Re: [BackupPC-users] Put pool on an nfs mounted Solaris zfs share
On Thu, 17 Nov 2011, Harry Putnam wrote:
On debian many of the things that would be done by user during an
install from sources are done for you. I ended up with the main files
at /var/lib/backuppc. which contains a whole pile of some kind of data
files. I see them in places like cpool/0/0/0.
pwd
/var/lib/backuppc
ls
cpool log pc pool trash
ls cpool/0/0/0
00082b8bf118ab8238eab15debddfdd7 000f017d12997dfc67d8e55eab8
Debian's default conf file for demonstration backs up only /etc on
localhost, with the idea that you're meant to change it. But it works
like that out of the box as soon as you apt-get install backuppc, even if
you haven't configured anything at all yet.
Check perhaps
$Conf{RsyncShareName} in /etc/backuppc/config.pl
'course, best to do this via the web interface, so it picks the right
version of that variable for whatever server you're looking at.
However, on zfs, it is done transparently and is not really a big
resource user.
Any thoughts on this subject would be very welcome.
Yeah, if I had a ZFS filesystem (or btrfs), I would do much the same
(having not tried it yet, I don't know that I'd *succeed*). backuppc is
really quite slow (3MB/s on average on my machines) at backing up a
machine or reconstrucing a given path from a tall tree of incrementals.
Not needing to do incrementals (see the patches on this list for rsync
usage) might be a big win. I'm sure ZFS is a little quicker than that
given that it's not done in perl.
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Re: [OT] How to subscribe to this list but disasble receiving the mail?
Adam Funk [EMAIL PROTECTED] said on Mon, 27 Mar 2006 20:15:01 +0100: Hello Adam! The stapler is behind you! On 2006-03-25, S. Keeling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I asked this of the list masters. They say just unsubscribe. The first time you post to linux.debian.user, you should get an email from lists.bofh.it. When you answer that email you should be able to post via the newsgroup. I have been through that hoop. I'm subscribed to lists.bofh.it, yet posts to l.d.* never make it to the list. They're silently dropped. Mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] have so far been ignored. I heard something about you need to have a valid address for bofh.it to propogate. That or needing to subscribe with a valid address somewhere on bofh.it? Dunno, I ended up doing a completely different solution, since debian lists are open to anyone to post. I don't get it. I never had any trouble with this (but I don't have the link any more.) This one may (?) get through because it's being mailed to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Posts to l.d.* don't get through. I'm sure this is really annoying. (I prefer usenet to mailing lists too.) Maybe you could try the gmane.linux.debian.user group on gmane.org? Want my script? I notice you are using slrn, what I do to reply is press ESC-1-F, enter a bogus address a, then my script modifies the headers as appropriate before forking the editor. It will cost you $20, same as in town. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Poster to this lists email address not obfuscated? If so it makes this list a heaven for spam bots...:-(
Marc Shapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] said on Fri, 17 Mar 2006 22:40:14 -0800: Hex Star wrote: Hi, I've noticed that in the archive of this list, the posts I made publicly contain my full email address instead of it being obfuscated like on other lists (e.g. they change email addresses in the archive to something like user[at]domain[dot]com or user domain com, etc) it's fully displayed in its original format making it perfect for being picked up by spam bots...shouldn't the emai addresses in the debian archives for all the lists be obfuscated so that spam bots can't pick up the email addresses? I for one already have enough spam...:-/ :-( Yes, the e-mail addresses in the archives are unobfuscated, and, yes, the spam-bots do harvest there. I will leave it to others to explain the rationale behind this methodology. Because obfuscating someone elses text is a stupid braindead idea that only google could come up with. Do you know how hard it is to make use of xorg.conf files when google has helpfully replaced all the modelines with garbage, because a modeline does the henious crime of including the @ symbol? If you don't want your email address being used in the wild, don't use it in the wild. Obfuscate it yourself. Don't rely on everyone that may keep a public archive of a public list, obfuscating your address for you. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Proposed change for subscriptions...
Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] said on Tue, 14 Mar 2006 11:16:45 -0800: On Saturday 11 March 2006 01:00, Mike McCarty wrote: As an example, I'd like to propose that I be able to subscribe as a *poster* as [EMAIL PROTECTED], while receiving the posts as [EMAIL PROTECTED], which is my real e-mail address. No e-mail would be sent to the alias, which would be used only to permit posting, but would not be subscribed as a recipient. Email address munging is considered harmful. It serves only to hinder legitimate replies to your email, and utterly ignores the very problem it supposedly resolves. Debian's lists are also open to all posters and acccessable via gmane, etc. and those readers do like to post, too. Not to mention people replying to list archives. http://www.interhack.net/pubs/munging-harmful/ Unfortunately, that article was written in 1998, and ignores the reality of the current situation. That is, by having the accounts from which the spam originates canceled quickly Given that almost every peice of spam comes from a different zombie, of which there are orders of magnitudes more zombies than there were ever open relays, and their IPs keep on changing because of dynamic IPs, and then combine this with the majority of abuse departments at ISPs with originating spam not caring about abuse reports, or even having a working abuse@ email address. Zombie machines just aren't being disconnected at the rate they appear. Get microsoft to fix their bugs (hah!), and the zombie problem will go away, and spam will become managable again. I like the argument given in Additional Hassle for You. The author hasn't heard of automation, has he? And then The end result is that all of the effort you put in to hiding your address goes to waste. -- worked for me for years. Mind you, my munging is pretty unusual for the time being. I think the spammers' two brain cells probably realise that people who munge their addresses are never going to buy from them anyway. The only spammers who would be interested in demunging addresses are the authors of email address CDs, so they can advertise 16,000,001 ADDRESSES!11!eleven instead of 16,000,000... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Proposed change for subscriptions...
Steve Lamb [EMAIL PROTECTED] said on Sun, 12 Mar 2006 08:46:38 -0800: Michael Marsh wrote: Because subscribing to the list *is* a barrier, and *will* prevent a good number of people from asking their questions. No, it isn't. It's called being responsible. Open posting is *good*. Yes, I get spam because of it, These two statements are contrary. Open posting is *BAD*. but most of that is caught by Gmail's spam filter. Irrelevant. It makes the list a ready-made spam vector. Unlike you I get a good portion of my spam through the list. What makes it so incidious is that I have to search out that spam so as not to poison my filters. Considering I don't find it a woefully heavy burden to scan headers and delete subjects that aren't relevant to me (oh, the horror, about 5m a *day* on this oh so busy list) It makes it harder on me and weakens my own defense against spam. Whereas, if I search for my email address on google, I find the single most common occurence is on debian mail list archives held by various private parties (there'll never be anything I can do about private archives). Spammers spiders come along, pick up my email address, and this explains why I get so much more spam that everyone else from my centre (so same form of email address, and we've had the address for the same length of time). When I found this out several years ago, I investigated other methods of posting to debian lists. Fortunately, I found that it was gatewayed to linux.debian.*. Now, it turns out that discussion groups work best on something that was designed for discussion groups, so USENET is a great place to read debian lists instead of email. But furthermore, with the application of a simple script, I can post using any address I want as the From address. Since I still want to get private responses, but don't want to get endless spam to my address for everymore, I use the version I display above: [EMAIL PROTECTED]. For a limited time, emails to the address end up in my INBOX. Thereafter, they end up in my spam folder, but nicely colour coded, so when weeding through, its a bit easier to find stuff that looks like it may not be spam. Now, try doing that when you have to subscribe to post. My single biggest issue with the debian mailing lists are the archives storing my email address, and me not being able to set my own email address on a temporary basis. Now, the solution is not to stop everyone from private mirroring (because you can't enforce this), nor is it to do the braindead replacement you see in so many places such as google spit groups: [EMAIL PROTECTED] gets replaced with [EMAIL PROTECTED], or redacted or whatever, since that attacks useful items like X modelines. It's letting people post using an address that they may not necessarily be able to actually read, and thereby not be able to answer the challenge response subscription. If I had to subscribe with a temporary address each time my temporary address changed, then I wouldn't bother. I'd use it as an excuse to finally change from debian to openBSD. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Proposed change for subscriptions...
Hal Vaughan [EMAIL PROTECTED] said on Sun, 12 Mar 2006 14:31:39 -0500: In this case, there could be other solutions. For example, where do people get the list address? If they find it on Debian web pages, it would be possible to set up a form with a CGI script to allow submitting an e-mail without being a subscriber and the CGI script could include a spam filter. It would also be possible to add to the mail list manager a routine that detects e-mail from non-subscribers. I know challenge-response tactics aren't always popular, but something like that could be set up so a newbie can ask a question without joining and crap is still filtered. It seems to me a challenge-response request is a fair price to pay if one wants help but does not want to subscribe. Or a general spam filter could be used so email from non subscribers is at least checked for valid respond to addresses and other anomalies. That all sounds rather unnecessary. Why not just run a spam filter on the input to the list like so many other lists do? Anything detected as spam goes to a (voluntary) moderator team to be approved/declined. Open list, no challenge response each time the email address of the sender changes, and there's not *that* much spam for a moderator team to deal with. And all this discussion is strange anyway. I just looked through the only debian list I subscribe to -- debian-laptop. It ends up in a single folder in my mail -- anything that has a debian list header attached to it ends up there, so any spam addressed to debian-laptop, as opposed to me personally, goes through there. And I get 4 easily detected spam/erroneous subscribe messages in one page of headers. Since I go through the list with basically my hand on the delete key as I watch the subject lines scroll by anyway, that causes me not very much noticable pain. Are people getting their debian email ending up direct in their inbox instead of filtering to other folders? That's kindof silly, if so. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Proposed change for subscriptions...
Steve Lamb [EMAIL PROTECTED] said on Sun, 12 Mar 2006 08:54:25 -0800: Anand Kumria wrote: It is because the listmasters, of which I am one, Good, finally a name to go with this idiocy. Anand Kumria, clueless list manager. That's a good way to get your bogus opinions across. The other good thing about usenet, is it has nice easy to implement killfiles. Welcome. Steve: a suggestion. Not everyone works exactly the same way as you. Perhaps have some flexibility. And perhaps even change the way *you* work if other people aren't going to change to suit you. If you haven't yet worked out how to implement a filter so debian mail doesn't end up in your inbox, go and investigate procmail. Small quantities of spam to the list then becomes a bit of a non-issue. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Proposed change for subscriptions...
Steve Lamb [EMAIL PROTECTED] said on Sun, 12 Mar 2006 13:56:25 -0800 (PST): Tim Connors said: And I get 4 easily detected spam/erroneous subscribe messages in one page of headers. Since I go through the list with basically my hand on the delete key as I watch the subject lines scroll by anyway, that causes me not very much noticable pain. From my side it does cause problems. Spam gets through, people reply to it or the AOL junk and now I'm left with ok, which is legit and which isn't? I could delete it but now I've also got to retrain 2 bayes DBs. Spamassassin's and Thunderbird's. Even worse is the spam that gets by d.o's spam filters, my SA setup and TBird's bayes filters. I've gotta notice it and retrain that. It is that last catagory which would be eliminated by the simple control of a subscription. I agree, if you're just concerned with the black and white delete or not hey, not that big of a problem. But with active efforts to poison bayesian filters going on a lot of people aren't finding it just that simple. I think it would would work much easier for you to direct all email with debian list headers to not go through your filters at all. That way your filters don't get poisoned. Then you can go back to delete-or-not? The quantities of spam you get through the debian lists is likely to be much much smaller than your regular spam, and if it ends up in your list folder without being filtered, then it doens't cause much of a problem there. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT]
Adam Porter [EMAIL PROTECTED] said on Thu, 09 Mar 2006 01:55:43 -0600: Sorry, I don't know anything about your problem, but you might get more help with a more descriptive subject line. And you, conversely, may want to reply with context :) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: gtk file picker and firefox
kamaraju kusumanchi [EMAIL PROTECTED] said on Tue, 21 Feb 2006 15:48:04 -0500: Now for some reason, firefox remembers only one application per file extension. For example, let's say, it knows to open pdf files in xpdf. Now if I want to change it to acroread, I have to go through the filepicker dialog, which involves going through /usr/bin directory. The moment you enter /usr/bin, it tries to load all the files in the /usr/bin directory and the machine is not responsive for quite a bit of time (say 30 seconds). This kind of thing does not happen in konqueror where it can remember multiple applications for the same file extension. I think it pretty impressive that the konqueror guys got it right. Odd. I have the opposite scenario. I have selected multiple apps in firefox (dunno whether I did it via ~/.mailcap and ~/.mime.types, or via something within firefox -- a cursory search doesn't tell me how I did it), and I've got a choice of open with (with the apps I have preselected, or a filepicker to pick another app), or save to disk. Now, I have also gotten konq to give me multiple apps for differnt filetypes (and gee, wasn't that a tedious process? I hate GUIs that can't have config files written by hand), yet it pops up a redundant dialog box that asks me again what to run, but doesn't give me the choice of what to run (there's a button, clicking it selects the app written on the button face, but nothing I have done yet lets me change what the button says), picking only the first choice. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: firefox memory leak
L.V.Gandhi [EMAIL PROTECTED] said on Mon, 20 Feb 2006 23:33:01 +: I am running sarge with backports using firefox. I found many times system hanging. I am now only running firefox and konsole. In the last 30 mins, free gives the following results at various points of time sequentially as below. first one when I started machine. [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ free total used free sharedbuffers cached Mem:515736 315068 200668 0 14004 151484 -/+ buffers/cache: 149580 366156 Swap: 506008 0 506008 ... [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ free total used free sharedbuffers cached Mem:515736 509720 6016 0 2932 38076 -/+ buffers/cache: 468712 47024 Swap: 506008 397072 108936 Yep, firefox is a terribly written peice of crap. But good luck anyone being able to fix the horribly broken code it is based on (or caring that much -- mozilla developers seem to assume that everyone just loves upgrading every 6 months). I think I might have just migrated to opera. Not Free, but adequate. A browser doesn't /need/ to lose track of 500MB in several days operation to be any good. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: binary output from ls
Oliver Lupton [EMAIL PROTECTED] said on Wed, 15 Feb 2006 16:20:55 +: --Sig_vfNrq=Y2HfpoNPqYUWCRL9. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, 15 Feb 2006 17:09:30 +0100 Ivan Glushkov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, if I issue ls . filelist.txt as user I get: a binary file like: =20 ESC[0mESC[0mAcro3nKTzaESC[0m ESC[0mfilelist.logESC[0m ... ESC[m ... =20 if I do that like root, I get the list of files as expected. What is the difference? Both root and the user are using the same shell. =20 Cheers, Ivan I believe you're just seeing the colour codes for ls's beautiful output. Passing --color=3Dnever to ls should fix it. user's apparently have colours= by default and root doesn't (it's an alias in one of the shell init script= s), at least that's how it is here. It /should/ be aliased to --color=auto: /etc/skel/.bashrc:alias ls='ls --color=auto' This is so that ls can detect whethr you are piping to a file or to the terminal. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OpenGL direct rendering
cga [EMAIL PROTECTED] said on Sun, 12 Feb 2006 14:59:39 -0500: Brent Bailey wrote: ATI Technologies, Inc. 3D Rage Pro AGP 1X/2X I seem to have two xservers on my system (apt-cache showpkg xserver-XFree86): 6.8.2.dfsg.1-11 4.3.0.dfsg.1-14sarge1 dunno about the current xorg but afaik the drivers for old ati cards in xfree86 do not support dri. Sure it could: ATI Technologies Inc Rage Mobility M3 AGP 2x (rev 02) DRI was supported by the r128 driver in all the XFree 4.3 series I used. Hell, it worked better than xorg6.9 -- I could have both XVideo and DRI enabled at the same time, and I didn't get XV allocation errors, and X supported me providing my own modelines, instead of being limited to what the internal LCD could display. Sigh. Progress, eh? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: openMosix vs openSSI
Marcelo Chiapparini [EMAIL PROTECTED] said on Mon, 06 Feb 2006 11:55:54 -0200: Hi! I would like to know how compares openMosix and openSSI. Apparently both of them do the (more or less) same thing inside a cluster... I had a very brief play with openmosix, but not openSSI, but my understanding is that openmosix will shunt your jobs onto different CPUs in the cluster. If they have differing amounts of memory, it'll also attempt to pick the machine with the appropriate amount of memory -- if your job needs 1GB, and only one machine has 1GB virtual memory, then it'll go there. Of course, there are race conditions in that, if openmosix is too slow to shunt the job around. One job on one node can't see any ram from any other machine. openssi, AFAIK, just combines all the ram from all the machines into one memory image -- single system image. I don't think it can schedule jobs onto one node or another and gives you N CPUs, but I can be very much wrong on this. So, do you want much RAM or many CPUs? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Can't get 1153x864 resolution with 865 video and i810 driver
J. Van Lierde [EMAIL PROTECTED] said on Sat, 04 Feb 2006 09:40:02 -0500: My problem is that I cannot get xorg to give me 1152x864 resolution. Xorg.0.log says there is no mode of this name. I know the hardware can do this because Windows doesn't have a problem with this. Sounds like my bug: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=348873.html This was a regression for me, and hasn't been acknowleged yet... Try downgrading to 6.8.2 in testing. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: different resolution on notebook LCD and VGA
Digby Tarvin [EMAIL PROTECTED] said on Tue, 31 Jan 2006 10:35:45 +: Unless your notebook actually has two display adapters built in, I very much doubt that you can do what you describe. The only options I have seen are a. image displayed on LCD only b. higher resolution image displayed on VGA only c. simultaneous display on LCD and VGA at internal LCD resolution Were you expecting to see the same or different things on the internal and external display? If the same, how were you thinking the lower resolution LCD would display what is on the higher res screen? If you were expecting to have different images on the internal and external displays, then that would qualify as a dual head display - which would require specialised hardware which I havn't seen in a notebook. The 5 year old Inspiron 4000 with a r128 can do dualhead under windows. I beleive the displays (internal and external) can talk differnt resolutions too. Doesn't work with xinerama under X. But then again, I never even got xinerama working on my desktop with a second PCI videocard. Most newer laptops can do it under windows. Although at almost every talk, someone finds out that accelaration doesn't work on the second display, even when the external display is simply mirroring the LCD. So someone goes to play a movie, and is stunned into silence when they discover that the movie that is playing beautifully on the LCD is not being displayed at all on the projector :) When I tell them to flick the LCD/external button a few times until the internal display is off, it works. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Firefox 1.5: middle-clicking URLs doesn't work now.
Adam Funk [EMAIL PROTECTED] said on Sun, 29 Jan 2006 20:25:34 GMT: On 2006-01-29, Noah Dain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: type: about:config in the url input field and hit enter. in the filter field, type middle ... Not quite but very close! I had to set middlemouse.contentLoadURL to true -- which I wouldn't have found without your suggestion. And if you find that firefox forgets your setting when you restart it, you may find you need to go to the preferences window, change something, change it back, and then click close. At least last time I checked, changing anything in about:config forgot to save the changes to the preferences file, so you had to force it to save the settings via doing something in the preferences dialog. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: xterm not dealing with long lines of typing correctly
Daniel B. [EMAIL PROTECTED] said on Fri, 27 Jan 2006 11:59:30 -0500: Richard Lyons wrote: On Wednesday, 25 January 2006 at 10:19:52 -0600, Andrew Nelson wrote: Hello all, Recently I've noticed my xterm's doesn't seem to be handling line wrapping of commands correctly. Instead of wrapping to a new line the characters start wrapping back on the current line. I've noticed this intermittently over a long time. I note that resizing the window -- enlarging it by a minute amount -- seems to overcome the problem when it occurs. Yeah, that sounds like a bash problem. In some cases, if I re-size a window while a foreground command is executing, then if I edit a command line that's long enough to wrap, bash doesn't seem to know about the new window size (it wraps wrong). shopt -s checkwinsize Why it's not default in bash, I wouldn't have a clue... But this option appears to be set by default in debian in /etc/bash.bashrc, anyway... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: xorg resolution problem in testing with
J. Van Lierde [EMAIL PROTECTED] said on Sat, 21 Jan 2006 22:45:54 -0500: Hi, I've got Debian testing running xserver-xorg on a system running the Intel 82865 graphics controller. Dunno anything about this graphics card, but if this is a laptop, does the symptoms match up with anything in bug 348873? X recently started ignoring my own modelines. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: how to convert 100 bmp files to jpeg?
Star King of the Grape Trees [EMAIL PROTECTED] said on Sun, 15 Jan 2006 16:05:42 +1100: Serena Cantor wrote: I 100 bmp files. I installed gimp and imagemagik, but can't find the way to convert 100 bmp files to jpeg in batch fashion. Do you know the command? Thanks! I can't be bothered to consult the man page, but it will be something like: for $f in `ls *.bmp`; do convert $f --to-jpeg; done See man convert for the precise arguments. If the files are organized in directories, you may need to use 'find' instead of just 'ls'. See man find. Why on earth would you want to put ls in backticks? I wonder who originated this rather redundant and fragile (what happens when a filename has any form of whitespace?) construct? Try googling for useless use of cat awards for another redundant construct that people love to use. for f in *.bmp ; do convert $f --to-jpeg ; done But even better than the above is just: mogrify -format jpg *.bmp You can probably also (untested): convert --to-jpeg *.bmp -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: how to convert 100 bmp files to jpeg?
Star King of the Grape Trees [EMAIL PROTECTED] said on Mon, 16 Jan 2006 10:47:03 +1100: Ron Johnson wrote: On Mon, 2006-01-16 at 08:40 +1100, Tim Connors wrote: snip Why on earth would you want to put ls in backticks? I wonder who originated this rather redundant and fragile (what happens when a filename has any form of whitespace?) construct? That would be me. Nope -- heaps of people have done this before you. Did you pick this technique up from someone else? It'd be nice if the technique would kindly stop propogating :) If you're dealing with so many files that the bash glob buffer fills up, `ls *.bmp` can work around that. I don't think there is a fixed limit glob buffer. Are you sure you are not confusing this with the amount of space bash is allowed to allocate for arguments for spawned commands -- a kernel limit? So saying: for a in * ; do blah $a done has no limit, whereas blah2 * does have a limit (of about 20K characters, IIRC). (hmmm, maybe more on the 2.6 kernel -- I can't seem to generate that dreaded Argument list too long message except by doing something stupid like: ls -lA /var/spool/news/message.id/*/* ) And imho, much easier than dealing with xargs and find -exec whatnot ; Also, if spaces are a problem, fancy quotes can deal with that: for f in `ls *.bmp`; do echo $f; done -- Note I have NOT tested this. Nope. #mkdir tmp #cd tmp #for i in `seq 1 1` ; do touch blah $i ; done #for f in `ls *`; do ls -lA $f; done ls: blah: No such file or directory ls: 1: No such file or directory ls: blah: No such file or directory ls: 10: No such file or directory ls: blah: No such file or directory ls: 100: No such file or directory ls: blah: No such file or directory ls: 1000: No such file or directory ls: blah: No such file or directory Because each space output by the backticks causes the for loop to plop the next bit into a new loop. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: how to convert 100 bmp files to jpeg?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said on Sun, 15 Jan 2006 21:26:16 -0500: On Mon, Jan 16, 2006 at 12:10:21PM +1100, Tim Connors wrote: I don't think there is a fixed limit glob buffer. Are you sure you are not confusing this with the amount of space bash is allowed to allocate for arguments for spawned commands -- a kernel limit? If there's a fixed limit glob buffer that makes it impossible to use a command like onions *.bmp I don't see how saying onions `ls *.bmp` could possibly help. Wouldn't the nested command It doesn't. But a for loop is a different beast anyway (this is what the OP was doing). For loops aren't done by passing arguments to commands; it's all done within the shell, which doesn't have any such limits (well, other than the 2-3GB limit you get regarding memory limits in 32 bit kernels, but I can't see anyone passing 2GB to a subcommand via the commandline :) ls *.bmp just run afoul of the same boffer limit? Yep. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
DRI and XV gone to the doghouse -- inspiron4000
G'day all,
I have an Dull Inspiron 4000, which always used to have working DRI and XV
under kernel 2.4 and XFree86 4.x. The video card is a Rage 128:
lspci -vvv
...
:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Rage
Mobility M3 AGP 2x (rev 02) (prog-if 00 [VGA])
Subsystem: Dell: Unknown device 00b0
Control: I/O+ Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr-
Stepping+ SERR- FastB2B-
Status: Cap+ 66MHz+ UDF- FastB2B+ ParErr- DEVSEL=medium TAbort-
TAbort- MAbort- SERR- PERR-
Latency: 32 (2000ns min), Cache Line Size: 0x08 (32 bytes)
Interrupt: pin A routed to IRQ 11
Region 0: Memory at f800 (32-bit, prefetchable) [size=64M]
Region 1: I/O ports at ec00 [size=256]
Region 2: Memory at fdffc000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=16K]
Capabilities: [50] AGP version 2.0
Status: RQ=32 Iso- ArqSz=0 Cal=0 SBA+ ITACoh- GART64- HTrans-
64bit- FW- AGP3- Rate=x1,x2
Command: RQ=1 ArqSz=0 Cal=0 SBA+ AGP- GART64- 64bit- FW-
Rate=none
Capabilities: [5c] Power Management version 2
Flags: PMEClk- DSI- D1+ D2+ AuxCurrent=0mA
PME(D0-,D1-,D2-,D3hot-,D3cold-)
Status: D0 PME-Enable- DSel=0 DScale=0 PME-
...
Note the unknown device. I don't recall having seen that before, when
things were working.
lsmod
...
intel_agp 23996 1
r128 48512 1
drm67540 2 r128
agpgart35464 2 intel_agp,drm
...
Now, after upgrading, glxinfo and glxgears segfault:
strace glxgears
...
sigreturn() = ? (mask now [])
rt_sigaction(SIGILL, {SIG_DFL}, NULL, 8) = 0
rt_sigaction(SIGFPE, {SIG_DFL}, NULL, 8) = 0
brk(0x8093000) = 0x8093000
open(/etc/drirc, O_RDONLY)= -1 ENOENT (No such file or
directory)
open(/home/tconnors/.drirc, O_RDONLY) = 6
read(6, driconf\ndevice screen=\0\..., 4096) = 234
read(6, , 4096) = 0
close(6)= 0
--- SIGSEGV (Segmentation fault) @ 0 (0) ---
+++ killed by SIGSEGV +++
(segfaults also when there is no /home/tconnors/.drirc and /etc/drirc
where it falls back to defaults, so the segfault is most likely
unrelated to these config settings)
mplayer -vo xv most of the time (for all but the smallest movies?)
complains about insufficient X resources:
mplayer foo.avi
...
Movie-Aspect is 1.78:1 - prescaling to correct movie aspect.
VO: [xv] 640x360 = 640x360 Planar YV12
Unicode charmap not available for this font. Very bad!?% ??,?% 0 0
subtitle font: prepare_charset failed.
Unicode charmap not available for this font. Very bad!?% ??,?% 0 0
subtitle font: prepare_charset failed.
X11 error: BadAlloc (insufficient resources for operation)
MPlayer interrupted by signal 6 in module: vo_check_events
...
Now, Most things appear to load in the Xorg.0.log file, with one
major exception:
...
(--) PCI:*(1:0:0) ATI Technologies Inc Rage Mobility M3 AGP 2x rev 2, Mem @
0xf800/26, 0xfdffc000/14, I/O @ 0xec00/8
...
(WW) Ignoring request to load module GLcore
...
(II) Loading extension XVideo
...
(II) LoadModule: glx
(II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libglx.a
(II) Module glx: vendor=X.Org Foundation
compiled for 6.8.2, module version = 1.0.0
ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 0.2
(II) Loading sub module GLcore
(II) LoadModule: GLcore
(II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libGLcore.a
Skipping /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libGLcore.a:m_debug_clip.o: No
symbols found
Skipping /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libGLcore.a:m_debug_norm.o: No
symbols found
Skipping /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libGLcore.a:m_debug_xform.o: No
symbols found
(II) Module GLcore: vendor=X.Org Foundation
compiled for 6.8.2, module version = 1.0.0
ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 0.2
(II) Loading extension GLX
(II) LoadModule: dri
(II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libdri.a
(II) Module dri: vendor=X.Org Foundation
compiled for 6.8.2, module version = 1.0.0
ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 0.2
(II) Loading sub module drm
(II) LoadModule: drm
(II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/linux/libdrm.a
(II) Module drm: vendor=X.Org Foundation
compiled for 6.8.2, module version = 1.0.0
ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 0.2
(II) Loading extension XFree86-DRI
...
(II) LoadModule: r128
(II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/r128_drv.o
(II) Module r128: vendor=X.Org Foundation
compiled for 6.8.2, module version = 4.0.1
Module class: X.Org Video Driver
ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 0.7
(II) LoadModule: ati
(II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/ati_drv.o
(II) Module ati: vendor=X.Org Foundation
compiled for 6.8.2, module version = 6.5.6
Module
modelines in new Xorg: (Was Re: DRI and XV gone to the doghouse -- inspiron4000)
David E. Fox [EMAIL PROTECTED] said on Tue, 10 Jan 2006 21:12:28 -0800: On Mon, 9 Jan 2006 22:49:18 +1100 (EST) Tim Connors [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: G'day all, I have an Dull Inspiron 4000, which always used to have working DRI and XV under kernel 2.4 and XFree86 4.x. The video card is a Rage 128: snipping some of this - as I have etch running xorg 6.8 on a Matrox Millenium AGP - yet I have some of the same problems as you :(. Now, after upgrading, glxinfo and glxgears segfault: glxgears doesn't segfault, but some other gl using progs (example stellarium) do - because of some glx visuals coming back not supported and/or slow in glxinfo. OK, so I changed two things. I modprobed agpgart and then r128 manually, instead of relying on them being in that order in /etc/modules.conf. The second thing I did, was to `aptitude install xlibmesa-gl xlibmesa-dri xlibmesa-glu xlibmesa3 xlibmesa-dev libglide3` since they got uninstalled somewhere along the line in an upgrade. Dunno why. But that now works -- dunno which of the two things I did above was the one responsible for fixing the breakage. Now the problem is that X seems to ignore my modelines I need for my 1280x1024 fixed frequency monitor (the IBM_mode_1, 2, and 3 lines that appear in the xorg.conf and Xorg.0.log files attached). Anyone know why this would be? Could it be something to do with the LCD display, despite me having told X to use the CRT (which is dutifully does, just getting the wrong modelines)? It worked in the last version of X, so I don't know what has changed... xorg.conf: # XF86Config-4 (XFree86 X server configuration file) generated by dexconf, the # Debian X Configuration tool, using values from the debconf database. # # Edit this file with caution, and see the XF86Config-4 manual page. # (Type man XF86Config-4 at the shell prompt.) # # This file is automatically updated on xserver-xfree86 package upgrades *only* # if it has not been modified since the last upgrade of the xserver-xfree86 # package. # # If you have edited this file but would like it to be automatically updated # again, run the following commands as root: # # cp /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 /etc/X11/XF86Config-4.custom # md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum # dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 Section Files # if the local font server has problems, we can fall back on these FontPath/usr/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi FontPath/usr/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi FontPath/usr/lib/X11/fonts/Type1 FontPath/usr/lib/X11/fonts/misc FontPath/usr/lib/X11/fonts/CID FontPath/usr/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo FontPath/usr/lib/X11/fonts/cyrillic FontPath/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/TrueType FontPath/var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/TrueType FontPath/var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/CID FontPathunix/:7100# local font server EndSection Section ServerFlags Option BlankTime 60 Option StandbyTime 60 Option SuspendTime 60 Option OffTime 90 Option Accel true Option AGPMode2x Option AGPMode 2 Option AllowMouseOpenFail true EndSection Section Monitor Identifier IBM VendorName IBM 19inch+Sun 19inch ModelName 6091/19 HorizSync 50-120 #Heck; too many valid modes. Lets just enable them all and be wery wery careful VertRefresh 50-160 DisplaySize 406 304 #Option NoDPMS Modeline IBM_mode_1 89.20 1024 1045 1205 1408 1024 1027 1030 1056 -hsync -vsync Modeline IBM_mode_2 111.50 1280 1298 1498 1756 1024 1024 1035 1040 -hsync -vsync # old sun monitor: Modeline IBM_mode_3 120.00 1280 1312 1472 1696 1024 1027 1030 1052 -hsync -vsync # new sun monitor: # From bohr: # Modeline IBM_mode_3 120.00 1280 1312 1472 1696 1024 1027 1030 1060 -hsync -vsync # To scuzzie: Modeline IBM_mode_3120.00 1280 1308 1468 1696 1024 1027 1030 1060 -hsync -vsync Modeline [EMAIL PROTECTED] 120.00 1280 1300 1460 1696 1024 1027 1030 1052 -hsync -vsync #Modeline [EMAIL PROTECTED] 120.00 1280 1312 1472 1696 1024 1027 1030 1052 -hsync -vsync ModeLine [EMAIL PROTECTED] 83.87 1024 1052 1348 1396768 769 776 808 ModeLine [EMAIL PROTECTED] 80.79904 924 1212 1256675 676 683 717 ModeLine [EMAIL PROTECTED] 72.56768 792 1048 1088576 577 585 621 ModeLine [EMAIL PROTECTED] 71.86720 748 1004 1048576 577 585 621 Modeline [EMAIL PROTECTED] 70.24640 652 900 936512 513 521 560 -hsync -vsync EndSection Section Module LoadGLcore Loadbitmap Loaddbe Loadddc Loadextmod Loadfreetype Loadglx Loaddri Loadint10 Load
Re: Dynamic MMap ran out of room!!!
On Wed, 20 Jul 2005, Adam Aube wrote: Will Ness wrote: I have an old laptop that I installed debian on. Everything works except apt!! Everytime I run apt, it does its thing but at the very end it says: Error! Dynamic MMap ran out of room I did some googling and got the general response that my Apt cache memory limit needed to be expanded/checked/corrected. Kudos for checking the archives first. Many posters with this question do not, and it is likely one of the most common questions asked. Now that he's found the solution, perhaps it is time to add a meaningful sentence to that dynamic mmap out of room message? Or what about automatically doubling each time it runs out of room, and starting again (along with an appropriate warning message as to how not to keep doing this)? First time I was bitten by the 'bug', I did a google, but made a tyop in the conf file, and so nothing happened. I was pulling out my hair for ages until I noticed the missing letter (I must have cut and paste from one letter in). -- TimC 'It's amazing I won. I was running against peace, prosperity and incumbency.' -- George W. Bush. June 14, 2001, to Swedish PM Goran Perrson, unaware that a live television camera was still rolling. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Dynamic MMap ran out of room!!!
On Wed, 20 Jul 2005, Steve Lamb wrote: Tim Connors wrote: Or what about automatically doubling each time it runs out of room, and starting again (along with an appropriate warning message as to how not to keep doing this)? Kinda defeats the purpose of limiting the amount of space the process uses. I mean which is better, a clear error message or the machine being dropped into swap hell? It's not that clear! -- TimC An engineer is someone who does list processing in FORTRAN. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: TV recording (Was Re: nv vs. nvidia - video)
Alvin Oga [EMAIL PROTECTED] said on Sun, 31 Oct 2004 00:05:16 -0700 (PDT): On Sun, 31 Oct 2004, Tim Connors wrote: Well, I could until I upgraded something, and now ffmpeg gives segfaults as soon as it starts recording. What repository do people use to get things like mplayer and ffmpeg? And does it interfere with libvorbis* dependencies, which in turn interfere with just about everything else multimedia wise? i always use the latest/greatest source code version from the originating author if the apps doesnt work Crap. I need to clean the CPU fan. Or not compile on hot days :) -- TimC -- http://astronomy.swin.edu.au/staff/tconnors/ Memory fault -- core...uh...um...core... Oh dammit, I forget! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Why are company's not certifying Debian? - raid
Wim De Smet [EMAIL PROTECTED] said on Sun, 31 Oct 2004 12:05:42 +0100: On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 12:55:54 +1100, Tim Connors [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Get a proper client. That's what the References and In-reply-to headers are for. If your client doesn't use it, it's non compliant with the RFCs and broken. Oh, and most likely to break other clients which *are* compliant. Fscking google and Outlook with their braindead implementation of the standards. I'll be sure to file a bugreport, but in the meantime please don't While you're there, remind them that for google groups 2, not including the references headers, and/or not updating them to actually make them accurate, breaks the 90% of readers out there that do obey the standard. change subject lines if there is no good reason for it. I believe this is just common sense. Especially in the case of this discussion where the subject change didn't really have much to do with a shift in the subject of the conversation. But the subject did have to do with raid. If you don't change the subject to appropriate to the topic at hand, then you piss off people who don't want to read about the new topic, but were interested in what the subject puports to talk about, and you miss audience who would be interested in the new topic. If you are interested in responses directly to yours (and this is the reason why you object to subject line changes), you can then score positively on responses including your message-id format within the last n entries in the references header. -- TimC -- http://astronomy.swin.edu.au/staff/tconnors/ If anyone tells me to work smarter, not harder, I will kick him or her, hard, in a random body part. I will then kick him or her a second time, smarter, not harder, which is to say that on the second strike, I'll use the same force, but target more carefully. -- Catherine in Scary Devil Monastery -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Either not Eighther [Re: Ctrl+U in Firefox location bar]
Pigeon [EMAIL PROTECTED] said on Sun, 31 Oct 2004 23:35:03 +: --BFVE2HhgxTpCzM8t Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Oct 31, 2004 at 02:35:45PM -0500, William Ballard wrote: On Sun, Oct 31, 2004 at 07:59:50PM +0100, Joost Witteveen wrote: To fix (in firefox and all/many? other gnome apps), eighter run =20 either pronounced EEE-thER or EYE-thER (soft th) not ether [the gas that puts you to sleep] pronounced ETHer (hard th) And no ether, eether. Nor aether, or even æther. Sigh. Maybe ethanol. Yeah, that's the ticket. -- TimC -- http://astronomy.swin.edu.au/staff/tconnors/ This is a dirty hack! It might burn your PC and kill your cat! -- mpg123.c source -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
TV recording (Was Re: nv vs. nvidia - video)
Alvin Oga [EMAIL PROTECTED] said on Sat, 30 Oct 2004 04:45:32 -0700 (PDT): On Sat, 30 Oct 2004, Jon Dowland wrote: I wouldn't even attempt to watch a video on my K6-2 :) i have no problem watching/listening to *.mpg with mplayer/xine on my k6-350 w/ 256MB of memory and 40+ xterms up and running at the same time ( and the sound is in sync with the video ) I can even record from my TV card real time on my K6-II 500. Well, I could until I upgraded something, and now ffmpeg gives segfaults as soon as it starts recording. What repository do people use to get things like mplayer and ffmpeg? And does it interfere with libvorbis* dependencies, which in turn interfere with just about everything else multimedia wise? -- TimC -- http://astronomy.swin.edu.au/staff/tconnors/ pivot_root manpage: BUGS: Some of the more obscure uses of pivot_root may quickly lead to insanity. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Why are company's not certifying Debian? - raid
Wim De Smet [EMAIL PROTECTED] said on Sat, 30 Oct 2004 16:07:58 +0200: Hi, please don't change the subject too much during a conversation. It breaks my threading and I would think that it does the same for quite a number of other people too. Get a proper client. That's what the References and In-reply-to headers are for. If your client doesn't use it, it's non compliant with the RFCs and broken. Oh, and most likely to break other clients which *are* compliant. Fscking google and Outlook with their braindead implementation of the standards. -- TimC -- http://astronomy.swin.edu.au/staff/tconnors/ I used to be better at logic problems, before I just dumped them all into TeX and let Knuth pick out the survivors. -- Plorkwort, 26 September 2004 on alt.religion.kibology -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Nvidia + 2.6 kernel
Andrew Schulman [EMAIL PROTECTED] said on Tue, 5 Oct 2004 15:56:37 -0400: The rivafb module is incompatible with the nvidia driver; see /usr/share/doc/nvidia-kernel-source/README.Debian. This shouldn't be a problem if you never load that module, but if it does ever get loaded for some reason, your monitor could explode (figuratively speaking). I I was reading this just the other day, trying to decide whther I want to try getting my old nvidia card working again (I don't even have non-accelarated GLX in its current state using the nv driver -- when I was using nvidia, I had GLX, and managed about 2 frames a second in glxgears, before the machine would crash -- yay!). I have successfully gotten rivafb to talk with my video card simulataneously with the nv X driver. I need this, because I have a fixed freq monitor, and so need modelines that vesafb can't provide when at the console. Do you know of any other way? Presumably, I could use framebuffer X (Option UseFBDev true), but then I would have to put up with even slower X with no accelaration. Damn, I should have asked DS this lastnight over the pizza (although he may be sick of talking about work) :) -- TimC -- http://astronomy.swin.edu.au/staff/tconnors/ Sufficiently advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from malice. -- Hamilcar Barca @ comp.os.linux.advocacy -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Advice needed to speed up very slow machine
Don Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] said on Sat, 25 Sep 2004 21:45:10 -0500: I have installed sarge with kernel 2.4.26 on it -- no problem. Actually, everything works fine on it, with KDE and Kmail and Mozilla-Firefox as my choices (since that's what I'm using myself). The problem is that with only a 166 MHz processor speed and the limited 96MB of RAM, the machine is agonizingly sloow! (I'm spoiled by my own new 2.8GHz P4 with 1GB RAM) For example, it takes about 4-1/2 minutes for cold boot up to the KDE desktop. I almost fall asleep every time I wait for Kmail to come up, and the same for the address book. Once Kmail is up and running, it's response is satisfactory. As long as she starts Linux on a window manager, she'll be fine - just don't change window managers on her. Now, try to avoid kde and k* applications, as well as gnome and gnome applications (gtk, etc). Expect the first kde program (or gnome) you start to take at least 15MB of ram, because it pulls in all these seemingly useless libraries (I mean, why does xwrits need so god damn many libraries just to display a dialog after x minutes of typing?) So, stick with the lighter window managers (I use fvwm, but I don't recommend it to anyone but advanced users -- if only it came with a nice default), and try to avoid programs starting with the letter k, and from there, I don't really know where to go :) Anyone have any suggestions of what I could do to improve speed within the constraints I have mentioned? (Yes, I know that command line email program would do wonders, but she needs the GUI.) I don't really need all the fancy stuff that the KDE desktop provides. I might mention that Win98se with Outlook Express is quite fast (relative to sarge/kde/kmail) on this same machine. I'm not surprised. KDE and kde widgets are rediculously slow even on modern hardware, IMNSHO. Try running them over ADSL and suffer. :) -- TimC -- http://astronomy.swin.edu.au/staff/tconnors/ -o) /\\The penguins are coming... _\_v the penguins are coming... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: overriding files in nfs mount
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Justin Guerin [EMAIL PROTECTED] said on Fri, 10 Sep 2004 09:45:51 -0600:
On Friday 10 September 2004 03:52, Micha Feigin wrote:
Bottom line, is it possible to mount /etc through nfs and the override
some of the files with local ones without resorting to playing around
with links?
I don't think I understand your setup, or the reasons for it, but I can
still make some (hopefully) useful comments.
I don't believe it's possible to mount /etc/ through nfs and override some
of the _files_ with local ones. You can override some of the directories
by mounting something else after the original mount (at least, I think you
can), but there's no way to override files.
If /etc/ has to be unique to each computer, why are you nfs mounting it at
all? Why not just nfs mount /usr, /home, ... and leave /etc as local?
Reasons I want to do this myself:
1) diskless clients.
2) Making sure that any apt-get upgrades don't just upgrade files in
/etc on one machine - want at least the common files to be upgraded on
all machines (naturally, the locally changed files will have to be
specially treated, but that is a managable task).
There is some work going on to incorporate things like BSD's union
filesystem in linux, but I don't think this kind of thing will be an
option for either me or the OP in any time soon.
That kind of thing would also be really useful for making changes to
readonly media like CDRoms -- just keep the local changes stored on
disk.
This kind of lacking feature is almost enough to make me experiment
with BSD :) (Unfortunately, I don't know whether I am up to the whole
new learning curve, but Linux has been pissing me off lately).
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Justin Guerin [EMAIL PROTECTED] said on Fri, 10 Sep 2004 09:45:51 -0600:
On Friday 10 September 2004 03:52, Micha Feigin wrote:
Bottom line, is it possible to mount /etc through nfs and the override
some of the files with local ones without resorting to playing around
with links?
I don't think I understand your setup, or the reasons for it, but I can
still make some (hopefully) useful comments.
I don't believe it's possible to mount /etc/ through nfs and override some
of the _files_ with local ones. You can override some of the directories
by mounting something else after the original mount (at least, I think you
can), but there's no way to override files.
If /etc/ has to be unique to each computer, why are you nfs mounting it at
all? Why not just nfs mount /usr, /home, ... and leave /etc as local?
Reasons I want to do this myself:
1) diskless clients.
2) Making sure that any apt-get upgrades don't just upgrade files in
/etc on one machine - want at least the common files to be upgraded on
all machines (naturally, the locally changed files will have to be
specially treated, but that is a managable task).
There is some work going on to incorporate things like BSD's union
filesystem in linux, but I don't think this kind of thing will be an
option for either me or the OP in any time soon.
That kind of thing would also be really useful for making changes to
readonly media like CDRoms -- just keep the local changes stored on
disk.
This kind of lacking feature is almost enough to make me experiment
with BSD :) (Unfortunately, I don't know whether I am up to the whole
new learning curve, but Linux has been pissing me off lately).
--
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i. Remove Cover and Extra Cover.
ii. Move fine leg to square leg.
Hmm, I can't seem to think of a way to finish this.--Sid on RHOD
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Re: rm difficult filename
Cameron Hutchison [EMAIL PROTECTED] said on Wed, 8 Sep 2004 15:24:56 +1000: Once upon a time Antonio Rodriguez said... When capturing a file from an url with the command mplayer -dumpstream -dumpfile archive.rm -playlist url and other variants, by misplacing the option -rtsp-stream-over-tcp a file was created with this name, i.e., -rtsp-stream-over-tcp is the filename. Two common ways: rm -- -rtsp-stream-over-tcp or rm ./-rtsp-stream-over-tcp In the first case, the -- tells rm to stop processing options, in the second case you're finding a way to refer to the same file in such a way that it does not start with -. It should be noted this comes in useful for all gnu commands. grep -i -- -CaSe-InSenSeTive-Regexp-With-A-Dash-At-Start -filename-with-a-dash-at-start And if you get a filename with non-printable garbage in it, then you can say rm -i ?rtsp-str??m-over-t?? Use rm -i though, otherwise the first time you try this, you will make a mistake :) -- TimC -- http://astronomy.swin.edu.au/staff/tconnors/ Disclaimer: Due to feline interference, this post may contain typographical errors. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian + ndiswrapper == Hair Loss!!
overbored [EMAIL PROTECTED] said on Sun, 05 Sep 2004 15:22:10 -0700: Hi all, What's Debian's policy on crossposting to debian groups? Probably not posting to all Debian's groups :) Furthermore, if I try to boot into my new 2.6.8 kernel, I get a kernel panic (starting with 'VFS:') about being unable to mount the root file system. I don't know if this is related at all. Debian's 2.6? Make sure you have the relevant initrd lines in the /etc/lilo.conf (or grub, etc) file. This bit me lastnight when I forgot to update one of the lilo stanzas. The correct line in my case was: initrd=/boot/initrd.img-2.4.27-1-386 in my image=/boot/vmlinuz-2.4.27-1-386 stanza. -- TimC -- http://astronomy.swin.edu.au/staff/tconnors/ cat ~/.signature File size limit exceeded (core dumped) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian + ndiswrapper == Hair Loss!!
On Sun, 5 Sep 2004, overbored wrote: I posted to relevant lists. I tried to look for any rules on cross posting but found none. The lines are correct; they were written by update-grub (I think; at least that's what I ran). Anyway the exact problem was that it couldn't mount the root FS and asked me to make sure the root= parameter was correct, which it was (same as the 2.4 kernel's root= parameter). Someone in #debian said that means I have a bad kernel build and to start over, which I did, but to no avail. What fs is the root? No - that's irrelevant. Debian kernels modularise everything, and rely on initrd to load the modules, so it should work. You didn't run out of disk in / or /boot, did you? Mine ran out of disk at some stage, and silently build a bad initrd image, without complaining. When I did it a second time after removing a bit of useless cruft (who needs 16megs of /etc/gconf on a box not using gnome? Bah), it did complain, so it depends on whereabouts in the process it runs out of disk on whether it dies. I would have submitted a bug, but unfortunately, not being able to reproduce it (damn heisenbugs) would make it hard to report. -- TimC -- http://astronomy.swin.edu.au/staff/tconnors/ The thing I love most about deadlines is the wonderful WHOOSHing sound they make as they go past - DNA -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian + ndiswrapper == Hair Loss!!
On Sun, 5 Sep 2004, overbored wrote: Tim Connors wrote: You didn't run out of disk in / or /boot, did you? Nope. This is a fresh Debian install on a 8GB partition. 1024 cyclinder limit? Does this one even apply anymore? Doubt it. Sorry, fresh out of ideas. -- TimC -- http://astronomy.swin.edu.au/staff/tconnors/ When some other esteemed editor reposts this, it'll be the Periodic Periodic Table Table story, and I will be even happier. ;^) -- Emil Brink on /., about the periodic table table. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: First general purpose unmoderated newsgroup for Debian
Roel Schroeven [EMAIL PROTECTED] said on Wed, 01 Sep 2004 10:12:47 +0200: Fortunatly, linux.* *IS* a bidirectional gateway, unless your news server is misconfigured.. I'm confused. Is the gateway bidirectional and is almost everyone's news server misconfigured? Is everyone doing something wrong? Or is it just me? With our current news software, I don't recall having done any tests recently with the various news groups that end up mailing stuff to a moderator. I think sci.astro.research does this - and it works for me. I don't recall whether I have ever posted to sci.astro.fits, but no-one has ever complained about it not working there. I have a feeling alt.humor.best-of-usenet is meant to mail to a moderator if you post to that group, but I just mail the moderator address manually. Same with the internet oracle - I can't think of any decent queries to ask it right now, so I'm afraid I can't test it :) I know that if a group asks the client to followup to another group (rec.humor.oracle - rec.humor.oracle.d and AHBOU to AHBOUD, etc), my client (slrn) obeys that request properly. So it seems perhaps this whole gateway news--mail thing is perhaps a hit-and-miss affair. -- TimC -- http://astronomy.swin.edu.au/staff/tconnors/ All science is either physics or stamp collecting. -- Ernest Rutherford -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Periodic HD acctivity
martin f krafft [EMAIL PROTECTED] said on Tue, 31 Aug 2004 11:35:58 +0200: --V0207lvV8h4k8FAm Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Doesn't really help. It logs the hd activity, but still there is _some_ process running, which forces every 60 seconds the HD to spin up: You may want to peruse lsof and get periodic outputs to compare. I know of no tool that does disk monitoring or the like. Try laptop_mode in newer kernels: /proc/sys/vm/laptop_mode and /proc/sys/vm/block_dump Debian's laptop-mode-tools controls the former, IIRC. -- TimC -- http://astronomy.swin.edu.au/staff/tconnors/ Did you know that in German, Usenet bulletin boards are called Gruppenareabrettecholistennetzs? - James Kibo Parry -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Repeated forced fsck--Bug?
John Summerfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] said on Mon, 30 Aug 2004 15:14:28 +0800: David Baron wrote: After the requesite number of mounts, fsck ran. The auto-run failed so I typed in fsck -f. This proceded to uneventfully check all the file systems. Fine. At next boot up, the non-root file systems were rechecked. The message said that they had not been checked for 4970 days or something like that. How old is potatoe? Potato? Very old. But I am reminded I got this problem just a few days ago installing 2.2r2, and before apt-get dist-upgrading. Alternatively, how longis 4970 days? [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ echo $((4970/365)) 13 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ echo $((14*365)) 5110 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ so between 13 and 14 years. 2004-14=? $ opfloat 4970*24*3600*10'/(2**32)' 0.999793410301208 ie, 4970 days is the number of deciseconds that fit in 32 bits. Why they count in deci-seconds, I don't know. -- TimC -- http://astronomy.swin.edu.au/staff/tconnors/ We are no longer the knights who say ni We are the knights who say icky icky (Comet) Ikeya-Zhang zoooboing! --Lord Ender @ /. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: clock suddenly slipping behind
On Fri, 27 Aug 2004, Nori Heikkinen wrote: on Fri, 27 Aug 2004 02:21:44PM +1000, Tim Connors insinuated: Stefan O'Rear [EMAIL PROTECTED] said on Thu, 26 Aug 2004 20:34:17 -0700: On Thu, Aug 26, 2004 at 11:23:07PM -0400, Nori Heikkinen wrote: over the past few days, i've noticed that my system clock gets about ten to fifteen minutes slow over the course of a day. this is really weird! i've been using ntpdate to synchronize it with a timeserver whenever i notice it, and i put it in a once-a-day cron job, but i want my system to ALWAYS be on time. i'm confused as to what's causing this, and how i can fix it. any ideas? Perhaps your PIT is going south? (PIT = Programmable Interval Timer, a variable-frequency timer usually set to 100HZ by Linux.) Nope. This seriously needs investigation. http://www.google.com/groups?selm=2qVhI-80D-5%40gated-at.bofh.it The one replyer said he didn't see anythign wrong. I had 2 machines with ntp packages and adjtimex querying two known good upstreams, plus three pool.ntp.org servers, that upon upgrade of sid a couple of weeks ago, broke at the rate of ~12 and ~14 seconds per 10 minutes (for my two machines, very constant for each), which was ~twice the rate that the OT reported). One went through a kernel reboot and the other didn't, so it wasn't a new kernel issue. Uninstalling ntp and adjtimex and reinstalling didn't fix. Uninstalling, *purging* (so drift file and config files gone), *rebooting*, and then reinstalling fixed. Doing one or the other of rebooting and purging was not good enough - the kernel keeps state in one case, and the ntp drift files etc keep state in the other case. wait, uninstalling what, and purging what? adjtime? and ntp* I haven't tried to reproduce this, but things to note were the drift file *seemed* to have normal contents, the adjtime file was slightly off (but should only affect the hardware timer anyway, and was probably off because ntp was so confused - you can't calibrate the hardware clock off a faulty software clock). One other very clued in guy on the scary devil monastery also found this problem a day or two ago. I've been in communication with him, and it seems these are all related. There is a hard to trigger bug somewhere, but if you want to track it down, you'll prbablky need to reinstall old version of ntp and/or adjtimex and just keep working forwards and backwards until you trigger the bug again. right now, i've got: ii ntp4.2.0a-11 ii ntp-simple 4.1.0-8 ii ntpdate4.2.0a-11 ii adjtimex 1.18-1.1 did you get a set of versions that works for you? Yep - I am now running ntp: Version: 1:4.2.0a-11 ntp-server: Version: 1:4.2.0a-11 ntp-simple: Version: 1:4.2.0a-11 ntpdate: Version: 1:4.2.0a-11 and no adjtimex (now) and if this is a problem with these versions, should i file a bug? So I wonder if it was because of adjtimex? BTW, the problem did originally crop up with these versions (adjtimex was ... I don't know; it's not in my cache anymore) hmm, this looks quite relevant: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=265839 (i'm also running kernel 2.4.26-1, like the submitter of this bug). Same. Oh well, I don't need adjtimex (what's it's purpose when you have ntp and a hardware clock that isn't *too* bad?), so it looks like that is my workaround. -- TimC -- http://astronomy.swin.edu.au/staff/tconnors/ This company performed an illegal operation but they will not be shut down. -- Scott Harshbarger from consumer lobby group on Microsoft -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: clock suddenly slipping behind
Stefan O'Rear [EMAIL PROTECTED] said on Thu, 26 Aug 2004 20:34:17 -0700: On Thu, Aug 26, 2004 at 11:23:07PM -0400, Nori Heikkinen wrote: over the past few days, i've noticed that my system clock gets about ten to fifteen minutes slow over the course of a day. this is really weird! i've been using ntpdate to synchronize it with a timeserver whenever i notice it, and i put it in a once-a-day cron job, but i want my system to ALWAYS be on time. i'm confused as to what's causing this, and how i can fix it. any ideas? Perhaps your PIT is going south? (PIT = Programmable Interval Timer, a variable-frequency timer usually set to 100HZ by Linux.) Nope. This seriously needs investigation. http://www.google.com/groups?selm=2qVhI-80D-5%40gated-at.bofh.it The one replyer said he didn't see anythign wrong. I had 2 machines with ntp packages and adjtimex querying two known good upstreams, plus three pool.ntp.org servers, that upon upgrade of sid a couple of weeks ago, broke at the rate of ~12 and ~14 seconds per 10 minutes (for my two machines, very constant for each), which was ~twice the rate that the OT reported). One went through a kernel reboot and the other didn't, so it wasn't a new kernel issue. Uninstalling ntp and adjtimex and reinstalling didn't fix. Uninstalling, *purging* (so drift file and config files gone), *rebooting*, and then reinstalling fixed. Doing one or the other of rebooting and purging was not good enough - the kernel keeps state in one case, and the ntp drift files etc keep state in the other case. I haven't tried to reproduce this, but things to note were the drift file *seemed* to have normal contents, the adjtime file was slightly off (but should only affect the hardware timer anyway, and was probably off because ntp was so confused - you can't calibrate the hardware clock off a faulty software clock). One other very clued in guy on the scary devil monastery also found this problem a day or two ago. I've been in communication with him, and it seems these are all related. There is a hard to trigger bug somewhere, but if you want to track it down, you'll prbablky need to reinstall old version of ntp and/or adjtimex and just keep working forwards and backwards until you trigger the bug again. -- TimC -- http://astronomy.swin.edu.au/staff/tconnors/ Computers are not intelligent. They only think they are. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: can't post to linux.debian.user solved
Marco d'Itri [EMAIL PROTECTED] said on Fri, 20 Aug 2004 01:43:22 +0200: On Aug 20, Dan Jacobson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I suppose one is supposed to put both Message-ID's into the References header if one follows-up. No. If one reads a debian mailing list in a linux.debian.* group and wants to reply to the list he is supposed to followup to the newsgroup and NOT to directly reply to the list. This way all Message-IDs will be correctly rewritten both ways. Unfortunately, linux.* is not a bidrectional gateway, so the posts will just sit there on the newsgroup going unseen by anyone but a handful of people. -- TimC -- http://astronomy.swin.edu.au/staff/tconnors/ This thesis brought to you by the letter tau -- TimC -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: can't post to linux.debian.user solved
Brian Pack [EMAIL PROTECTED] said on Fri, 20 Aug 2004 09:53:16 -0400: On Fri, 2004-08-20 at 08:01, Roel Schroeven wrote: Marco d'Itri wrote: On Aug 20, Tim Connors [EMAIL PROTECTED] du.au wrote: Unfortunately, linux.* is not a bidrectional gateway, so the posts Fortunatly, linux.* *IS* a bidirectional gateway, unless your news server is misconfigured. Are you sure? This is the first time I've seen anyone saying it is=20 bidirectional. I've seen many people say that it is unidirectional, and=20 experimential evidence tends to confirm that. After all the shenanigans of the past week, I've convinced the usenet mirror (is that an accurate term here?) on Verizon is unidirectional. Nothing I've posted there has made the list proper, nor the web archives. I'm thinking there are two linux.* (linux.kernel, linux.debian.user and linux.debian.laptop, etc) heirarchies. With my newserver, there is the free unidirectional bofh.it gateway that is propogated everywhere (which writes message-ids and references in the form [EMAIL PROTECTED]), but there is also the gmane gateway some people use (and you seem to have to point your newsever at their gateway, instead of your own newserver, meaning you can't use it behind a university firewall, and you can't use it with software that only can use one newserver) which *is* bidirectional. Maybe gmane put the mailing lists in linux.* as well, which mislead Marco into believing I was talking about gmane? -- TimC -- http://astronomy.swin.edu.au/staff/tconnors/ Sorry if there are errors in transmission - I'm sending this message down the gigabit ethernet fiber with a laser pointer. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bogus reply-to
Monique Y. Mudama [EMAIL PROTECTED] said on Sun, 8 Aug 2004 23:48:43 -0600: On 2004-08-08, Tim Connors penned: Monique Y. Mudama [EMAIL PROTECTED] said on Sun, 8 Aug 2004 10:05:12 -0600: I suggest that gmane is the wrong tool for the job - I;ve heard plenty of people say it sucks for mailing lists, and this appears to be another case (actually, google seem to be really doing a good job at making sucky UIs and not implementing proper protocols - witness google groups 2 and how it doesn't set and preserve References:; but I digress). But anyway... It sure sounds like you're claiming that the fact that gmane delivers messages through the news protocol rather than email is a flaw, rather than the whole point. Damn me. Confusing gmail and gmane again. Not even related. But yes, I do exactly the same thing as you. As to your post a second ago, the boht.it unidirectional gateway I use (hence all my mangling) that does the linux.debian.* preserves the Mail-Copies-To: never, but not the Mail-followup-to: one. Um, no, *I* set mail-copies-to: never. Actually, I guess I'm not sure what all happens in processing from gmane to mailing list to that newsgroup, but I would think that this setting is somehow related to my original headers? gmane seems like it is probably preserving your mail-copies-to and mail-followups-to, but the bofh.it unidirectional gateway (which I know a few people use, I have no idea how many - but since it is only unidirectional, I occasionally see a few people post there, and then wonder why no-one answers them) seems to drop mail-followups-to (it's free, I can't complain). But of course, being unidirectional, one has to write scripts so you can reply to the mailing list instead of just to the 5 or so audience in the newsgroup. When one writes scripts, they are likely to lose details such as not replying to people directly - that's what happened to me until someone (you?) alerted me to my mailing. Possibly this is why people reply-to you directly. Because I ask them not to in my headers? Please explain, cuz I'm not following you. Did I explain myself better in the above paragraph, this time? [1] Even if Reply-To is considered harmful (http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html), and causes some mailers to drop the mailing list off the list of CCs, and will end up replying only to your single bogus address. Your link seems to talk exclusively about lists admins setting reply-to for the whole list, which isn't the case with my emails: The Reply-To header was not invented on a whim. It is there for the sender of a mail message to use. If you stomp on this header, you can lose important information. Is the behavior of dropping the mailing list part of the spec? I guess I assumed that a reply-to should only be used, you know, when you're actually replying. Was I wrong? If I understand things properly, if I subscribe to debian-user, and I reply to your message if you use a bogus reply-to, then my mail will simply consist of a recipient of To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]. I will then have to go and manually substitute To: debian-user. Also, if I understand correctly, this will effect *everyone*, not just those of us using silly mail/news clients. Then again, I also do recall something about mailing list software that looks at your reply-to, and massages it in an appropriate way to end up with effectively what you want. I don't know. -- TimC -- http://astronomy.swin.edu.au/staff/tconnors/ So y'know, when the girl octopus slaps the boy octopus for being too forward, he could say it wasn't his fault, the arm just kind of did its own thing.-- Kasatka in AFAFDA -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How popular is Debian (popularity contest)
Jaap Haitsma [EMAIL PROTECTED] said on Sun, 08 Aug 2004 13:02:12 +0200: William Ballard wrote: On Sun, Aug 08, 2004 at 12:19:54PM +0200, Jaap Haitsma wrote: Are there only around 1000 debian users on the world (assumption 60% of them sends reports) Why would you assume that? I don't use popcon; it's possible that 99.9% of users don't use it. Who knows? Oops, I meant to write 10,000. The worst case is that there are only 6000 Debian users around the globe. So I thought maybe not everybody sends reports. So maybe there are 10,000 users. That seems to me like a very low number. There are around 500M people on the Internet. According to Google stats 1% of them is using Linux. So there are around 5M users of Linux. Then only 10,000 out of these 5M are Debian users!!! That doesn't seem right to me I still suggest you are several orders of magnitude out. I doubt 10% of people use popcon (maybe not even 1%). It's only good (perhaps) for finding out relative popularity of packages, since its use is not mandated. Even for relative popularity, there are still going to be biases (what kind of user uses popcon? Maybe home users, possibly developers, probably not syadmins) that make popcon not a very scientific survey. -- TimC -- http://astronomy.swin.edu.au/staff/tconnors/ TELESCOPE, n. A device having a relation to the eye similar to that of the telephone to the ear, enabling distant objects to plague us with a multitude of needless details. Luckily it is unprovided with a bell summoning us to the sacrifice. -- Ambrose Bierce, The Devil's Dictionary -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Ntp in sid doing strange things?
I apt-get upgraded my sid box at home a bit over a week ago (with at least these time related packages installed: adjtimex, ntp, ntp-doc, ntp-server, ntp-simple, ntpdate), and then noticed that the box was losing quite a bit of time, without a reboot having happened at all recently. It was losing so much time, ntp decided to give up, so for the time being, I have added 'ntpd -q' to my crontab to be executed every 15 minutes, and setup a script to warn if the time ever goes out by 20 seconds. I found out that the box was *consistently* losing 11 seconds per 15 minutes, or 11-12,000 ppm, way about the ntp cutoff of 500ppm. Furthermore, to show that this is not hardware failure, I checked my sid laptop, which I also did a apt-get upgrade of a week later. It too is showing a horendous slowdown. It's about 15 seconds per 15 minutes, which is close to the value for my other machine. The laptop was rebooted before I noticed the time anomaly, but has not been rebooted since. The home box has not been rebooted in 30 days. Has anyone else who has upgraded within the last few days seen this? -- TimC -- http://astronomy.swin.edu.au/staff/tconnors/ About the use of language: it is impossible to sharpen a pencil with a blunt ax. It is equally vain to try to do it with ten blunt axes instead. -- Edsger Dijkstra -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bogus reply-to
Monique Y. Mudama [EMAIL PROTECTED] said on Sun, 8 Aug 2004 10:05:12 -0600: On 2004-08-08, Tim Connors penned: :0 a: .duplicates Do I really need to repeat for the hundredth time that I read debian-user through gmane, ie, as a newsgroup, so that your procmail recipe does precisely diddly for me?? I read that after posting. I suggest that gmane is the wrong tool for the job - I;ve heard plenty of people say it sucks for mailing lists, and this appears to be another case (actually, google seem to be really doing a good job at making sucky UIs and not implementing proper protocols - witness google groups 2 and how it doesn't set and preserve References:; but I digress). But anyway... Sorry. I've just gotten that response a ton of times, and 1) it doesn't help me, and 2) it's beside the point. I shouldn't *have* to do any of this -- d-u has a policy against cc'ing unless requested, and I set my mail headers appropriately. I too use the wrong tool for the job; I am reading this through news://linux.debian.user (newsgroups are so much more convenient that mailing lists, particularly since I already read a dozen newsfroups), which preserves every header, so I can munge them back into something sensible, *except* it doesn't preserve Reply-To (for your posts, it sets Mail-Copies-To: never, which I use in my script to detect people not wanting reply-tos). Possibly this is why people reply-to you directly. I personally think that policies on mailing lists shouldn't dictate things like reply-to (not that this one has been made publicly known other than through your rants), because some people prefer to get a reply-to (me, for example - reply-to means I can see any responses to me straight away without having to wait for the mailing list to do its thing), and I think it clutters the list to say please reply to me. Let your mailer do its thing (set your own reply-to[1] as necessary, as you do), and hope that everyone respects it. There's also the issue that differnt mailing lists adopting different practices means that no-one can actually keep track of which practice is used where, so they just use the one that is most convenient for them. [1] Even if Reply-To is considered harmful (http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html), and causes some mailers to drop the mailing list off the list of CCs, and will end up replying only to your single bogus address. -- TimC -- http://astronomy.swin.edu.au/staff/tconnors/ But if I ever have a child, I will certainly be naming it Sun Microsystems. -- Hipatia -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How popular is Debian (popularity contest)
Paul Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] said on Sun, 08 Aug 2004 15:07:19 -0700: Matthew T. Atkinson wrote: 'ello, I use popcon on my relatively new Sarge box. Problem is that there is a bug preventing the mails from getting out to Debian's machines. So it could be that even people using popcon are not being counted. Not sure if the bug has been fixed yet; I remember apt-listbugs telling me about it being still open once when dist-upgrading. A message was just posted to Debian development with the subject: Please participate in popularity-contest Damn. Can't sorry. Laptop users typically turn off access time, to stop excess HD accesses, and popcon needs accesstime to work. -- TimC -- http://astronomy.swin.edu.au/staff/tconnors/ cat ~/.signature Passing cosmic ray (core dumped) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How popular is Debian (popularity contest)
Simon Kitching [EMAIL PROTECTED] said on Mon, 09 Aug 2004 10:05:07 +1200: I think a better way to measure the number of debian installs would be for security.debian.org to count unique IP addresses. While lots of people won't have popularity-contest installed, a large majority of them will be getting security updates... Of course this would not count users of testing or unstable, which don't have security updates. And it won't properly count people using apt-proxy, etc. or behind NAT firewalls. But it would be a start. Or any proxy. I think surveys with known and unquantifyable biases are useless, and as such do not represent a start. As I said earlier, popcon has one use and one use only - to see relative usage of packages; and even there, it has biases - I also mentioned earlier than laptop users wouldn't use popcon, because they turn off access-time updates on their HD. And as you also say, server users also may be less likely to partake in fun surveys such as popcon. But I guess in this use, popcon does represent a start, as long as the people putting the CDs do at least realise the biases. -- TimC -- http://astronomy.swin.edu.au/staff/tconnors/ The Klein-Gordon equation was derived by Schroedinger. Hence its name. -- Peter Robinson, Rel. Quant. Mech Lecturer. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bogus reply-to
On Mon, 9 Aug 2004, John Summerfield wrote: I personally think that policies on mailing lists shouldn't dictate things like reply-to (not that this one has been made publicly known other than through your rants), because some people prefer to get a reply-to (me, for example - reply-to means I can see any responses to me straight away without having to wait for the mailing list to do its thing), and I think it clutters the list to say please reply to me. Let your mailer do its thing (set your own reply-to[1] as necessary, as you do), and hope that everyone respects it. The list's settings should reflect its primary use. This is a discussion list and its settings should reflect that. So is eg. LKML. What I am saying, is all of these discussion lists have differnt policies. It's kind of silly expecting people to remember which policy belongs to which list, and blasting people when they get it wrong. -- TimC -- http://astronomy.swin.edu.au/staff/tconnors/ As you know, Linus took the word the penguins kept saying over and over again, rot13'ed it, and used that as the name of his OS. So, who's going to record this .au file: Hello, my name is Yvahf Gbeinyqf, and I pronounce yvahk, yvahk. -- Anthony de Boer Michel Buijsman @ ASR -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bogus reply-to
Monique Y. Mudama [EMAIL PROTECTED] said on Sat, 7 Aug 2004 20:28:08 -0600:
x I don't know if that would even have a prayer of working, but I don't
want to do anything malicious; I'm just sick of getting duplicates!
.procmailrc:
# if testing, don't do duplicate test
# avoid duplicate messages
:0 Whc: msgid.lock
* $ ${TESTMAIL+!}
| formail -D 16384 .msgid.cache
:0 a:
.duplicates
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Re: /proc/loadavg disagrees with top and ps
John Summerfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] said on Fri, 06 Aug 2004 13:39:52 +0800: Some years ago I used to boot off a Quantum LPS 170. It had some more stuff on it, probably /tmp. It died and managed to hang a couple of process. I manged to reconfigure the system without taking it down, and the hung processes contributed to a higher-than-normail loadaverage for weeks. Probably until the next power failure. I had my web stuff on a friend's computer for a while. They noticed a high load after a few weeks, and eventually worked out that updatedb was getting stuck on the same directory every night. It had been like that for weeks unnoticed (given that it was merely a headless box in the corner), and was now sitting at a load of 60 or so (mostly updatedb processes, but a few `ls` in the directory of question). They sent a notice to everyone that the computer was experiencing a bit of trouble, don't do the following:, and then left it until they could get a new drive :) -- TimC -- http://astronomy.swin.edu.au/staff/tconnors/ Brown's Theorem (Physics III student, Usyd): The only thing that behaves like a billiard ball, is a billiard ball -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: /proc/loadavg disagrees with top and ps
Reid Priedhorsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] said on Thu, 05 Aug 2004 20:13:42 -0500: Hmm. So, the general consensus is that it's not a problem; and it certainly doesn't seem to affect interactivity or performance at all. It's my home box, not a server or anything, and it normally has very low loads, 10-15% maybe when I'm using it and essentially zero when I'm not. There shouldn't be lots of processes doing I/O. The high load dropped back to normal shortly after I posted. I'm still interested in tools that would tell me what processes are doing I/O, or whatever. It's unnerving for things to being going on with my box that I don't understand. `ps axf` lists in the 3rd column the state a process is in. If you have a process in 'D' state, it will contribute a value of 1 to the load (as will 'R' - but then it is taking CPU and will appear in top's output). If it stays in D for long continuously (as opposed to intermitently and for a few seconds - eg. while accessing the disk), then there is probably a kernel bug involved somewhere. If however, the load goes away after some time, maybe it is not something to worry about. Were you waiting for slow IO from a disk or floopy, or maybe listening to music on a bad CD? Any oopsen in your syslog? -- TimC -- http://astronomy.swin.edu.au/staff/tconnors/ If I sit here and stare at nothing long enough, people might think I'm an engineer working on something. -- S.R. McElroy -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: /proc/loadavg disagrees with top and ps
John Summerfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] said on Wed, 04 Aug 2004 16:34:03 +0800: Tim Connors wrote: Oh - and the waiting 5 seconds for your bash *shell* to echo a single character keypress. shudder. At present I'm working from home by dialup. I frequently run gvim as a scratch-pad from which to multiclick and paste commands into my multitudinous terminals. Otheriwse the dialup would be unusable while getting my Sarge fixes, my email, checking /.. Well, not the last. Pings often exceed 5 secs. Slightly different story though. I'm talking about a local connection not letting bash get enough timeslices to be able to register a keypress and display it. But I do frequently get ping times and ssh responses of 5 seconds over my 1500mbit ADSL, because someone happens to be uploading an ISO or whatever. I really would like it if our router did traffic shaping (I don't want to have to get another box to do the shaping for us, and then have to pay the electricity) I just forbade my housemate from uploading ISOs while I was trying to work :) -- TimC -- http://astronomy.swin.edu.au/staff/tconnors/ Computer screens simply ooze buckets of yang. To balance this, place some women around the corners of the room. -- Kaz Cooke, Dumb Feng Shui -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CMOS battery
On Tue, 3 Aug 2004, Bertrand wrote: Hi, At one point in time, I swear I found a program that reported the health of the CMOS battery in any computer. You just called this program, and it gave a few levels like battery healthy, and battery poor (maybe it queried /dev/rtc or looked at the memory location where cmos is). You may want to use lm_sensors for this purpose; some sensors are reporting battery voltage. See if the sensors of your motherboard are supported by lm_sensors and are doing this. Never did manage to get lm_sensors to work - this is an old crappy K6-II machine. -- TimC -- http://astronomy.swin.edu.au/staff/tconnors/ I've told them and told them: Temporal anomalies are different from spatial anomalies. But the kittens know better. They laugh at my feeble attempts to fool them. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: /proc/loadavg disagrees with top and ps
Paul Gear [EMAIL PROTECTED] said on Wed, 04 Aug 2004 07:03:12 +1000: This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --enig162A5A009C607900848B2DE4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reid Priedhorsky wrote: Hello everyone, /proc/loadavg currently reports the following: 0.96 0.98 0.78 1/116 23994 xload also reports roughly the same. But top and ps both report a nearly idle system (98% idle). What is going on? How can I find out what is causing my system to be so busy? I've seen load averages of 14 and 16 when the CPU usage was on 10%. The two are usually, but not necessarily, related. There are certain types of work where this behaviour will be seen. Even low amounts of I/O to a slow device, if done by enough processes could cause this. As a test one day, I mounted nfs over the modem, and ran about 300 processes doing a find over the modem. CPU usage was ~10%, 15 minute load was above 200 :) As opposed to undergrad, where in the last 2 days before the semester project was due, when the lusers discovered they might need to think about *starting* their projects, the load on the 4 poor 8 proc sun boxen would hit 373. We actually witnessed a wraparound at some point, where the load seemed to go down to 8, yet intereactivity was still thouroughly poor. At that time, I tried to help someone track down a missing brace in their C code, so I fired up emacs, waited 8 minutes, pressed C-x h C-M-\ and waited for another half hour before giving up and leaving her to fend for herself :) Oh - and the waiting 5 seconds for your bash *shell* to echo a single character keypress. shudder. -- TimC -- http://astronomy.swin.edu.au/staff/tconnors/ Does bacteria culture in coffee cup qualify as pet? Have already givink it name. -- Pitr Dubovich/User Friendly -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CMOS battery
At one point in time, I swear I found a program that reported the health of the CMOS battery in any computer. You just called this program, and it gave a few levels like battery healthy, and battery poor (maybe it queried /dev/rtc or looked at the memory location where cmos is). Was I dreaming, or does such a thing exist? It's not in any of the obvious places I have checked... -- TimC -- http://astronomy.swin.edu.au/staff/tconnors/ Disclaimer: This post owned by the owner -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CMOS battery
William Ballard [EMAIL PROTECTED] said on Mon, 2 Aug 2004 20:11:08 -0700: On Tue, Aug 03, 2004 at 12:46:23PM +1000, Tim Connors wrote: At one point in time, I swear I found a program that reported the health of the CMOS battery in any computer. You just called this program, and it gave a few levels like battery healthy, and battery poor (maybe it queried /dev/rtc or looked at the memory location where cmos is). Was I dreaming, or does such a thing exist? It's not in any of the obvious places I have checked... Do modern motherboards even have CMOS batteries? I remember replacing a watch-battery sized battery on my 8086 mobo, but that's about the last time I thought about it. My one is a large button battery (bigger than watch size, and non-rechargable ~4V Lithium perhaps?). They don't usually embed batteries in the CMOS (I think), thankfully. -- TimC -- http://astronomy.swin.edu.au/staff/tconnors/ These people [spam fighters] will go to the lowest depths, -- Tom Cowles, spammer and convicted thief. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Permissions for console devices
I have a need for a console device (/dev/tty11) to be chmod 666. Unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be any file where I can set these permissions, other than /dev/MAKEDEV. So If I change the perms manually, upon next upgrade, debian helpfully resets my perms, and my app breaks. What is the accepted way to set permissions of an unused console that getty and X don't touch? -- TimC -- http://astronomy.swin.edu.au/staff/tconnors/ White dwarf seeks red giant star for binary relationship -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Hard Drive shutdown
David [EMAIL PROTECTED] said on Thu, 29 Jul 2004 12:36:34 -0500: On Thu, Jul 29, 2004 at 04:37:08PM +0100, Matthew T. Atkinson wrote: I've had something very similar to this before. My HDD is ``S.M.A.R.T.'' and it never warned me of immanent destruction so I was very concerned. I asked around and was told ``before you go out and bu a new disk, try wiggling the IDE cable around''. Of course I took this with a pinch of salt but I did try it -- and it worked! As hard to believe as it is, something along the lines of ``chip-creep'' appears to have happened to my IDE cable. Not two weeks after this, someone else I knew had the same problem on their box! So, give it a go -- it might help. Hadn't thought to check that out. Will do it. However, it seems odd that it would lose connection and then regain it again. I never so much as touched the case and it picked right back up. Could have cooled. Mine did it in particular when I wobbled the IDE cable - I thought it was a bad cable at the time, but all my cables seemed equally bad. I eventually discovered the bottom of the HD was almost touching the metal case. If I turned off the computer for any length of time, things would cool, and shrink, and the HD would touch the case. If I wobbled the connector, the bottom of the drive would touch the case. It was particularly peculiar, in that as long as I held the reset button down, one of my drives would power down, but the other would stay up. I put plastic between the case and the bottom of the drive and it all works now. -- TimC -- http://astronomy.swin.edu.au/staff/tconnors/ It typically takes 25-30 gallons of petrol/diesel to fully-consume an average-sized body under ideal conditions. That I am conversant with this level of detail should serve as an indication of why the wise man does not ask me questions about MS-Windows. --Tanuki on ASR -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cups can't start with error 98
CW Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] said on Tue, 27 Jul 2004 10:56:44 -0600: I believe I'm starting to know more about CUPS than I really want to. If the following solves your problem, we both need to RTFM better ;-) On Tue, Jul 27, 2004 at 12:09:56PM +1000, Tim Connors wrote: [...] Nothing interesting, but I did notice one more line of output that I didn't before: I [27/Jul/2004:12:04:46 +1000] Listening to 0:631 I [27/Jul/2004:12:04:46 +1000] Listening to c0a80102:631 I believe this is a configuration error in your cupsd.conf I can replicate this error with the following: Port 631 Listen 192.168.1.2:631 I think the Port directive binds to *any* address on 631. The second directive tries to bind 192.168.1.2 on port 631, but that is already taken with the *any* address on 631. So I *think* you can either let it bind to *any* address and not have a listen directive. Or remove the port directive and list the address/ports you want it to listen on (you may need to allow it to listen on 127.0.0.1) Aha. I wonder when that LISTEN line crept in? Cups was working at some point in time, then I went and screwed it. :) Thanks. -- TimC -- http://astronomy.swin.edu.au/staff/tconnors/ PUBLIC NOTICE AS REQUIRED BY LAW: Any Use of This Product, in Any Manner Whatsoever, Will Increase the Amount of Disorder in the Universe. Although No Liability Is Implied Herein, the Consumer Is Warned That This Process Will Ultimately Lead to the Heat Death of the Universe. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cups can't start with error 98
CW Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] said on Mon, 26 Jul 2004 16:56:12 -0600: I don't see any answers so I'll try (not really good with CUPS though): On Sat, Jul 24, 2004 at 05:52:29PM +1000, Tim Connors wrote: I haven't used cups in a while, and tried to today. It fails at startup, with error code 98: E [24/Jul/2004:17:39:06 +1000] StartListening: Unable to bind socket for address c0a80102:631 - Address already in use. c0a80102==192.168.1.2==the box I am trying to start cups from That was fair enough the first time, because somehow lpr was installed at the same time, so I stop and removed it. The error stays, and I have done a netstat -au, and found nothing is bound to port 631. lsof What about tcp (netstat -at)? Oops, I should have read the manpage rather than asking someone else. But nothing there, either. agrees with me. There is no lp* or cups* processes running. I googled, and found that someone found a problem with nfs taking the port randomly, so I stopped the nfs processes. A quick look and I don't see a similar bug (1 unreproducible from a year ago is all). Any more info if you set LogLevel to debug in /etc/cups/cupsd.conf? Nothing interesting, but I did notice one more line of output that I didn't before: I [27/Jul/2004:12:04:46 +1000] Listening to 0:631 I [27/Jul/2004:12:04:46 +1000] Listening to c0a80102:631 I [27/Jul/2004:12:04:46 +1000] Sending browsing info to c0a801ff:631 I [27/Jul/2004:12:04:46 +1000] Loaded configuration file /etc/cups/cupsd.conf I [27/Jul/2004:12:04:46 +1000] Configured for up to 100 clients. I [27/Jul/2004:12:04:46 +1000] Allowing up to 100 client connections per host. I [27/Jul/2004:12:04:46 +1000] Full reload is required. I [27/Jul/2004:12:04:47 +1000] LoadPPDs: Read /etc/cups/ppds.dat, 2402 PPDs... I [27/Jul/2004:12:04:49 +1000] LoadPPDs: Wrote /etc/cups/ppds.dat, 2402 PPDs... I [27/Jul/2004:12:04:49 +1000] Full reload complete. E [27/Jul/2004:12:04:49 +1000] StartListening: Unable to bind socket for address c0a80102:631 - Addre ss already in use. The start line says listening. Has it opened the port for listen yet, or does it defer the actual open until the E line, where it fails? Or is it indeed trying to open the port twice? -- TimC -- http://astronomy.swin.edu.au/staff/tconnors/ Weeks of coding can save you hours of planning. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cups can't start with error 98
I haven't used cups in a while, and tried to today. It fails at startup, with error code 98: E [24/Jul/2004:17:39:06 +1000] StartListening: Unable to bind socket for address c0a80102:631 - Address already in use. c0a80102==192.168.1.2==the box I am trying to start cups from That was fair enough the first time, because somehow lpr was installed at the same time, so I stop and removed it. The error stays, and I have done a netstat -au, and found nothing is bound to port 631. lsof agrees with me. There is no lp* or cups* processes running. I googled, and found that someone found a problem with nfs taking the port randomly, so I stopped the nfs processes. I waited 5 minutes, because I rememeber something about the kernel sometimes keeping ports open for a little while despite the exit of the owner process. I partially upgraded sid - so now cups* and libcupsys are up to date. I really can't work out why I keep getting this message. And ideas? -- TimC -- http://astronomy.swin.edu.au/staff/tconnors/ My cats are forbidden from walking on my computer keyboard on the desk when I'm asdfjjhhkl;ljfd.;oier' puyykmm4hbdm9lo9j USING IT. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: See what a weak password will get ya?
Frank Gevaerts [EMAIL PROTECTED] said on Fri, 23 Jul 2004 10:44:34 +0200: On Thu, Jul 22, 2004 at 07:24:01PM -0700, Scarletdown wrote: I second that recommendation. I always prefer to have passwords with the following features: Minimum of 8 characters At least 1 capital letter At least 1 lower case letter At least 1 number At least 1 special character Except that in an ideal world where everyone uses random passwords, this kind of restrictions actually makes the password easier to guess. That's precicely what I was thinking. For each character range of size N that you *must* choose, you diminish the keyspace by a factor of N/256. So, if you must have a capital letter, there goes a factor of 26/256 ~ 1/10. If you must have a capital letter or a number, then that's now 36/256. If you must have an underscore, then you lose a factor of 256. Whoa! Of course, the 256 in all of the above should really be quite a lot less (maybe 26+10+10 or so special chars?) because most people don't enter high ascii and control characters into their passwords - maybe they should :) -- TimC -- http://astronomy.swin.edu.au/staff/tconnors/ Chairman: I'm glad to see so many bright-eyed and bushy-tailed people here at this time of the morning. From the audience: Actually, most of us are rabid. -- From an astro talk -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What's this mounted temporary drectory? /tmp/autoKVio9R
Martin Fluch [EMAIL PROTECTED] said on Fri, 23 Jul 2004 11:41:36 +0300 (EEST): On Fri, 23 Jul 2004, Ryo Furue wrote: Hello all, I recently found the following: $ df -k [...] /tmp/autol8wP90 37483560 2742148 32837312 8% /tmp/autoKVio9R $ which I'd never seen before. I'm the sole user and the admin of the machine. Also, $ ls -lF /tmp total 28 drwx--0 root root0 Jul 17 20:21 autoKVio9R/ [...] and there's no /tmp/autol8wP90 . Looks like something KDE related. Did you access some mountable media with Konqueror? And what do you base that on? The fact that it has a K in it's name? I would have guessed something autofs related, based on the auto in its name... (but I think that is wrong anyway - autofs doesn't mount to temporary mountpoints, does it?) Oh, and please bottom post. -- TimC -- http://astronomy.swin.edu.au/staff/tconnors/ The gedanken experiment failed. I couldn't reproduce the results -- me -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: See what a weak password will get ya?
Mathieu Ducharme [EMAIL PROTECTED] said on Thu, 22 Jul 2004 23:33:48 -0400: I'm pretty sure dictionary attack also look for this. (?) Use other characters that will make the word absolutely not dictionar- related x[([EMAIL PROTECTED])~(w0rD)]x Still as easy to remember (longer to type though) I don't rememeber my password, my fingers do. Which means, that when you come off a plane with your BIOS passwd protected laptop that you had been using fine for quite some time on the plane and at the airport, and you develop a massive headache, then the headache goes away, and you plug in, and try to remember your password, because your fingers are getting it wrong, well, no good happens. So you try to log in to your home institution, thinking that maybe the BIOS absorbed a few too many cosmic rays, and start panicking, because none of the passwords you have used in the past 5 years works. Eventually, let the pain in your head subside, and find out that that headache simply caused your brain to forget that you changed passwords about a month back, and somehow your fingers aren't remembering for the time being :) -- TimC -- http://astronomy.swin.edu.au/staff/tconnors/ Does bacteria culture in coffee cup qualify as pet? Have already givink it name. -- Pitr Dubovich/User Friendly -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: how to sweep hard disk of confidential data
John Summerfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] said on Mon, 19 Jul 2004 05:27:58 +0800: H. S. wrote: Any suggestions? Or any alternate methods? Then there is also the option of using a Windows programs to do this. But I am familiar with those. Unscientifically proven: a destructive badblocks test. The next owner will be impressed that you so thoroughly tested the drive for him:-) Now, there's a thought. You better destroy that drive afterall. If the drive had any bad blocks, and these were transparently remapped (as they do), then you can't tell that there have been remapping events (maybe SMART will tell you...). When you run wipe across /dev/hda, the drive will wipe all the current data, ignoring the blocks that were remapped onto another part of the drive. So Mallory comes along, buys the computer, and uses a low level tool to look at all the sectors that were remapped. Then he finds in one of those sectors that were remapped, the evidence of corruption that Bush was trying to hide :) -- TimC -- http://astronomy.swin.edu.au/staff/tconnors/ The thing I love most about deadlines is the wonderful WHOOSHing sound they make as they go past - DNA -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How hard would this be?(Learning LaTex)
David Fokkema [EMAIL PROTECTED] said on Tue, 29 Jun 2004 11:52:17 +0200:
On Mon, Jun 28, 2004 at 02:22:12PM +0200, Johann Spies wrote:
On Mon, Jun 28, 2004 at 09:45:20PM +1000, Tim Connors wrote:
ppower4 (for incremental build of pages in presentations)
I have recently worked a little bit with latex-beamer that is also a
nice tool to build a pdf for presentations.
Nice? It's great! :-) I've used prosper for my M.Sc. thesis talk (how do
you call that in english???) and think latex-beamer is even better.
But I am interested in starting external applications within a latex
presentation. Tim, do you have any examples?
for viewing .fli movie files (good for lossless compression of easily
encoded (eg png and gif files) animations, as long as you have plenty
of diskspace, doesn't need much CPU for decoding, and can be played
back at whatever desired rate) in an external xanim process with my
required flags:
\usepackage[screen,panelleft,code,paneltoc,sectionbreak]{pdfscreen}
%this is what I use - but you can probably get away with just href, or
%hyper or whatever it is (pdscreen imports the requisit module)
\href{file:/home/office/tconnors/fiducial/pview.fli}
add in ~/.mailcap:
application/fli;/home/office/tconnors/magellanic/xanimview %s
add in ~/.mime.types:
application/fli fli
and ~/magellanic/xanimview is:
xanim +o +Zp0 +Zpe +Zr +j50 $@
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Re: How hard would this be?(Learning LaTex)
Rich [EMAIL PROTECTED] said on Sun, 27 Jun 2004 23:04:19 +0100: Someone told me today at lunch that what with my wierd obsession, as he called it, to perhaps go without a gui(X), I should try that latex thingie. My buddy is a real wordmaster. LOL. I did some reading up on it; it's interesting. I never knew that you could do all that with no window system. Does anyone here use it on a regular basis, and if so, how hard is it to use, setup, print, etc? I'm having thoughts of perhaps writing papers this semester in emacs and if this thing... Well, let's just say I'm trying to have an open mind about things. I'm trying not to summarily dismiss thing just because I don't know what they are, or, are not familiar with them. I used LaTeX way back in 1991 and found it pretty easy to learn and use. The results blew the pants off anything else at the time, and I suspect would still blow the pants off anything windoes could muster today. OK, it's not WYSIWYG but the results are very professional. I'm using it for all my papers, my thesis, and I used it for a talk I did last week, and a talk I will be doing later this week - look at pdfscreen. Pdfscreen is *purty*. Looks far nicer than powerpoint, in my humble opinion. -- TimC -- http://astronomy.swin.edu.au/staff/tconnors/ cat ~/.signature CPU time limit exceeded (core dumped) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How hard would this be?(Learning LaTex)
Rich [EMAIL PROTECTED] said on Sun, 27 Jun 2004 23:04:19 +0100:
I used LaTeX way back in 1991 and found it pretty easy to learn and use. The
results blew the pants off anything else at the time, and I suspect would
still blow the pants off anything windoes could muster today. OK, it's not
WYSIWYG but the results are very professional.
Oh, and:
ppower4 (for incremental build of pages in presentations)
{X,}emacs: preview-mode (for wysiwyg formulae)
(never really got it to work for me in xemacs)
from \usepackage{pdfscreen}, you can launch external programs via href
links (which I am going to do for launching an interactive movie:
google for latex with ~/.mailcap and ~/.mime.types)
There was one other item here I wanted to include, but have forgotten...
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Re: Pros/Cons Kde vs Gnome?
William Ballard [EMAIL PROTECTED] said on Fri, 18 Jun 2004 21:58:38 -0700: On Sat, Jun 19, 2004 at 02:31:33PM +1000, Tim Connors wrote: A transistor dissipates heat when it is in the process of switching on or off - when it is fully on or fully off, there is very little current flowing. Which is partly why modern CPUs run so hot - because they switch so fast (the other reason is that there are so many more transistors -- but of course they are smaller too). My computer is overclocked with a variable speed cpu fan, an open side panel, and a great big box fan up against the edge. I don't have A/C (you don't really need it where I live except about 1 week/year). Most of the time I can turn the CPU fan down and leave the box fan off. But if I'm compiling or playing games, I have to turn the fans way up! I even connect the 240/110v switch up to the PSU fan (making sure to leave the PSU in 240v mode :), and turn it off when I want to sleep. I just hope that I rememeber to turn it back on before I start up a CPU intensive job, otherwise cooked transistors make the place smell bad. -- TimC -- http://astronomy.swin.edu.au/staff/tconnors/ That [Tim-Tam] would be the Classic. Not to be confused with the Chocolate, Chocolate, Chocolate, and Double Chocolate flavour. (Personally, I prefer Cadbury's Doubles myself. Tim Tams don't taste enough of chocolate.) -- Faceless Man on ARK -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Which Spam Block List to use for a network?
Russell Coker [EMAIL PROTECTED] said on Sat, 19 Jun 2004 19:54:55 +1000: On Sat, 19 Jun 2004 18:04, Adam Funk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Saturday 19 June 2004 07:50, Russell Coker wrote: By far the most false-positive entries I have had are from postmaster.rfc-ignorant.org and abuse.rfc-ignorant.org. The That's because rfc-ignorant.org's lists aren't about spamming. They are about domains that fail to conform to certain RFCs. (Although I disagree with their listing of *.uk on the grounds that the UK registry allows people to withhold their private contact details from whois.) Haven't they always allowed to be fake anyway? Isn't that how spammers get away with spamming in the US? They also list all of Australia for the same reason as listing the UK. It seems that whois is not worth much any more. And all of our national monopoly^Wcarrier are in some other blacklists, because they are not so prompt in dealing with spam. Unfortunately, what does every ISP use as an upstream? -- TimC -- http://astronomy.swin.edu.au/staff/tconnors/ Never trust a man who can count to 1,023 on his fingers. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Pros/Cons Kde vs Gnome?
Hendrik Boom [EMAIL PROTECTED] said on Sat, 19 Jun 2004 08:10:59 -0400: On Sat, Jun 19, 2004 at 02:31:33PM +1000, Tim Connors wrote: If the only process running is the idle process, doing hlt() instructions in a loop, then there are bugger all transistors doing anything, so less power gets consumed. AFAIK, all modern i386 (AMD, Intel, etc) CPUs at least have a htl() instruction. I run a dual-boot Debian/Windows ME system. It overheats when running Windows, but not when running Debian. Ny tech told me that's because Windows ME idles in a wait loop, but Linux uses a halt instruction. Jeez, I thought they had fixed that by 98SE or so. Must not have... -- TimC -- http://astronomy.swin.edu.au/staff/tconnors/ Keyboard Not Found: Press F1 to Continue -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Pros/Cons Kde vs Gnome?
Daniel B. [EMAIL PROTECTED] said on Fri, 18 Jun 2004 10:22:43 -0400: Micha Feigin wrote: ... and they do require more cpu, eye candy takes cpu power to draw (either real cpu or graphic card cpu, either way, battery power). What fraction of CPUs these days can switch to low-power mode when idling and what fraction use the same amount of power regardless of whether they're idling or executing instructions? For the latter question: none. A transistor dissipates heat when it is in the process of switching on or off - when it is fully on or fully off, there is very little current flowing. Which is partly why modern CPUs run so hot - because they switch so fast (the other reason is that there are so many more transistors -- but of course they are smaller too). So, if a programming is sitting there spinning, then depending on what it's doing (in order: maybe rendering millions of polygons on the video chip, maybe doing FPU, reading and writing to RAM (this involves lots of cache action, and talking on the external bus, which presumably requires far more current that what is involved internally within the CPU), or just sitting on a busyloop), then there are going to be varying amount of transistors switching. If the only process running is the idle process, doing hlt() instructions in a loop, then there are bugger all transistors doing anything, so less power gets consumed. AFAIK, all modern i386 (AMD, Intel, etc) CPUs at least have a htl() instruction. -- TimC -- http://astronomy.swin.edu.au/staff/tconnors/ VBScript is designed to be a secure programming environment. It lacks various commands that can be potentially damaging if used in a malicious manner. This added security is critical in enterprise solutions. -- support.microsoft.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Login Shell/Profile: Stop the Madness
Christian Riedel [EMAIL PROTECTED] said on Thu, 17 Jun 2004 18:28:54 +0200: Hi, On 17.06.2004 15:40, Freivald, Joseph A, GVSOL wrote: /etc/X11/Xsession.d cat 98login-shell-settings # Debian specific environment settings source /etc/environment # Global settings just like for login shells source /etc/profile This does the job quite well. And people who dont want a login-shell when starting X simply dont install the script. In my oppinion this should comfort both sides. Although, I hope you never do this on a machine you sysadmin where you have other people using it. I have to contend with a stupid SuSE system at work where the /etc/profile* scripts are so absolutely full of cruft (and cruft that actually sets undesirable behaviour in some thing - I think the LESS environment variable was set to something about 80 columns long) that they take quite some time to execute. Not only that, they don't care about overriding variables that are already set -- I start up my xterms with bash as a login shell, because I want ~/.bash_logout to be executed (it would be quite nice if bash had a ~/.bash_exit file that was executed analagously to ~/.bashrc instead of ~/.bash_profile), and then I have to unset everything that SuSE just set for me. The worst thing about all this, is the big warning banner at the top of /etc/profile: # /etc/profile for SuSE Linux # # PLEASE DO NOT CHANGE /etc/profile. There are chances that your changes # will be lost during system upgrades. Instead use /etc/profile.local for # your local settings, favourite global aliases, VISUAL and EDITOR # variables, etc ... What kind of absolutely broken stupid system has a file that can't be overridden by the non-priveleged user full of unweildy amounts of settings, and then doesn't let the sysadmin remove the cruft, threatening to reinstate it upon an upgrade? Of course, /etc/profile -- that file that can't be overridden -- decides to source everything in /etc/profile.d/* - which are all installed by all the packages installed on the system - another thing that can't be overriden by non-priveleged users. I'm afraid this seems to correlate well to the quality of the rest of SuSE though -- pity I have to use it :( The correct place to put in all of this cruft that not everybody will want is in the skeleton directory, so they can remove or edit the files once they are installed in their home direcory. I tried to suggest this to SuSE, but alas my bugreport of course went completely unnoticed. -- TimC -- http://astronomy.swin.edu.au/staff/tconnors/ Q: Vodka, barbeque, pizza, beer - which is essential for the post-modern coder? Dependink on how you mean? Liquid, solid or gas? -- Pitr/User Friendly -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Login Shell/Profile: Stop the Madness
On Thu, 17 Jun 2004, Michael B Allen wrote: Although, I hope you never do this on a machine you sysadmin where you have other people using it. I have to contend with a stupid SuSE system at work where the /etc/profile* scripts are so absolutely full of cruft Well we're not talking about SuSE. Debian /etc/profile set's PATH and PS1 and that's it. What I am saying, is if you make Debian go down the SuSE path, there will be pissed off people. But at lesat Debian doesn't unconditionally overwrite config files, so it won't be all bad. (and cruft that actually sets undesirable behaviour in some thing - I think the LESS environment variable was set to something about 80 columns long) that they take quite some time to execute. Not only that, they don't care about overriding variables that are already set -- I start up my xterms with bash as a login shell Then it's ironic that you complain about inefficencies in /etc/profile because starting all of your xterm's as login shells will source the /etc/profile and ~/.bash_profile every single time whereas doing it once Yes, but as a non-priveleged user, I am capable of modifying my startup scripts to not reset certain variables if a certain environment variable is already set. I can't do that when /etc/profile unconditionally overwrites *everything*. when you actually *login* will allow all shells to simply inherit what was already set. The correct place to put in all of this cruft that not everybody will want is in the skeleton directory, so they can remove or edit the files once they are installed in their home direcory. I tried to suggest this to SuSE, but alas my bugreport of course went completely unnoticed. And with good reason. A good sysadmin doesn't force the responsibility of administering the system to the users. Anything like JAVA_HOME, http_proxy, etc belongs in /etc/profile or on SuSE /etc/profile.local. A good sysadmin knows what /etc/skel is for. If they make a change to a locally installed variable, the user's startup scripts can source a *small* file somewhere in /etc/ -- eg /etc/bash.localrc. (or simply, as in my undergrad days, symlink each users file to /etc/skel/..., and if the user wants to change those files, it then becomes their responsibility if any infrastructure changes require changes of environment variables. People who leave things alone get changes automatically) -- TimC -- http://astronomy.swin.edu.au/staff/tconnors/ Heisenberg may have been here. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Pros/Cons Kde vs Gnome?
CaT [EMAIL PROTECTED] said on Tue, 15 Jun 2004 16:14:37 +1000: On Mon, Jun 14, 2004 at 02:50:43PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: s. keeling wrote: I gave up on both of those; they're equally uncontrollable, and far too fat to leave any room for actual applications to run. ymmv. Could've fooled me. KDE + Squid + Addzapper + other stuff... [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~} free total used free sharedbuffers cached Mem:775556 767612 7944 0 131368 392300 -/+ buffers/cache: 243944 531612 Swap: 655344 26600 628744 531Mb's not enough? Hmph. Gee, the biggest workstation I have access to only has 1GB ram. Aren't you lucky? It's more of a case of 'Isn't 240Mb (or 200 cos of squid) a bit much for a pretty desktop?' ;) Especially if you only have 256MB ram (think: anything more than 1 year old - ie, what the majority of us own). The day some idiot breaks X irreperably for Fvwm users in favour of some fancy new shiny crap, is the day I leave Linux. -- TimC -- http://astronomy.swin.edu.au/staff/tconnors/ cat /kat/ n. A furry keyboard cover -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Pros/Cons Kde vs Gnome?
Simon Kitching [EMAIL PROTECTED] said on Tue, 15 Jun 2004 18:45:51 +1200: On Tue, 2004-06-15 at 18:14, CaT wrote: On Mon, Jun 14, 2004 at 02:50:43PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~} free total used free sharedbuffers cached Mem:775556 767612 7944 0 131368 392300 -/+ buffers/cache: 243944 531612 Swap: 655344 26600 628744 531Mb's not enough? Hmph. It's more of a case of 'Isn't 240Mb (or 200 cos of squid) a bit much for a pretty desktop?' ;) It's always real hard to measure actual memory usage of an app. This 240MB is presumably actually the memory taken by the kernel plus disk cache + all sorts of other stuff too, like SSH servers. No - 240 is just apps - read the `free` output again. 400MB cache+130MB other-cache; ssh servers etc take up about 20MB typically. My box uses typically 64MB ram (running fvwm and emacs - unforuntalty once you start adding bloated crap like mozilla and soffice, it gets filled rather rapidly). But assuming all 240MB are used by the desktop, thats what- US$50? I'm willing to pay that for the chance to run a pretty desktop for the lifetime of that PC. And I live in a country where the US$ is about twice that value in real terms. I'd rather use that money on functionality rather than prettyness. Then again, fvwm looks good once you customise it (I really wish the default setup was at least more function and/or pretty than it is). Further, fvwm is damn quick and lightweight. Of course, I can't buy any more RAM for my machines, because no one makes that type anymore. Doesn't satisfy the sheep who like to go out and buy the latest and greatest, because their software of choice gets more and more bloated. Of course some people live places where that *is* an unacceptable amount of money. Too right it's unacceptable. (If you hadn't noticed, I really get pissed of when people add crap to my favourite programs at the expense of making it less usable - netscape used to be a nice program - but now that it includes the kitcen sink and washing machine, I can barely watch it crawl on my 5 year old computer -- and yes, I have disabled all that theming crap). -- TimC -- http://astronomy.swin.edu.au/staff/tconnors/ Entropy requires no maintenance. -- Markoff Chaney -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT Why GB English is different] Re: Mozilla firefox en-gb
Tristan Mills [EMAIL PROTECTED] said on Fri, 04 Jun 2004 15:53:23 +0100: Then of course American English developed its own idioms and useage patterns independently from those developed in the UK (eg pissed: in the UK it means drunk, in the US it means angry). And in Australia, you have to grok it from context. Damn you both! -- TimC -- http://astronomy.swin.edu.au/staff/tconnors/ The application did not fail successfully because of an error -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: TMDA and other challenge-response systems considered harmful
Monique Y. Mudama [EMAIL PROTECTED] said on Wed, 2 Jun 2004 09:24:20 -0600: On 2004-06-02, Tim Connors penned: If challenge response ever becomes ubiquitous, then spammers will trivially be able to verify the responses without providing their own email address. They will simply do what the currently do - open up millions of backdoors on cracked computers, go through the address books to look for email addresses, then send using a From: of the current computer. An MTA running via the backdoor will pick up an CR attempts, respond to them, and voila, send spam to a verified email address. At least that method of circumvention is a serious legal offense ... Spammers already break so many laws[1] that if if was easy to catch them (and it is[2]), something would be done about them, if law enforcement cared at all. [1] In Australia, the standard banner when logging in is: * This service is for authorised clients only * * WARNING: It is a criminal offence to: * * i. Obtain access to data without authority * * (Penalty 2 years imprisonment) * * ii Damage, delete, alter or insert data without authority * * (Penalty 10 years imprisonment)* These laws has been used successfully against someone who broke into a series of supercomputers last year. It is well documented that spammers break into millions of computers via virii, and use said resources illegally. Each one of those millions of offenses gains you 2 to 10 years depending on what they do. Then there's the trade practices acts (most of the wares they sell most certainly wouldn't be approved for selling by legitimate means), the securities laws (for the pump and dump schemes), etc. [2] We all know the address and identity of Alan Ralsky. Why do law enforcement follow up on this? Because they couldn't give a flying fsck[3]? [3] And this I don't understand. In America, isn't money everything? Isn't also big business losing tens of billions per year to spam? Why don't they care enough to apply laws that are already in place? -- TimC -- http://astronomy.swin.edu.au/staff/tconnors/ Error: Furry Pointer Exception -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: TMDA and other challenge-response systems considered harmful
richard lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] said on Tue, 1 Jun 2004 12:36:59 -0400: On Tuesday 01 June 2004 08:29, Tom Allison wrote: [...] They are also a pain in the neck when you get a CR sent to a mailing list. But most importantly, and this is from personal experience here, they are not very useful. I played with a CR mechanism for a few months on my own mail server and found that I was severely defeated by one simple mechanism. The spammers would fire off their mail and auto-respond to my CR. That created an entirely automated system to whitelist their spam into my server. Wow, what nice spammers you meet: give you real addresses. Mine all use fake sending addresses, so would never receive any challenge I sent. If challenge response ever becomes ubiquitous, then spammers will trivially be able to verify the responses without providing their own email address. They will simply do what the currently do - open up millions of backdoors on cracked computers, go through the address books to look for email addresses, then send using a From: of the current computer. An MTA running via the backdoor will pick up an CR attempts, respond to them, and voila, send spam to a verified email address. -- TimC -- http://astronomy.swin.edu.au/staff/tconnors/ The thing I love most about deadlines is the wonderful WHOOSHing sound they make as they go past - DNA -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT Why GB English is different] Re: Mozilla firefox en-gb
William Ballard [EMAIL PROTECTED] said on Wed, 26 May 2004 22:34:19 -0700: Prolly something to do with the commies :-) I didn't even know In God We Trust was added to the money in the 50s, just thought it was always like that. No doubt the commies. Incidentally, do American's associate more than just communism to their concept of Commies? America seems to be ver disproportionately against the theory of communism, which in my opinion isn't anywhere near as bad as it is made out to be - only that the implementations of it have so far been rife with corruption - much the same as the only implementations of democracy/capitalism so far have also been rife with corruption. -- TimC -- http://astronomy.swin.edu.au/staff/tconnors/ Error: Furry Pointer Exception -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT Why GB English is different] Re: Mozilla firefox en-gb
cr [EMAIL PROTECTED] said on Tue, 25 May 2004 19:50:18 +1200: And in English (I mean 'British English', though that term always strikes me as tautological if not oxymoronic) Don't get me started on wenglish. I was about to submit a very angry bugreport that my dictionary changed to American spelling after an upgrade, before discovering there is a wenglish-british package. I still think I should submit a bugreport saying that wenglish is stupidly named - it should not be a dummy package that depends on wenglish-american at all. Maybe wenglish-american | wenglish-british, so it doesn't try to install the american one by default upon an upgrade. Bah, fucking Webster. -- TimC -- http://astronomy.swin.edu.au/staff/tconnors/ So now that the car is gone, wanna shag? -- James -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT Why GB English is different] Re: Mozilla firefox en-gb
William Ballard [EMAIL PROTECTED] said on Wed, 26 May 2004 10:47:35 -0700: On Wed, May 26, 2004 at 06:36:48PM +0100, Oliver Elphick wrote: Fourscore and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this That's poetical language. Plus, it's half the time of the way back. Do they teach you that saying two hundred thirty seven is wrong? Do they actively explicitly encourage you to say the and? Well, I gues they discourage it by only teaching the other way. There are many, many, many cultural things that can't be explained. Our teachers put it in the same category as saying um, like, you know... the sign of a lazy mind that has to pause for minute to think what it's going to say next. As you found out, the way Americans say it was only changed half way back to when your fathers set up the country, ie., it was you that changed the language - everyone else uses the and in numbers. *I* put it down to Americans being lazy, not us being lazy for pausing a sentence - it is simply how we and everyone else who speaks non- Americanized language, have always spoken. Along the same lines as why did fscking Webster change the dictionary to make words simpler? Because he thought Americans were too dumn and/or lazy on average to understand how to spell the slightly more complicated words. Maybe he thought they weren't capable of adding an and in numbers as well? -- TimC -- http://astronomy.swin.edu.au/staff/tconnors/ VBScript is designed to be a secure programming environment. It lacks various commands that can be potentially damaging if used in a malicious manner. This added security is critical in enterprise solutions. -- support.microsoft.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Yahoo's Antispam proposal
Brett Carrington [EMAIL PROTECTED] said on Thu, 20 May 2004 21:39:35 +: On Thu, May 20, 2004 at 05:25:24PM -0400, Bojan Baros wrote: And about the idea that Bill Gates floated out there, about solving a computer puzzle that would require 10 seconds or so of CPU time to send the email... Spammers already use distributed computing (some computers are doing it willingly, others not quite so) to send out spam. This would not create a huge problem if you have plenty of CPU cycles to spare. Gates' idea is being put to use every day on this very mailing list. Notice those GnuPG signatures lots of us seem to use? Try assigning higher non-spam scores to GnuPG signed messages. So spammers will simply write their own pgp signatures. After all, PGP only tells you that the person who signed the message was the one who wrote it. Unfortunately, PGP doesn't come with an evil-bit. Reemember, anything the anti-spam community can do, the spammers can do as well. We are very much fighting a losing battle, and only buy (with lots of effort if you want to change the way email works) small amounts of time. The only solution is education, but unforuntalely, 50% of the population are just too god damn fucking stupid to get it - witness the spam for some kind of drug with plenty of spelling errors, that advertises that the business is being shut down by the drugs administration, so get in quick. Who could possibly be so fucking stupid to respond to an ad like that? Unfortunately, enough people to make the whole business profitable. -- TimC -- http://astronomy.swin.edu.au/staff/tconnors/ } Is wrongest an actual word? } It's a perfectly cromulent word. Which, when used, embiggens us all. -- Jeff Ramsey, Steed and D. Joseph Creighton @ ASR -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Another shell scripting question
martin f krafft [EMAIL PROTECTED] said on Fri, 21 May 2004 01:39:55 +0200: --ikeVEW9yuYc//A+q Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable also sprach Martin McCormick [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2004.05.20.2126 += 0200]: Is it just more efficient in resources to use plain #! /bin/sh rather than bash? surely not. /bin/sh is generally linked to bash (... by default, that is). That's a rather Linux centric answer (and doesn't even apply to busybox like installations where /bin/sh is minimally posix-compliant). It's also possibly wrong, because when in sh mode (ie, invoked with $0 of sh), bash would disable certain features that could well lead to a faster executing code (probably not by much, if anything). -- TimC -- http://astronomy.swin.edu.au/staff/tconnors/ hey Beavis, we're segfaulting, heh heh heh, I know, Butthead, so let's SIGBUS from inside the handler, heh heh heh --Stephen J. Turnbull -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian, rpm and corporate world
Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] said on Mon, 17 May 2004 22:37:44 -0700: dircha [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'd venture to guess: We're sorry, but we can not presently justify the costs of maintaining a Debian port. Perhaps if one of our larger customers express an interest in it... So don't tollerate clueless vendors. Go find someone else. If you're going to spend money on software, why spend it on software that sucks? Because all software sucks. And if it doesn't the hardware sucks. And if *it* doesn't, then the firmware must surely suck. -- TimC -- http://astronomy.swin.edu.au/staff/tconnors/ The prolonged application of polysyllabic vocabulary infallibly exercises a deleterious influence on the fecundity of expression, rendering the ultimate tendancy apocryphal. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian, rpm and corporate world
On Tue, 18 May 2004, Paul Johnson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Tim Connors [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Because all software sucks. And if it doesn't the hardware sucks. And if *it* doesn't, then the firmware must surely suck. Debian. Because software doesn't have to suck. http://debian.org/ Sigh. woosh. http://www.faqs.org/docs/jargon/A/All-hardware-sucks-all-software-sucks.html -- TimC -- http://astronomy.swin.edu.au/staff/tconnors/ Can you keep your witty comments shorter dude? I can't make that my sig! --Hipatia -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: suddenly only root can login -- ANSWER
Richard Weil [EMAIL PROTECTED] said on Wed, 12 May 2004 12:51:32 -0700 (PDT): I found the solution in a posting to lkml from 1998. Somehow the permissions on the / directory had changed to: rwxr-x--- They need to be: rwxr-xr-x Any ideas on what would cause the permissions on the / directory to spontaneously change? I don't know, but I had /tmp spontaneously change the other day, which is really impressive, because it is on a tmpfs filesystem. I have a feeling I did an install of a package recently. Perhaps dpkg stuffed up? I won't report a bug because I simply don't have any details. I'll wait and see if it becomes reproducable. -- TimC -- http://astronomy.swin.edu.au/staff/tconnors/ When some other esteemed editor reposts this, it'll be the Periodic Periodic Table Table story, and I will be even happier. ;^) -- Emil Brink on /., about the periodic table table. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT Why GB English is different] Re: Mozilla firefox en-gb
William Ballard [EMAIL PROTECTED] said on Mon, 3 May 2004 15:03:41 -0700: On Mon, May 03, 2004 at 10:55:40PM +0100, Michael Graham wrote: Clive wrote: I can't answer your question but what does gb localisation will give you? I've installed firefox and haven't found any need for gb localisation - just curious ;) Not much to be honest, but it makes me cringe everytime I see a colour without a 'u' (note I expectly wrote that sentence so it never said color -- D'oh!!) I recently read a killer book about Syd Barrett, and it was so good I decided to scan and OCR it (in Windows, in MSWord). Spell checking an GB-english document using American-englsih spell checker is awful. Hundreds and hundreds of spelling errors, and grammar errors. I didn't realize how different our languages actually are until I ran a spell checker. If someone wants to fund me a time-machine, I will be very happy to go back and eliminate the problem - namely bloody Webster. -- TimC -- http://astronomy.swin.edu.au/staff/tconnors/ Hell - n. The current residence of Mr. Noah Webster, Lexicographer. (Ambrose Bierce, _The Devil's Dictionary_) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mozilla 1.7 rc1
hugo vanwoerkom [EMAIL PROTECTED] said on Sat, 01 May 2004 06:27:08 -0500: Hi! Mozilla 1.7 rc1 is out. It says for new features: Linux GTK2 builds have improved support for OS themes. Great. So when are they going to start improving the speed? Furffu. Fscking goddam fscking themes. -- TimC -- http://astronomy.swin.edu.au/staff/tconnors/ Cats are intended to teach us that not everything in nature has a function. You're saying cats are the opposite of bijectiveness? -- ST in RHOD -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cannot launch remote apps on X
Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] said on Thu, 22 Apr 2004 11:11:02 -0700: diego [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: El jue, 22-04-2004 a las 08:52, Paul Johnson escribi=F3: DO NOT USE XHOST! xhost is considered harmful, use google for a few trillion reasons why. Just use ssh -C -X to get displays over the network. Yes, but I only wanted a quick way of testing as this is a very private net (I'm the only user) behind a firewall. I don't trust in myself anyway hehehe. Even in that case, you really shouldn't bother with xhost. ssh takes care of all the hard stuff for you. ssh is simply the easiest, most reliable way to make a window display elsewhere when you're using X. Sometimes performace over a secured net makes more sense than the ease of running ssh vs xhost. ssh lacks a certain element of performance (compressed doubly slow - at least, for those of us who don't have anything faster than a 500MHz box) -- TimC -- http://astronomy.swin.edu.au/staff/tconnors/ This is a dirty hack! It might burn your PC and kill your cat! -- mpg123.c source -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cannot launch remote apps on X
Linux Nick [EMAIL PROTECTED] said on Thu, 22 Apr 2004 15:27:14 -0400: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --=_NextPart_000__01C4287E.4AEC3180 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sorry top poster for life, not scrolling all the way to the bottom to = get a reply I know what the previous email said and don=92t need to read it = again. =20 I admire that troll. Who woulda thunk you could top-post, post in some evil bastardised MS HTML, include gobs of untrimmed post following the message, and not developing enough clue to understand why people can both get along fine with not being swamped by pages of untrimmed text, and can bottom post at the same time -- it's not really that hard. -- TimC -- http://astronomy.swin.edu.au/staff/tconnors/ I like the US government, makes the Aussie one look less dumb and THAT is a pretty big effort. -- Craig Small -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: branding debian releases
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tom Massey) said on Thu, 15 Apr 2004 00:14:05 +1000: want the very latest and are willing to sacrifice stability. Or something like that. Explain what the release names mean more accurately, rather than use new names that will still need explanation. And one thing that really annoys me is how people misunderstand how *we* use the word stable, and the miscommunications that result. Before my hardware became dodgy on my home box, I was running unstable, with xfree/experimental. I had uptimes of 70-180 days. My unstable laptop stays up for hundreds of days (much better quality hardware, mainly because I can't tinker with it :), only going out when some fool unplugs the power while I am away, when I happen to be in suspend mode already. When most people refer to unstable, they mean it crashes, not that sometimes packages get a big finicky, and need manual intervention to fix. We mean the latter. I sometimes even get the feeling that experienced Debian people forget which stability they are referring to. Certainly, most of the people outside of debian, when I tell them to use testing/unstable if they want recent packages (after they complain about Debian's perceived tardiness), say they don't want a box that crashes on them all the time like Windows. I think *this* is the main cause of confusion with regards to the naming scheme, and I don't think many DDs realise this confusion exists. -- TimC -- http://astronomy.swin.edu.au/staff/tconnors/ I repeat myself when under stress. I repeat myself when under stress. I repeat myself when under stress. I repeat myself when under stress. I repeat myself when under stress. I repeat myself when under stress. I repeat myself when under stress. I repeat -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Emulating a dual monitor system over X?
Brent Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] said on Mon, 19 Apr 2004 11:56:02 -0700: Hello everyone. Like many on this list I'm sure, I end up being the recipient of old computers that friends and family unload on me every time the latest and greatest new thing comes out. A friend of mine just gave me (another) old laptop that he's not using anymore and I'm trying to figure out a use for this old beast so it doesn't end up another thing rotting away in a landfill. What I was wondering is if it is possible to slap a copy of debian stable on this thing, hook it up to my lan, and some how use this to emulate a second monitor for my workstation. I don't know if X has the ability to do this, but I think I remember reading that somebody has done this, but my googling has come up nill. Ideally, I imagine having the laptop sitting on my desk, and when I log on to my workstation, it would connect to the laptop, start X there and connect back to the workstation. Then the laptop would display another workspace of my desktop. Does anybody know if this is possible, and if so, how does one go about setting this up? Any links, experience, or anything would be great as I'm at a bit of a loss as where to start. DMX - distributed multihead X - emulates Xinerama over a network. Still not in Debian, despite a several year old request to package bug. I haven't tried it yet for this reason, remembering the pain of installing X myself one day, and realising that DMX is basically a forked X from the sounds of it (???) -- TimC -- http://astronomy.swin.edu.au/staff/tconnors/ All theoretical chemistry is really physics; and all theoretical chemists know it. -- Richard P. Feynman -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Xinerama across Network
Gregory Seidman [EMAIL PROTECTED] said on Sun, 18 Apr 2004 12:53:16 -0400: On Sun, Apr 18, 2004 at 05:16:10PM +0100, Rus Foster wrote: } Hi all, } I'm looking for a way to see if its possible to have real Xinerama } across the network some how. What I'm talking about is more than x2x or } VNC in that if I say started something on 10.0.0.1:0.0 I could drag the } entire window onto 192.168.0.1:1.0. Does anyone know if this is possible? There is no X-based way to do it. You can probably fake it with a Has *no one* heard of DMX (Distributed multihead X), let alone used it? Furffu! combination of x2x and VNC, however. You would have to run a VNC X Or xmove, however, it is... erm... unflexible in usage. You have to start all your applications on the special display, if you ever want the capability of moving them. Perhaps it surfices to start your window manager on the special display, but that will be somewhat slow. Also, beware the dragons. Hope your network is reliable :) (I gave up the plan of starting my window manager on my laptop from my desktop, because I was unplugging the laptop too often). -- TimC -- http://astronomy.swin.edu.au/staff/tconnors/ If it weren't for C, we'd be writing programs in BASI, PASAL, and OBOL. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Kernel 2.6.5 and Nvidia driver
Frédéric Dreier [EMAIL PROTECTED] said on Thu, 08 Apr 2004 09:55:20 +0200: That's to be expected. It's the framebuffer. It exists because it works better for some people. Actually I though it was the way to get an higher resolution console. not really a 'must' but console looks better :-) It would also be useful for those of us who have fixed freq high resolution large monitors. Except that I still can't get framebuffer to work for me. If I am debugging a problem before X starts, I have to bring in a small monitor and plug it in. Painful. -- TimC -- http://astronomy.swin.edu.au/staff/tconnors/ I will never let my schooling get in the way of my education. --Mark Twain -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
