Re: Adapter Names on Stretch [OT]

[Charles Kroeger]

On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 07:30:02 +0200
Gene Heskett  wrote:

> You may well be correct, but to my grandfather they were loaned.  I do 
> know that when they left, each was equipt with a good sturdy tag/label 
> bareing the owners name & address, well sealed against the elements.

He probably heard the expression: "lend-lease" and got it confused with what 
that
meant.

Americans are readily confused..and quickly become hysterical. A popular example
was that Orson Welles radio show about the Martian invasion..I noticed that is 
now
being revised to show a different story. (a tiny panic practically immeasurable
on the night etc. slate.com) How about global warming vaccinations abortions
weapons-of-mass-destruction and the 6th mass extinction now in progress.  No one
ever went broke underestimating them. (H.L. Mencken)

-- 
CK

I now start my wireless adapter card with: ifup wlp2s0  how fscked is that?


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Re: Adapter Names on Stretch [OT]

[David Wright]

Quoting Gene Heskett (ghesk...@wdtv.com):

 You may well be correct, but to my grandfather they were loaned.  I do 
 know that when they left, each was equipt with a good sturdy tag/label 
 bareing the owners name  address, well sealed against the elements.
 
 I would suspect that the possibility of a little history rewriting may 
 have been done over the last 70 years to lesson the language from loan 
 to gift.  Recall as always, that the history of a war is written by 
 the winners.

That's difficult to do with contemporary newspaper appeals:

https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=861dat=19401112id=vDFSIBAJsjid=EjYNIBAJpg=3629,1766022hl=en

https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1314dat=19401208id=mChWIBAJsjid=CuQDIBAJpg=6924,2616059hl=en

(The latter pops up one column to the right of the story's start.)

Cheers,
David.

Re: Adapter Names on Stretch [OT]

[Gene Heskett]

On Sunday 30 August 2015 14:50:54 David Wright wrote:

 Quoting Gene Heskett (ghesk...@wdtv.com):
  You may well be correct, but to my grandfather they were loaned.  I
  do know that when they left, each was equipt with a good sturdy
  tag/label bareing the owners name  address, well sealed against the
  elements.
 
  I would suspect that the possibility of a little history rewriting
  may have been done over the last 70 years to lesson the language
  from loan to gift.  Recall as always, that the history of a war
  is written by the winners.

 That's difficult to do with contemporary newspaper appeals:

 https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=861dat=19401112id=vDFSIBA
Jsjid=EjYNIBAJpg=3629,1766022hl=en

 https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1314dat=19401208id=mChWIB
AJsjid=CuQDIBAJpg=6924,2616059hl=en

Both of those are seriously close to the bottom of the pile in what we 
call the morgue.  And while it might be possible to do some bit tweeking 
to clean up a blind offset plate, it would sure be a thankless job to 
rewrite those now digital images.

And its dates (Dec 1940 etc) mean that I was just barely 6 years old, so 
I obviously never had a chance to see those articals first hand.  So I 
guess maybe my grandfather may have said what he wished would happen.  
That would have to be a tad out of character for him IMO ubless he was 
horse trading. He rarely came back from town driving the same team he 
left with.

One thing he did pass down thru his 2nd daughter, to me, is a decent IQ.  
That daughter, my mother, was the only girl in the class on aviation 
technology at Des Moines Technical High School, in 1929. When a little 
boy asked a question, if she did not know the answer, she did know where 
the library was, so I was reading high school physics books by the time 
we moved to town to work loading ammo during WW-II. ISTR that was early 
in '42.

 (The latter pops up one column to the right of the story's start.)

Thank you for digging that up.  It does I believe, lay that story to 
rest.

 Cheers,
 David.


Cheers, Gene Heskett
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Re: Adapter Names on Stretch [OT]

[David Wright]

Quoting Gene Heskett (ghesk...@wdtv.com):

 He may have been, but it wasn't enough that he sent our loaned guns 
 back when the festivities were over in 1945. Instead, they were all 
 collected on a barge, taken out in the middle of the channel, and 
 shoveled overboard.
 
 The hunters amd sportsmen of the USA loaned the English those weapons so 
 that the english might have something to defend your land with should 
 the Germans attempt an invasion, with the understanding they would be 
 tracked, and returned to their rightfull owner when no longer needed.

I think the idea of tracking small arms in private hands in wartime
Britain is a little unlikely, so I tried to follow up this story
because I've read it here before.

I can find references to an organisation in the US that collected
guns and another in Britain that is said to have distributed them.
(How? To whom?) However, no mention is made of returning the weapons.

Here are a couple of cut-and-pasteable extracts:

'The committee sent an urgent appeal--which appeared in the American
Rifleman magazine--for Americans to donate
Pistols--Rifles--Revolvers--Shotguns--Binoculars because British
civilians, faced with the threat of invasion, desperately need arms
for the defense of their homes.

'Thousands of American arms were donated and shipped to the Civilian
Committee for the Protection of Homes in Birmingham, sorted for their
suitability and from there distributed to members of the LDV.

'Despite the lessons of the preceding years, the British government's
anti-gun paranoia remained undiminished and after the disbanding of
the Home Guard in 1944, their arms were collected and those not
considered suitable for storage as war reserves were disposed of in
1945 and 1946 by dumping them into the North Sea!'

and

Send a gun to defend a British home.

British civilians, faced with the threat of invasion,
desperately need arms to the defence of their homes.

This committee has organized to collect gifts of pistols,
rifles, revolvers, shotguns and binoculars from American
civilians who wish to answer the call and aid in defence of
British homes.

These arms are being shipped with the full consent of the
British government, to the Civilian Committee for the Protection
of Homes, Birmingham, England.

But an interesting thing about the transcribed articles (as opposed
to the newspaper cuttings) is that they appear in documents bewailing
the folly of British (and, by implication, any) gun control.

 My grandfather loaned 2 shotguns, top of the line Parkers that at auction 
 today would have a starting bid of at least $2500 each. They were his 
 most prized firearms possessions.  He, and several thousand other 
 Americans never saw their weapons again, thanks to Churchill.

All the references that I can find use the words donations and gifts,
not loans. In one case there is an individual who appears to have used
these two organisations to solve the problem of a legal way to ship a
gun to his brother in Kent. If it ever got there, perhaps he even got
it back!

Cheers,
David.

Re: Adapter Names on Stretch [OT]

[Gene Heskett]

On Sunday 30 August 2015 00:07:44 David Wright wrote:

This is quite off topic, and I probably should have just STHU.

 Quoting Gene Heskett (ghesk...@wdtv.com):
  He may have been, but it wasn't enough that he sent our loaned
  guns back when the festivities were over in 1945. Instead, they were
  all collected on a barge, taken out in the middle of the channel,
  and shoveled overboard.
 
  The hunters amd sportsmen of the USA loaned the English those
  weapons so that the english might have something to defend your land
  with should the Germans attempt an invasion, with the understanding
  they would be tracked, and returned to their rightfull owner when no
  longer needed.

 I think the idea of tracking small arms in private hands in wartime
 Britain is a little unlikely, so I tried to follow up this story
 because I've read it here before.

You may well be correct, but to my grandfather they were loaned.  I do 
know that when they left, each was equipt with a good sturdy tag/label 
bareing the owners name  address, well sealed against the elements.

I would suspect that the possibility of a little history rewriting may 
have been done over the last 70 years to lesson the language from loan 
to gift.  Recall as always, that the history of a war is written by 
the winners.

 I can find references to an organisation in the US that collected
 guns and another in Britain that is said to have distributed them.
 (How? To whom?) However, no mention is made of returning the weapons.

 Here are a couple of cut-and-pasteable extracts:

 'The committee sent an urgent appeal--which appeared in the American
 Rifleman magazine--for Americans to donate
 Pistols--Rifles--Revolvers--Shotguns--Binoculars because British
 civilians, faced with the threat of invasion, desperately need arms
 for the defense of their homes.

 'Thousands of American arms were donated and shipped to the Civilian
 Committee for the Protection of Homes in Birmingham, sorted for their
 suitability and from there distributed to members of the LDV.

 'Despite the lessons of the preceding years, the British government's
 anti-gun paranoia remained undiminished and after the disbanding of
 the Home Guard in 1944, their arms were collected and those not
 considered suitable for storage as war reserves were disposed of in
 1945 and 1946 by dumping them into the North Sea!'

 and

 Send a gun to defend a British home.

 British civilians, faced with the threat of invasion,
 desperately need arms to the defence of their homes.

 This committee has organized to collect gifts of pistols,
 rifles, revolvers, shotguns and binoculars from American
 civilians who wish to answer the call and aid in defence of
 British homes.

 These arms are being shipped with the full consent of the
 British government, to the Civilian Committee for the Protection
 of Homes, Birmingham, England.

 But an interesting thing about the transcribed articles (as opposed
 to the newspaper cuttings) is that they appear in documents bewailing
 the folly of British (and, by implication, any) gun control.

  My grandfather loaned 2 shotguns, top of the line Parkers that at
  auction today would have a starting bid of at least $2500 each. They
  were his most prized firearms possessions.  He, and several thousand
  other Americans never saw their weapons again, thanks to Churchill.

 All the references that I can find use the words donations and gifts,
 not loans. In one case there is an individual who appears to have used
 these two organisations to solve the problem of a legal way to ship a
 gun to his brother in Kent. If it ever got there, perhaps he even got
 it back!

 Cheers,
 David.


Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order.
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
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