Re: [OT] google.com

2012-06-15 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Thu, 2012-06-14 at 16:15 +, Camaleón wrote:
 If Google says you are in Malaysia is that _you are_ there.

http://www.affiliateprograms.com/blog/what-to-know-about-duckduckgo/
(Didn't read the duckduckgo article completely myself.)
http://scroogle.org/
https://www.ixquick.com/

In the past other search engines started nice and became evil later,
e.g. Clusty became Yippy. Most nice search engines only work in
English, if they provide e.g. German it happens that you'll get original
English sides, automatically translated into a mix of broken and faked
German (similar to Chaplin's The Great Dictator ... Wiener Schnitzel
Sauerkraut). I get best search results using google.de and google.com.

 http://www.google.com/webhp?complete=0hl=en

Take a look at Curt's link, you also can try http://www.google.com/ncr
instead.

 Sadly, you can only control Google settings _once_ you have login or by 
 keeping their cookies :-(

Or by Firefox addons.

- Ralf


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Re: [OT] google.com

2012-06-15 Thread Ralf Mardorf
Apologize
http://www.scroogle.org/sucks.html


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Re: [OT] google.com

2012-06-15 Thread Curt
On 2012-06-15, lina lina.lastn...@gmail.com wrote:

 Even the first link given by Curt, not work. the www.google.com/ncr
 opened still the Malaysia language.

Did you say what browser you're using?  Do you have the same problem
with all browsers?


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Re: [OT] google.com

2012-06-15 Thread Ralf Mardorf
What IP does a webpage see if you visit it? To ensure what they really
see go to

http://www.heise.de/netze/tools/meine-ip-adresse/

The German words [1] in English: Your request is from the IP address:

Then check the IP at

https://apps.db.ripe.net/search/query.html?form_type=simplefull_query_string=searchtext=do_search=Search

- Ralf

[1] Ihre Anfrage kommt von der IP-Adresse


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Re: [OT] google.com

2012-06-15 Thread Curt
On 2012-06-15, Curt cu...@free.fr wrote:
 On 2012-06-15, lina lina.lastn...@gmail.com wrote:

 Even the first link given by Curt, not work. the www.google.com/ncr
 opened still the Malaysia language.

 Did you say what browser you're using?  Do you have the same problem
 with all browsers?


By the way, a technical evidence research project I have conducted in my
personal laboratory with iceweasal demonstrates that the
www.google.com/ncr url does not work as advertised if you're not
accepting cookies.

Are you accepting cookies in your browser?  Do you remember the ones Mom
you used to make, hot out of the oven?


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Re: [OT] google.com

2012-06-15 Thread Ralf Mardorf
From the German Google it usually is possible to switch to google.com by
the link at the right bottom corner, at the moment it stays at google.de
here.

When I'm using the link from http://www.google.com.my/ I also get the
German Google.

http://www.google.com/webhp?complete=0hl=en is ok here and
http://www.google.com/ncr is ok here too, both will give me an English
Google.

Ubuntu Precise Firefox 13.0 for Ubuntu canonical - 1.0


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Re: [OT] google.com

2012-06-15 Thread rjc
On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 06:44:11AM BST, lina wrote:
 Even the first link given by Curt, not work. the www.google.com/ncr
 opened still the Malaysia language.

What web browser are you using and do you have cookies enabled?

Does this happen in any other browser?

Which country do you reside in?

P.S. Am I to assume that it is still on Debian?

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Re: [OT] google.com

2012-06-15 Thread lina
On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 3:48 PM, Curt cu...@free.fr wrote:
 On 2012-06-15, lina lina.lastn...@gmail.com wrote:

 Even the first link given by Curt, not work. the www.google.com/ncr
 opened still the Malaysia language.

 Did you say what browser you're using?  Do you have the same problem
 with all browsers?

The problem only exist when I used the iceweasle
$ iceweasel -v
Mozilla Iceweasel 10.0.5

The cookies are enabled.

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B93SVRfpVVg3cXU5R295RTZLMEE/edit?pli=1

On Web there is none such problems.


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Re: [OT] google.com

2012-06-15 Thread lina
On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 4:02 PM, Ralf Mardorf
ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote:
 What IP does a webpage see if you visit it? To ensure what they really
 see go to

 http://www.heise.de/netze/tools/meine-ip-adresse/

 The German words [1] in English: Your request is from the IP address:

 Then check the IP at

 https://apps.db.ripe.net/search/query.html?form_type=simplefull_query_string=searchtext=do_search=Search

Thanks, the reported IP the same as the ipaddress.

Seems IP no problem. Even I changed to different cable.

 - Ralf

 [1] Ihre Anfrage kommt von der IP-Adresse


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Re: [OT] google.com

2012-06-15 Thread lina
On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 4:28 PM, Ralf Mardorf
ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote:
 From the German Google it usually is possible to switch to google.com by
 the link at the right bottom corner, at the moment it stays at google.de
 here.

 When I'm using the link from http://www.google.com.my/ I also get the
 German Google.

This one I got the Malaysia one, but different from the www.google.com
malaysia one.


 http://www.google.com/webhp?complete=0hl=en is ok here and
Here is okay too.
 http://www.google.com/ncr is ok here too, both will give me an English
 Google.
Here is not okay.

Thanks with best regards,

 Ubuntu Precise Firefox 13.0 for Ubuntu canonical - 1.0


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Re: [OT] google.com

2012-06-15 Thread lina
On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 3:12 PM, rjc r...@linuxstuff.pl wrote:
 On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 06:44:11AM BST, lina wrote:
 Even the first link given by Curt, not work. the www.google.com/ncr
 opened still the Malaysia language.

 What web browser are you using and do you have cookies enabled?

 Does this happen in any other browser?

 Which country do you reside in?

 P.S. Am I to assume that it is still on Debian?

Thanks for the question you asked.

It's iceweasle related, other browser no problem.

I checked log file,

Sun, Jun 10 2012 12:24:16 +0800

PGRADE] iceweasel:amd64 10.0.4esr-3 - 10.0.5esr-1

Is it due to the updating,


Thanks with best regards,


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Re: [OT] google.com

2012-06-15 Thread Ralf Mardorf
Try upgrading to 13 by stable backports. Perhaps this is useful:
http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2012/06/msg00892.html


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Re: [OT] google.com

2012-06-15 Thread Ralf Mardorf
IMO GOOGLE is borked.

For Firefox Ubuntu, the German Google shows English buttons and links
(selected languages are on top en - us, followed by en and on bottom de,
might cause the button and link language), the Link to google.com links
to google.de.

I didn't reboot to another Linux, e.g. Debian but installed
chromium-browser.

I e.g. could test Safari (Apple) on XP (Windows) on VBox (Arch Linux),
but suspect that Chromium is a good choice.

For Chromium www.google.com resulted in http://www.google.de/ with
German buttons and links, but the link to google.com linked to
http://www.google.de/ too.

Usually I start with google.de and if needed I use the link to
google.com, IIRC it did work yesterday, it at least did work this month.


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Re: [OT] google.com

2012-06-15 Thread rjc
On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 11:47:36AM BST, lina wrote:
 It's iceweasle related, other browser no problem.

In that case quit Iceweasel and:

% mv $HOME/.mozilla/firefox $HOME/.mozilla/firefox.old

If it starts working again remove the new firefox directory, copy
the old one to the original name (keep a copy) and clear all cookies.
If that works, the answer is obvious, if it doesn't clear all the
other settings, etc.

 Is it due to the updating,

Highly unlikely.

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Re: [OT] google.com

2012-06-15 Thread lina
On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 7:59 PM, rjc r...@linuxstuff.pl wrote:
 On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 11:47:36AM BST, lina wrote:
 It's iceweasle related, other browser no problem.

 In that case quit Iceweasel and:

 % mv $HOME/.mozilla/firefox $HOME/.mozilla/firefox.old


Thanks. It works.

Best regards,


 If it starts working again remove the new firefox directory, copy
 the old one to the original name (keep a copy) and clear all cookies.
 If that works, the answer is obvious, if it doesn't clear all the
 other settings, etc.

 Is it due to the updating,

 Highly unlikely.

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Re: [OT] google.com

2012-06-15 Thread hvw59601

Camaleón wrote:

On Thu, 14 Jun 2012 19:30:52 +0800, lina wrote:


I feel something weird, since yesterday when I opened www.google.com it
showed me Bahasa Malaysia, but I have never used the
www.google.com.my.


(...)

If Google says you are in Malaysia is that _you are_ there. Period. Or 
you think you know more than Google, eh? (just kidding ;-P)


Google has become very unfriendly, I always have to use a bookmarked page 
to get Google search in English instead Spanish though using the bookmark 
will work only for the first request, after that you're pissed again :-/


http://www.google.com/webhp?complete=0hl=en

Sadly, you can only control Google settings _once_ you have login or by 
keeping their cookies :-(




Although I am a heavy Google user (except Google+), there is 
disappointment: although I live in Mexico and speak Spanish at home, I 
only Google search through that bookmark... and Google never catches on! 
How hard must it be to note this user never searches in the language 
where we think the user lives?


Hugo


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Re: [OT] google.com

2012-06-15 Thread Camaleón
On Fri, 15 Jun 2012 08:02:13 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:

 On Thu, 2012-06-14 at 16:15 +, Camaleón wrote:
 If Google says you are in Malaysia is that _you are_ there.
 
 http://www.affiliateprograms.com/blog/what-to-know-about-duckduckgo/
 (Didn't read the duckduckgo article completely myself.)
 http://scroogle.org/
 https://www.ixquick.com/

(...)

Yes, I already have those added in my bookmarks but Google search results 
are by far more complete *in some cases* so I finally have to duplicate 
the searches which is a pain and a waste of time :-(

 http://www.google.com/webhp?complete=0hl=en
 
 Take a look at Curt's link, you also can try http://www.google.com/ncr
 instead.

It takes me to www.google.com but it does not disable autocomplete 
which I avoid with complete=0 so I need a rather longish URI to remove 
Google's crap :-/

 Sadly, you can only control Google settings _once_ you have login or by
 keeping their cookies :-(
 
 Or by Firefox addons.

No add-on will be present in my Firefox if I can avoid it, they are 
forbidden :-)

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Re: [OT] google.com

2012-06-15 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Fri, 2012-06-15 at 09:06 -0500, hvw59601 wrote:
 Although I am a heavy Google user (except Google+), there is 
 disappointment: although I live in Mexico and speak Spanish at home, I 
 only Google search through that bookmark... and Google never catches on! 
 How hard must it be to note this user never searches in the language 
 where we think the user lives?

Such companies have another policy than a FLOSS community. AFAIK Windows
in Germany is only available in German language. For Google the
customers aren't the users ;), for Windows the customers are the users.
Anyway, the users are nothing, but beast for slaughter.

Btw. they collect that much data, that I suspect, that it's impossible
today, to use all the data. Facebook lost customers, because the data is
useless for the marketing of those customers.

I always wonder why exclusive, limited editions of exclusive
manufactures with a noble and small circle of selected customers, who
are more friends than customers, still need to collect private data. How
much less CO2 emission would we have, if all those websites would limit
their pathological data collecting by using one tracker instead of seven
and more trackers? Perhaps the EU could allow me to use bulbs with
tungsten filament again, since I need light. I can't use the crippled
light modern bulbs cause and it didn't save even one kWh for my flat.

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/ghostery/
Blocking advertisings, customization off Google, suppressing scripts
etc.? I don't add tons of addons anymore, but
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-us/firefox/addon/nuke-anything-enhanced/
If they flash, nuke'em all.

- Ralf


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Re: [OT] google.com

2012-06-15 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Fri, 2012-06-15 at 14:43 +, Camaleón wrote:
 No add-on will be present in my Firefox if I can avoid it, they are 
 forbidden :-)

:)

I limit the number off add-ons and sometimes I'm using different
profiles. Current Ubuntu has two defaults that can't be removed by
Firefox.
Global Menu Bar Integration - disbaled
Ubuntu Firefox Modification - enabled, I should disable it or take a
look if there should be packages that can be removed
I installed three myself.
Ghostery- enabled
Nuke Anything enhanced  - enabled
Secure Sanitizer- enabled, I should remove it
For Appearance there's the default, disabled and there are 7 Personas
themes, I only use(d) nine, oops, two of seven.
Just one profile, no additional browser, excepted of Chromium, I
installed today, to test the Google search engine.
On other installs I sometimes use Opera instead of Firefox/Iceweasel,
e.g. for my outdated Suse 11.2.

- Ralf

-- 
Why do like that much people Seven of Nine? I preferred Jadzia Dax, from
all those US-American glam style alien women. Star Trek could be so
nice, if they would get rid of this US-American soap opera influences.

http://www.startrek.com/legacy_media/images/200307/dax-jadzia03/320x240.jpg 
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Re: [OT] google.com

2012-06-15 Thread rjc
On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 01:27:10PM BST, lina wrote:
 On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 7:59 PM, rjc r...@linuxstuff.pl wrote:
  On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 11:47:36AM BST, lina wrote:
  It's iceweasle related, other browser no problem.
 
  In that case quit Iceweasel and:
 
  % mv $HOME/.mozilla/firefox $HOME/.mozilla/firefox.old
 
 Thanks. It works.
 
 Best regards,

No worries.

As suspected - coockies or config is at fault :^)

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Re: [OT] google.com

2012-06-15 Thread Curt
On 2012-06-15, rjc r...@linuxstuff.pl wrote:
 No worries.

 As suspected - coockies or config is at fault :^)

I asked if she had cookies enabled but I neglected to ask whether she
had tried getting rid of them (in the privacy settings) and starting
with a clean slate cookie-wise, but I guess we'll never know now
whether it was config or cookie (unless it happens again!).


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[OT] google.com

2012-06-14 Thread lina
Hi,

I feel something weird, since yesterday when I opened www.google.com
it showed me Bahasa Malaysia, but I have never used the www.google.com.my.

Strange huh? I don't know how to fix it, I can compare with other
sites to understand the meaning.

Any suggestions are appreciated.

P.S I checked my IP, it's not in Malaysia. and ever reboot, clear
cache, still not work.

Thanks with best regards,


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Re: [OT] google.com

2012-06-14 Thread lina
I don't know how to check further.

$ ping www.google.com
PING www.l.google.com (173.194.38.144) 56(84) bytes of data.


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Re: [OT] google.com

2012-06-14 Thread Mihamina Rakotomandimby



P.S I checked my IP, it's not in Malaysia. and ever reboot, clear
cache, still not work.


What's your IP?
Geolocation is not always up to date...

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Re: [OT] google.com

2012-06-14 Thread lina
On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 7:35 PM, Mihamina Rakotomandimby
miham...@rktmb.org wrote:

 P.S I checked my IP, it's not in Malaysia. and ever reboot, clear
 cache, still not work.


 What's your IP?
 Geolocation is not always up to date...

from ipaddress it showed correct position.

It used to work well, but since yesterday.


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Re: [OT] google.com

2012-06-14 Thread lina
I changed to another cable. and also tried wireless,

all the same.

P.S I am not in malaysia,

Thanks with best regards,


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Re: [OT] google.com

2012-06-14 Thread Curt
On 2012-06-14, lina lina.lastn...@gmail.com wrote:

 I feel something weird, since yesterday when I opened www.google.com
 it showed me Bahasa Malaysia, but I have never used the www.google.com.my.

 Strange huh? I don't know how to fix it, I can compare with other
 sites to understand the meaning.


http://support.google.com/websearch/bin/answer.py?hl=enanswer=873


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Re: [OT] google.com

2012-06-14 Thread Camaleón
On Thu, 14 Jun 2012 19:30:52 +0800, lina wrote:

 I feel something weird, since yesterday when I opened www.google.com it
 showed me Bahasa Malaysia, but I have never used the
 www.google.com.my.

(...)

If Google says you are in Malaysia is that _you are_ there. Period. Or 
you think you know more than Google, eh? (just kidding ;-P)

Google has become very unfriendly, I always have to use a bookmarked page 
to get Google search in English instead Spanish though using the bookmark 
will work only for the first request, after that you're pissed again :-/

http://www.google.com/webhp?complete=0hl=en

Sadly, you can only control Google settings _once_ you have login or by 
keeping their cookies :-(

Greetings,

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Re: [OT] google.com

2012-06-14 Thread Ralf Mardorf
Edit  Preferences  Content  Languages didn't change accidental?
When I remove German de, I sometimes directly get google.com. Tested
now, but it has got no impact at the moment.


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Re: [OT] google.com

2012-06-14 Thread lina
On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 1:25 PM, Ralf Mardorf
ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote:
 Edit  Preferences  Content  Languages didn't change accidental?
 When I remove German de, I sometimes directly get google.com. Tested
 now, but it has got no impact at the moment.

I only had English setting there.

Even the first link given by Curt, not work. the www.google.com/ncr
opened still the Malaysia language.

Frankly speaking, I felt a bit frustrated. I know nothing about this language.

Though I went to Malaysia three times total, but it's years ago and I
didn't take my laptop.

I guess I'd better avoid using www.google.com temporarily.



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