Re: [FIXED] Re: brltty=huge distraction for folks that don't need it.

[Tom Dial]

On 1/3/22 02:46, gene heskett wrote:
> On Monday, January 3, 2022 1:59:56 AM EST john doe wrote:
...

>>
>> It would be nice if you could replicate the issue and file a bug report
>> against the Debian Installer with the D-I logs.
> 
> I appreciate that, but that means I'd have to do a complete re-install from 
> scratch, something I had to do 7 times already as its a full day per install 
> even when most of the storage is now SSD's in raid10 configs. The latest 
> generation of shingled spinning rust is a disaster looking for a place to 
> happen.  And that's just the bare metal install, nowhere near a working 
> system. To redo this system to the state its in now would take around a 
> week. And I still haven't gotten my web page working.

I think that if you did not purposely excise /var/log/installer/* the files 
should still be available. That is the case with my systems that were installed 
from media, some dating to 2006 (or likely earlier; I only checked three).

Regards,
Tom Dial

> 
>> John Doe
> 
> Cheers John, Gene Heskett.
> 

Re: [FIXED] Re: brltty=huge distraction for folks that don't need it.

[gene heskett]

On Monday, January 3, 2022 1:59:56 AM EST john doe wrote:
> On 1/3/2022 4:44 AM, gene heskett wrote:
> > On Sunday, January 2, 2022 9:57:05 PM EST Jean-Philippe MENGUAL wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >> 
> >> Le 02/01/2022 à 23:53, gene heskett a écrit :
> >>> Greetings All;
> >>> 
> >>> Without any conscious prompting by me, te debian 11.1 netinstall for
> >>> x86-64 systems installed and setup whatever was needed to bring the
> >>> screen reader to life.
> >> 
> >> That is strange. Should not happen. The accessibility is installed only
> >> if you press s or if you plug a braille device.
> >> 
> >>> Any thing related to a braile function that I try to remove wants to
> >>> kill
> >>> another 2 or 3 gigs of system with it.
> >> 
> >> Perhaps you can provide your /var/log/installer log somewhere to enable
> >> the team to see what happent? Better, you could report bug to
> >> debian-installer (but probably show here the log first). The log will
> >> be
> >> required anyway.
> > 
> > That's now a month back in history, and this time the dependency hell
> > did
> > not occur so My Next problem is BIQU's, their best BX 3d printer is not
> > "square". But that is not debians problem and I can, given time and
> > caffeine, fix that.
> > 
> >>> Quite distracting to a sighted user when that robotic voice, speaking
> >>> a
> >>> very broken bandwidth of what might be english, blaring out of ones
> >>> speakers 20 db louder than firefoxes audio can I am sure, find a way
> >>> to
> >>> silence this w/o destroying the rest of the system. Removing orca will
> >>> shut it up, but that leaves brltty spamming the daemon.log complaining
> >>> about a missing library every 5 seconds.  And that's close to 40
> >>> megabytes a week.
> >> 
> >> Note waiting for a good solution for packages, in your desktop, you can
> >> disable the accessibility via the control panel.
> > 
> > And where do I find this "control panel".
> > 
> >>> So, how does one shut up this useless to me, screen-reader and kill
> >>> the
> >>> log spamming at the same time?
> > 
> > Other advice has fixed that.
> > 
> >> ALso see wiki.debian.org/accessibility where you see the gsetting line
> >> to enable accessibility (type the same one replacing true with false to
> >> revert the thing).
> >> 
> >>> I think its great that folks have gone to that effort for the
> >>> sightless,
> >>> but why is that sort of stuff always made mandatory.
> >> 
> >> That is a bug I see for the first time. Hence my interest for a log, as
> >> so far no one reported it AFAIK.
> 
> The sooner you report an issue, the quicker it can be fixed for the
> comunity!!! :)
> 
> It would be nice if you could replicate the issue and file a bug report
> against the Debian Installer with the D-I logs.

I appreciate that, but that means I'd have to do a complete re-install from 
scratch, something I had to do 7 times already as its a full day per install 
even when most of the storage is now SSD's in raid10 configs. The latest 
generation of shingled spinning rust is a disaster looking for a place to 
happen.  And that's just the bare metal install, nowhere near a working 
system. To redo this system to the state its in now would take around a 
week. And I still haven't gotten my web page working.

> John Doe

Cheers John, Gene Heskett.
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis
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Re: [FIXED] Re: brltty=huge distraction for folks that don't need it.

[john doe]

On 1/3/2022 4:44 AM, gene heskett wrote:

On Sunday, January 2, 2022 9:57:05 PM EST Jean-Philippe MENGUAL wrote:

Hi,

Le 02/01/2022 à 23:53, gene heskett a écrit :

Greetings All;

Without any conscious prompting by me, te debian 11.1 netinstall for
x86-64 systems installed and setup whatever was needed to bring the
screen reader to life.


That is strange. Should not happen. The accessibility is installed only
if you press s or if you plug a braille device.


Any thing related to a braile function that I try to remove wants to
kill
another 2 or 3 gigs of system with it.


Perhaps you can provide your /var/log/installer log somewhere to enable
the team to see what happent? Better, you could report bug to
debian-installer (but probably show here the log first). The log will be
required anyway.


That's now a month back in history, and this time the dependency hell did
not occur so My Next problem is BIQU's, their best BX 3d printer is not
"square". But that is not debians problem and I can, given time and
caffeine, fix that.


Quite distracting to a sighted user when that robotic voice, speaking a
very broken bandwidth of what might be english, blaring out of ones
speakers 20 db louder than firefoxes audio can I am sure, find a way to
silence this w/o destroying the rest of the system. Removing orca will
shut it up, but that leaves brltty spamming the daemon.log complaining
about a missing library every 5 seconds.  And that's close to 40
megabytes a week.


Note waiting for a good solution for packages, in your desktop, you can
disable the accessibility via the control panel.


And where do I find this "control panel".


So, how does one shut up this useless to me, screen-reader and kill the
log spamming at the same time?


Other advice has fixed that.


ALso see wiki.debian.org/accessibility where you see the gsetting line
to enable accessibility (type the same one replacing true with false to
revert the thing).


I think its great that folks have gone to that effort for the sightless,
but why is that sort of stuff always made mandatory.


That is a bug I see for the first time. Hence my interest for a log, as
so far no one reported it AFAIK.



The sooner you report an issue, the quicker it can be fixed for the
comunity!!! :)

It would be nice if you could replicate the issue and file a bug report
against the Debian Installer with the D-I logs.

--
John Doe

[FIXED] Re: brltty=huge distraction for folks that don't need it.

[gene heskett]

On Sunday, January 2, 2022 9:57:05 PM EST Jean-Philippe MENGUAL wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Le 02/01/2022 à 23:53, gene heskett a écrit :
> > Greetings All;
> > 
> > Without any conscious prompting by me, te debian 11.1 netinstall for
> > x86-64 systems installed and setup whatever was needed to bring the
> > screen reader to life.
> 
> That is strange. Should not happen. The accessibility is installed only
> if you press s or if you plug a braille device.
> 
> > Any thing related to a braile function that I try to remove wants to
> > kill
> > another 2 or 3 gigs of system with it.
> 
> Perhaps you can provide your /var/log/installer log somewhere to enable
> the team to see what happent? Better, you could report bug to
> debian-installer (but probably show here the log first). The log will be
> required anyway.

That's now a month back in history, and this time the dependency hell did 
not occur so My Next problem is BIQU's, their best BX 3d printer is not 
"square". But that is not debians problem and I can, given time and 
caffeine, fix that.

> > Quite distracting to a sighted user when that robotic voice, speaking a
> > very broken bandwidth of what might be english, blaring out of ones
> > speakers 20 db louder than firefoxes audio can I am sure, find a way to
> > silence this w/o destroying the rest of the system. Removing orca will
> > shut it up, but that leaves brltty spamming the daemon.log complaining
> > about a missing library every 5 seconds.  And that's close to 40
> > megabytes a week.
> 
> Note waiting for a good solution for packages, in your desktop, you can
> disable the accessibility via the control panel.

And where do I find this "control panel".

> > So, how does one shut up this useless to me, screen-reader and kill the
> > log spamming at the same time?

Other advice has fixed that.
 
> ALso see wiki.debian.org/accessibility where you see the gsetting line
> to enable accessibility (type the same one replacing true with false to
> revert the thing).
> 
> > I think its great that folks have gone to that effort for the sightless,
> > but why is that sort of stuff always made mandatory.
> 
> That is a bug I see for the first time. Hence my interest for a log, as
> so far no one reported it AFAIK.
> 
> Regards
> 
> > I'd sure appreciate any help cleaning it out
> > 
> > Thanks everybody.
> > 
> > Cheers, Gene Heskett.
> 
> .


Cheers, Gene Heskett.
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis
Genes Web page