Re: (forw) [hugh@mjr.org: Re: Quick aptitude question...]
On Sun, Jan 26, 2003 at 05:54:03PM +, Hugh Saunders wrote: > On Sun, Jan 26, 2003 at 01:46:41PM +1100, Rob Weir wrote: > > # aptitude install bleh > > Yeah, i figured that but then i thought why not apt-get!! Aptitude is smarter in same ways, for a start, but the bigger reason is that aptitude keeps track of which packages were explicitly installed, and which were installed to satisfy dependencies... Say I want to try out KDE (kde2 for this example, since it's in sid). Hmm, it seems to be uninstallable at the moment anyhow :/...I'll just make up this example then. kde is just a meta-package; it depends on a pile of programs and a bazillion libraries. If I 'apt-get install kde', try it out, then decide I prefer twm after all, my natural reaction would be to 'apt-get --purge remove kde' to get rid of it... Oh, wait! That only removes the KDE package, which is ~1KB, not KDE which is several orders of magnitude greater! aptitude, on the other hand, would have noticed that the piles of programs and bazillion libraries were only installed because the 'kde' package depended on them, and will happily remove them (if you let it, this feature is, of course, configurable) for you, getting you back to the state you were before you tried kde. And that's the story of why I use aptitude instead of apt-get 90% of the time :-) > Would still be good to be able to sync the aptitude package status with > the actual package status, is this possible? Doesn't it? Or do you mean package holds and such? -rob msg27143/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: (forw) [hugh@mjr.org: Re: Quick aptitude question...]
On Sun, Jan 26, 2003 at 01:46:41PM +1100, Rob Weir wrote: > # aptitude install bleh Yeah, i figured that but then i thought why not apt-get!! Would still be good to be able to sync the aptitude package status with the actual package status, is this possible? hugh -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (forw) [hugh@mjr.org: Re: Quick aptitude question...]
On Mon, Jan 20, 2003 at 11:46:28PM +, Hugh Saunders wrote: > On Mon, Jan 20, 2003 at 11:20:25PM +, iain d broadfoot wrote: > > - Forwarded message from Hugh Saunders <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - > > > > Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 22:57:15 + > > From: Hugh Saunders <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: iain d broadfoot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i > > X-SpamProbe: > > Subject: Re: Quick aptitude question... > > X-CIS-MailScanner: Found to be clean > > > > On Mon, Jan 20, 2003 at 09:22:46PM +, iain d broadfoot wrote: > > > * ZephyrQ ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > > > > > > > I'm trying to take better control of my installation, and fired up > > > > aptitude. I inadvertently tried to do an upgrade (to woody rc1) a while > > > > back and am trying to cancel it. Is there a way to 'wipe' queued > > > > actions and/or reset aptitude? > > > > > > > > > > when you hit 'g' to get the 'do this' screen, select the lines that say > > > 'install' or 'upgrade' or similar, and hit '_' to purge, '-' to remove > > > or '=' to hold(hold means keep installed, don't upgrade) - this should > > > cut down the number of things on the todo list. > > if youve told aptitude you want to upgrade a package, but havent > > actually done the upgrade, how do you then > > reset its status to installed -its a pain to do hold as that break > > dependencies when you upgrade other things. > > > > hugh > > > > - End forwarded message - > > > > i'm not sure you can, using aptitude - it likes upgrading automatically. > > have a look in the options to see if you can turn off that behaviour. > > > > at the same time, why do you want to avoid woodyr1 exactly? > not avoiding woodyr1 but i dont have fast connection [56k dialup] so i > want to aptiutude to install what i select and its dependencies [nothing > else- bit like apt-get install -which is what i end up using!] but as > ive fiddled about with it, aptitude has a list of about 150 packages it > wants to upgrade/install so everytime i use aptitude i use the shift-i > to only install what i want. [if want to upgrade, do apt-get update && > apt-get upgrade -y and leve it over night!] # aptitude install bleh -rob msg26395/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: (forw) [hugh@mjr.org: Re: Quick aptitude question...]
* Hugh Saunders ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > not avoiding woodyr1 but i dont have fast connection [56k dialup] so i > want to aptiutude to install what i select and its dependencies [nothing > else- bit like apt-get install -which is what i end up using!] but as > ive fiddled about with it, aptitude has a list of about 150 packages it > wants to upgrade/install so everytime i use aptitude i use the shift-i > to only install what i want. [if want to upgrade, do apt-get update && > apt-get upgrade -y and leve it over night!] > > so not essential as can use apt-get but to make aptitude more usefull > it would be good to be able synchronise its status with the current > system package status hum, you _could_ rename sources.list, do an update then put it back... not sure if that'd cause a plaugue of locusts or not though. iain > > hugh > > ps: replying to right place this time! > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- wh33, y1p33 3tc. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (forw) [hugh@mjr.org: Re: Quick aptitude question...]
On Mon, Jan 20, 2003 at 11:20:25PM +, iain d broadfoot wrote: > - Forwarded message from Hugh Saunders <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - > > Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 22:57:15 + > From: Hugh Saunders <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: iain d broadfoot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i > X-SpamProbe: > Subject: Re: Quick aptitude question... > X-CIS-MailScanner: Found to be clean > > On Mon, Jan 20, 2003 at 09:22:46PM +, iain d broadfoot wrote: > > * ZephyrQ ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > > > > > I'm trying to take better control of my installation, and fired up > > > aptitude. I inadvertently tried to do an upgrade (to woody rc1) a while > > > back and am trying to cancel it. Is there a way to 'wipe' queued > > > actions and/or reset aptitude? > > > > > > > when you hit 'g' to get the 'do this' screen, select the lines that say > > 'install' or 'upgrade' or similar, and hit '_' to purge, '-' to remove > > or '=' to hold(hold means keep installed, don't upgrade) - this should > > cut down the number of things on the todo list. > if youve told aptitude you want to upgrade a package, but havent > actually done the upgrade, how do you then > reset its status to installed -its a pain to do hold as that break > dependencies when you upgrade other things. > > hugh > > - End forwarded message - > > i'm not sure you can, using aptitude - it likes upgrading automatically. > have a look in the options to see if you can turn off that behaviour. > > at the same time, why do you want to avoid woodyr1 exactly? not avoiding woodyr1 but i dont have fast connection [56k dialup] so i want to aptiutude to install what i select and its dependencies [nothing else- bit like apt-get install -which is what i end up using!] but as ive fiddled about with it, aptitude has a list of about 150 packages it wants to upgrade/install so everytime i use aptitude i use the shift-i to only install what i want. [if want to upgrade, do apt-get update && apt-get upgrade -y and leve it over night!] so not essential as can use apt-get but to make aptitude more usefull it would be good to be able synchronise its status with the current system package status hugh ps: replying to right place this time! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(forw) [hugh@mjr.org: Re: Quick aptitude question...]
- Forwarded message from Hugh Saunders <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 22:57:15 + From: Hugh Saunders <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: iain d broadfoot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i X-SpamProbe: Subject: Re: Quick aptitude question... X-CIS-MailScanner: Found to be clean On Mon, Jan 20, 2003 at 09:22:46PM +, iain d broadfoot wrote: > * ZephyrQ ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > > > I'm trying to take better control of my installation, and fired up > > aptitude. I inadvertently tried to do an upgrade (to woody rc1) a while > > back and am trying to cancel it. Is there a way to 'wipe' queued > > actions and/or reset aptitude? > > > > when you hit 'g' to get the 'do this' screen, select the lines that say > 'install' or 'upgrade' or similar, and hit '_' to purge, '-' to remove > or '=' to hold(hold means keep installed, don't upgrade) - this should > cut down the number of things on the todo list. if youve told aptitude you want to upgrade a package, but havent actually done the upgrade, how do you then reset its status to installed -its a pain to do hold as that break dependencies when you upgrade other things. hugh - End forwarded message - i'm not sure you can, using aptitude - it likes upgrading automatically. have a look in the options to see if you can turn off that behaviour. at the same time, why do you want to avoid woodyr1 exactly? iain -- wh33, y1p33 3tc. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
