Re: [OT] Re: Burn CD
On Sat, Jan 12, 2008 at 11:04:11PM +0100, s. keeling wrote: right (to your tastes)? Why spin off instead into this silly I'm right and everyone else is evil! diatribe? It's hard to stop breathing. ;) -- To the extent that we overreact, we proffer the terrorists the greatest tribute. - High Court Judge Michael Kirby -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Re: Burn CD
* Chris Bannister [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008 Jan 14 05:47 -0600]: On Sun, Jan 13, 2008 at 04:56:09PM -0600, Nate Bargmann wrote: * Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008 Jan 13 14:58 -0600]: This is a waste of time. Am I the only one who's noticed that Schilling's mail/news reader doesn't thread? Mutt has been keeping his posts in the thread here. You are not seeing an * in the thread indicators? Probably am. I have already deleted his ramblings and had to go to the list archives to see what was going on. And, yes, the lack of proper threading looks to be a mess. - Nate -- The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Re: Burn CD
(I was unsure whether to reply privately or on the list. But since there is apparently more than one reader who is objecting to my posting style in this thread, I am going to explain it once publicly and would prefer to take the discussion off-list soon.) Sjoerd Hiemstra: Jochen Schulz: Ron Johnson: Am I the only one who's noticed that Schilling's mail/news reader doesn't thread? No, and that's the way he prefers to take part in mailing lists. Am I the only one who dislikes this kind of gossip? Sorry, it was not my intention to be mean. I am just trying to find a shortcut through that inevitable debate. I have seen it several times now and I know many of the complaints, accusations and side issues like the one about threading. I agree that my previous mail sounded harsh, but it really is the only conclusion to draw from earlier threads. The real reasons behind the situation remain unclear. I would suggest to try both cdrecord and wodim, and see which one you like best. That's of course fine, but it doesn't help in understanding what lead to wodim's existence in the first place. Not that everyone necessarily needs to know them, but if you want to know why there's no cdrecord anymore in Debian, that's the answer. J. -- I feel yawning hollowness whilst talking to people at parties. [Agree] [Disagree] http://www.slowlydownward.com/NODATA/data_enter2.html signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [OT] Re: Burn CD
On Sun, Jan 13, 2008 at 04:56:09PM -0600, Nate Bargmann wrote: * Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008 Jan 13 14:58 -0600]: This is a waste of time. Am I the only one who's noticed that Schilling's mail/news reader doesn't thread? Mutt has been keeping his posts in the thread here. You are not seeing an * in the thread indicators? -- Chris. == -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Re: Burn CD
Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On 01/13/08 14:09, s. keeling wrote: This is a waste of time. Am I the only one who's noticed that Schilling's mail/news reader doesn't thread? I thought that was just yet another of his quirky habits. It explains why he loses attributions too. nail is feature-rich BSD mail(1). How many people do you know who would be content with mailx (which is about what I assume nail is). Ooooh, nail can even do MIME and UTF-8, and even handles SSL! And you laugh at me for being a CLI dinosaur? :-) [No offense intended to nail's author/maintainer, honest. I'm sure it's fine for its purpose, but mail/mailx/nail is a niche tool, not something you'd suggest for Lookout! users to migrate to, ie. your average MUA.] -- Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced. (*)http://blinkynet.net/comp/uip5.html Linux Counter #80292 - -http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1855.htmlPlease, don't Cc: me. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[OT] Re: Burn CD
Joerg Schilling [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Sometimes it is hard to stay quiet, in special if someone publishes incorrect Oh, did I post the wrong link? Here: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?which=pkgdata=wodimarchive=noversion=dist=unstable At the top of the page I see: * Outstanding bugs -- Important bugs; Unclassified (1 bug) * Outstanding bugs -- Normal bugs; Unclassified (2 bugs) * Outstanding bugs -- Wishlist items; Unclassified (1 bug) * Forwarded bugs -- Normal bugs (1 bug) * From other Branch bugs -- Important bugs (5 bugs) * From other Branch bugs -- Normal bugs (13 bugs) * From other Branch bugs -- Minor bugs (6 bugs) * From other Branch bugs -- Wishlist items (6 bugs) Six (6) Imortant bugs. claims about free software. I believe it is important to post real numbers after someone tried to lower the number of bug reports for cdrkit in order to make people believe cdrkit is not full of bugs. I wasn't talking about cdrkit, which you would have known if you'd clicked on the link, or just read it. This is a waste of time. -- Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced. (*)http://blinkynet.net/comp/uip5.html Linux Counter #80292 - -http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1855.htmlPlease, don't Cc: me. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Re: Burn CD
s. keeling wrote: Joerg Schilling [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Sometimes it is hard to stay quiet, in special if someone publishes incorrect http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?which=pkgdata=wodimarchive=noversion=dist=unstable claims about free software. I believe it is important to post real numbers after someone tried to lower the number of bug reports for cdrkit in order to make people believe cdrkit is not full of bugs. I wasn't talking about cdrkit, which you would have known if you'd clicked on the link, or just read it. This is a waste of time. Indeed it is! Rather than pointing out that the bug report page was for wodim whereas cdrkit was the one under discussion (or was it), and giving the *correct* link, he was quick to accuse you of editing and lying! Then he gives a so called list without even a link to the page he refers to. [OT} What he going on with the email client nail? I think it just needs a *nail* in its coffin or my client does not understand threading when nail messages come in? happy cdburning everyone, KS. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Re: Burn CD
On 01/13/08 14:09, s. keeling wrote: Joerg Schilling [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Sometimes it is hard to stay quiet, in special if someone publishes incorrect Oh, did I post the wrong link? Here: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?which=pkgdata=wodimarchive=noversion=dist=unstable [snip] This is a waste of time. Am I the only one who's noticed that Schilling's mail/news reader doesn't thread? -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA I'm not a vegetarian because I love animals, I'm a vegetarian because I hate vegetables! unknown -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Re: Burn CD
Ron Johnson: Am I the only one who's noticed that Schilling's mail/news reader doesn't thread? No, and that's the way he prefers to take part in mailing lists. Earlier attempts to discuss this matter have been, erm, just another waste of time. J. -- Watching television is more hip than actually speaking to anyone. [Agree] [Disagree] http://www.slowlydownward.com/NODATA/data_enter2.html signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [OT] Re: Burn CD
Jochen Schulz: Ron Johnson: Am I the only one who's noticed that Schilling's mail/news reader doesn't thread? No, and that's the way he prefers to take part in mailing lists. Am I the only one who dislikes this kind of gossip? It certainly does not comply with Debian's moral standards, I did mot expect this level of sophistication. The real reasons behind the situation remain unclear. I would suggest to try both cdrecord and wodim, and see which one you like best. I do acknowledge though that 'cdrecord' is a better name. 'Wodim'? What a strange name. Wait wasn't he an old Norwegian god of fire, or lightning and thunder? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Re: Burn CD
* Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008 Jan 13 14:58 -0600]: This is a waste of time. Am I the only one who's noticed that Schilling's mail/news reader doesn't thread? Mutt has been keeping his posts in the thread here. - Nate -- The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[OT] Re: Burn CD
Joerg Schilling [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The real problem is a problem caused by the fact that the people who created the wodim project don't like to cooperate in a way that results in quality. I cannot accept patches that don't fix the problems they are intended to fix but introduce bugs instead. Hey Joerg. Surely, from a software development viewpoint, that's quantifiable, yes? Are there any pointers to the list of bugs? I'm As Debian user, you sould know where the bug replrts are and able to http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?which=pkgdata=wodimarchive=noversion=dist=unstable * Outstanding bugs -- Important bugs; Unclassified (1 bug) * Outstanding bugs -- Normal bugs; Unclassified (2 bugs) * Outstanding bugs -- Wishlist items; Unclassified (1 bug) * Forwarded bugs -- Normal bugs (1 bug) * From other Branch bugs -- Important bugs (5 bugs) * From other Branch bugs -- Normal bugs (13 bugs) * From other Branch bugs -- Minor bugs (6 bugs) * From other Branch bugs -- Wishlist items (6 bugs) Yes, I can see that the Debian community is having an absolutely terrible time trying to get wodim to work. Six Important bugs. What I don't understand about all of this is it stems from a patch, supplied to provide utf-8 support, which you consider substandard code. Why don't you work with those who provided the patch to make it right (to your tastes)? Why spin off instead into this silly I'm right and everyone else is evil! diatribe? -- Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced. (*)http://blinkynet.net/comp/uip5.html Linux Counter #80292 - -http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1855.htmlPlease, don't Cc: me. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
