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On 2024-06-03, Chris M wrote: > > Thunderbird is the name of a cheap wine? > A mutt is a mongrel dog, if that adds anything to the conversation.
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On Mon, 3 Jun 2024 15:25:12 -0400 e...@gmx.us wrote: > The USAF Thunderbirds predate Gallo Thunderbird by at least a year. > They were founded in 1953, and the law allowing Gallo Thunderbird's > creation wasn't passed until the next year. The wine was certainly > out by 1957. The Ford Thunderbird _might_ predate the wine, since it > came out in 1955. The email client though, no excuse for that one. Possibly sore or all of the various Thunderbirds out there were named for the Native American mythological creatures called thunderbirds. -- Does anybody read signatures any more? https://charlescurley.com https://charlescurley.com/blog/
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On Tue, Jun 04, 2024 at 03:45:11AM +0800, Bret Busby wrote: > On 4/6/24 03:25, e...@gmx.us wrote: > > On 6/3/24 12:10, James H. H. Lampert wrote: > > > (who still hasn't figured out why Ford named a car, and the Air > > > Force named > > > its demonstration team, after that same cheap wine) > > > > The USAF Thunderbirds predate Gallo Thunderbird by at least a year. They > > were founded in 1953, and the law allowing Gallo Thunderbird's creation > > wasn't passed until the next year. The wine was certainly out by 1957. > > The > > Ford Thunderbird _might_ predate the wine, since it came out in 1955. The > > email client though, no excuse for that one. > > > > But, do any of them, predate the real Thunderbirds, with Lady Penelope? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thunderbird_(mythology) The thunderbird is a legendary creature particular to North American indigenous peoples' history and culture. It is considered a supernatural being of power and strength. I'm pretty sure this one wins the age contest.
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On 4/6/24 04:30, e...@gmx.us wrote: On 6/3/24 15:45, Bret Busby wrote: On 4/6/24 03:25, e...@gmx.us wrote: On 6/3/24 12:10, James H. H. Lampert wrote: (who still hasn't figured out why Ford named a car, and the Air Force named its demonstration team, after that same cheap wine) The USAF Thunderbirds predate Gallo Thunderbird by at least a year. They were founded in 1953, and the law allowing Gallo Thunderbird's creation wasn't passed until the next year. The wine was certainly out by 1957. The Ford Thunderbird _might_ predate the wine, since it came out in 1955. The email client though, no excuse for that one. But, do any of them, predate the real Thunderbirds, with Lady Penelope? You mean this series? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thunderbirds_(TV_series) "Supermarionation" ? A country of Super Mario's? ARRGH! Bret Busby Armadale Western Australia (UTC+0800) .
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debian-u...@howorth.org.uk wrote: Chris M wrote: I love Evolution and Claws to a point. Its a PITA to forward emails with HTML in them, like the Informed Delivery email I get each morning letting us know whats coming in the USPS that day. Claws forwards mails with a text/html part just fine. What's your actual problem with it? When the recipient gets the email it looks jumbled and like the days USPS mail scans are at the very bottom of the email. instead of under the right headers Its very weird looking. I would just about have to show you for you to get it. THANKS IN ADVANCE! CHRIS ch...@cwm030.com * Lenovo ThinkCentre M710q*~~~* 1 TB SSD*~~~*15.5 GiB of ram* ~~* Q4OS Trinity Edition* ~~
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On 6/3/24 15:45, Bret Busby wrote: On 4/6/24 03:25, e...@gmx.us wrote: On 6/3/24 12:10, James H. H. Lampert wrote: (who still hasn't figured out why Ford named a car, and the Air Force named its demonstration team, after that same cheap wine) The USAF Thunderbirds predate Gallo Thunderbird by at least a year. They were founded in 1953, and the law allowing Gallo Thunderbird's creation wasn't passed until the next year. The wine was certainly out by 1957. The Ford Thunderbird _might_ predate the wine, since it came out in 1955. The email client though, no excuse for that one. But, do any of them, predate the real Thunderbirds, with Lady Penelope? You mean this series? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thunderbirds_(TV_series) Looks like it came out in 1964, so the USAF team, wine, and car did. It's probable Gallo Thunderbird was fairly unknown in 1960s UK, so they're off the hook. -- Save the willing first. -- a friend of Traveling-Techie on Reddit
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Chris M wrote: > I love Evolution and Claws to a point. Its a PITA to forward emails > with HTML in them, like the Informed Delivery email I get each morning > letting us know whats coming in the USPS that day. Claws forwards mails with a text/html part just fine. What's your actual problem with it?
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On 4/6/24 03:25, e...@gmx.us wrote: On 6/3/24 12:10, James H. H. Lampert wrote: (who still hasn't figured out why Ford named a car, and the Air Force named its demonstration team, after that same cheap wine) The USAF Thunderbirds predate Gallo Thunderbird by at least a year. They were founded in 1953, and the law allowing Gallo Thunderbird's creation wasn't passed until the next year. The wine was certainly out by 1957. The Ford Thunderbird _might_ predate the wine, since it came out in 1955. The email client though, no excuse for that one. But, do any of them, predate the real Thunderbirds, with Lady Penelope? Bret Busby Armadale Western Australia (UTC+0800) .
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On 6/3/24 12:10, James H. H. Lampert wrote: (who still hasn't figured out why Ford named a car, and the Air Force named its demonstration team, after that same cheap wine) The USAF Thunderbirds predate Gallo Thunderbird by at least a year. They were founded in 1953, and the law allowing Gallo Thunderbird's creation wasn't passed until the next year. The wine was certainly out by 1957. The Ford Thunderbird _might_ predate the wine, since it came out in 1955. The email client though, no excuse for that one. https://drunkard.com/whats-the-word-thunderbird/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thunderbird_(wine) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Air_Force_Thunderbirds https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Thunderbird -- When I were a lad, if grandpa caught us double sigging, it's be straight to bed with no bread and butter after a good thrashing. -- Peter Radcliffe on ASR
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James H. H. Lampert wrote: I will say that one should probably not expect perfection from an email reader that's named after a cheap wine. In my experience, T-Bird is the worst email reader I've ever used . . . except for *every other* email reader (without a single exception) I've tried. I'm particularly irritated with those that have no way to disable HTML rendering, and those that have no way to send properly formatted plain-text-only emails, those that try to trick you into top-posting, and (especially) those mobile email readers that waste finite processor resources by insisting on checking your email even when closed. Compared to that, dealing with T-Bird's imperfections is a walk in the park. -- JHHL (who still hasn't figured out why Ford named a car, and the Air Force named its demonstration team, after that same cheap wine) Thunderbird is the name of a cheap wine? I love Evolution and Claws to a point. Its a PITA to forward emails with HTML in them, like the Informed Delivery email I get each morning letting us know whats coming in the USPS that day. THANKS IN ADVANCE! CHRIS ch...@cwm030.com * Lenovo ThinkCentre M710q*~~~* 1 TB SSD*~~~*15.5 GiB of ram* ~~* Q4OS Trinity Edition* ~~
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Bret Busby wrote: > On 4/6/24 00:10, James H. H. Lampert wrote: > > I will say that one should probably not expect perfection from an email > > reader that's named after a cheap wine. > > > > ? USA-centric reference. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flavored_fortified_wine -dsr-
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On Mon, Jun 3, 2024 at 2:14 PM Bret Busby wrote: > > On 4/6/24 00:10, James H. H. Lampert wrote: > > I will say that one should probably not expect perfection from an email > > reader that's named after a cheap wine. > > ? Thunderbird wine was extremely inexpensive and 42 proof. In retrospect I'm a bit surprised that I've never tried it. Ripple, yes. Boone’s Farm, yes. Thunderbird? no. Lee
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On 4/6/24 00:10, James H. H. Lampert wrote: I will say that one should probably not expect perfection from an email reader that's named after a cheap wine. ? Bret Busby Armadale Western Australia (UTC+0800) .
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I will say that one should probably not expect perfection from an email reader that's named after a cheap wine. In my experience, T-Bird is the worst email reader I've ever used . . . except for *every other* email reader (without a single exception) I've tried. I'm particularly irritated with those that have no way to disable HTML rendering, and those that have no way to send properly formatted plain-text-only emails, those that try to trick you into top-posting, and (especially) those mobile email readers that waste finite processor resources by insisting on checking your email even when closed. Compared to that, dealing with T-Bird's imperfections is a walk in the park. -- JHHL (who still hasn't figured out why Ford named a car, and the Air Force named its demonstration team, after that same cheap wine)
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Bret Busby wrote: On 3/6/24 04:14, Chris M wrote: Felix Miata wrote: It might be worth checking what language the emails are in. Thunderbird allows you to specify fonts separately for each writing system (e.g. if you want to specify fonts for Japanese or Greek or Khmer messages, you can do). For English and comparable languages, you want to set a font for "Latin" writing system. However, note that there is also "Other Writing Systems" so I can imagine that, if these emails aren't UTF-8 - if they're some strange Windows encoding, for example - they might not be using the font you think you've set. < SNIP > BACK STORY: This all started this last night on the TDE ( Trinity Desktop) mail list: Felix here got to talking about Seamonkey, and it got me interested in what it was up to, and I thought " I haven't tried SM in years, let me download it" Well, The browser barely works.=-O:-( But, The email client that I am typing this email in right now, is SeaMonkey's mail client and I am LOVING IT, it reminds me of my beloved Netscape Navigator email client that I use to use back on XP, before AOL killed off Netscape. >:o Ohhh Yes, I was a huge Netscape fan back then! 8-)O:-) I was mad for a long time after AOL killed off Netscape 9. I don't even remember when that happened? 2008? 2009? So, I got the email client set up but replies from a certain person were TINY TINY TINY. Interesting enough, Felix I just opened an email from DEP and went to "VIEW MESSAGE SOURCE" and scrolled through the text and found out that DEP ( That's a user over on the TDE list ) is in fact using UTF-8. "Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64" Then, I just so happen to come across this plug in and WOW, what a difference! I am guessing that everybody else uses regular TB, and me and Felix are the only ones that still cling to Seamonkey? I use SeaMonkey, with javash*** disabled. Uses much less resources, and, less likely to crash. I use Fartyfox for stuff that requires javash***, and, in that, I have a number of security and privacy add-ons; I think, for SeaMonkey, I have only the Bluhell firewall add-on and the English-GB dictionary. I have and use multiple other web browsers, including Epiphany, Vivaldi, and Pale Moon (which I have not used for a while), but, mainly use SeaMonkey and Fartyfox. For email, I use Tbird as a webmail kind of application, for viewing and responding to recent email, and, for downloading email, storing, archiving, and, responding to old email, I use the most powerful email application that I have found; alpine, previously known as pine. I use claws mail for one of my email accounts that does not have much throughput. .. Bret Busby Armadale West Australia (UTC+0800) .. I've got a soft spot for Evolution ( Due to loving the OLD Outlook-- Circa 2003) and now SeaMonkey. Claws-Mail is " eh, okay" but makes forwarding emails with HTML in them a PITA. THANKS IN ADVANCE! CHRIS ch...@cwm030.com * Lenovo ThinkCentre M710q*~~~* 1 TB SSD*~~~*15.5 GiB of ram* ~~* Q4OS Trinity Edition* ~~
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Bret Busby wrote: Hello, Chris. We appear to be 13 hours ahead of you (see my signature), so, the time here, is now about 0430. I am a creature of the night. OH man, 4:30 AM! That's way too early for me! Andika? Search for it in Synaptic... :) I am not sure whether apt find still works. Package name is fonts-sil-andika I use only the basic Andika font. Ah, okay... Thanks! THANKS IN ADVANCE! CHRIS ch...@cwm030.com * Lenovo ThinkCentre M710q*~~~* 1 TB SSD*~~~*15.5 GiB of ram* ~~* Q4OS Trinity Edition* ~~
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On 3/6/24 04:14, Chris M wrote: Felix Miata wrote: It might be worth checking what language the emails are in. Thunderbird allows you to specify fonts separately for each writing system (e.g. if you want to specify fonts for Japanese or Greek or Khmer messages, you can do). For English and comparable languages, you want to set a font for "Latin" writing system. However, note that there is also "Other Writing Systems" so I can imagine that, if these emails aren't UTF-8 - if they're some strange Windows encoding, for example - they might not be using the font you think you've set. < SNIP > BACK STORY: This all started this last night on the TDE ( Trinity Desktop) mail list: Felix here got to talking about Seamonkey, and it got me interested in what it was up to, and I thought " I haven't tried SM in years, let me download it" Well, The browser barely works.=-O:-( But, The email client that I am typing this email in right now, is SeaMonkey's mail client and I am LOVING IT, it reminds me of my beloved Netscape Navigator email client that I use to use back on XP, before AOL killed off Netscape. >:o Ohhh Yes, I was a huge Netscape fan back then! 8-)O:-) I was mad for a long time after AOL killed off Netscape 9. I don't even remember when that happened? 2008? 2009? So, I got the email client set up but replies from a certain person were TINY TINY TINY. Interesting enough, Felix I just opened an email from DEP and went to "VIEW MESSAGE SOURCE" and scrolled through the text and found out that DEP ( That's a user over on the TDE list ) is in fact using UTF-8. "Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64" Then, I just so happen to come across this plug in and WOW, what a difference! I am guessing that everybody else uses regular TB, and me and Felix are the only ones that still cling to Seamonkey? I use SeaMonkey, with javash*** disabled. Uses much less resources, and, less likely to crash. I use Fartyfox for stuff that requires javash***, and, in that, I have a number of security and privacy add-ons; I think, for SeaMonkey, I have only the Bluhell firewall add-on and the English-GB dictionary. I have and use multiple other web browsers, including Epiphany, Vivaldi, and Pale Moon (which I have not used for a while), but, mainly use SeaMonkey and Fartyfox. For email, I use Tbird as a webmail kind of application, for viewing and responding to recent email, and, for downloading email, storing, archiving, and, responding to old email, I use the most powerful email application that I have found; alpine, previously known as pine. I use claws mail for one of my email accounts that does not have much throughput. .. Bret Busby Armadale West Australia (UTC+0800) ..
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On 3/6/24 03:56, Chris M wrote: Bret Busby wrote: Whilst, at groups.io, two different Tbird email users lists exist; one for blind people, and, the other, for those of us who still have sufficient sight, and, these messages about Tbird, should, more properly, be directed to the Tbird users lists, try the following. In the Edit -> Settings (that is, Tbird settings, not Account settings), I have Fonts for (Latin) Proportional: (Sans-serif) Size (20) Serif: Andika Sans-serif: Andika Monospace: Andika Size (20) Font Control Allow messages to use other fonts - unchecked Use fixed width font for plain text messages - unchecked You might prefer a different font to Andika - that is my preference, as the most natural font (other than Clean, if someone finds it) But, try those settings, and find whether that works for you, also. They seem to work for me. Minimum font size: 20 G'DAY BRET! ( err, its prob the middle of the night over there) It's 2:54 PM CDT here in the US. But Anyhoo: Interesting, I don't have that "Andika" font on my PC. Where did you find that font at? Hello, Chris. We appear to be 13 hours ahead of you (see my signature), so, the time here, is now about 0430. I am a creature of the night. Andika? Search for it in Synaptic... :) I am not sure whether apt find still works. Package name is fonts-sil-andika I use only the basic Andika font. .. Bret Busby Armadale West Australia (UTC+0800) ..
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Felix Miata wrote: It might be worth checking what language the emails are in. Thunderbird allows you to specify fonts separately for each writing system (e.g. if you want to specify fonts for Japanese or Greek or Khmer messages, you can do). For English and comparable languages, you want to set a font for "Latin" writing system. However, note that there is also "Other Writing Systems" so I can imagine that, if these emails aren't UTF-8 - if they're some strange Windows encoding, for example - they might not be using the font you think you've set. < SNIP > BACK STORY: This all started this last night on the TDE ( Trinity Desktop) mail list: Felix here got to talking about Seamonkey, and it got me interested in what it was up to, and I thought " I haven't tried SM in years, let me download it" Well, The browser barely works.=-O:-( But, The email client that I am typing this email in right now, is SeaMonkey's mail client and I am LOVING IT, it reminds me of my beloved Netscape Navigator email client that I use to use back on XP, before AOL killed off Netscape. >:o Ohhh Yes, I was a huge Netscape fan back then! 8-)O:-) I was mad for a long time after AOL killed off Netscape 9. I don't even remember when that happened? 2008? 2009? So, I got the email client set up but replies from a certain person were TINY TINY TINY. Interesting enough, Felix I just opened an email from DEP and went to "VIEW MESSAGE SOURCE" and scrolled through the text and found out that DEP ( That's a user over on the TDE list ) is in fact using UTF-8. "Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64" Then, I just so happen to come across this plug in and WOW, what a difference! I am guessing that everybody else uses regular TB, and me and Felix are the only ones that still cling to Seamonkey? THANKS IN ADVANCE! CHRIS ch...@cwm030.com * Lenovo ThinkCentre M710q*~~~* 1 TB SSD*~~~*15.5 GiB of ram* ~~* Q4OS Trinity Edition* ~~
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Bret Busby wrote: For Language Choose the languages used to display menus, messages, and notifications from Thunderbird. I have set English (GB) which, I expect, will confound anything that tries to impose characters that are not what I want. Bret Busby Armadale Western Australia (UTC+0800) . So, I am guessing that any ENGLISH speaking country uses UTF-8? US, GB ( Canada, Australia, Probably South Africa, uses GB for spell checking) If not, then what happens to my email? Is it shown in a different font, than what you have specified on your end? THANKS IN ADVANCE! CHRIS ch...@cwm030.com * Lenovo ThinkCentre M710q*~~~* 1 TB SSD*~~~*15.5 GiB of ram* ~~* Q4OS Trinity Edition* ~~
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Darac Marjal wrote: It might be worth checking what language the emails are in. Thunderbird allows you to specify fonts separately for each writing system (e.g. if you want to specify fonts for Japanese or Greek or Khmer messages, you can do). For English and comparable languages, you want to set a font for "Latin" writing system. However, note that there is also "Other Writing Systems" so I can imagine that, if these emails aren't UTF-8 - if they're some strange Windows encoding, for example - they might not be using the font you think you've set. Good Point! THANKS IN ADVANCE! CHRIS ch...@cwm030.com * Lenovo ThinkCentre M710q*~~~* 1 TB SSD*~~~*15.5 GiB of ram* ~~* Q4OS Trinity Edition* ~~
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Bret Busby wrote: Whilst, at groups.io, two different Tbird email users lists exist; one for blind people, and, the other, for those of us who still have sufficient sight, and, these messages about Tbird, should, more properly, be directed to the Tbird users lists, try the following. In the Edit -> Settings (that is, Tbird settings, not Account settings), I have Fonts for (Latin) Proportional: (Sans-serif) Size (20) Serif: Andika Sans-serif: Andika Monospace: Andika Size (20) Font Control Allow messages to use other fonts - unchecked Use fixed width font for plain text messages - unchecked You might prefer a different font to Andika - that is my preference, as the most natural font (other than Clean, if someone finds it) But, try those settings, and find whether that works for you, also. They seem to work for me. Minimum font size: 20 G'DAY BRET! ( err, its prob the middle of the night over there) It's 2:54 PM CDT here in the US. But Anyhoo: Interesting, I don't have that "Andika" font on my PC. Where did you find that font at? THANKS IN ADVANCE! CHRIS ch...@cwm030.com * Lenovo ThinkCentre M710q*~~~* 1 TB SSD*~~~*15.5 GiB of ram* ~~* Q4OS Trinity Edition* ~~
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UPDATE: I might of found a solution to my problem: I somehow stumbled across: https://addons.thunderbird.net/en-US/seamonkey/addon/no-small-text/?src=search Then launched Seamonkey browser and set the " NO SMALL TEXT" settings to: https://imgur.com/a/DvJaTeG If you're in the US scroll down to " WESTERN FONTS" and set it to: https://imgur.com/a/Zdvt0eB And... VIOLA! https://imgur.com/a/PaidqMN THANKS IN ADVANCE! CHRIS ch...@cwm030.com * Lenovo ThinkCentre M710q*~~~* 1 TB SSD*~~~*15.5 GiB of ram* ~~* Q4OS Trinity Edition* ~~
