Re: [1.2 installation]: how to tell X to follow swapping of control and caps lock from loadkeys
On Tue, 14 Jan 1997, Orn E. Hansen wrote: > > daniel, you wrote: > > >> You mean BIGGER documentation for X, is gonna get someone to RTFM? :-) > > > >No, but providing needed information might. > > Actually, I find it hard to browse through the manual pages in search of an > item. It's there... somewhere... but it may take some reading getting there > though. Like the manual pages have fallen out of context... and there is > no index table to get a quick look at where to begin. Not so! Consider installing tkman, rman and glimpse, all in non-free. This requires tcl/tk, too. Of course, this is only available _after_ you have X working, so it doesn't help with the initial installation, but you should be aware of this great tool for future use. With one click, you can very quickly search every man page (or a subset of the manpath) for any string in the body of the man pages. There's No Life Like It. ...RickM... -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [1.2 installation]: how to tell X to follow swapping of control and caps lock from loadkeys
> From: "Orn E. Hansen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > daniel, you wrote: > > >> You mean BIGGER documentation for X, is gonna get someone to RTFM? := > -) > > > >No, but providing needed information might. > > Actually, I find it hard to browse through the manual pages in search of = > an > item. It's there... somewhere... but it may take some reading getting th= > ere > though. Like the manual pages have fallen out of context... and there is= > > no index table to get a quick look at where to begin. Right. I think part of the problem with Unix documentation is that there are manual pages for individual things, but there are none to explain how everything (parts of a subsystem) fits together. (Well, besides the terrible lack of necessary detail in a lot of them (generally, not specifically X).) The GNU info pages for the C library are pretty good in that respect: they are organized, reading through them from first node to last node yields a good order, they have explanations and examples, etc. and I just found that it doesn't exists here on my newly-installed Debian system. Hey! What's going on? Did Debian forget to include the main documentation for the C library? Or did I miss a package? Daniel -- Daniel S. Barclay Compass Design Automation, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Suite 100, 5457 Twin Knolls Rd. Columbia, MD 21045 USA -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [1.2 installation]: how to tell X to follow swapping of control and caps lock from loadkeys
daniel, you wrote: >> You mean BIGGER documentation for X, is gonna get someone to RTFM? :-) > >No, but providing needed information might. Actually, I find it hard to browse through the manual pages in search of an item. It's there... somewhere... but it may take some reading getting there though. Like the manual pages have fallen out of context... and there is no index table to get a quick look at where to begin. -- Ørn Einar Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] fax; +46 035 217194 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [1.2 installation]: how to tell X to follow swapping of control and caps lock from loadkeys
> From: "Orn E. Hansen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > From: Steve Dunham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > = > > > > > I figured it out by reading the XF86Config man page and all the > > > > keyboard description files, and working backwards. Perhaps I should > > > > put a mini-HOWTO on my todo list... > > > = > > > > Sounds like an X or XFree86 bug (insufficient documentation). > > > = > > > You mean BIGGER documentation for X, is gonna get someone to RTFM? :-) No, but providing needed information might. Daniel -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [1.2 installation]: how to tell X to follow swapping of control and caps lock from loadkeys
> > > From: Steve Dunham <[emailprotected]> > > > I figured it out by reading the XF86Config man page and all the > > keyboard description files, and working backwards. Perhaps I should > > put a mini-HOWTO on my todo list... > > Sounds like an X or XFree86 bug (insufficient documentation). > You mean BIGGER documentation for X, is gonna get someone to RTFM? :-) -- Ørn Einar Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] fax; +46 035 217194 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [1.2 installation]: how to tell X to follow swapping of control and caps lock from loadkeys
> From: Steve Dunham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > I figured it out by reading the XF86Config man page and all the > keyboard description files, and working backwards. Perhaps I should > put a mini-HOWTO on my todo list... Sounds like an X or XFree86 bug (insufficient documentation). Daniel -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [1.2 installation]: how to tell X to follow swapping of control and caps lock from loadkeys
"Daniel S. Barclay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > From: Steve Dunham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > What's the best way to swap the Caps Lock and left > > > > > Control keys under X windows? > > > I just read the config files and man XF86Config. Add the following > > to the Keyboard section of XF86Config: > > > > XkbRules "xfree86" > > XkbModel "microsoft" > > XkbLayout "us" > > XkbOptions "ctrl:swapcaps" > > > > If you want the control keys _and_ caps lock to both do control, use > > "ctrl:nocaps". All possible values for the above are listed in > > /usr/X11/lib/X11/xkb/rules/xfree86 > > > > This is the "proper" way to fix the control keys with XFree 3.2. > > Where's the documentation on that? It seems to be hiding pretty well here > on my system. E.g., the XF86Config man page doesn't seem to say what options > can go in the options after "XbdOptions". > Also, why do you suggest "microsoft"? (How do I see what all that would get > me?) Actually, it might be a bad idea (if you don't have a Natural keyboard). I left it in because it seemed to be the default anyways, but it turns the "alt" key into "Alt" which may be undesired. Use XkbModel "pc101" As I said before, these are listed in /usr/X11/lib/X11/xkb/rules/xfree86 I figured it out by reading the XF86Config man page and all the keyboard description files, and working backwards. Perhaps I should put a mini-HOWTO on my todo list... Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [1.2 installation]: how to tell X to follow swapping of control and caps lock from loadkeys
Hello, > My system (1.2, from Infomagic CDs) doesn't seem to have it. I have > the manual pages, but no such executable (either installed or listed > in the Contents file). Which specific package is it in? I think there is a dependencie missing. Hmm.. no its not missing.. hmm.. some systems might not have VGA cards.. anyway.. its in the svga16 server package, since it will start up an vga server in the default vga mode which is supported on most systems without configuration. Therefore you will have a X Setup program toedit the XF86config file. For your questions I can't help much, dont have the time to figure it out, but have you looked in the Keyboard FAQ, yet? /usr/doc/kbd/kbd.FAQ.txt.gz and XF86Config(5x) together with the documentation for the applications which dont work correctly should help. And dont forget that console setup is completely different from X-kbd setup. Within X it differs from application to application. Probably you need to setup xterm correctly before shells and apllications within the shell will work. Greetings Bernd -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [1.2 installation]: how to tell X to follow swapping of control and caps lock from loadkeys
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bernd Eckenfels) > Why dont u use the grafical setup tool XF86Setup? There is a menu point for > configuration of the keyboard. It will display the keyboards you may select > and allows you to use checkboxes for the options. > > This tool should be started automatically if you istall the Xfree86 3.2 > packages! Can't you rember it or din't u see it yet? My system (1.2, from Infomagic CDs) doesn't seem to have it. I have the manual pages, but no such executable (either installed or listed in the Contents file). Which specific package is it in? Anyway, I want the real documentation so I can understand what's really going on--and to be able to know the options for fixing things. (E.g.: - how to get Alt to work again as Meta in Emacs and xterm (or bash?) - how to get non-ASCII ISO8859-1 characters using Alt (well, probably only the other Alt key) (That is, how can I have a normal U.S. keyboard, and enter accented characters occasionally?) - whether those two things can happen at the same time - why my numeric keypad is screwy: - why the Num Lock LED is backwards - why Emacs and Netscape ignore the numeric-keypad keys in numeric mode (they yield digits when typed into bash in an xterm) - etc. ) Daniel -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [1.2 installation]: how to tell X to follow swapping of control and caps lock from loadkeys
> Where's the documentation on that? It seems to be hiding pretty well here > on my system. E.g., the XF86Config man page doesn't seem to say what options > can go in the options after "XbdOptions". > > Also, why do you suggest "microsoft"? (How do I see what all that would get > me?) Why dont u use the grafical setup tool XF86Setup? There is a menu point for configuration of the keyboard. It will display the keyboards you may select and allows you to use checkboxes for the options. This tool should be started automatically if you istall the Xfree86 3.2 packages! Can't you rember it or din't u see it yet? Greetings Bernd -- (OO) -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ( .. ) [EMAIL PROTECTED],linux.de,debian.org} http://home.pages.de/~eckes/ o--o *plush* 2048/93600EFD [EMAIL PROTECTED] +4972573817 BE5-RIPE (OO) If privacy is outlawed only Outlaws have privacy -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [1.2 installation]: how to tell X to follow swapping of control and caps lock from loadkeys
> From: Steve Dunham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > What's the best way to swap the Caps Lock and left > > > > Control keys under X windows? > I just read the config files and man XF86Config. Add the following > to the Keyboard section of XF86Config: > > XkbRules "xfree86" > XkbModel "microsoft" > XkbLayout "us" > XkbOptions "ctrl:swapcaps" > > If you want the control keys _and_ caps lock to both do control, use > "ctrl:nocaps". All possible values for the above are listed in > /usr/X11/lib/X11/xkb/rules/xfree86 > > This is the "proper" way to fix the control keys with XFree 3.2. Where's the documentation on that? It seems to be hiding pretty well here on my system. E.g., the XF86Config man page doesn't seem to say what options can go in the options after "XbdOptions". Also, why do you suggest "microsoft"? (How do I see what all that would get me?) Daniel -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [1.2 installation]: how to tell X to follow swapping of control and caps lock from loadkeys
> From: Steve Dunham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > I just read the config files and man XF86Config. Add the following > to the Keyboard section of XF86Config: > > XkbRules "xfree86" > XkbModel "microsoft" > XkbLayout "us" > XkbOptions "ctrl:swapcaps" > > If you want the control keys _and_ caps lock to both do control, use > "ctrl:nocaps". All possible values for the above are listed in > /usr/X11/lib/X11/xkb/rules/xfree86 > > This is the "proper" way to fix the control keys with XFree 3.2. That sounds a lot better. Thanks, Daniel -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [1.2 installation]: how to tell X to follow swapping of control and caps lock from loadkeys
"Alexander Gieg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > What's the best way to swap the Caps Lock and left > > > Control keys under X windows? > > > > It's right in the man page for xmodmap: > In X Windows 3.1.2 this will work fine, but in 3.2 > you will need to disable the new XKBD extensions and > use the old xmodmap method. > The XKBD has only one problem: its very, very, *very* > more complex than xmodmap. There isn't any HOWTO > (yet, I hope), so I'm reading the full documentation > ( > 300 pages!). I just read the config files and man XF86Config. Add the following to the Keyboard section of XF86Config: XkbRules "xfree86" XkbModel "microsoft" XkbLayout "us" XkbOptions "ctrl:swapcaps" If you want the control keys _and_ caps lock to both do control, use "ctrl:nocaps". All possible values for the above are listed in /usr/X11/lib/X11/xkb/rules/xfree86 This is the "proper" way to fix the control keys with XFree 3.2. Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [1.2 installation]: how to tell X to follow swapping of control and caps lock from loadkeys
> > > What's the best way to swap the Caps Lock and left > > > Control keys under X windows? > > > > It's right in the man page for xmodmap: > Absolutely correct... remove lock = Caps_Lock remove control = Control_L keysym Caps_Lock = Control_L keysym Control_L = Caps_Lock add lock = Caps_Lock add control = Control_L Put those lines into a file, and then run 'xmodmap [file]' and the Control_Left and Caps_Lock keys change places. With or without the extension. > In X Windows 3.1.2 this will work fine, but in 3.2 > you will need to disable the new XKBD extensions and > use the old xmodmap method. > Doesn't mean that xmodmap doesn't work... > The XKBD has only one problem: its very, very, *very* > more complex than xmodmap. There isn't any HOWTO > (yet, I hope), so I'm reading the full documentation > ( > 300 pages!). > > I think there is an easy solution to these problems. > Why simple things like writing are so complicated? > The extension has been around, for some time... the SGI has a "setxkeyboard" command to load a '.xkm' file, as an example. But this is an extension and doesn't replace the older methods of mapping the keyboard... -- Ørn Einar Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] fax; +46 035 217194 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [1.2 installation]: how to tell X to follow swapping of control and caps lock from loadkeys
On Thu, 2 Jan 1997, Alexander Gieg wrote: > > > What's the best way to swap the Caps Lock and left > > > Control keys under X windows? > > > > It's right in the man page for xmodmap: > > In X Windows 3.1.2 this will work fine, but in 3.2 > you will need to disable the new XKBD extensions and > use the old xmodmap method. I'm running 3.2, and xmodmap works for me. I guess I'm not using XKBD. ...RickM... -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [1.2 installation]: how to tell X to follow swapping of control and caps lock from loadkeys
> > What's the best way to swap the Caps Lock and left > > Control keys under X windows? > > It's right in the man page for xmodmap: In X Windows 3.1.2 this will work fine, but in 3.2 you will need to disable the new XKBD extensions and use the old xmodmap method. The XKBD has only one problem: its very, very, *very* more complex than xmodmap. There isn't any HOWTO (yet, I hope), so I'm reading the full documentation ( > 300 pages!). I think there is an easy solution to these problems. Why simple things like writing are so complicated? Alexander Gieg =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= By: Alexander Gieg E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] URL: http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/3222 IRC: AlexG =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [1.2 installation]: how to tell X to follow swapping of control and caps lock from loadkeys
On Wed, 1 Jan 1997, Daniel S. Barclay wrote: > What's the best way to swap the Caps Lock and left Control keys under > X windows? It's right in the man page for xmodmap: One of the more irritating differences between keyboards is the location of the Control and Shift Lock keys. A common use of xmodmap is to swap these two keys as fol- lows: ! ! Swap Caps_Lock and Control_L ! remove Lock = Caps_Lock remove Control = Control_L keysym Control_L = Caps_Lock keysym Caps_Lock = Control_L add Lock = Caps_Lock add Control = Control_L ...RickM... -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[1.2 installation]: how to tell X to follow swapping of control and caps lock from loadkeys
Another newbie-to-recent-changes question: What's the best way to swap the Caps Lock and left Control keys under X windows? (I used loadkeys to do that for the virtual console. In my old system, I don't know if I forget some X customization I did, or if my old system read the virtual console key map to set up the X key map.) Thanks, Daniel -- Daniel S. Barclay Compass Design Automation, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Suite 100, 5457 Twin Knolls Rd. Columbia, MD 21045 USA -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
