Re: A list administation query
* Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005-01-07] : There is a difference between an SMTP-reject and a bounce message. =20 Generally, an SMTP-reject will result in a bounce message only if a=20 real MTA is sending. Assuming that I have understood the distinction correctly, it appears to validate my current practice. My From: address is the address that was destroyed by the Swem worm. Messages to it will be rejected by my ISP (who also learnt something from the Swem worm). The programs, with which I am familiar, all automatically select the Reply-To: entry for list readers who wish to reply direct. Email harvesters, who trawl public lists, normally focus on the From: entry. The encrypting service, offered by gmane, would add an additional level of security. But the delay in posting follow-up messages via gmane makes it a less that perfect option. Especially as I already have built-in delays due to using an off-line newsreader and only download the headers of new postings in the first instance. Felix Karpfen -- Felix Karpfen Public Key 72FDF9DF (DH/DSA) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: A list administation query
* Brian Pack [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005-01-05] : On Tuesday 04 January 2005 07:23 pm, Paul Johnson wrote: On Tuesday 04 January 2005 11:37 am, Felixk Karpfen wrote: Having lost two mailboxes to the the Swem-worm flood, I do not willingly post my true address to any public forum. Munging is considered harmful, get your mail admin to reject viruses the right way. http://www.interhack.net/pubs/munging-harmful http://ursine.dyndns.org/Rejecting_Viruses_The_Right_Way this is probably= =20 one of the most important posts I've seen in a long time. Bookmarked those= =20 two links in a heartbeat. Thanks most kindly. I will read the references too - although I am aware of the debate. However let me restate my initial statement - just in case it was too cryptic. There are no problems with viruses and spam on _my_ computer; the needed software to handle them is operational. There were massive problems with the Swem worm on my _ISPs'_ computers. And they were not alone. Telstra - our national telecommunications carrier - opted to refund hundreds of thousands of dollars to its customers due to the havoc that the Swem worm was able to wreak with the services that Telstra provides. My own compromise is to use a munged From: address and a valid Reply-To: address. But, even so, I would prefer to have the addresses encrypted if that were doable. Felix Karpfen P.S. I like that 'if you munge your address, then the terrorists win' :) --nextPart2431298.nUBhf6WKom Content-Type: application/pgp-signature --nextPart2431298.nUBhf6WKom-- -- Felix Karpfen Public Key 72FDF9DF (DH/DSA) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: A list administation query
On Wednesday 05 January 2005 00:23, Paul Johnson wrote: On Tuesday 04 January 2005 11:37 am, Felixk Karpfen wrote: Having lost two mailboxes to the the Swem-worm flood, I do not willingly post my true address to any public forum. Munging is considered harmful, get your mail admin to reject viruses the right way. http://www.interhack.net/pubs/munging-harmful http://ursine.dyndns.org/Rejecting_Viruses_The_Right_Way Instead of denying messages I have taken to discarding them. I do deny what appears to be spam (just so I have sent a formal message back saying I don't want it) but viruses I just chuck down a black hole (after TEERGRUBBING the sender). I seems to me kinder on the internet not to clog up the system any more than I really need to, and since, as the first link says, most of the bounce messages don't go back to the originator -- Alan Chandler [EMAIL PROTECTED] First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win. --Gandhi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: A list administation query
On Thursday 06 January 2005 01:20 pm, Alan Chandler wrote: I seems to me kinder on the internet not to clog up the system any more than I really need to, and since, as the first link says, most of the bounce messages don't go back to the originator There is a difference between an SMTP-reject and a bounce message. Generally, an SMTP-reject will result in a bounce message only if a real MTA is sending. Viruses will just get an error code and discard it: no bounce generated. -- Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://ursine.dyndns.org/~baloo/ pgpVqR2mU3hVJ.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: A list administation query
On 2005-01-01, Michael D. Crawford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know the answer to your question, but a feature I'd like for mailing lists to have in general would be send only subscriptions. === I believe that those are the correct words (that I could not recall). But, as several other respondents pointed out in answers sent to me directly, list.debian.user is an open list and anyone can post to it. By the same token, all email-harvesters can trawl the list archives for addresses. Having lost two mailboxes to the the Swem-worm flood, I do not willingly post my true address to any public forum. The results of my posting via gmane are confusing - given that my addresses are supposed to be encrypted and only Gmane knows my true email address. In fact, some of my postings have an encrypted address and some do not. Gmane points out that the encrypt feature is in the hands of the list administrator. So perhaps my question should have been: What do I need to do to get my encryption requests accepted by list.debian.user ? For the record, my preferred newsserver lists the postings to the list, but has its own way of handling postings intended for the list. An attempt to send a message via that newsserver bounced with the following advice (abbreviated): ,[ bounce.txt ]- | * Moderation Robot [EMAIL PROTECTED] [01.01.05 07:40]: | linux.debian.user is a moderated newsgroup in gateway | with a mailing list. | | Your article has been examined by the automatic moderation program | and has been refused because: | | this hierarchy accepts posts only from registered users. | You can register for posting by subscribing to the [EMAIL PROTECTED] | mailing list. You can do so by sending a message with subscribe in the | body at the [EMAIL PROTECTED] address or by visiting | http://lists.bofh.it/listinfo/linux-gate . | ` This reply from the Moderation Robot inspired me to post my original query. Felix Karpfen -- Felix Karpfen Public Key 72FDF9DF (DH/DSA) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: A list administation query
On Tuesday 04 January 2005 11:37 am, Felixk Karpfen wrote: Having lost two mailboxes to the the Swem-worm flood, I do not willingly post my true address to any public forum. Munging is considered harmful, get your mail admin to reject viruses the right way. http://www.interhack.net/pubs/munging-harmful http://ursine.dyndns.org/Rejecting_Viruses_The_Right_Way -- Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://ursine.dyndns.org/~baloo/ pgp1zGE3MefaL.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: A list administation query
On Tuesday 04 January 2005 07:23 pm, Paul Johnson wrote: On Tuesday 04 January 2005 11:37 am, Felixk Karpfen wrote: Having lost two mailboxes to the the Swem-worm flood, I do not willingly post my true address to any public forum. Munging is considered harmful, get your mail admin to reject viruses the right way. http://www.interhack.net/pubs/munging-harmful http://ursine.dyndns.org/Rejecting_Viruses_The_Right_Way After hearing some rather odd news about my ISP's approach to email virus protection (read: there is none... it's all on the user), this is probably one of the most important posts I've seen in a long time. Bookmarked those two links in a heartbeat. Thanks most kindly. P.S. I like that 'if you munge your address, then the terrorists win' :) pgpNmS6X7img4.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: A list administation query
Carl Fink wrote: Mailman has this as an option (settable by each user individually). I also subscribe several of my e-mail addresses to the lists as NOMAIL so I can send mail to the list from any mailbox without worrying about it being rejected. Any reason why Debian doesn't use Mailman? Seems like everywhere else, Mailman is the standard. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
A list administation query
Is there a subscribe to list option that will enable me to post messages to the list and continue to read the posted listings via a newsgroup? Currently, I have to subscribe to gmane.linux.debian.user to be able to post messages. Felix Karpfen -- Felix Karpfen Public Key 72FDF9DF (DH/DSA) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: A list administation query
I don't know the answer to your question, but a feature I'd like for mailing lists to have in general would be send only subscriptions. I think anyone can post to debian-user (not sure), but many lists only allow subscribers to post, in an effort to keep out spam. What I'd like to do is subscribe in such a way that I can post but not recieve the list in email. Instead, I would read the list off a web archive. Even if I were able to filter out all my spam, I subscribe to so many mailing lists (over fifty), that I get about 30,000 legitimate emails a month. I have to read my mail with elm, as that's the only mail reader I've been able to find that can handle my collosal inbox. That would be OK if I read every list post, but I only select a few to read from any given list, based on the message subject. It's a waste that I receive all the other messages that I don't read. Happy New Year! Michael D. Crawford [EMAIL PROTECTED] Read GoingWare's Bag of Programming Tricks at: http://www.goingware.com/tips/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: A list administation query
On Sat, Jan 01, 2005 at 04:09:28PM -0400, Michael D. Crawford wrote: I think anyone can post to debian-user (not sure), but many lists only allow subscribers to post, in an effort to keep out spam. What I'd like to do is subscribe in such a way that I can post but not recieve the list in email. Instead, I would read the list off a web archive. Mailman has this as an option (settable by each user individually). I also subscribe several of my e-mail addresses to the lists as NOMAIL so I can send mail to the list from any mailbox without worrying about it being rejected. -- Carl Fink [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabootu's Minister of Proofreading http://www.jabootu.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
