Re: ATI FireGL V5200, proprietary and open source drivers
Hello, please use ENVY to install the newest Driver on your Debian Like System. I ve install Ubuntu 7.10 on my Lenovo Z61p (Fire GL V5200 mobil) and only the envy installed version of ATI-Driver works with 3D OpenGL an Compiz 3D Desktop. Please check that fglrx-info shows no MESA Driver! Good luck., Andreas, Germany Jim McCloskey schrieb: Recently, I have posted to both of these lists: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2008/07/msg02029.html http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/2008/07/msg00012.html about the struggles I've had with the ATI graphics adapter (Mobility FireGL V5200) in my Thinkpad T60p. The proprietary driver supplied by ATI (fglrx) has proved a nightmare for me---suspend/resume hasn't worked, no xv extension, frequent X crashes, freezes, no hardware acceleration, the slow scrolling problem with Firefox/Iceweasel 3, which has now also been documented by many others. I concluded, though, with this: | So there are still no very good choices for linux users who have | made the mistake of buying a system which includes one of these new | ATI adapters. This turns out not to be true, and I want to withdraw it. I've been using both available open source drivers in the past week: the radeonhd driver (xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd) and the radeon driver (xserver-xorg-video-radeon) from current testing (soon to be stable), and both now give excellent dependable results with this card. At present, I'm using the radeon driver from testing with an absolutely minimalist xorg.conf, and: . all routine stuff is fine (Firefox 3, moving windows, moving from screen to screen etc) . suspend/resume works fine . the xv video extension works fine, and so video playback is good . hardware acceleration is enabled; I get about 1900 frames per second with glxgears, which is more than good enough to run GoogleEarth, the only 3D application I care about These results are achieved by installing the latest libdrm and mesa libraries (libdrm2, libgl1-mesa-dri, libgl1-mesa-glx, libglu1-mesa, mesa-utils, libgl1-mesa-dev) and crucially by installing up to date versions of the kernel drm modules from the git repository at freedesktop.org. This last sounds intimidating, but fortunately it has been made easy by Debian/Ubuntu developer Tormod Volden, who has provided a script here: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~xorg-edgers/xorg-server/xorg-pkg-tools/files called `easy-drm-modules-installer'. This script calls git to download the latest development snapshots, compiles the modules against the running kernel and installs them. Rebooting causes those modules to be used rather than the current kernel modules. This is, obviously, recent development software and so one has no right to expect stability, but so far for me at least there have been no problems. This is real progress, I think. Jim -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ATI FireGL V5200, proprietary and open source drivers
On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 5:40 PM, Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 07/29/08 18:07, Kelly Clowers wrote: On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 2:42 PM, Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 07/29/08 16:00, Kelly Clowers wrote: On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 10:34 AM, Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 07/29/08 11:38, Jim McCloskey wrote: Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Does this infer that you need a graphical console, DRM or a kernel | frame buffer? Not as far as I can tell. The script checks for various dependencies (git, headers for the running kernel, the kernel building packages and so on) but I can't see that it checks kernel configuration options (assuming that that was what you had in mind), Is CONFIG_DRM set in /boot/config-2.6* ? The Direct Render Manager has to be active for 3D to work. I think 2D xrender and XAA should work fine, but I believe that desktop effects and compiz require 3D. EXA should work, but will likely be *very* slow without DRM/DRI. XV should work fine without DRM/DRI, but I am not sure about XVmc. Do you not use DRM/DRI? Not needed with vesa, nv or nvidia drivers. 3D, aiglx and xvmc all work like a charm with the nvidia binary driver. Interesting, it looks like the nvidia binary drivers do their own thing. And of course vesa and nv have no 3D. Do you boot directly into [xkg]dm? I don't use *DMs (am I correctly remembering that you don't either?). I boot to the cli and run xstart.sh, which lets me choose which WM I want to use. These days I use awesome 3.0pre-alpha (git). Why do you ask? Cheers, Kelly Clowers
Re: ATI FireGL V5200, proprietary and open source drivers
On 07/30/08 10:55, Kelly Clowers wrote: On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 5:40 PM, Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] Do you boot directly into [xkg]dm? I don't use *DMs (am I correctly remembering that you don't either?). I boot to the cli and run xstart.sh, which lets me choose which WM I want to use. These days I use awesome 3.0pre-alpha (git). Why do you ask? That's good to know. For some reason, many years ago I got the impression that DRI/DRM was GUI-only, and I think that text boot is valuable since it should Just Work no matter what. (BTW, when I originally replied to this email after viewing it in html mode, all nesting characters were stripped out. I had to go back and view as text in order to get nesting back in this mail. Weird...) -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Kittens give Morbo gas. In lighter news, the city of New New York is doomed. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ATI FireGL V5200, proprietary and open source drivers
Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Does this infer that you need a graphical console, DRM or a kernel | frame buffer? Not as far as I can tell. The script checks for various dependencies (git, headers for the running kernel, the kernel building packages and so on) but I can't see that it checks kernel configuration options (assuming that that was what you had in mind), Jim -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ATI FireGL V5200, proprietary and open source drivers
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 07/29/08 11:38, Jim McCloskey wrote: Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Does this infer that you need a graphical console, DRM or a kernel | frame buffer? Not as far as I can tell. The script checks for various dependencies (git, headers for the running kernel, the kernel building packages and so on) but I can't see that it checks kernel configuration options (assuming that that was what you had in mind), Is CONFIG_DRM set in /boot/config-2.6* ? - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Kittens give Morbo gas. In lighter news, the city of New New York is doomed. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkiPVLwACgkQS9HxQb37XmfYDgCfai1DiZvDXI32NZj/E8foRA6S QtEAoKqI3j5FPYliQ+fjZHlAhe6jHVX3 =jF2T -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ATI FireGL V5200, proprietary and open source drivers
On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 10:34 AM, Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 07/29/08 11:38, Jim McCloskey wrote: Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Does this infer that you need a graphical console, DRM or a kernel | frame buffer? Not as far as I can tell. The script checks for various dependencies (git, headers for the running kernel, the kernel building packages and so on) but I can't see that it checks kernel configuration options (assuming that that was what you had in mind), Is CONFIG_DRM set in /boot/config-2.6* ? The Direct Render Manager has to be active for 3D to work. I think 2D xrender and XAA should work fine, but I believe that desktop effects and compiz require 3D. EXA should work, but will likely be *very* slow without DRM/DRI. XV should work fine without DRM/DRI, but I am not sure about XVmc. Do you not use DRM/DRI? Cheers, Kelly Clowers -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ATI FireGL V5200, proprietary and open source drivers
On 07/29/08 16:00, Kelly Clowers wrote: On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 10:34 AM, Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 07/29/08 11:38, Jim McCloskey wrote: Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Does this infer that you need a graphical console, DRM or a kernel | frame buffer? Not as far as I can tell. The script checks for various dependencies (git, headers for the running kernel, the kernel building packages and so on) but I can't see that it checks kernel configuration options (assuming that that was what you had in mind), Is CONFIG_DRM set in /boot/config-2.6* ? The Direct Render Manager has to be active for 3D to work. I think 2D xrender and XAA should work fine, but I believe that desktop effects and compiz require 3D. EXA should work, but will likely be *very* slow without DRM/DRI. XV should work fine without DRM/DRI, but I am not sure about XVmc. Do you not use DRM/DRI? Not needed with vesa, nv or nvidia drivers. 3D, aiglx and xvmc all work like a charm with the nvidia binary driver. -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Kittens give Morbo gas. In lighter news, the city of New New York is doomed. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ATI FireGL V5200, proprietary and open source drivers
On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 2:42 PM, Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 07/29/08 16:00, Kelly Clowers wrote: On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 10:34 AM, Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 07/29/08 11:38, Jim McCloskey wrote: Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Does this infer that you need a graphical console, DRM or a kernel | frame buffer? Not as far as I can tell. The script checks for various dependencies (git, headers for the running kernel, the kernel building packages and so on) but I can't see that it checks kernel configuration options (assuming that that was what you had in mind), Is CONFIG_DRM set in /boot/config-2.6* ? The Direct Render Manager has to be active for 3D to work. I think 2D xrender and XAA should work fine, but I believe that desktop effects and compiz require 3D. EXA should work, but will likely be *very* slow without DRM/DRI. XV should work fine without DRM/DRI, but I am not sure about XVmc. Do you not use DRM/DRI? Not needed with vesa, nv or nvidia drivers. 3D, aiglx and xvmc all work like a charm with the nvidia binary driver. Interesting, it looks like the nvidia binary drivers do their own thing. And of course vesa and nv have no 3D. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ATI FireGL V5200, proprietary and open source drivers
On 07/29/08 18:07, Kelly Clowers wrote: On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 2:42 PM, Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 07/29/08 16:00, Kelly Clowers wrote: On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 10:34 AM, Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 07/29/08 11:38, Jim McCloskey wrote: Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Does this infer that you need a graphical console, DRM or a kernel | frame buffer? Not as far as I can tell. The script checks for various dependencies (git, headers for the running kernel, the kernel building packages and so on) but I can't see that it checks kernel configuration options (assuming that that was what you had in mind), Is CONFIG_DRM set in /boot/config-2.6* ? The Direct Render Manager has to be active for 3D to work. I think 2D xrender and XAA should work fine, but I believe that desktop effects and compiz require 3D. EXA should work, but will likely be *very* slow without DRM/DRI. XV should work fine without DRM/DRI, but I am not sure about XVmc. Do you not use DRM/DRI? Not needed with vesa, nv or nvidia drivers. 3D, aiglx and xvmc all work like a charm with the nvidia binary driver. Interesting, it looks like the nvidia binary drivers do their own thing. And of course vesa and nv have no 3D. Do you boot directly into [xkg]dm? -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Kittens give Morbo gas. In lighter news, the city of New New York is doomed. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ATI FireGL V5200, proprietary and open source drivers
Recently, I have posted to both of these lists: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2008/07/msg02029.html http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/2008/07/msg00012.html about the struggles I've had with the ATI graphics adapter (Mobility FireGL V5200) in my Thinkpad T60p. The proprietary driver supplied by ATI (fglrx) has proved a nightmare for me---suspend/resume hasn't worked, no xv extension, frequent X crashes, freezes, no hardware acceleration, the slow scrolling problem with Firefox/Iceweasel 3, which has now also been documented by many others. I concluded, though, with this: | So there are still no very good choices for linux users who have | made the mistake of buying a system which includes one of these new | ATI adapters. This turns out not to be true, and I want to withdraw it. I've been using both available open source drivers in the past week: the radeonhd driver (xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd) and the radeon driver (xserver-xorg-video-radeon) from current testing (soon to be stable), and both now give excellent dependable results with this card. At present, I'm using the radeon driver from testing with an absolutely minimalist xorg.conf, and: . all routine stuff is fine (Firefox 3, moving windows, moving from screen to screen etc) . suspend/resume works fine . the xv video extension works fine, and so video playback is good . hardware acceleration is enabled; I get about 1900 frames per second with glxgears, which is more than good enough to run GoogleEarth, the only 3D application I care about These results are achieved by installing the latest libdrm and mesa libraries (libdrm2, libgl1-mesa-dri, libgl1-mesa-glx, libglu1-mesa, mesa-utils, libgl1-mesa-dev) and crucially by installing up to date versions of the kernel drm modules from the git repository at freedesktop.org. This last sounds intimidating, but fortunately it has been made easy by Debian/Ubuntu developer Tormod Volden, who has provided a script here: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~xorg-edgers/xorg-server/xorg-pkg-tools/files called `easy-drm-modules-installer'. This script calls git to download the latest development snapshots, compiles the modules against the running kernel and installs them. Rebooting causes those modules to be used rather than the current kernel modules. This is, obviously, recent development software and so one has no right to expect stability, but so far for me at least there have been no problems. This is real progress, I think. Jim -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ATI FireGL V5200, proprietary and open source drivers
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 07/28/08 16:26, Jim McCloskey wrote: [snip] These results are achieved by installing the latest libdrm and mesa libraries (libdrm2, libgl1-mesa-dri, libgl1-mesa-glx, libglu1-mesa, mesa-utils, libgl1-mesa-dev) and crucially by installing up to date versions of the kernel drm modules from the git repository at freedesktop.org. This last sounds intimidating, but fortunately it has been made easy by Debian/Ubuntu developer Tormod Volden, who has provided a script here: Does this infer that you need a graphical console, DRM or a kernel frame buffer? http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~xorg-edgers/xorg-server/xorg-pkg-tools/files called `easy-drm-modules-installer'. This script calls git to download the latest development snapshots, compiles the modules against the running kernel and installs them. Rebooting causes those modules to be used rather than the current kernel modules. This is, obviously, recent development software and so one has no right to expect stability, but so far for me at least there have been no problems. - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Kittens give Morbo gas. In lighter news, the city of New New York is doomed. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkiOYukACgkQS9HxQb37Xmdq2gCgyEUDYzgWMhKXCuUUXM3j7Ng7 Dr4AoKwfBAOP1zBbHdbCgVyIA90YnN4/ =4PiS -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
