Re: Sarge Installer and DHCP
Am Montag, 29. März 2004 11:15 schrieb Krikket: > [...] > Googling hasn't been much use (finding Windows-related stuff...), Didn't you include "Linux" in the list of words to search for? > [...] Wolfgang
Re: Goodbye stable?
Am Sonntag, 28. März 2004 20:45 schrieb Micha Feigin: > [...] > > What about security? I'm online all the time my computer is on. Are the > > sarge versions of iptables and ssh stable enough to give me good > > security? If you have a non-Debian distribution, you may get quick > > security updates, with sarge, you don't get them. > > Then add the security entry to apt. I think its > deb http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main > (I am using unstable so I don't think that line gets much use in my > sources.list). Any security updates get ported to testing on an > expedited basis as compared to regular packages. Hey, I didn't know that there was something like security updates for testing. > [...] Wolfgang
Re: Goodbye stable?
Am Sonntag, 28. März 2004 18:40 schrieb Alexis Huxley: > > I'm asking myself what the impacts of this are? Will Debian lose a lot > > of users since the current stable release contains software which is > > somtimes terrible old? What are the reasons for sarge taking so long to > > become stable? Were there any such release problems with the previous > > releases of Debian? Is it desirable for me to keep at Debian if I don't > > get a relatively current system? > > Commercial impetus to get the next release on the shelves ASAP is > *never* a consideration with Debian. Consequently, when a release > does come, it has had more time to be tested and will be more free > of bugs than other distributions. > > Sure, there *are* large gaps between releases, but it's swings and > roundabouts: given the choose between support for the newest software > and hardware, or stability and fewer bugs, then I choose for myself > (and would choose for my company given the chance), Debian precisely > for these reasons. Were the gaps between releases ever so large as the gap between woody and sarge? > Alexis Wolfgang
Re: Goodbye stable?
Am Sonntag, 28. März 2004 19:16 schrieb Colin Watson: > On Sun, Mar 28, 2004 at 06:13:19PM +0200, Wolfgang Jeltsch wrote: > [...] > > When is the installer expected to be ready? > > There will be a schedule posted to debian-devel-announce in the next > couple of days. Thanks for the info. > Colin Watson Wolfgang
Re: Goodbye stable?
Am Sonntag, 28. MÃrz 2004 19:07 schrieb Colin Watson: > [...] > > I fear that sarge is too unstable for my daily work, and I've heard really > > bad things about debian-installer. > > You should test it for yourself and send reports, please, rather than > going on really bad things you hear. I refused to try debian-installer because I don't wanted to spend to much time with coping with bugs and writing bug reports. "Debian â because it *must* work." ;-) No, I'm not of those persons who don't like to write bug reports at all; it's just that my work has priority over bug reporting. But maybe I will give sarge a try soon and see. > [...] Wolfgang
Re: Goodbye stable?
Am Sonntag, 28. März 2004 19:06 schrieb Colin Watson: > [...] > The release team is likely to remove unimportant packages with > release-critical bugs once the installer is ready. When is the installer expected to be ready? > [...] Wolfgang
Re: Goodbye stable?
Am Sonntag, 28. März 2004 19:04 schrieben Sie: > [...] > You don't really run workstations directly on the internet do you? I do. > You might consider getting yourself some kind of hardware based > firewall/NAT box. Either buy an appliance, of cobble together a PC for > ip-cop or similar. Isn't it overdone to buy a firewall/NAT box for just connecting your home PC to the internet? What's wrong with just disallowing nearly every incoming connection via iptables? > [...] Wolfgang
Re: Goodbye stable?
Am Sonntag, 28. März 2004 18:32 schrieb Jody Grafals: > I think for the most part many running debian on the desktop are already > using sarge or sid, and I must say I am run several servers with woody, > I like it just the way it is, thank you very much. I enjoy the stability of woody also on the desktop but have to admit that the KDE I use is a backported one and it runs quit stable, too. I fear that sarge is too unstable for my daily work, and I've heard really bad things about debian-installer. > [...] > So if your just running a desktop I would not let the bugs scar you away > from Sarge or Sid there still satiable compared to the competition. What about security? I'm online all the time my computer is on. Are the sarge versions of iptables and ssh stable enough to give me good security? If you have a non-Debian distribution, you may get quick security updates, with sarge, you don't get them. > If your running a server the latest is not always the greatest, debian > woody is a great server OS, as is. I agree with you in part. The problem is that you sometimes need newer software also for a server. > [...] > Jody Wolfgang
Re: Goodbye stable?
Am Sonntag, 28. März 2004 18:25 schrieb Colin Watson: > On Sun, Mar 28, 2004 at 04:46:27PM +0200, Wolfgang Jeltsch wrote: > > I just discovered the recent increase of the numer of release-critical > > bugs and was shocked. The RCB diagramm seems to suggest that sarge will > > hardly ever be released as stable. > > Don't bother trying to guess release timelines based on the number of > release-critical bugs. Do you mean, things are better than they look from the release-critical bugs page? Or just that the release-critical bug counters are not very good sources for guessing the release date? Is there a special reason for the recent increase of the RCB counter or was it just by accident? > Colin Watson Wolfgang
Goodbye stable?
Hello, I just discovered the recent increase of the numer of release-critical bugs and was shocked. The RCB diagramm seems to suggest that sarge will hardly ever be released as stable. I'm asking myself what the impacts of this are? Will Debian lose a lot of users since the current stable release contains software which is somtimes terrible old? What are the reasons for sarge taking so long to become stable? Were there any such release problems with the previous releases of Debian? Is it desirable for me to keep at Debian if I don't get a relatively current system? I hope to hear good opinions, no flamewars and no apologetic. Wolfgang -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
