Access to non-free from aptitude?

2011-05-12 Thread Charles Blair
   Somewhere I read that this should be done by modifying
the /etc/apt/sources.list file.  I tried changing this to:

> deb http://debian.uchicago.edu/debian/ lenny main 
> deb http://debian.uchicago.edu/debian/ lenny non-free

   but I'm still only seeing the stuff in main.

   The thing I'm looking for at the moment is the info pages
for emacs.


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Re: Access to non-free from aptitude?

2011-05-12 Thread Alex Mestiashvili

On 05/12/2011 01:25 PM, Charles Blair wrote:

Somewhere I read that this should be done by modifying
the /etc/apt/sources.list file.  I tried changing this to:

   

deb http://debian.uchicago.edu/debian/ lenny main
deb http://debian.uchicago.edu/debian/ lenny non-free
 

deb http://debian.uchicago.edu/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free



but I'm still only seeing the stuff in main.

The thing I'm looking for at the moment is the info pages
for emacs.


   

Alex


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Re: Access to non-free from aptitude?

2011-05-12 Thread Axel Freyn
Hi Charles,
On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 06:25:53AM -0500, Charles Blair wrote:
>Somewhere I read that this should be done by modifying
> the /etc/apt/sources.list file.  I tried changing this to:
> 
> > deb http://debian.uchicago.edu/debian/ lenny main 
> > deb http://debian.uchicago.edu/debian/ lenny non-free
> 
>but I'm still only seeing the stuff in main.
> 
>The thing I'm looking for at the moment is the info pages
> for emacs.
Did you run a "aptitude update" after the change, in order to ask
aptitude to reload the lists? If not, you can't see the non-free stuff..

Axel


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Re: Access to non-free from aptitude?

2011-05-12 Thread Matt Harrison
On 5/12/11, Charles Blair  wrote:
>Somewhere I read that this should be done by modifying
> the /etc/apt/sources.list file.  I tried changing this to:
>
>> deb http://debian.uchicago.edu/debian/ lenny main
>> deb http://debian.uchicago.edu/debian/ lenny non-free
>
>but I'm still only seeing the stuff in main.
>
>The thing I'm looking for at the moment is the info pages
> for emacs.
>
>
> --

Not sure if this will help or not, but have you tried putting it all
in the same line:

> deb http://debian.uchicago.edu/debian/ lenny main non-free

then make sure to:
> aptitude update

after you make the changes


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Re: Access to non-free from aptitude?

2011-05-12 Thread Heddle Weaver
On 12 May 2011 21:25, Charles Blair  wrote:

>   Somewhere I read that this should be done by modifying
> the /etc/apt/sources.list file.  I tried changing this to:
>
> > deb http://debian.uchicago.edu/debian/ lenny main
> > deb http://debian.uchicago.edu/debian/ lenny non-free
>

Hello Charles,

You can do all this on the one line, as in:

deb http://debian.uchicago.edu/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free

Then do:
Update
Safe-upgrade

You will have to ensure that you have saved the changes after editing the
file, also, otherwise it will simply revert to it's former state, which is
what sounds like is happening.


>
>   but I'm still only seeing the stuff in main.
>
>   The thing I'm looking for at the moment is the info pages
> for emacs.
>

I don't know about this as I'm one of the lucky ones that uses Vim, but I
should suspect that those should be in main anyway?
Regards,

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access to non-free from aptitude (continued)?

2011-05-12 Thread Charles Blair
   [Sorry, I'm using claws-mail and it doesn't seem to let
me post follow-ups]

  Thanks to everyone for the prompt responses, but I still have
a problem.  My /etc/apt/sources.list includes

> deb http://debian.uchicago.edu/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free

   I tried typing "aptitude update".  Part of the output:

> Ign http://debian.uchicago.edu lenny/non-free Translation-en_US
> Ign http://debian.uchicago.edu lenny/non-free Packages/DiffIndex
> Hit http://debian.uchicago.edu lenny/non-free Packages

   However, when I start aptitude, click on "not installed
packages," then on "editors," the only thing I see is main.

   Is there an aptitude tutorial someplace?  I suspect there
are a lot of basic things I don't know.


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Re: Access to non-free from aptitude?

2011-05-12 Thread Tom Furie
On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 10:24:15PM +1000, Heddle Weaver wrote:
> I don't know about this as I'm one of the lucky ones that uses Vim, but I
> should suspect that those should be in main anyway?
> Regards,

You would think so, but due to invariant sections in the documentation
they're stuck in non-free.

Cheers,
Tom

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Re: access to non-free from aptitude (continued)?

2011-05-12 Thread Axel Freyn
Hi Charles,
On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 10:38:10AM -0500, Charles Blair wrote:
>[Sorry, I'm using claws-mail and it doesn't seem to let
> me post follow-ups]
> 
>   Thanks to everyone for the prompt responses, but I still have
> a problem.  My /etc/apt/sources.list includes
> 
> > deb http://debian.uchicago.edu/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free
> 
>I tried typing "aptitude update".  Part of the output:
> 
> > Ign http://debian.uchicago.edu lenny/non-free Translation-en_US
> > Ign http://debian.uchicago.edu lenny/non-free Packages/DiffIndex
> > Hit http://debian.uchicago.edu lenny/non-free Packages
> 
>However, when I start aptitude, click on "not installed
> packages," then on "editors," the only thing I see is main.
Just to be sure: You are using lenny, and not squeeze ? :-)

And another remark: Whenever there appear NEW packages, aptitude will
show them in a special section (not "not installed packages", but "new
packages"). As you added the "non-free" repository, all packages from
non-free are now seen as "new" -- and should appear there (and NOT in
the section "not installed packages", where you looked :-)))

If I'm right (and they are in "new" right now), the following should
work:
If you execute "aptitude search emacs22-common", aptitude should find
both "emacs22-common" and "emacs22-common-non-dfsg".
and 
aptitude install emacs22-common-non-dfsg
should install it.

You can use "aptitude forget-new" to transfer all those "new" packages
into the "not installed"-section. Alternatively, you can do the same in
aptitude : Actions -> Forget new packages"

> 
>Is there an aptitude tutorial someplace?  I suspect there
> are a lot of basic things I don't know.
> 
You could try:

http://wiki.debian.org/Aptitude
which also refers to the apt-documentation
http://wiki.debian.org/Apt
and the "full" package-management documentation
http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch02.en.html


HTH,

Axel


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Re: access to non-free from aptitude (continued)?

2011-05-12 Thread Heddle Weaver
On 13 May 2011 01:38, Charles Blair  wrote:

>   [Sorry, I'm using claws-mail and it doesn't seem to let
> me post follow-ups]
>
>  Thanks to everyone for the prompt responses, but I still have
> a problem.  My /etc/apt/sources.list includes
>
> > deb http://debian.uchicago.edu/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free
>
>   I tried typing "aptitude update".  Part of the output:
>
> > Ign http://debian.uchicago.edu lenny/non-free Translation-en_US
> > Ign http://debian.uchicago.edu lenny/non-free Packages/DiffIndex
> > Hit http://debian.uchicago.edu lenny/non-free Packages
>
>   However, when I start aptitude, click on "not installed
> packages," then on "editors," the only thing I see is main.
>
>   Is there an aptitude tutorial someplace?  I suspect there
> are a lot of basic things I don't know.
>

There's a package in the repositories (in main) called aptitude-doc-en, I
think from memory.
You could check that be searching through the ncurses aptitude interface.
Regards,

Weaver.
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Re: access to non-free from aptitude (continued)?

2011-05-12 Thread Arno Schuring
Charles Blair (c-bl...@illinois.edu on 2011-05-12 10:38 -0500):
>[Sorry, I'm using claws-mail and it doesn't seem to let
> me post follow-ups]
Are you sure? I'm using claws-mail (granted, from Wheezy, so newer than
your version) and am writing this message with "Reply to list (Ctrl+L)"

[..]
>I tried typing "aptitude update".  Part of the output:
> 
> > Ign http://debian.uchicago.edu lenny/non-free Translation-en_US
> > Ign http://debian.uchicago.edu lenny/non-free Packages/DiffIndex
> > Hit http://debian.uchicago.edu lenny/non-free Packages
> 
>However, when I start aptitude, click on "not installed
> packages," then on "editors," the only thing I see is main.
can you type in a terminal:
$ apt-cache policy emacs21-common-non-dfsg
and post the output?


Regards,
Arno


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Re: access to non-free from aptitude (continued)?

2011-05-14 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Jo, 12 mai 11, 18:50:33, Axel Freyn wrote:

[...]
 
> And another remark: Whenever there appear NEW packages, aptitude will
> show them in a special section (not "not installed packages", but "new
> packages"). As you added the "non-free" repository, all packages from
> non-free are now seen as "new" -- and should appear there (and NOT in
> the section "not installed packages", where you looked :-)))
...
> You can use "aptitude forget-new" to transfer all those "new" packages
> into the "not installed"-section. Alternatively, you can do the same in
> aptitude : Actions -> Forget new packages"

A package can and will show up in more than one category in aptitude.

Regards,
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Re: access to non-free from aptitude (continued)?

2011-05-14 Thread Axel Freyn
Hi Andrei,
On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 02:03:22PM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote:
> On Jo, 12 mai 11, 18:50:33, Axel Freyn wrote:
> 
> [...]
>  
> > And another remark: Whenever there appear NEW packages, aptitude will
> > show them in a special section (not "not installed packages", but "new
> > packages"). As you added the "non-free" repository, all packages from
> > non-free are now seen as "new" -- and should appear there (and NOT in
> > the section "not installed packages", where you looked :-)))
> ...
> > You can use "aptitude forget-new" to transfer all those "new" packages
> > into the "not installed"-section. Alternatively, you can do the same in
> > aptitude : Actions -> Forget new packages"
> 
> A package can and will show up in more than one category in aptitude.
not on my aptitude :-)

I tried the following (on squeeze):
 - adding "deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ lenny main contrib
   non-free" to sources.list, run "aptitude update"
 - start aptitude, search for emacs22-common-non-dfsg: 
   it appears in "New Packages -> editors -> non-free", but NOT in "Not
   installed Packages -> editors -> non-free"

Maybe it can be configured somewhere in aptitude, or it's a new property
in aptitude squeeze? However, I have no lenny at hand to check...

Regards,

Axel


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Re: access to non-free from aptitude (continued)?

2011-05-14 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Sb, 14 mai 11, 14:33:56, Axel Freyn wrote:
> > 
> > A package can and will show up in more than one category in aptitude.
> not on my aptitude :-)

Sorry, I should have checked before.

For some reason a while ago I came to the conclusion that one package 
can show up in more than one category, but it now turns out to be false.

Regards,
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