[Debian Doc page lags behind] Re: Newbie Resources Was -- Re: Debian book for complete newbie?
On Thu, Jun 13, 2002 at 02:16:33PM -0400, David Teague wrote: > > Hi > > > I remember Dale (aka Dwarf) Sheetz's the Debian > Linux User's Guide. ISBN 0-9659575-1-9. published > by Linux Press in 1998. Hi- Yes, it's updated. Look at the previous posts. By the way, why is the www.debian.org/doc/ page so bad? The Dwarf's guide isn't there, the Debian Quick Reference ain't in there... And all the other URL that came up in these last posts...Why? Why not even a pointer? Henry _ Micro$oft-Free Human 100% Debian GNU/Linux KMFMS "Bring the genome to the people! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.debian.org - www.debian-br.cipsga.org.br - www.debian-rs.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian book for complete newbie?
On Wed, Jun 12, 2002 at 12:22:23AM -0700, Karsten M. Self wrote: > > _Running Linux_ (at the link above) is still probably the single best > book covering the topic. > I agree. Although it's not about Debian, if I were to buy one book, this would be it. There's an outdated book specifically about Debian at O'Reilley, but I can't remember the name. Also, read the APT-Howto And teach him to read newsgroups (I'm assuming this guy *likes* this stuff ;-)) Cheers, Henry _ Micro$oft-Free Human 100% Debian GNU/Linux KMFMS "Bring the genome to the people! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.debian.org - www.debian-br.cipsga.org.br - www.debian-rs.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian is not GNU [at least current GNU]
On Tue, Jun 11, 2002 at 07:01:47AM -0700, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote: > > On 11-Jun-2002 Dan Jacobson wrote: > > [Debian's default installation gives 2 year old emacs and 6 year old > > non-GNU awk, while sporting the "GNU/Linux" branding] > > > > Summary: Dan says the debian install process should at least > > ask/inform the user that he is not getting current official GNU tools > > despite the GNU on the box, and in some cases [awk] he isn't even > > getting a GNU tool. > > > (cut) > as to the emacs version 20 was out a LONG time I still know emacs users who > haven't upgraded. For most new users emacs20 is just as good as 21. The two > large changes in 21 for newbies were a better X front end and console font > locking. Not to mention the fact that the books people will buy MIGHT support > 20 many are still for 19. Hi- I guess the guy that was bitching about Emacs20 didn't read the Antinews on his Emacs21 LOL :-)) Cheers Henry _ Micro$oft-Free Human 100% Debian GNU/Linux KMFMS "Bring the genome to the people! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.debian.org - www.debian-br.cipsga.org.br - www.debian-rs.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: this post is not off-topic
Em Qua, 2002-06-05 às 08:43, Ivo Wever escreveu: > you wrote: > >Ivo Wever wrote: > > > What happens when the amount of developers falls below the critical > > > level? > > > >That's certainly not the direction in which things are going. A few > >people have left loudly, that's true, but there's also lots of new > >blood, and plenty of experienced developers are sticking around for the > >long term. > That's beautiful :) > > On a related matter: if a number of developers were at odds with part > of the current policy, how would they be able to try and change the policy > regarding that issue (supposing that if the majority of developers, including > those with expertise regarding the subject concur, something would be > changed)? > > I ask this question because the decentralised structure of the project > obscures the decision proces The decision process is in no way "obscure". I have to disagree on that. You have to read more about it... Henry [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Debian: abandon ship?
Em Qua, 2002-06-05 às 18:41, Brooks R. Robinson escreveu: > | Uh huh. And get cracked tomorrow because security updates are *not* > | being made for woody at this time. There is a list of approximately a > | dozen *known* security problems with woody that will be dealt with > | *later*. Updates are not propogating from sid to woody at all right > | now, even for security reasons. Woody is probably at its most insecure > | point in the development process right now. > | > | Do not "Just do an apt-get dist upgrade and get it over with" unless you > | have no reason to care about security or are willing to do security > | investigations and fixes on your own. > > It was not my intention to lead users astray, my intention was to enlighten > people to the fact that testing is, for the most part, not going to change. > The security fixes are flowing into sid. It's not a big trick to get notice > from security-announce and grab a few pacakges from sid in the mean time. > I'll grant that it's not as easy, but doable. > > Farewell, > > Brooks > Hi- At a bare * minimum * there should be some policy to * advise * and * guide * Woody users to do what you propose above. I've never seen that...No clear * guidance *. And _please_ don't flame me with the usual: "well, it's your responsibility, etc, etc, Debian is not for everyone, etc. etc, blah, blah". But this is what happens when developers only see things from their standpoint. I mean this in the sense that they're more security savvy than the usual user. BTW, I would like to say here that I'm not "trashing" developers - no way. But how many are really proficient in security matters? Personally, I've known developers who are lax in security issues...Let alone common users... Henry [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: this post is not off-topic
Em Ter, 2002-06-04 às 11:05, Manoj Srivastava escreveu:
> >>"David" == David Wright <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> David> I'll ignore the ad hominem. How about a poll at debianplanet?
> David> I guess you're confident that the second option would only get
> David> 2 votes.
>
> And what purpose would such a poll serve? I sure am not going
> to make a major change in what I work on based on what some poll out
> there in webland has to say (especially on a site that has always
> managed to turn me off and has persistently been a disincentive to
> work on Debian).
>
> I reiterate: people who volunteer work on what they want to
> work. I feel no obligation to hop when a group of users yell jump; I
> see no earthly reason why I should be expected to do so.
>
> manoj
>
Manoj-
For one thing, it would be good to know what the users think. Sure,
Debian isn't for "users" in the strict sense. Ideally, everyone has to
contribute to Debian. It is only that not that many effectively can...
Those who are able, like you seem to claim to be, sometimes get caught
up in these self-righteous arguments and that attitude. And then, ad
hominem attacks...
But what is the rationale, truly, of synching the releases of the 11
architectures? There has _got_ to be a better argument then the ones
you've given ("hey, this is Debian, don't like it, screw you").
When you consider the current sistuation in the GNU/Linux world (United
Linux, for instance), it's immediately clear that Debian is the only
true distro out there. In that context, it is important to get releases
for i386 and PPC out sooner than later.
Don't you think?
Regs
Henry
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Re: this post is not off-topic
Em Seg, 2002-06-03 às 17:25, David Wright escreveu: > > > s/not\s+//; > > I appreciate the good-natured jibe. I didn't think the analogy to the > Debian release process was so far-fetched, but it appears that it is. > > I never understood people who claim that to relase Woody for mainstream > architectures (essentially i386 and PPC) before releasing it for > non-mainstream architectures would make the non-mainstream architectures > "second class citizens." > Hi- It's funny that you posted this today. I was thinking the same thing this afternoon. I found no reasonable justification to have to way for all platforms. Why can't they be on a different time frame? Would this in some way disorganize the way developers work? If yes, how so? I don't uderstand. I wish some developer here would post the arguments. Thanks. Henry [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: this post is not off-topic
Em Ter, 2002-06-04 às 19:18, Colin Watson escreveu: > On Tue, Jun 04, 2002 at 02:05:55PM -0700, Paul Scott wrote: > > How much are those of us who have been using woody and constantly > > updating and upgrading all this time actually missing? What will the > > move to stable actually get us that we don't already have? > > Security updates (and advisories, etc.) will be the primary change. > > -- > Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Hi- Shouldn't Debian's security policy (if there is one...) be revised? You can't use Potato for a desktop (to outdated) and you remain in this security limbo... Regs, Henry [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Security Updates Sources
On Fri, May 31, 2002 at 01:47:01PM +0100, Colin Watson wrote: > On Fri, May 31, 2002 at 01:57:17PM +0200, Jean-Charles Preaux wrote: > > Just a little question : > > is there a security updates sources for the woody release ? > > Not yet. There will be when it's released. In the mean time, what do the people got do to keep _safe_? The Woody people? TIA, Regs Henry [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Micro$oft-Free Human 100% Debian GNU/Linux KMFMS "Bring the genome to the people! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.debian.org - www.debian-br.cipsga.org.br - www.debian-rs.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: X server setup
Em Sex, 2002-05-31 às 02:33, Slootbeek, Jule S escreveu: > It means there are no screens found i guess, can't explain it any > better...i just don't know how to a make X find my screen...i have a RH > linux book that says to run Xconfigurator, but that program is not found > under Debian, neither is XF86Setup... > i'm just not sure how to get kde running now.. > > Jule > Hi- I can read _that_. That is not what I meant. What do "screens" mean in the general X window system context? I guess I wasn't coming accross in the right way. HTH.This is a very common error message. TIA Regs Henry > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org > Sent: 5/31/2002 1:32 AM > Subject: Re: X server setup > > On Fri, May 31, 2002 at 01:15:45AM -0400, Slootbeek, Jule S wrote: > > hey guys, > > whenever i try to start X i get this error: > > fatal Server Error: > > No Screens found. > > Hi- > > On a "me too" side note, I'd like to ask what is the *meaning* > of that error message? > > Thanks > > Regs > henry > > > _ > Micro$oft-Free Human 100% Debian GNU/Linux > KMFMS "Bring the genome to the people! > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > www.debian.org - www.debian-br.cipsga.org.br - www.debian-rs.org > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X server setup
On Fri, May 31, 2002 at 01:15:45AM -0400, Slootbeek, Jule S wrote: > hey guys, > whenever i try to start X i get this error: > fatal Server Error: > No Screens found. Hi- On a "me too" side note, I'd like to ask what is the *meaning* of that error message? Thanks Regs henry _ Micro$oft-Free Human 100% Debian GNU/Linux KMFMS "Bring the genome to the people! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.debian.org - www.debian-br.cipsga.org.br - www.debian-rs.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
How do I discover the X version I'm running?
Hi- How do I know what X version I'm running? TIA Regs Henry -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Setting up Email from multiple POP accounts
On Mon, May 27, 2002 at 08:25:18PM -0500, dman wrote: > On Tue, May 28, 2002 at 10:17:06AM +1000, Damian Del Campo wrote: > | Hi I'm looking to setup email on a debian machine -> I have a network > | of computers at home, one of which is set up as a router, file server > | and now hopefully a mail repository. > | I want this computer to download my mail from various pop email > | accounts such as, > | > | [EMAIL PROTECTED] > | [EMAIL PROTECTED] > | [EMAIL PROTECTED] > | [EMAIL PROTECTED] > | > | I want all this mail to be downloaded to a central computer > > Use fetchmail to grab mail from any number of POP and IMAP servers. Hi- Me too. Use fetchmail. fetchmail -p POP3 -u USERNAME will prompt you for PW Use filters. HTH Regs H e n r y _ Micro$oft-Free Human 100% Debian GNU/Linux KMFMS "Bring the genome to the people! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.debian.org - www.debian-br.cipsga.org.br - www.debian-rs.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Nvidia GeForce2 [was Re: woody]
Em Qua, 2002-05-22 às 21:51, Jerome Acks Jr escreveu: > On Mon, May 20, 2002 at 09:34:46PM +0200, Ferdinand Lachmann wrote: > > I am a newby on debian woody 3.0. > > Have a Nvidia GeForce2 DDR in my system. > > Can,t get my xserver running,nor my usb logitech mouse. > > I assume you have installed X4.x. > > If not, run: apt-get install xserver-xfree86 > > Then try running "XFree86 -configure" as root. This should give you a > working configuration file that gives you an ugly gray screen. You can > then tweak the config file into more usable setup. If this doesn't > start the xserver, check /var/log/XFree86.0.log for error messages > > Or run: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 > select the nv driver for your card. Hi- Having problems with the same card. THis approach doesn't work (dpkg-reconfigure). I get the "No screens found" error. What does it mean? > -- > Jerome TIA, Regs, Henry [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Problem with sending usenet items with emacs gnus
Em Ter, 2002-05-21 às 12:23, Carl Weidling escreveu: > > I purchased a Debian Woody (Unofficial) distro from Edmunds Enterprises > and installed it. It seems OK except I'm having a lot of trouble with > default configurations for communicating with the outside world. I've > already posted some questions (can't telnet in, the Mail transfer agent > which I think is sendmail, The default is Exim. $ eximconfig Try that. at least sendmail is running, doesn't seem > to want to play nice with fetchmail, and now this. I'm afraid I > don't know much about these kinds of configuration issues. I still > have the telnet and mail problems and will have to drop debian if I > can't resolve them. I've been using linux since 1994, mostly using > slackware and somehow managed to get along knowing these configuration > items until now. > > Anyway, here's my latest- > > When I try to post a message using emacs gnus, it produces a 'From' Have you configured Emacs properly? Might be that. Or: your localhost is not configured right. Can you telnet yourself? Check the archives for localhost configuration. Regs Henry [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Install Debian for desktop
On Sun, 19 May 2002 14:33:21 +0200 Robert Ian Smit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Hi, > (cut) > >If I install software in /usr/local, as I understand it, I bypass >Debian package management. If I want to run current software (as in >Redhat or Mandrake current) will I need to install a lot of software in >usr/local? > I think I understand what your question is...Let me answer it by example:I have a system-wide installation of the Mozilla browser, version rc-1 (release candidate 1 - ok, I'll get rc-2!) rc-1 did not come with the e-mail client, like the previous Mozilla 0.99 However, in my /usr/local I have Mozilla 0.99 installed. This means I have two functioning Mozillas, see. Everything you install on /usr/local won't break your system. HTH >I hope I have made clear what I want to do and would like to know about > experiences from other people. Please tell me if I am wrong in > choosing Debian for my needs. I want to and have time to learn, but > would like to have an indication whether my goals are reachable. > Debian has the same as every GNU/Linux desktop. It may not come with, say StarOffice 6.0, like some distros, because it's proprietary software. The problem with desktop users is that they have to use what everybody's using in order to communicate, like Word .docs. This is more a cultural problem than a real one. GNU/Linux is ready for the desktop, it has everything you need.If you really want that sort of compatibility, you can go on and pay Sun for their (competent) job. Overall, however, Debian has more packages than any other distro. That is a fact: we have 9500 pcks in Woody. You can do in a Debian system everything you can o in any other GNU/Linux distro (for some stuff, you can do more, such as scientific apps and for development). Cheers >Bob > Henry [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Micro$oft-Free Human 100% Debian GNU/Linux KMFMS "Bring the genome to the people! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.debian.org - www.debian-br.cipsga.org.br - www.debian-rs.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
