Re: [Off Topic] An EXCELLENT Microsoft Confidential document on why MS is in trouble from OpenSource OSes like Linux

1998-11-06 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Wed, Nov 04, 1998 at 12:09:54PM +0100, Roberto Ripio wrote:
 El Wed, 04 Nov 1998, Chad A. Adlawan escribió:
  http://www.opensource.org/halloween.html

Very interesting. I can't believe they describe Gimp 1.0 as Paintbrush.

At least they weren't stupid enough to say nasty things about Perl, given
that they distribute a Windows version with the NT 4 resource kit.


Hamish
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[Off Topic] An EXCELLENT Microsoft Confidential document on why MS is in trouble from OpenSource OSes like Linux

1998-11-04 Thread Chad A. Adlawan
Hi everyone !  Anyway, i glanced on this one from David Ranch's page
and some of you might be intersted in reading it.
Cheers,
Chad



This is an excellent doc that was leaked out of MS on the future
issue of Open Source OSes like Linux, etc.  The hosting WWW site
has already noted that MS might take legal action to take down
the page so if its gone by the time you get to it, lemmie know
and I'll send you a copy.

Its a little long but it reads well and it REALLY tells of
Linux's true power.  The PEOPLE!

http://www.opensource.org/halloween.html

--David
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Re: [Off Topic] An EXCELLENT Microsoft Confidential document on why MS is in trouble from OpenSource OSes like Linux

1998-11-04 Thread Roberto Ripio
El Wed, 04 Nov 1998, Chad A. Adlawan escribió:
Hi everyone !  Anyway, i glanced on this one from David Ranch's page
and some of you might be intersted in reading it.  


This is an excellent doc that was leaked out of MS on the future
issue of Open Source OSes like Linux, etc.  The hosting WWW site
has already noted that MS might take legal action to take down
the page so if its gone by the time you get to it, lemmie know
and I'll send you a copy.

Its a little long but it reads well and it REALLY tells of
Linux's true power.  The PEOPLE!

   http://www.opensource.org/halloween.html

--David
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||  David A. Ranch - Remote Access/Linux/PC hardware  [EMAIL PROTECTED]  |

As published, the document is edited by Eric S. Raymond, who has added very
interesting comments. As has been pointed previously by other list members
(thanks to them!) it can also be reached at
http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/halloween.html .
I would like to highlight the paragraphs that i felt more worrying, or, in
ESR words, more sinister. ESR comments follows indented.

Linux can win as long as services / protocols are commodities

 { We sense a theme developing here...

 To put it slightly differently: Linux can win if services are open
 and protocols are simple, transparent. Microsoft can only win
 if services are closed and protocols are complex, opaque.

 To put it even more bluntly: commodity services and protocols are
 good things for customers; they promote competition and choice. 
 Therefore, for Microsoft to win, the customer must lose.

OSS projects have been able to gain a foothold in many server applications 
because of the wide utility of highly commoditized, simple protocols. By 
extending these protocols and developing new protocols, we can deny OSS
projects entry into the market.

  { In other words, open protocols must be locked up and the IETF
  crushed in order to ``de-commoditize protocols  applications''
  and stop open-source software.

  Once again, open-source advocates' best response is to point out
  to customers that when things are ``de-commoditized'', vendors
  gain and customers lose. }
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It is also noted that one of the strategies of MS will be the monitoring of
linux related lists and newsgroups, so I would like to take avail myself
of this opportunity to send a salutation to a linux-hacker friend currently at
MS headquarters ;-)

Roberto Ripio
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