Re: Accent chars instead of VGA graphics from Ubuntu system (terminal via ssh)
Hi, On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 06:05:29PM -0500, Nate Bargmann wrote: * Nate Bargmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008 Jul 30 16:34 -0500]: Maybe my Sid box should be default UTF8. I'm going to try that since the dialog advises that it should be the default. That was, errr, interesting. Since I have locale-purge installed and it runs after packages are installed via Aptitude, it helpfully cleaned out the en_US.UTF-8 locale since I hadn't selected it back who know's when via the locales package. All kinds of weired and interesting effects occured once I allowed en_US.UTF-8 become the default. :-) Somehow this message looks like reply to my posting on mutt while I see no reason. Nate, you know that en_US locale means en_US.ISO-8859-1 locale Enen if your transition from old ISO-8859-1 to UTF-8 was not smooth and was easier to stay with ISO-8859-1 does not gurantee easy life for ever. Basically, world is moving from C - ISO-8859-1 - UTF-8. C has place to live for embedded system etc. But ISO-8859-1 will be deprecated standard for system default. As a work around I've set en_US as my locale in my .bashrc and will wait until a number of pacakges get updated and the UTF locale gets restored before trying again. At least I think I'm on the right track. System default of locale is not really set by .bashrc. That is only fro program executed from BASH shell. Your terminal window program may be running by the locale set by the PAM. I guess that some tools fall into the realm of if you know what you're doing. ;-) Yes. I should say All tools fail eventually if you do not know what you're doing. ;-). As for environment, start reading Debian Refrnce (debian-reference-en paclaje in lenny) or read it on line: http://people.debian.org/~osamu/pub/getwiki/html/ch09.en.html#thelocale Osamu -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Accent chars instead of VGA graphics from Ubuntu system (terminal via ssh)
* Osamu Aoki [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008 Jul 31 06:41 -0500]: Hi, On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 06:05:29PM -0500, Nate Bargmann wrote: * Nate Bargmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008 Jul 30 16:34 -0500]: Maybe my Sid box should be default UTF8. I'm going to try that since the dialog advises that it should be the default. That was, errr, interesting. Since I have locale-purge installed and it runs after packages are installed via Aptitude, it helpfully cleaned out the en_US.UTF-8 locale since I hadn't selected it back who know's when via the locales package. All kinds of weired and interesting effects occured once I allowed en_US.UTF-8 become the default. :-) Somehow this message looks like reply to my posting on mutt while I see no reason. It was a reply to my post which was a reply to yours. :-) Nate, you know that en_US locale means en_US.ISO-8859-1 locale I figured that out last night. I had that set because some years back there was breakage in Perl due to the default locale being C as I recall. Enen if your transition from old ISO-8859-1 to UTF-8 was not smooth and was easier to stay with ISO-8859-1 does not gurantee easy life for ever. Basically, world is moving from C - ISO-8859-1 - UTF-8. C has place to live for embedded system etc. But ISO-8859-1 will be deprecated standard for system default. I understand. My selection of en_US is from long ago. I've just realized the effect now. The installation on this box can be traced back to early 2003 and it has been upgraded continuosly since then. Some settings haven't been changed since! Actually, parts of /etc came from a couple of previous installations, so some things may be traced back to 1999 or so. As a work around I've set en_US as my locale in my .bashrc and will wait until a number of pacakges get updated and the UTF locale gets restored before trying again. At least I think I'm on the right track. System default of locale is not really set by .bashrc. That is only fro program executed from BASH shell. Your terminal window program may be running by the locale set by the PAM. I see. But, each of my shells in Konsole runs .bashrc as I start them as login shells and in that file I have a line `export LANG=en_US' and when I commented that out after setting en_US.UTF-8 to be the default locale and restarting the system is when the fun began. Mutt's graphical threading characters were replaced by accented ones and FTE's screen was completely destroyed. So, I presume that erroneously having localepurge delete the en_US.UTF-8 locale for all this time was the cause. So, I reinstated the export line in my .bashrc and I'll try again a while from now after various packages have had time to update and (hopefully) the en_US.UTF-8 locale is present. Yes. I should say All tools fail eventually if you do not know what you're doing. ;-). How else does one learn without a self imposed challenge? :-) As for environment, start reading Debian Refrnce (debian-reference-en paclaje in lenny) or read it on line: http://people.debian.org/~osamu/pub/getwiki/html/ch09.en.html#thelocale Thanks, I'll check that out. - Nate -- The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true. Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://n0nb.us/index.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Accent chars instead of VGA graphics from Ubuntu system (terminal via ssh)
Yeah, the subject is too short. I posted the following on the Ubuntu forums with no reply so I thought I'd try our group. Having just installed Mythbuntu 8.04.1 onto a recently procured computer, I'm doing tasks via ssh. I have several Debian Sid boxes and I've not run into this issue until I began using the Mythbuntu box. What I see are VGA style graphics characters replaced by accented alphabet letters. Here is a snapshot of Midnight Commander: http://n0nb.us/pix/snap4.jpg Ordinarily it appears as this on the rest of my machines: http://n0nb.us/pix/snap5.jpg While I'm inclined to think it's a terminal issue, I suppose it could be something else such as locale? Also, it's not just Midnight Commander as I saw the same thing with Aptitude. For the record I get the same strange characters when logging into the Mythbuntu box remotely from a Linux console on my Debian desktop machine. - Nate -- The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true. Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://n0nb.us/index.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Accent chars instead of VGA graphics from Ubuntu system (terminal via ssh)
On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 07:15:55AM -0500, Nate Bargmann wrote: Having just installed Mythbuntu 8.04.1 onto a recently procured computer, I'm doing tasks via ssh. I have several Debian Sid boxes and I've not run into this issue until I began using the Mythbuntu box. What I see are VGA style graphics characters replaced by accented alphabet letters. Here is a snapshot of Midnight Commander: After the SSH terminal opens, did you try replacing the shell or opening a new xterm with a unicode enabled terminal (xterm -u8 for example)? -- Patrick Ouellette [EMAIL PROTECTED] ne4po (at) arrl (dot) net Amateur Radio: NE4PO Crank the amp to 11, this needs more cowbell - and a llama wouldn't hurt either Your arguments are an odd mix of overly optimistic on one side and overly pessimistic on the other -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Accent chars instead of VGA graphics from Ubuntu system (terminal via ssh)
On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 07:15:55AM -0500, Nate Bargmann wrote: Yeah, the subject is too short. I posted the following on the Ubuntu forums with no reply so I thought I'd try our group. Having just installed Mythbuntu 8.04.1 onto a recently procured computer, I'm doing tasks via ssh. I have several Debian Sid boxes and I've not run into this issue until I began using the Mythbuntu box. What I see are VGA style graphics characters replaced by accented alphabet letters. Here is a snapshot of Midnight Commander: http://n0nb.us/pix/snap4.jpg I see. Ordinarily it appears as this on the rest of my machines: http://n0nb.us/pix/snap5.jpg While I'm inclined to think it's a terminal issue, I suppose it could be something else such as locale? Also, it's not just Midnight Commander as I saw the same thing with Aptitude. For the record I get the same strange characters when logging into the Mythbuntu box remotely from a Linux console on my Debian desktop machine. What I see is charater encoding issue. Terminal does not understand UTF-8 (That is Mythbuntu 8.04 problem) while it looks like you are runing sid in en_US.UTF-8 or so. Check encoding of both system. Try work around problem using $ mc -a or $ LANG=C mc -a or something like this. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Accent chars instead of VGA graphics from Ubuntu system (terminal via ssh)
* Osamu Aoki [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008 Jul 30 09:15 -0500]: What I see is charater encoding issue. Terminal does not understand UTF-8 (That is Mythbuntu 8.04 problem) while it looks like you are runing sid in en_US.UTF-8 or so. Check encoding of both system. My Sid box shows: $ echo $LANG en_US The Mythbuntu box shows: $ echo $LANG en_US.UTF-8 Try work around problem using $ mc -a No change. or $ LANG=C mc -a That got me closer as the borders are now rendered in ASCII: http://n0nb.us/pix/snap6.jpg or something like this. Trying to reconfigure the locale gave me this: $ sudo dpkg-reconfigure -p low locales Generating locales... en_US.UTF-8... up-to-date Generation complete. But since the Ubuntu system probably depends on UTF-8, I'll assume that it's wise to leave it alone. I can add a Bash alias to run mc the second way although that isn't much help with other programs. However, from the terminal in Mythbuntu in XFCE it all works fine. Maybe my Sid box should be default UTF8. I'm going to try that since the dialog advises that it should be the default. Thanks, Osamu. - Nate -- The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true. Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://n0nb.us/index.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Accent chars instead of VGA graphics from Ubuntu system (terminal via ssh)
* Nate Bargmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008 Jul 30 16:34 -0500]: Maybe my Sid box should be default UTF8. I'm going to try that since the dialog advises that it should be the default. That was, errr, interesting. Since I have locale-purge installed and it runs after packages are installed via Aptitude, it helpfully cleaned out the en_US.UTF-8 locale since I hadn't selected it back who know's when via the locales package. All kinds of weired and interesting effects occured once I allowed en_US.UTF-8 become the default. :-) As a work around I've set en_US as my locale in my .bashrc and will wait until a number of pacakges get updated and the UTF locale gets restored before trying again. At least I think I'm on the right track. I guess that some tools fall into the realm of if you know what you're doing. ;-) - Nate -- The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true. Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://n0nb.us/index.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
