Re: (etch) Using aptitude after using dselect - any issues?
On Sun, Oct 07, 2007 at 01:19:33AM +0200, Tobias Nissen wrote: Hi Martin! Martin Waller wrote: Is it safe to switch to using aptititude as my package manager after having used dselect up to now? Yes, it is safe. dselect and aptitude use different databases. dpkg seems to rely on dselect for some reason: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# dpkg --purge dselect dpkg: dependency problems prevent removal of dselect: dpkg depends on dselect. [..] -- Chris. == -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (etch) Using aptitude after using dselect - any issues?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chris Bannister) writes: dpkg seems to rely on dselect for some reason: It did a lonnng time ago, but it doesn't anymore. [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# dpkg --purge dselect dpkg: dependency problems prevent removal of dselect: dpkg depends on dselect. When's the last time you updated this system?!? -Miles -- Would you like fries with that? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (etch) Using aptitude after using dselect - any issues?
On Mon, Oct 08, 2007 at 08:51:05AM -0400, Chris Bannister [EMAIL PROTECTED] was heard to say: On Sun, Oct 07, 2007 at 01:19:33AM +0200, Tobias Nissen wrote: Hi Martin! Martin Waller wrote: Is it safe to switch to using aptititude as my package manager after having used dselect up to now? Yes, it is safe. dselect and aptitude use different databases. dpkg seems to rely on dselect for some reason: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# dpkg --purge dselect dpkg: dependency problems prevent removal of dselect: dpkg depends on dselect. [..] dpkg depends on dselect because dselect used to be part of the dpkg package. When dselect was split out, the dpkg maintainers wanted to ensure that no-one lost dselect during an upgrade, so dpkg depended (in fact, pre-depended IIRC) on dselect for some time. There's no technical reason to have dselect around. That said, the dependency went away sometime between sarge and etch, although a quick scan of the changelog doesn't tell me when. Daniel -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (etch) Using aptitude after using dselect - any issues?
On Sun, Oct 07, 2007 at 11:41:02AM +0100, Martin Waller wrote: Thanks for the input - I asked because I thought I'd seen warnings about using aptitude after using dselect since installation. I am using aptitude now without apparent issue, although my system isn't a very complex setup and I'm on stable. Don't top post. The first things to do: Run aptitude interactively (no command args) Select options, tell it not to include recommends. Then, go down the list of all packages and if its one that you yourself don't specifically want installed, then mark it as automatic. Continue going down the list. When you think you have it all good: hit 'g' to see what aptitude would like to do. If its wrong, fix it (marking things manuall, install, whatever), then it 'q' to go back to the main screen. Then hit 'g' to see if its correct. When everything in the first 'g' screen is correct, hit 'g' again and it will clean out any cruft build-up you have. Then you can continue to use aptitude as your package manager and it will keep the system tidy. Doug. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (etch) Using aptitude after using dselect - any issues?
Daniel Burrows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Mon, Oct 08, 2007 at 08:51:05AM -0400, Chris Bannister [EMAIL PROTECTED] was heard to say: On Sun, Oct 07, 2007 at 01:19:33AM +0200, Tobias Nissen wrote: Hi Martin! Martin Waller wrote: Is it safe to switch to using aptititude as my package manager after having used dselect up to now? Yes, it is safe. dselect and aptitude use different databases. dpkg seems to rely on dselect for some reason: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# dpkg --purge dselect dpkg: dependency problems prevent removal of dselect: dpkg depends on dselect. [..] dpkg depends on dselect because dselect used to be part of the dpkg package. When dselect was split out, the dpkg maintainers wanted to ensure that no-one lost dselect during an upgrade, so dpkg depended (in fact, pre-depended IIRC) on dselect for some time. There's no technical reason to have dselect around. That said, the dependency went away sometime between sarge and etch, although a quick scan of the changelog doesn't tell me when. I just looked and dselect still shows 'Priority: required' in etch even though nothing is listed as depending on it. Maybe that should be changed. -- Carl Johnson[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (etch) Using aptitude after using dselect - any issues?
Douglas A. Tutty wrote: On Sun, Oct 07, 2007 at 11:41:02AM +0100, Martin Waller wrote: Thanks for the input - I asked because I thought I'd seen warnings about using aptitude after using dselect since installation. I am using aptitude now without apparent issue, although my system isn't a very complex setup and I'm on stable. Don't top post. :( sorry The first things to do: Run aptitude interactively (no command args) Select options, tell it not to include recommends. Then, go down the list of all packages and if its one that you yourself don't specifically want installed, then mark it as automatic. Continue going down the list. When you think you have it all good: hit 'g' to see what aptitude would like to do. If its wrong, fix it (marking things manuall, install, whatever), then it 'q' to go back to the main screen. Then hit 'g' to see if its correct. When everything in the first 'g' screen is correct, hit 'g' again and it will clean out any cruft build-up you have. Then you can continue to use aptitude as your package manager and it will keep the system tidy. Doug. OK - thanks -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (etch) Using aptitude after using dselect - any issues?
Thanks for the input - I asked because I thought I'd seen warnings about using aptitude after using dselect since installation. I am using aptitude now without apparent issue, although my system isn't a very complex setup and I'm on stable. Martin Miles Bader wrote: Mumia W.. [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: That's true, but that wasn't what he asked. Martin wanted to know if it is safe to use aptitude after having used dselect up to now, and the answer is no--unless certain steps are taken in aptitude. Christ Mumia, would you stop spreading this clueless FUD? It should be perfectly safe, in general, to use aptitude having used dselect up to now. -Miles -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(etch) Using aptitude after using dselect - any issues?
Hello, Is it safe to switch to using aptititude as my package manager after having used dselect up to now? Thnaks, Martin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (etch) Using aptitude after using dselect - any issues?
On 10/6/07, Martin Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, Is it safe to switch to using aptititude as my package manager after having used dselect up to now? Thnaks, Martin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sure, aptitude is a better tool than dselect. -- Márcio H. Parreiras @ Pedro Leopoldo - MG - Brazil Por favor evite enviar-me anexos Excel (.xls), PowerPoint (.ppt) ou Word (.doc); Veja http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.pt.html Please avoid sending me Excel (.xls), PowerPoint (.ppt) or Word (.doc) attachments; See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html Experimente http://www.broffice.org Try http://www.openoffice.org A caixa dizia: Requer MS Windows ou superior, então eu instalei Debian/GNU Linux! http://www.debian.org/index.pt.html The box said: Requires MS Windows or better, then I installed Debian/GNU Linux! http://www.debian.org/index.en.html http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux Codificação de caracteres / Character coding: Unicode (UTF-8) .
Re: (etch) Using aptitude after using dselect - any issues?
Hi Martin! Martin Waller wrote: Is it safe to switch to using aptititude as my package manager after having used dselect up to now? Yes, it is safe. dselect and aptitude use different databases. For a comparison, see Joey Hess' article about aptitude vs. dselect[0]. HTH, Tobias [0] http://groups.google.com/group/linux.debian.user/msg/ef229f2835c06b4b pgp457UrWhXre.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: (etch) Using aptitude after using dselect - any issues?
On 10/06/2007 11:24 AM, Márcio H. Parreiras wrote: On 10/6/07, Martin Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, Is it safe to switch to using aptititude as my package manager after having used dselect up to now? Thnaks, Martin Sure, aptitude is a better tool than dselect. That's true, but that wasn't what he asked. Martin wanted to know if it is safe to use aptitude after having used dselect up to now, and the answer is no--unless certain steps are taken in aptitude. I think those steps are to find out what aptitude wants to uninstall automatically and to perform unmarkauto on those packages. Aptitude's interactive interface is very useful for this. Martin would want to get aptitude to the point where it does not want install or uninstall anything automatically. After aptitude is satisfied with the current system, it's probably safe to start using aptitude regularly. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (etch) Using aptitude after using dselect - any issues?
Mumia W.. [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: That's true, but that wasn't what he asked. Martin wanted to know if it is safe to use aptitude after having used dselect up to now, and the answer is no--unless certain steps are taken in aptitude. Christ Mumia, would you stop spreading this clueless FUD? It should be perfectly safe, in general, to use aptitude having used dselect up to now. -Miles -- What the fuck do white people have to be blue about!? Banana Republic ran out of Khakis? The Espresso Machine is jammed? Hootie and The Blowfish are breaking up??! Shit, white people oughtta understand, their job is to GIVE people the blues, not to get them!-- George Carlin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
