/rc4.d/S18cups
/etc/rc5.d/S18cups

# rc-update cups show
K:01:1:cups
S:18:2 3 4 5:cups

say we want cups deactivated:
# rc-update cups del

# find /etc/rc[S0-6].d/ -iname '*cups*'
/etc/rc1.d/K01cups

# rc-update cups show
K:01:1:cups


At this stage cups is deactivated and since upgrade-rc.d will respect the
existing last link, it will not touch the links on package upgrades.
The stop link has been deliberately put into /etc/rc1.d/ as this is the single
user runlevel in debian.

Say we want cups reactivated:
# rc-update cups add

# find /etc/rc[S0-6].d/ -iname '*cups*'
/etc/rc1.d/K01cups
/etc/rc2.d/S18cups
/etc/rc3.d/S18cups
/etc/rc4.d/S18cups
/etc/rc5.d/S18cups

# rc-update cups show
K:01:1:cups
S:18:2 3 4 5:cups

The nice thing here is, we reuse the LSB headers that are inside of cups script
and therefore the start links are recreated as they had been before!

If you like it here is it:

/---

_rc-update()
{
local cur prev words cword
_init_completion || return

# don't complete past 2nd token
[[ $cword -gt 2 ]] && return 0

if [[ $cword -eq 1 && $prev == ?(*/)rc-update ]]; then
_services
[[ -e /etc/mandrake-release ]] && _xinetd_services
else
local sysvdirs
_sysvdirs
COMPREPLY=( $( compgen -W 'enable disable remove add del show' -- 
"$cur" ) )
fi
}
builtin complete -F _rc-update rc-update


rc-update()
{
   case "${2}" in
enable|add)
insserv -d "${1}"
;;

disable|remove|del)
insserv -r "${1}"
insserv -f "${1}",start=,stop=1
;;

show)
insserv -s | \grep -i "${1}"
;;

*)
printf "usage:   rc-update  enable|disable|show\n\n"
printf "enable:  Use default runlevels as defined in the scripts.\n"
printf "disable: Remove the listed scripts from all runlevels.\n"
printf "show:Output runlevel and sequence information of service.\n"
;;

esac
}

---/

As you can see these rc-update() is a wrapper around insserv and _rc-update()
provides tab-completion. Details can be read in insserv(8).

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Re: limits.conf

[Thilo Six]

Hello Guido,


Excerpt from Guido Martínez:

> I can confirm this. I wasn't sure if it was expected behaviour so I
> did a quick google search and came to this
> http://www.chrissearle.org/blog/technical/increasing_max_number_open_files_glassfish_user_debian.
> 
> If you want 'su' to set the user limits you need to modify
> /etc/pam.d/su and uncomment the line "# session required
> pam_limits.so". I tried it and it works.

Thank you! That gives expected results. Additionally i added the same to
'/etc/pam.d/sudo'.


> Given that this option exists, it's most likely not a bug.

IMO well at least that fact that this line is commented and that 'su' is the
only file in /etc/pam.d/ that does so is arguable.

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Re: slow ssh prompt

[Thilo Six]

Hello binary,


Excerpt from binary dreamer:

> Hi. I am running debian 6.0.7 and i am facing a problem with slow 
> response when asking to ssh. once i do a ssh root@192.168.1.77 then the 
> prompt for the passwd it takes around 30 secs to respond. after that 
> everything is fine. is there a way to fix that delay?

You could try adding a '-v' =verbose switch behind the ssh. It is possible to
add that up to '-vvv' =maximum verbosity.
Then ssh will tell you what it is doing, or not doing. This might help you in
further debugging the issue.


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Re: Fixing a half-configured package

[Thilo Six]

Hello Bob,


Excerpt from Bob Proulx:
--  --
> I will pull back to the safer higher level tool "dpkg-reconfigure"
> which runs the postinst scripts.
> 
>   root@junk:~# dpkg-reconfigure nfs-kernel-server
>   insserv: Service nfs-common has to be enabled to start service 
> nfs-kernel-server
>   insserv: exiting now!
>   update-rc.d: error: insserv rejected the script header
> 
> To fix it means enabling nfs-common to start.  This can be done with
> update-rc.d but the safe answer is to use dpkg-reconfigure and let it
> run the postinst script.  Here is the fix.
> 
>   root@junk:~# dpkg-reconfigure nfs-common
>   Stopping NFS common utilities: idmapd statd.
>   Starting NFS common utilities: statd idmapd.
>   root@junk:~# dpkg-reconfigure nfs-kernel-server
>   Stopping NFS kernel daemon: mountd nfsd.
>   Unexporting directories for NFS kernel daemon
>   Exporting directories for NFS kernel daemon
>   Starting NFS kernel daemon: nfsd mountd.
> 
> Bob

Thank you for your analysis of the problem. I did learn new things from that!

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Re: sync apt/dpkg state between systems?

[Thilo Six]

Hello Bob,


Excerpt from Bob Proulx:

--  --
>> Let me tell you why i suggested etckeeper.
>> Here i use it to commit /etc into $VCS on a regularly basis. This helps me to
>> keep track of what is going on in /etc.
>> Being able to compare my modifications with the original is a feature you 
>> surely
>> will not miss anymore, after you get used to it.
> 
> This is where our strategy of attack on the problem is different.  I
> started from the idea that there are a lot of files in /etc but only a
> few of them need to be excluded from the restoration.  Therefore
> identify the files that should be excluded.  Then restore everything
> *except* for the files that should be excluded.  Whereas I think you
> were started from the idea that there a lot of files in /etc and only
> the known okay files to restore should be restored.  Identify the
> files that should be restored and only restore those files.
> 
> Basically one strategy is include all but those excluded and the other
> strategy is exclude all but those included.
> 
> I think we are in agreement that some files must be restored and some
> files must be excluded.  We differ on the technique to get there.

Excellent summary!
It is like positiv vs. negativ logic in bollean algebra. If you know the rules
with both you can reach your goal, just the way in between is different.


--  --
>> Dpkg::Options {
>> "--force-confdef";
>> "--force-confold";
>> "--force-confmiss";
>> }
>> credits for this go to: http://raphaelhertzog.com
> 
> That controls the behavior of dpkg when it would normally stop and
> interact with the user admin who is installing or upgrading a package
> about the handling of a conffile.  Should you install the new package
> file, keep the existing file, or merge them?  Or see the differences
> between them?  The above answers those questions globally so that it
> never stops to ask a question.
> 
> I fully agree with confmiss.  I routinely set that too.  But I have
> seen heated arguments from people who have argued (apparently
> successfully because the change went in) that removing a required /etc
> file is a desired configuration and that it must be preserved.
> (Regarding the /etc/network/interfaces file.)  This adds yet another
> logical state to be considered.
> 
> I use a system configuration management system similar to cfengine,
> puppet, chef that I have programmed to configure the system.  I have
> directed it to read-modify-write various configuration files to set
> them as desired.  In that type of environment it is advantageous to me
> to use confnew.  With confnew I will always get the package version of
> the file with the package default configuration.  Which will then
> immediately be reconfigured into my desired configuration by the
> system management tool.

I understand we do have a common understanding of handling such things.
As i do not have to administer a bulk of systems i differ in that i do not have
the need for an advanced configuration system as cfengine.
But apart from that my workflow to handle /etc is similar to yours.
With 'confold' dpkg by default keeps the configuration that is already in place
in production and installs new configurations from DMs as foo.dpkg-dist.
My VCS then notifies me about new or changed files and the i go through them and
merge them as i see fit.



--  --
>>>   * Exclude /etc/fstab
>>>   * Exclude /etc/lvm
>>>   * Exclude /etc/mdadm
>>
>> + /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/resume
> 
> Ha!  I always use lvm and so for me the names in the
> /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/resume file are always logical names and
> would be the same across systems.  But point taken.  If that is a UUID
> then it should be excluded from the restore.

here on my system it does:

$ grep -o 'RESUME=UUID=..' /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/resume
RESUME=UUID=7bb317c1-e


> Plus there is your note about ethernet addresses.  In addition to the
> 70-persistent-net.rules file that may also affect people using
> "guessnet" or other such networking packages.
> 
>> ..and maybe some more. This is why i would look into the difference prior to
>> rsyncing. After i had become confident i would use rsync, too.
> 
> At the center between the strategies of include and exclude is the
> need to identify which files must be included in the restoration and
> which files must be excluded.  Having that list then we would restore
> what should be included and avoid those that should be excluded.
> 
> I think you and I would both identify these files on-the-fly by seeing
> the files, by looking at the file contents, by other dynamic decision
> making.  But I fear that for many people that would be beyond their
> level of skill.  Our discussion shows that it isn't trivial.  It takes
> some experience.
> 
> Can we document what we have learned from this discussion?  Would
> someone be able to follow that documentation and successfully peform a
> restoration as described?  Is it possible to create a script that
> would a

Re: Migrate from Icedove to Thunderbird.

[Thilo Six]

Hello


Excerpt from Jose Manuel Pérez:

>> How do I migrate my
>> 1] email
>> 2] filters
>> 3] mailboxes
>> 4] address book
>>
>> from Icedove to Thunderbird?
> 
> If you are migrating in Linux, just copy .icedove directory to 
> ..thunderbird

i suppose this to be a typo as it should be '.thunderbird'

> and it should work (mail, address book, calendar, ect.). 
> I've done it from thunderbird to icedove and viceversa.

While this works to my experience this leaves traces of the old path
'~/.icedove' in the profile behind.
This should compile a list for you:
$ grep -HiIrn '\.icedove' ~/.thunderbird

But do not blatantly exchange those two strings. It really depends in which
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Re: sync apt/dpkg state between systems?

[Thilo Six]

Hello Bob and Paul,


Excerpt from myself:


--  --

>>   * Exclude /etc/fstab
>>   * Exclude /etc/lvm
>>   * Exclude /etc/mdadm
> 
> + /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/resume

It just crossed my mind that you also need to take care of everything where your
MAC adresses are reused. For certain that is:

/etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules

and depending on your setup maybe also files below:
/etc/network/


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Re: Fixing a half-configured package

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Hello


Excerpt from sirquij...@lavabit.com:


--  --

> Setting up nfs-kernel-server (1:1.2.2-4squeeze2) ...
> insserv: Service nfs-common has to be enabled to start service

compare this with yours:


,[  head -n 14 /etc/init.d/nfs-common  ]---


#!/bin/bash

### BEGIN INIT INFO
# Provides:  nfs-common
# Required-Start:$portmap $time
# Required-Stop: $time
# Default-Start: 2 3 4 5 S
# Default-Stop:  0 1 6
# Short-Description: NFS support files common to client and server
# Description:   NFS is a popular protocol for file sharing across
#TCP/IP networks. This service provides various
#support functions for NFS mounts.
### END INIT INFO
`---

I suppose the line '# Default-Start:' to be different on your computer.


--  --

> So, the LSB error is absent, but the nfs-kernel-server error still exists..

No clearly there is a LSB header issue. insserv complaints that it the
initscript 'nfs-kernel-server' tells it, that 'nfs-kernel-server' depends on on
the functionality provided by 'nfs-common'. But since 'nfs-common' is disabled
it can't fullfill the requirtment.


>  Clearly they're not connected, and I'm not sure how necessary moving my
> command to rc.local actually was.

well at least the error message from earlier is gone.

> I then ran "/etc/init.d/nfs-common start" and used aptitude to upgrade
> another package, and received the exact same error messages - oddly it
> still says, "Service nfs-common has to be enabled to start service
> nfs-kernel-server" even though I checked and idmapd and statd (the
> processes initiated by the previous init command) were definitely running..

The idea behind insserv and the LSB headers are to provide a system to declare
dependencies between initscripts. Look at the code snipped above it says
'# Required-Start:'.
This means '/etc/init.d/nfs-common' can only function after the
'$portmap $time' are available. '/etc/init.d/nfs-common' by it self also has
such a '# Provides:' so that other initscript can tell "only start me after
'/etc/init.d/nfs-common' is already running".

So this LSB headers are there to managed initscripts and insserv uses them to
create/resemble the start scripts below '/etc/rc[S0-6].d/' depending on the
actually installed services.

you can use:
insserv -v

to manually call insserv. It will tell you the same error messages as during apt
operation until the initscripts are fixed.



So in the end it is possible that insserv complaints that there are unfulfilled
dependencies, but it is still possible to start those services manually. Which
is what you did.



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Re: Fixing a half-configured package

[Thilo Six]

Hello sirquijote


Excerpt from sirquij...@lavabit.com:


--  --

> The usercommands script is just a simple one-liner that I inserted to turn
> off my laptop's screen on boot, just before login:
> 
>>> CODE<<
> 
> #! /bin/sh
> # /etc/init.d/usercommands
> #
> 
> # Turn off the display on boot
> vbetool dpms off
> 
> exit 0
>>> \CODE<<
> 
> That's all it does.  Is there some way I can re-implement that command to
> avoid having to learn how to use LSB tags?  That skeleton file is just
> gobbledy-gook to me, and I'm already troubleshooting Netatalk 3 it is.

You can use '/etc/rc.local' for this purpose. It is there for exactly such
things. Just put your command(s) in there but keep the last line 'exit 0' as
last line intact.

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Re: sync apt/dpkg state between systems?

[Thilo Six]

Hello Bob,

Thank you for your answer!


Excerpt from Bob Proulx:


--  --

>>>   # rsync -av /mnt/backup/etc/ /etc/
>>>   # rsync -n --delete -av /mnt/backup/etc/ /etc/
>>>   # rsync --delete -av /mnt/backup/etc/ /etc/
>>
>> I believe this not to be a good idea. When you do this you mess around with
>> config files under the control of dpkg. With all the mess that creates.
> 
> Thank you for the review comment!  However I respectfully disagree.

I gather we do have different opinions and workflows in this regard which is
absolutely fine.
Maybe i am too worried about this rsync method. Probably due to past
experiences. But it is just too easy to overlook s.th. see below.

> And apparently you do as well because you immediately suggested
> etckeeper which does exactly the same thing of managing files in /etc.
> It is the same thing but simply using a different tool.

In this regard i do have an other POV then you. I do believe that etckeeper does
not change any file in /etc without manually intervention.
(Obviously files in '/etc/.vcs' are excluded from this rule.)
So i think this is different from the rsync operation you suggested.

Let me tell you why i suggested etckeeper.
Here i use it to commit /etc into $VCS on a regularly basis. This helps me to
keep track of what is going on in /etc.
Being able to compare my modifications with the original is a feature you surely
will not miss anymore, after you get used to it.

> Most files in /etc are "conffiles".  They are within the realm of
> control of the user.  Changes to them are understood and respected by
> the package manager.  There isn't any "mess" caused by interaction
> with dpkg.

I do have to commit that i did not spent time yet to understand that "conffiles"
system deeply.
I do have this snipped in my '/etc/apt/apt.conf.d/99local' though:

/---

// --force-confold:
// do not modify the current configuration file, the new version is installed
// with a .dpkg-dist suffix. With this option alone, even configuration files
// that you have not modified are left untouched. You need to combine it with
// --force-confdef to let dpkg overwrite configuration files that you have not
// modified.

// --force-confdef:
// ask dpkg to decide alone when it can and prompt otherwise. This is the
// default behavior of dpkg and this option is mainly useful in combination
// with --force-confold.

// --force-confmiss:
// ask dpkg to install the configuration file if it’s currently missing (for
// example because you have removed the file by mistake).

Dpkg::Options {
"--force-confdef";
"--force-confold";
"--force-confmiss";
}
---/

credits for this go to: http://raphaelhertzog.com


> However that isn't true of all files.  And in particular there are
> uuids associated with lvm and md.  The /etc/lvm and /etc/mdadm
> directories and any other UUIDs in /etc/fstab contain UUIDs and other
> information specific to the new machine and new filesystems.  Those
> would need to be avoided when restoring from backup.  Otherwise the
> new system would have the UUIDs from the old system and that wouldn't
> work.
> 
>   * Exclude /etc/fstab
>   * Exclude /etc/lvm
>   * Exclude /etc/mdadm

+ /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/resume

..and maybe some more. This is why i would look into the difference prior to
rsyncing. After i had become confident i would use rsync, too.


>> I would reinstall everything you had/need again and then diff prior to mass
>> overwriting the files.
> 
> It is certainly a safe procedure to diff and review and merge from the
> old to the new.  And making that the smallest possible set of merges
> by installing the smallest possible system first is easiest.
> 
> Alternatively if working on the configuration files in /etc causes
> stress then it is certainly reasonable to avoid any merging at all and
> simply re-install what you had before and and re-configure whatever
> you want again.  It won't be an exact copy then but everything will be
> freshly installed and fresh in your mind.
> 
> Bob
> 

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Re: sync apt/dpkg state between systems?

[Thilo Six]

Hello


Excerpt from Bob Proulx:


--  --

>   # rsync -av /mnt/backup/etc/ /etc/
>   # rsync -n --delete -av /mnt/backup/etc/ /etc/
>   # rsync --delete -av /mnt/backup/etc/ /etc/

--  --

I believe this not to be a good idea. When you do this you mess around with
config files under the control of dpkg. With all the mess that creates.

I would reinstall everything you had/need again and then diff prior to mass
overwriting the files.

dirdif ()
{
\diff -qrB --exclude='.hg' --exclude='.git' "${1%/}" "${2%/}"
}
[

'/var/lib/apt/extended_states' has the complete package list and knows which
packages are autoinstalled and which have been installed manually.

If you don't mind i attach my own '/etc/cron.daily/etckeeper' (it is only 4k)
which takes care for me to commit those important data into hg.
You can modify it to use your referred vcs instead.

It also compiles a list of installed packages into '/etc/apt/backup/'. Look at
the top of it.

Hope this is useful to you.

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#!/bin/bash
set -e

# enter debug mode:
# set -x

MY_APT_BACKUP_DIR=/etc/apt/backup

[ -d "${MY_APT_BACKUP_DIR}" ] || /bin/mkdir -p "${MY_APT_BACKUP_DIR}"

if [ -x /usr/bin/aptitude ]; then
  /usr/bin/aptitude -F '%p' search '~i~M' 
>"${MY_APT_BACKUP_DIR}"/packages_autoinstalled
  else
  printf "\naptitude not installed! # apt-get install aptitude\n\n"
  exit 11
fi

/usr/bin/dpkg --get-selections | \
/usr/bin/awk '$2 == "install"' >"${MY_APT_BACKUP_DIR}"/packages_installed

if [ -x /usr/bin/debconf-get-selections ] ; then
 /usr/bin/debconf-get-selections >"${MY_APT_BACKUP_DIR}"/packages_debconf
  else
  printf "\ndebconf-get-selections not installed! # apt-get install 
debconf-utils\n\n"
  exit 12
fi



## etckeeper orig:
if [ -x /usr/bin/etckeeper -o -x /usr/sbin/etckeeper ] && [ -e 
/etc/etckeeper/etckeeper.conf ]; then
. /etc/etckeeper/etckeeper.conf

# are we configured?
if [[ "${VCS}" != "hg" ]] ; then
# etckeeper unconfigured! ...abort
printf "\netckeeper unconfigured! edit 
/etc/etckeeper/etckeeper.conf first! \n\n"
exit 13
fi

if [[ ! -x /usr/bin/hg ]]; then
printf "\nmercurial not installed! # apt-get install mercurial \n\n"
exit 14
fi

if [ "$AVOID_DAILY_AUTOCOMMITS" != "1" ]; then
# avoid autocommit if an install run is in progress
lockfile=/var/cache/etckeeper/packagelist.pre-install
if [ -e "$pe" ] && [ -n "$(find "$lockfile" -mtime +1)" ]; then
rm -f "$lockfile" # stale
fi
if [ ! -e "$lockfile" ]; then
AVOID_SPECIAL_FILE_WARNING=1
export AVOID_SPECIAL_FILE_WARNING

  # /etc
if [[ ! -d /etc/.hg ]]; then
etckeeper init -d /etc
fi
etckeeper pre-commit -d /etc >/dev/null 2>&1
etckeeper list-installed -d /etc 
>"${MY_APT_BACKUP_DIR}"/packagelist
if etckeeper unclean -d /etc ; then
etckeeper commit "$(hg status -R /etc/)" >/dev/null 
2>&1
fi


  # /var/backups
  if [[ -d /var/backups ]]; then
if [ ! -e /var/backups/.hgignore ]; then
cat > /var/backups/.hgignore &1
if etckeeper unclean -d /var/backups/ ; then
etckeeper commit -d /var/backups/ "$(hg status -R 
/var/backups/)" >/dev/null 2>&1
fi
  fi


  # /var/lib/apt
  if [[ -d /var/lib/apt ]]; then
if [ ! -e /var/lib/apt/.hgignore ]; then
cat > /var/lib/apt/.hgignore &1
if etckeeper unclean -d /var/lib/apt/ ; then
etckeeper commit -d /var/lib/apt/ "$(hg status -R 
/var/lib/apt/)" >/dev/null 2>&1
fi
  fi


  # /var/lib/aptitude
  if [[ -d /var/lib/aptitude ]]; then
if [ ! -e /var/lib/aptitude/.hgignore ]; then
cat > /var/lib/aptitude/.hgignore &1
if etckeeper unclean -d /var/lib/aptitude/ ; then
etckeeper commit -d /var/lib/aptitude/ "$(hg status 
-R /var/lib/aptitude/)" >/dev/null 2>&1
fi
  fi


  # /var/lib/dpkg
  if [[ -d /var/lib/dpkg ]]; then
if [[ ! -d /var/lib/dpkg/.hg ]]; then
hg init /var/lib/dpkg
fi
etckeeper pre-commit -d /var/lib/dpkg/ >/dev/null 2>&1
etckeeper list

limits.conf

[Thilo Six]

Hello

i have observed a to my (limited) understanding a strange behavior regarding
limits settings. I would like some hint if i am doing s.th. wrong or if i
encountered a bug.


i have the following:

/etc/security/limits.conf

*   - nproc   512
rootsoft  nproc   1024
roothard  nproc   2048

*   - nofile  8192
root- nofile  16383


limits.conf(5):
NOTE: group and wildcard limits are not applied to the root
  user. To set a limit for the root user, this field must
  contain the literal username root.


With the settings above applied when i log in on a vt as root i get the
follwoing limits for user root:

root on vt:
# ulimit -Hu
2048
# ulimit -Hn
16383
# ulimit -Su
1024
# ulimit -Sn
16383


^- These are excepted results.


Now when i log into kde and start konsole or a xterm and 'su -' i get the 
following:

root in kde:
# ulimit -Sn
8192
# ulimit -Hn
8192
# ulimit -Su
512
# ulimit -Hu
512


su(1):
  -, -l, --login
  Provide an environment similar to what the user would
  expect had the user logged in directly.

As you can see in this case the limits defined for a ordinary user are applied
for root. IMO this is a bug as it breaks documented behavior.

Should this be reported or am i missing s.th.?

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Re: Looking for wine-bin_1.4.1-1_amd64.deb.

[Thilo Six]

Hello Sthu,


Excerpt from Sthu Deus:

> Good time of the day.
> 
> 
> I want to update wine packages up to unstable versions - for amd64
> arch. But I see no, say
--  --
> What should I install - for amd64 arch then?

http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.debian.devel.release/52410

> 
> Thanks for Your time.
> 
> 

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Re: Rotation of Xorg log files

[Thilo Six]

Hello


Excerpt from Ralf Mardorf:

> On Sun, 2012-06-17 at 06:23 +0100, Alan Chandler wrote:
>> Can anyone tell me what is supposed to be rotating (and cleaning Xorg 
>> log files).  I've just noticed /var/log contains about 540 versions of 
>> the log
> 
> Wow, fortunately my X logs for Debian are limited to
> 
> spinymouse@precise:~$ ls /media/avlinux/var/log/X*
> /media/avlinux/var/log/Xorg.0.log  /media/avlinux/var/log/Xorg.0.log.old
> 
> But on Ubuntu I get
> spinymouse@precise:~$ ls .goutputstream-*
> .goutputstream-LX33FW

i suspect this some gnome/gdm/gvfs related thing:
https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gvfs-list/2009-April/msg9.html

With kdm i do not get those.

> 
> each time I log out there's a new useless file called .goutputstream-*.
> 
> If you aren't able to find the reason why, add a script to delete this
> crap, or manually delete it, as I do.
> 
> Is there any information in those log files, that really refers to a
> bug?
> 
> If you shouldn't know, please post one of your X log files.
> 
> - Ralf
> 
> 

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Re: Wheezy removed ifupdown

[Thilo Six]

Hello Ramon,


Excerpt from Ramon Hofer:

--  --

http://bugs.debian.org/672862

Now that ifupdown 0.7~rc3 entered testing that not happen anymore.

> Best regards
> Ramon


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Re: Boot messages getting cleared

[Thilo Six]

Hello Camaleón,


Excerpt from Camaleón:

> On Sun, 15 Apr 2012 18:48:21 +0200, Thilo Six wrote:
--  --
> the "--noclear" parameter so I think it has to be placed in "/etc/
> inittab" file:
> 
> 1:2345:respawn:/sbin/getty --noclear 38400 tty1

Excellent. Thats it. Apparently i did look into '/etc/inittab' without knowing
that this new parameter exists. The default '/usr/share/sysvinit/inittab' is
laking it, too. I created this bugreport for it:
http://bugs.debian.org/669049

Hope this helps someone.
> 
> Greetings,
> 

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Boot messages getting cleared

[Thilo Six]

Hello

since the upgrade to wheezy i have a problem with the messages that are shown
during boot. Currently during boot messages are shown as usual on vt1 but then
at some point late in the boot process these messages are cleared and then only
the login prompt is shown on vt1 just like on vt2.
I would like to have these messages on vt1 still as privously. It seems i use
the wrong search terms on google as nothing seems to show up. I tried to track
down the files in '/etc/init.d/' also kdms configuration. I have a little
suspicion that consolekit is the culprint but have no clue where and how to
change that. It would be kind if somebody could gave me some pointers in the
right direction.

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Re: pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org seems to be down

[Thilo Six]

Maarten wrote the following on 29.01.2012 21:38

> Hi all,
> 
> I've been trying to install Debian on my OpenMoko Neo Freerunner. There's a
> neat script for doing this, and it resides on pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org.
> Thing is, it's down.
> 
> How can I notify the server owner / maintainer? I have no idea who it might
> be to start with.

http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.debian.devel.announce/1648

> 
> 
> grtz,
> 
> Maarten
> 
> P.S: Plz include my mail address in the reply, I am not subscribed to the
> list.
> 


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Re: Playing with "apt-listchanges"

[Thilo Six]

Camaleón wrote the following on 22.05.2011 16:05

--  --

>> I guess you can configure apt-listchanges for another frontend (mail) in
>> /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/20listchanges to solve both problems.
>>
>> HTH
> 
> Hum... I see what it seems to be a configuration file for this under "/
> etc/apt/listchanges.conf" so I edited the "frontend" variable to "mail" 
> instead "pager" and that should be all.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Greetings,

Just for completeness. Instead of editing the config file by hand it is also
possible to:
# dpkg-reconfigure apt-listchanges

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Re: rootfs on SSD

[Thilo Six]

Rainer Dorsch wrote the following on 11.05.2011 12:05

> Am Montag, 9. Mai 2011 schrieb Thilo Six:
>> Andrei Popescu wrote the following on 09.05.2011 09:18
>>
>>>> rd@blackbox:~$ mount|grep rootfs
>>>> rootfs on / type rootfs (rw)
>>>> rd@blackbox:~$
>>>
>>> I don't have any 'rootfs' in the output of mount, instead I have this:
>>>
>>> /dev/sda6 on / type ext3 (rw,noatime,errors=remount-ro,commit=0)
>>>
>>> I have a feeling there's more to your setup that is missing here. Could
>>> you please post your complete /etc/fstab and full output of 'mount'?
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Andrei
>>
>> and the content of '/boot/grub/device.map'
> 
> Thank you for your replies.
> 
> Maybe the /boot/grub/device.map is interesting, because the SSD (sdc) is 
> missing in there (!):
> 
> blackbox:~# cat /boot/grub/device.map 
> (hd0)   /dev/disk/by-id/ata-ST3120023A_3KA1BNGQ
> (hd1)   /dev/disk/by-id/ata-SAMSUNG_HD501LJ_S0MUJ1FPB79563
> blackbox:~# 
> 
> How is the device.map file updated? By whom?

man grub-mkdevicemap

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Re: rootfs on SSD

[Thilo Six]

Andrei Popescu wrote the following on 09.05.2011 09:18

>> rd@blackbox:~$ mount|grep rootfs
>> rootfs on / type rootfs (rw)
>> rd@blackbox:~$ 
> 
> I don't have any 'rootfs' in the output of mount, instead I have this:
> 
> /dev/sda6 on / type ext3 (rw,noatime,errors=remount-ro,commit=0)
> 
> I have a feeling there's more to your setup that is missing here. Could 
> you please post your complete /etc/fstab and full output of 'mount'?
> 
> Regards,
> Andrei

and the content of '/boot/grub/device.map'

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Re: Disable a service

[Thilo Six]

John A. Sullivan III wrote the following on 10.04.2011 01:32

> On Sat, 2011-04-09 at 12:50 -1000, Joel Roth wrote:
>> On Sat, Apr 09, 2011 at 05:29:51PM -0400, John A. Sullivan III wrote:
>>> On Sat, 2011-04-09 at 11:05 -1000, Joel Roth wrote:
 On Sat, Apr 09, 2011 at 11:04:52AM -0400, Dan wrote:
> Hi,
> I would like to know which is the standard way to disable services. I
> thought that the standard way is just to delete the link of the
> service from rc*.d
>
> For example to disable bluetooth I would just delete the link
> /etc/rc3.d/S20bluetooth that points to ../init.d/bluetooth

 Some may disagree (and I've made this point before)
 a standard way to prevent a script from
 executing in Unixlike system is to set the 
 permissions.

 chmod a-x /etc/init.d/bluetooth

>>> 
>>> I like that way but what happens when it is updated? It also generates
>>> errors on boot and shutdown but those can be ignored.  Thanks - John
>>
>> I believe apt-get recognizes if a script has been modified (including
>> permission changes) and offers you the option of keeping
>> your current one, updating, looking at a diff, etc.
>> So you won't be blindsided.
> That's good and I do recall that.  I would probably want the new script
> but at least I would be reminded that I need to change the permissions.
> Could be a pain with lots of systems but I see that you address that
> below.
>>
>> Use of permissions to control execute permissions is
>> a Unix standard, even under Debian :-)
>>
>> By providing a simple yes-or-now, it is suitable for me, as
>> allows me to work without mastering the intricacies of Debian's
>> services.
>>
>> And it seems like a good example of how the Unix approach
>> allows you to administer your system.
>>  
>> If I needed to automate control of a large number of
>> systems, there could be advantages to using Debian tools.
>>
>>  update-rc.d service-name disable
>>
>> This makes sense, however, note the run-around Camale
>> had to go through to even find this command.
>>
>> I might use it next time (now that I know about it)
>> although then I would have to look at the symlinks 
>> instead of just the init script to see that a 
>> service has been disabled.
>>
>> At least knowing to check permissions has finally
>> made it through my thickly calcified cranial covering.
>> :-)
> 
> Once I took the time to learn how to use it, RedHat's chkconfig worked
> very well and it was simple to use (chkconfig  on, chkconfig
>  off, chkconfig --list , chkconfig --add .  I
> wonder if that's what insserv is trying to do.  I had never heard of it
> until this thread.  Is there a Debian equivalent of chkconfig? Thanks -
> John

Recently there has been a dicussion on debinan-devel about this topic.
People here probably are surprised but updated-rc.d isn´t for the admin.
It´s purpose is for the debian-developer only, used in the package scripts.

Currently there just doesn´t exist a proper way to handle services in debian.
Read:
http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.debian.devel.bugs.general/764253/focus=159015

...but apprently although developers think update-rc.d isn´t for me i use it
still as it is the only periphery usable solution currently.
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Re: Debian was hacked: The Canterbury Distribution

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Alexander Reichle-Schmehl wrote the following on 01.04.2011 11:37


> It's neither a hack nor a joke.  See our announcement at
> http://www.debian.org/News/2011/20110401
> 
> 
> Best Regards,
>   Alexander, Press Office and Developer

http://www.debian.org/
http://www.gentoo.org/
http://www.archlinux.org/
http://www.opensuse.org/
http://grml.org/


now that is cool. congrats to all!
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Re: broken shell script with dash

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Ron Johnson wrote the following on 28.03.2011 21:48

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> Since that's 8/10 of 1% of 1% of a 640GB drive, I'm not impressed with 
> your argument.

Then ignore it. Thanks.

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Re: broken shell script with dash

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Andrew McGlashan wrote the following on 28.03.2011 19:05

> Hi,
> 
> Thilo Six wrote:
>> Michael P. Soulier wrote the following on 28.03.2011 16:10
>>
>>> cat /etc/aliases.{1,2} > /etc/aliases
>>
>> $ ./checkbashisms fooo.sh
>> possible bashism in fooo.sh line 2 (brace expansion):
>> cat /etc/aliases.{1,2} > /etc/aliases
>>
>> checkbashisms is in devscripts but i would not advocate to install the hole
>> beast. Just download the .deb and extract it.
> 
> Why, we are not running on zx80, trs-80, apple ][, vic20 or anything 
> like that these days; disk is cheap and a few extra MBs isn't going to 
> hurt anything today.
> 
> The WHOLE package is worth how many bytes?  The installed size for the 
> squeeze version is under 2MB, unless you need the ia64 version which is 
> closer to 4MB [1].  What's the big deal?  I don't think it's worth the 
> effort of extracting it from the .deb file.  Heck, I'm not even so sure 
> this email is worth the effort ;-)
> 
> [1] http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/devscripts

# aptitude install devscripts
The following NEW packages will be installed:
  autopoint{a} [0.18.1.1-3] (for devscripts)
  build-essential{a} [11.5] (for devscripts)
  debhelper{a} [8.0.0] (for devscripts)
  debian-keyring{a} [2010.12.29] (for devscripts)
  devscripts [2.10.69+squeeze1]  dpkg-dev{a} [1.15.8.10] (for devscripts)
  dput{a} [0.9.6.1] (for devscripts)  equivs{a} [2.0.8] (for devscripts)
  fakeroot{a} [1.14.4-1] (for devscripts)
  g++{a} [4:4.4.5-1] (for devscripts)
  g++-4.4{a} [4.4.5-8] (for devscripts)
  gettext{a} [0.18.1.1-3] (for devscripts)
  git{a} [1:1.7.2.5-1] (for etckeeper)
  html2text{a} [1.3.2a-15] (for devscripts)
  intltool-debian{a} [0.35.0+20060710.1] (for devscripts)
  libalgorithm-diff-perl{a} [1.19.02-2] (for devscripts)
  libalgorithm-diff-xs-perl{a} [0.04-1] (for devscripts)
  libalgorithm-merge-perl{a} [0.08-2] (for devscripts)
  libauthen-sasl-perl{a} [2.1500-1] (for devscripts)
  libclass-inspector-perl{a} [1.24-1] (for devscripts)
  libcommon-sense-perl{a} [3.3-1] (for devscripts)
  libconvert-binhex-perl{a} [1.119+pristine-3] (for devscripts)
  libdevel-symdump-perl{a} [2.08-3] (for devscripts)
  liberror-perl{a} [0.17-1] (for etckeeper)
  libfcgi-perl{a} [0.71-1] (for devscripts)
  libio-pty-perl{a} [1:1.08-1] (for devscripts)
  libio-stringy-perl{a} [2.110-4] (for devscripts)
  libipc-run-perl{a} [0.89-1] (for devscripts)
  libjson-perl{a} [2.21-1] (for devscripts)
  libjson-xs-perl{a} [2.290-1] (for devscripts)
  libmail-sendmail-perl{a} [0.79.16-1] (for devscripts)
  libmime-tools-perl{a} [5.428-1] (for devscripts)
  libossp-uuid-perl{a} [1.6.2-1] (for devscripts)
  libparse-debcontrol-perl{a} [2.005-2] (for devscripts)
  libpod-coverage-perl{a} [0.21-1] (for devscripts)
  libsoap-lite-perl{a} [0.712-2] (for devscripts)
  libstdc++6-4.4-dev{a} [4.4.5-8] (for devscripts)
  libsys-hostname-long-perl{a} [1.4-2] (for devscripts)
  libtask-weaken-perl{a} [1.03-1] (for devscripts)
  libterm-size-perl{a} [0.2-4+b1] (for devscripts)
  libtest-pod-perl{a} [1.42-1] (for devscripts)
  libtie-ixhash-perl{a} [1.21-2] (for devscripts)
  libunistring0{a} [0.9.3-3] (for devscripts)
  libyaml-syck-perl{a} [1.12-1] (for devscripts)
  lintian{a} [2.4.3] (for devscripts)  make{a} [3.81-8] (for devscripts)
  po-debconf{a} [1.0.16+nmu1] (for devscripts)
  strace{a} [4.5.20-2] (for devscripts)
0 packages upgraded, 48 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
Need to get 0 B/51,6 MB of archives. After unpacking 94,4 MB will be used.
Do you want to continue? [Y/n/?]


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Re: broken shell script with dash

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Michael P. Soulier wrote the following on 28.03.2011 16:10

> cat /etc/aliases.{1,2} > /etc/aliases

$ ./checkbashisms fooo.sh
possible bashism in fooo.sh line 2 (brace expansion):
cat /etc/aliases.{1,2} > /etc/aliases

checkbashisms is in devscripts but i would not advocate to install the hole
beast. Just download the .deb and extract it.

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Re: /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lQtGui

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Sthu Deus wrote the following on 28.02.2011 07:12

Hello

> Good day.
> 
> 
> I try to compile a program w/ the help of qmake and make and on make
> running stage I get:
> 
> $ make
> g++ -c -pipe -O2 -Wall -W -D_REENTRANT -DQT_NO_DEBUG -DQT_GUI_LIB
> -DQT_CORE_LIB -I/usr/share/qt4/mkspecs/linux-g++ -I.
> -I/usr/include/qt4/QtCore -I/usr/include/qt4/QtGui -I/usr/include/qt4
> -I. -I. -o 1.o 1.cpp g++ -Wl,-O1 -o atry 1.o-L/usr/lib -lQtGui
> -lQtCore -lpthread
> /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lQtGui
> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status make: *** [atry] Error 1
> 
> Googling have shouwn me that I can try replacing a lib and then it will
> magically be compiled, another approach is to install
> 
> freetype1-dev libgtk2.0-dev
> 
> but I have the first already installed and the second brings a lot of
> dependencies, and, because I use KDE environment I do not have a so
> many GTK packages - rather I would decline using of qmake/make and will
> continue using g++ directly.
> 
> So, may You know a better solution for my problem?
> 
> 
> Thank You for Your time.

$ apt-file search /usr/include/qt4/QtGui | grep '/usr/include/qt4/QtGui/QtGui'
libqt4-dev: /usr/include/qt4/QtGui/QtGui

So i think you need to
$ apt-get install libqt4-dev

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Re: shopt -s checkwinsize gone?

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Wayne Topa wrote the following on 24.02.2011 01:56

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> I haven't uses this in ages but IIRC shopt -s checkwinsize used to show 
> the display size.

$ echo $COLUMNS $LINES
90 42

> Thanks for checking & the reply.
> 
> Wayne


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Re: shopt -s checkwinsize gone?

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Thilo Six wrote the following on 24.02.2011 01:11

> Wayne Topa wrote the following on 23.02.2011 22:39
> 
>> Hi Debainites
>>
>> I just tried, on a testing/unstable partition, the above command
>> and it no longer works. It (shopt) is still shown in the bash 4.1-3
>> man page so I would expect it to work.
>>
>> I have both bash and bash -completion 1:1.3-1 installed.
>>
>> Have I missed something obvious, again?
>>
>> TIA
>>
>> WT
> 
> I am using squeeze but bash hasn´t been updated in unstable since and 
> therefore
> the versions are the same. Here it works:
> 
> $ shopt -u checkwinsize
> $ shopt | grep checkwin
> checkwinsizeoff
> $ shopt -s checkwinsize
> $ shopt | grep checkwin
> checkwinsizeon

PS. does
$ \shopt -s checkwinsize

work for you?


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Re: shopt -s checkwinsize gone?

[Thilo Six]

Wayne Topa wrote the following on 23.02.2011 22:39

> Hi Debainites
> 
> I just tried, on a testing/unstable partition, the above command
> and it no longer works. It (shopt) is still shown in the bash 4.1-3
> man page so I would expect it to work.
> 
> I have both bash and bash -completion 1:1.3-1 installed.
> 
> Have I missed something obvious, again?
> 
> TIA
> 
> WT

I am using squeeze but bash hasn´t been updated in unstable since and therefore
the versions are the same. Here it works:

$ shopt -u checkwinsize
$ shopt | grep checkwin
checkwinsizeoff
$ shopt -s checkwinsize
$ shopt | grep checkwin
checkwinsizeon



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SOLVED was (Re: squeeze-proposed-updates contains lenny packages)

[Thilo Six]

Thilo Six wrote the following on 11.02.2011 17:41

> Hello
> 
> i am wondering why squeeze-proposed-updates contains lenny packages like e.g.:
> 
> $ apt-cache policy linux-headers-2.6.26-2-amd64
> linux-headers-2.6.26-2-amd64:
>   Installed: (none)
>   Candidate: 2.6.26-26lenny2
>   Version table:
>  2.6.26-26lenny2 0
> 500 http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ squeeze-proposed-updates/main 
> amd64
> Packages
> 
> Is this a bug and should be reported or this intentionally?

Just for the record as of today it´s fixed again:

$ sed '{/Version/!d ; /lenny/!d}' Packages-lenny-proposed-updates | wc -l
233

$ sed '{/Version/!d ; /lenny/!d}' Packages-squeeze-proposed-updates | wc -l
0

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Re: squeeze-proposed-updates contains lenny packages

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> yes. I know the version numbers are lower than in squeeze, so harm is done to
   ^- no
sorry for the mistake

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Re: squeeze-proposed-updates contains lenny packages

[Thilo Six]

Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote the following on 12.02.2011 00:00


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> (aptitude search '~S~Asqueeze-proposed-updates!~Alenny-proposed-updates'), 
> maybe?  You might have to use different search terms, depending on what is in 
> those Release files.

I'll see how far i can get.

>> If i understand you correctly the debian workflow is to upload all
>> stable-updates to s-p-u and then the SRM moves those to o-p-u afterwards?
> 
> No, sorry.  My understanding is that updates and go directly into os-p-u or 
> s-p-u and then they can migrate to s-u (new) when tested, or oldstable or 
> stable at a point release.

yes, /me has thought/thinks so, too.

> I mean that having packages that were supposed to be for os-p-u in s-p-u will 
> not adversely affect users of s-p-u, since the version numbers will be lower 
> than the ones in stable. 

yes. I know the version numbers are lower than in squeeze, so harm is done to
running systems but a lot of bandwith and space on mirrors is wasted.

So back to question one:
Why are there a lot of packages in s-p-u that are clearly meant to be in o-p-u?

Should i ask on debian-release? I couldn't find a list for ftp-master in the
first place when i search earlier today.

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Re: squeeze-proposed-updates contains lenny packages

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Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote the following on 11.02.2011 22:55

Hello

--  --

>> Is this a bug and should be reported or this intentionally?
> 
> "lenny" in the version string is usually an indicator that the package was 
> built in the lenny environment instead of the default (unstable) environment.

That is why it made me wonder. This and given it was just today that a quite
large number of those packages appeared at once.

I've downloaded the Packages.bz2 from {squeeze,lenny}-proposed-updates and
compared those:

$ sed '{/Version/!d ; /lenny/!d}' Packages-squeeze-proposed-updates | wc -l
233

$ sed '{/Version/!d ; /lenny/!d}' Packages-lenny-proposed-updates | wc -l
231

> It doesn't immediately indicate that the package is inappropriate for 
> Squeeze.
> 
> In this case, it is probably an upload that was scheduled before the Lenny -> 
> Squeeze transition but finished after the transition.  At least one security 
> update has done this and is currently being repackaged for oldstable.  It's 
> possible it also happened with something that was targeting stable-proposed-
> updates.
> 
> This package won't cause any problems where it is at, so a bug is not 
> appropriate for it being present in squeeze-proposed-updates.  However, if 
> you think this should appear in lenny-proposed-updates and it isn't there, 
> you should make sure the maintainer is notified.

Now how to find out those 2 packages which are in squeeze-proposed-updates but
not in lenny-proposed-updates?

If i understand you correctly the debian workflow is to upload all
stable-updates to s-p-u and then the SRM moves those to o-p-u afterwards?
If so then i think there is no need to worry for me anymore because previously i
thought those two flavours were separated.

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squeeze-proposed-updates contains lenny packages

[Thilo Six]

Hello

i am wondering why squeeze-proposed-updates contains lenny packages like e.g.:

$ apt-cache policy linux-headers-2.6.26-2-amd64
linux-headers-2.6.26-2-amd64:
  Installed: (none)
  Candidate: 2.6.26-26lenny2
  Version table:
 2.6.26-26lenny2 0
500 http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ squeeze-proposed-updates/main amd64
Packages

Is this a bug and should be reported or this intentionally?
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Re: I have a boot error. concerning not finding acl.end

[Thilo Six]

Bill Nickels wrote the following on 23.10.2010 21:36

> The system continues to boot without errors and no indications of problems. 
> Linux debianhp 2.6.32-5-amd64. Squeeze.dmesg doesn't reference it

http://bugs.debian.org/600446

cheers

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Re: horrible mc colorscheme

[Thilo Six]

Ron Johnson wrote the following on 05.04.2010 22:26

> On 2010-04-05 14:29, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I just made the mistake of my life and upgraded mc from 
>> 2:4.6.2~git20080311-4 to 3:4.7.0.1-1.
>>
>> And the new color scheme is enough to cause instant blindness :-(
>> No kidding!
>>
>> How do I get back to what I had?
>> Anybody?
>>
> 
> Real Geeks do not use file managers.  bash (or zsh if you're an Uber 
> Real Geek) Is Sufficient.

So you're saying i am a über hacker (i prefer that acronym) but still
it's unix style to use the right tool for the right task.


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Re: horrible mc colorscheme

[Thilo Six]

Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote the following on 05.04.2010 21:29

> Hi,
> 
> I just made the mistake of my life and upgraded mc from 
> 2:4.6.2~git20080311-4 to 3:4.7.0.1-1.
> 
> And the new color scheme is enough to cause instant blindness :-(
> No kidding!
> 
> How do I get back to what I had?
> Anybody?
> 
> Hugo

I did not know the colortheme did change, at least it's not reported in the
changelogs.
But anyway you can change every color inside mc like:
$ man mc | less -p '\[Colors\]'

HTH

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Re: device name problem after update

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Paul E Condon wrote the following on 10.03.2010 19:17

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> I'm aware of an issue with naming devices in Squeeze, but you say
> Lenny.  Are you sure you are using Lenny, i.e. stable, as opposed to
> Squeeze, i.e. testing?

There is a libata transition coming down the road. But AFAIK that transition
has been only prepared in experimental until now and not been uploaded to
unstable.
Which issue are you aware of?

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Re: How to change LANG = en_US ?

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Florian Kulzer wrote the following on 06.02.2009 10:15

<- *snip* ->

> I have no idea if Gnome has a mechanism to override that
> once it starts.

That's posible with:

,[ $ grep LANG ~/.gnomerc ]

export LANG="en_US.UTF-8"
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Re: packages in a fresh install

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Thilo Six wrote the following on 28.01.2009 06:23

<- *snip* ->

> In the case above all packages are not marked as "auto"
^-non

sorry for the writing error

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Re: packages in a fresh install

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Ron Johnson wrote the following on 28.01.2009 05:42

<- *snip* ->

>>> # apt-get install \
>>>  $(cat /media/thumb/package.versions.txt | cut -d/ -f1)
>> Just a lillte heads up.
>> At least since lenny then you might be interessted in:


,[  man 8 apt-mark  ]

   When you request that a package is installed, and as a result
   other packages are installed to satisfy its dependencies, the
   dependencies are marked as being automatically installed.
`-

In the case above all packages are not marked as "auto" which means your apt
thinks all packages are manually installed.
In lenny even apt learned how to remove not needed dependies like aptitude
which is broken with the setup above.

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Re: packages in a fresh install

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Ron Johnson wrote the following on 27.01.2009 23:05

<- *snip* ->

> My machine:
> $ apt-show-versions > /media/thumb/package.versions.txt
> 
> Their machine, when in a minimal state:
> # apt-get install \
>  $(cat /media/thumb/package.versions.txt | cut -d/ -f1)

Just a lillte heads up.
At least since lenny then you might be interessted in:

$ man 8 apt-mark


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Re: virtualbox-ose problem: how to run "modprobe vboxdrv" automatically

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<- *snip* ->


> <---
> $ grep -C 3 vboxdrv etc/init.d/virtualbox-ose
> case "$1" in
> start)
> # try to insert module but do not fail if not possible
> if [ "$LOAD_VBOXDRV_MODULE" = 1 ]; then
> /sbin/modprobe -q vboxdrv || true
> fi
> start_network
> ;;
> stop)
> stop_network
> if [ "$LOAD_VBOXDRV_MODULE" = 1 ]; then
> /sbin/modprobe -qr vboxdrv || true
> fi
> ;;
> restart|reload)
> ->
> 
> Alon welchen Kernel benutzt du?

:%s:Alon welchen Kernel benutzt du?:Alon which kernerl are you using?:gc

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Re: virtualbox-ose problem: how to run "modprobe vboxdrv" automatically

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Rene Engelhard wrote the following on 15.12.2008 00:14

> Hi,
> 
> sal...@t2.technion.ac.il wrote:
>> i installed virtualbox following advices in previus treads. it's working ok, 
>> but
>> my problem is that modprobe don't seem to be presistant i.e i need to
>> run "modprobe vboxdrv" as root every time i restart. is there any way to
>> make it load the module automatically?
> 
> RTFM.
> 
> (/etc/modules)
> 
> Grüße/Regards,
> 
> René

RTFMen hat ergeben:


<---
$ grep -C 3 vboxdrv etc/init.d/virtualbox-ose
case "$1" in
start)
# try to insert module but do not fail if not possible
if [ "$LOAD_VBOXDRV_MODULE" = 1 ]; then
/sbin/modprobe -q vboxdrv || true
fi
start_network
;;
stop)
stop_network
if [ "$LOAD_VBOXDRV_MODULE" = 1 ]; then
/sbin/modprobe -qr vboxdrv || true
fi
;;
restart|reload)
->

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Re: [OT] bashism

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Dotan Cohen wrote the following on 07.12.2008 00:47

>> For maximum compatibility, that needs to be:
>> VAR=; export VAR
>>
> 
> Compatibility with what?

csh, mksh, busybox, dash, zsh, ash and probably more...

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Re: Synaptic. Can't find where it saves history

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Nigel Henry wrote the following on 01.12.2008 18:09

> Hi Folks.
> 
> Does anyone know where Synaptic saves it's history?

/root/.synaptic/log

<- *snip* ->


> Nigel.


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Re: grub with sata drives?

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Thomas H. George wrote the following on 03.11.2008 21:28

> I have two sata drives, sda and sdb with the root partition on sdb.  I
> installed grub on sdb and made the following entries in
> /boot/grub/menu.lst:
> 
> kopt=root=/dev/sdb1
> groot=(sdb,0)

<- *snip* ->

> Help, 
> Tom

$ cat /boot/grub/device.map
$ man grub-install

HTH

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Re: mail and web start in offline mode

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JoeHill wrote the following on 25.10.2008 22:14

> When I start either my mail client, Claws, or Firefox web browser, they are in
> offline mode.
> 
> I'm thinking this is not a setting in either of those apps, since I cannot get
> Firefox to change even by setting 'online' to 'true' in about:config, and I'm
> looking for where this setting might be in either a system or desktop config,
> but I cannot find anything that relates to this in networking properties or in
> the settings for XFCE.
> 
> Any ideas where I can look for something like this?

You probably have 'network-manager' installed.
e.g. if you have your connection setup via dhcp in '/etc/network/interfaces'
then the above described will happen (at least here it has).

If you don't rely on the functionality of 'network-manager' you can then just
purge it.

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Re: [OT perhaps] Any way to restore Iceweasel 2 behavior in the Navigation bar?

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Bob Cox wrote the following on 27.07.2008 11:49



> STRG (Steuerung) is German for CTRL (Control), AFAIK.  CTRL-H open the
> history pane anyway.

oops yes. I meant CTRL, sorry.


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Re: [OT perhaps] Any way to restore Iceweasel 2 behavior in the Navigation bar?

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Patrick Wiseman wrote the following on 27.07.2008 04:55



> I want to be able to click on that right down-arrow and get
> the list of recently-visited sites (without regard to tab) I used to
> get.  Is there any way to do that, or did some geek or other decide to
> change the user experience irrevocably for no good reason?
> 
> Patrick

STRG+H

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Re: 2.6.26 Kernel

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Celejar wrote the following on 25.07.2008 21:02



> I don't understand; .26 is not yet in Sid.

yes the whole thing is bit more complex. That's why i posted the direction to
gain a bit more authoritative information on that matter.

for your convenience:
http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.debian.devel.release/21808
http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.debian.devel.boot/100733


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Re: 2.6.26 Kernel

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Dale wrote the following on 25.07.2008 17:49

> Hi All,
> 
> Does anyone here have a idea what the eta is on Debian getting the
> 2.6.26 Kernel into unstable?
> 
> Regards
> Dale

There has been a discussion about that this week on -release.
Search for :"imminent 2.6.26 sid upload" and "2.6.25-2 testing sync" threads.

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Re: [OT] iw page scroll speed

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Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote the following on 25.07.2008 17:17

Hi Hugo



> mousewheel.withnokey.action = 2
> mousewheel.withnokey.numlines = -1
> mousewheel.withnokey.sysnumlines = false
> 
> And if I change them then the second top wheel does not work to go
> back/fore a page.

just found this which might be of interest to you:
http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20050821141856688

> what does:
> 
> mousewheel.withshiftkey.action = 1
> 
> do?
> 
> or did you mean:
> 
> mousewheel.withnokey.action = 1
> 
> 
> Hugo



there are 4 key combinations which can be defind:
withcontrolkey
withshiftkey
withaltkey
withnokey

with the 'action' flag you tell it what to do:
0 = scroll per line
1 = scroll half a page
2 = move fore and backward through history
3 = zoom text

now combine those the way you like it.

So 'mousewheel.withshiftkey.action = 1' means 'scroll half a page per
mousewheel when shilft is pressed simultaneously'.
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Re: [OT] iw page scroll speed

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Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote the following on 25.07.2008 01:30

> Hi,
> 
> I want to make the page scroll speed in iceweasel 3 with my mousewheel 
> more responsive. It's way too slow now. I sit twiddling the wheel and 
> nothing happens.
> 
> Browsing the forums brings no solution.
> 
> Anyone have a suggestion?
> 
> Hugo

mousewheel.withnokey.numlines = $LINES_TO_SCROLL
mousewheel.withnokey.sysnumlines = false

you might also want:
mousewheel.withshiftkey.action = 1
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Re: Cron jobs and root account locked on Lenny

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Alexander Fortin wrote the following on 24.07.2008 23:09



hi

want to comment on the bugreport be my guest:
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=492307

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Re: Cron jobs and root account locked on Lenny

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Andrei Popescu wrote the following on 24.07.2008 22:04


>> well here it does. Tested with both Debian lenny and Ubuntu hardy.
>> Which version do you use?
>  
> I'm not the OP.
> 
> Regards,
> Andrei

I think that doesn't matter in this regard. You have said your passwd doesn't
behave as mentioned in the manpage, which would be clearly a bug.
I said i can reproduce exactly the behaviour mentioned in manpage and
therefore seeking for an explanation of that divergence which resulted in the
question which version you use.

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Re: Cron jobs and root account locked on Lenny

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Andrei Popescu wrote the following on 24.07.2008 18:28




<---  man 1 passwd  -
-l, --lock
Lock the named account. This option disables an account by changing
the password to a value which matches no possible encrypted value,
and by setting the account expiry field to 1.
->


> Interesting, the manpage passwd(1) says that 'passwd -l' should also set 
> account expiry to 1, but it doesn't. Either passwd or the manpage is 
> wrong, so I think this should be reported against the package passwd.
> 
> Regards,
> Andrei

well here it does. Tested with both Debian lenny and Ubuntu hardy.
Which version do you use?

If you have a locked account without that expiry and use either of the above
just 'lock' that account again and then take a look at /etc/shadow.

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Re: Cron jobs and root account locked on Lenny

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Alexander Fortin wrote the following on 24.07.2008 10:03



> Yep, using usermod instead of passwd seems to work fine!
> So, to report a bug or not to? Which mailing list?

http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=389183

> Alex


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Re: Changing locale for X session

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Shachar Or wrote the following on 20.07.2008 21:02

> Hi!
> 
> Using etch. Using kdm.
> 
> I've found that I can put stuff in ~/.xsession. I put 'export 
> LC_ALL=he_IL.UTF-8' there. That made the xserver start and quit, putting me 
> back in kdm.

in kde you can use a shell script like (chmod 700):
<
$ cat ~/.kde/env/locale.sh
#!/bin/bash
export LANG="de_DE.UTF-8"
export LANGUAGE="de_DE:de"
->

gnome pendant:
<
$ cat ~/.gnomerc
export LANG="de_DE.UTF-8"
export LANGUAGE="de_DE:de"
#export LANGUAGE="en_GB:en"
->

i have asked because the xserver in lenny will ease all of this:
http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/x/xorg/xorg_7.3+14/changelog

<
  * Add support for $HOME/.xsessionrc. Closes: #411639
 This file, if present, will get sourced during the start of your X
 session. This allows you to set session-wide environment variables
 easily for things like locale information. Patch adapted from one by
 Yves-Alexis Perez. Thanks also to Holger Levsen and Osamu Aoki for
 advice.
 + Adds 40x11-common_xsessionrc to /etc/X11/Xsession.d
 + Document this in Xsession.5 manpage
 + Add a NEWS.Debian entry about it
 + Modifies /etc/X11/Xsession to declare the location of ~/.xsessionrc.
   Custom versions of Xsession (like gdm's) will need an update
->



> Good week!

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Re: Changing locale for X session

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Shachar Or wrote the following on 20.07.2008 17:47

> Hello!
> 
> How do I set the locale for a user to something other than the one set by 
> debconf in the locales package?
> 
> This should be the user's default in X sessions.
> 
> I was told that gdm has a feature for this but I'm using kdm.
> 
> Cheers!

kde or gnome?
etch or lenny?

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Re: Cannot install xmms on Debian testing

[Thilo Six]

Peet Grobler wrote the following on 13.07.2008 18:28



> apt-get install xmms



> Should I log a bug somewhere, or where can I check to see if it's 
> already reported?

Have a look at:
http://packages.qa.debian.org/x/xmms.html

and
http://packages.qa.debian.org/x/xmms/news/20080310T223933Z.html

> Thanks,


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Re: When will Security updates to Sarge stop?

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Siju George wrote the following on 24.03.2008 11:00

> Hi
> 
> When will Security updates to Sarge stop?
> I have some servers running it well?
> I wnat to upgrade to Etch but want to plan it accordingly.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> -Siju

http://lists.debian.org/debian-announce/2008/msg1.html

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Re: Window backgrounds

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Ron Johnson wrote the following on 24.03.2008 07:50



> I'd just copy the Sea Cork image from the Windows partition over to
> your home directory and then to set the desktop image:
> System->Preferences->"Control Center"->Appearance

heh funny
I think OP isn't refering to a 'Sea Cork' but to 'see a cork'. ;)

And i think OP want to change the nautilus background tile not the
desktop-background.

Since i haven't git nautilus installed right now, the following is from top
of my head:
open the 'home' window
click the second menu item and far down at the bottem there is 'change
appearens' or similar.
add the new custom background tile and drag 'n drop onto the 'home-window'
background.
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Re: configure internet through a router

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Alexander Rozhkov wrote the following on 21.03.2008 11:09



> #more /etc/dhclinet.conf
 ^^^ dhclient.conf




> Alex.

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Re: configure internet through a router

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Alexander Rozhkov wrote the following on 21.03.2008 11:09



> eth0  Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:0D:56:DC:30:0F



> send dhcp-client-identifier 1:00:0D:56:DC:30:0F;

seems like a typo in the MAC-Address?



> Alex.

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Re: i have a problem

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laura eznarriaga wrote the following on 09.03.2008 20:48

> Hi All,
> 
> I have just made a fresh install of ubuntu 7.10 on my computer.
> Wifi connection is working great through the Network Manager panel
> applet but I must start it manually each time I open a session.
> 
> I've checked System -> Preferences -> Session -> Startup Programs and
> "Network manager" is enabled.
> 
> Any idea about why it doesn't connect automatically ?
> 

dude, you are asking on the wrong list.

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Re: How to disable ipv6 in Lenny to avoid 1.0.0.0 error in name resolution for AAAA type queries

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Amogh Hooshdar wrote the following on 15.12.2007 14:10
> Thank you for response. But it did not help. I commented out all the
> ip6 lines in /etc/hosts and then even rebooted the box.
> 
> Now see a sample output for aptitude update:-
> 
> # aptitude update
> 0% [Connecting to ftp.us.debian.org (1.0.0.0)] [Connecting to 
> security.debian.or
> 
> I observed it with wireshark and the DNS queries and responses are like this:-
> 
> DNS Standard query  ftp.us.debian.org
> DNS Standard query response [Malformed packet]
> DNS Standrd query A ftp.us.debian.org
> DNS Standard query response A 1.0.0.0
> 
> ipv6 doesn't seem to have been disabled because the DNS  type
> queries are still going out. Please help me to disable ipv6
> completely.

are yo using KDE?

<  grep IP /etc/environment  

KDE_NO_IPV6=1
->

basically i do not understand how the machine can still do ipv6 when there is
no kernel modul loaded. ?

Have you got resolvconf or any local dns[proxy|cache] installed?

I just found there is also a list especial for ipv6:

http://lists.debian.org/debian-ipv6/

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Re: How to disable ipv6 in Lenny to avoid 1.0.0.0 error in name resolution for AAAA type queries

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Amogh Hooshdar wrote the following on 15.12.2007 07:58



> I changed the "alias net-pf-10 ipv6" line to the following two lines.
> 
> alias net-pf-10 off
> alias ipv6 off
> 
> After rebooting, I checked: lsmod | grep ipv6. Sure enough it is gone
> and the command gives nil output. But when I use bitchx or pidgin to
> connect to irc.freenode.net, I can still see DNS  irc.freenode.net
> type of queries.As a result our DNS server that doesn't understand
> ipv6 returns 1.0.0.0 as the address and the clients don't work.



> Please help me to disable ipv6 completely.

<---  /etc/hosts  ---

# The following lines are desirable for IPv6 capable hosts
#::1 ip6-localhost ip6-loopback
#fe00::0 ip6-localnet
#ff00::0 ip6-mcastprefix
#ff02::1 ip6-allnodes
#ff02::2 ip6-allrouters
#ff02::3 ip6-allhosts
->

for nameresolution /etc/hosts is read then /etc/resolv.conf .

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Re: lost sources.list file during atempted upgrade

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Dave wrote the following on 12.12.2007 18:51


> deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US stable/non-US main contrib 
> non-free

deprecated since sarge (oldstable) iirc

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Re: gmane suppresses the cc list

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Kamaraju S Kusumanchi wrote the following on 09.12.2007 08:01
> I am using gmane to read the Debian mailing list discussions. I am using
> knode 0.10.5 on unstable for this purpose. The problem I have is that
> whenever a message is sent to multiple lists I am not able to see the other
> groups on the CC list. Looking at the message, I could not even figure out
> if the message is CCed to other groups.This is problematic because
> sometimes the message is copied to one group but the discussion usually
> takes place in another group. Without the CC list it is tough to figure out
> the best way to reply to it and take part in the discussion...
> 
> Any ideas/suggestions overcoming this problem?
> 
> thanks
> raju

I am reading through gmane with Thunderbird and i am pretty sure gmane
doens´t supress the CC(headers). instead i think you need to tell knode to
show them.
But sorry i haven´t any experience with knode so can´t help with that.

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Re: (Partly solved)Re: why does the shell show commands foolishly when I press UP key?

[Thilo Six]

Andrei Popescu wrote the following on 12.11.2007 19:26

<<-snip->>

> I have seen this in the past when running mc, but not latelly (maybe the 
> bug was fixed in unstable?).
> 
> Regards,
> Andrei

you are right it´s seems to be fixed now - good to know.

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Re: (Partly solved)Re: why does the shell show commands foolishly when I press UP key?

[Thilo Six]

Pál Csányi wrote the following on 10.11.2007 11:12
> I use
> GNU bash, version 3.1.17(1)-release (i486-pc-linux-gnu)
> in Debian Etch and I get this when I use history:
> 
> cd "`echo -e '\057'`"
> 
> What is this and how can I get rid of it?

i had problem in past.
I solved for me with:

alias mc='HISTFILE=$HOME/.mc/mc_history mc'

That way i do not pollute my bash_history with mc noise, without losing the
mc history feature.

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Re: Newsgroup

[Thilo Six]

Darko wrote the following on 10.11.2007 18:02

> I'snt better to convince some one from debian.org to make news grop 
> debian.user on server debian.public.org rather then this overcapacity's 
> mailing list

you mean s.th. like:
http://news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.debian.user ?


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Re: console-setup package

[Thilo Six]

Michael Biebl wrote the following on 05.10.2007 18:17

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> I noticed that this happpened since the upgrade of xserver-xorg.
> Can you confirm that?

I can´t confirm it is because of xserver-xorg since there were to much
updates at that time here.
But i can confirm this bug and allready subscribed to it.


> Cheers,
> Michael

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