Re: Admit that the typical Debian machine has tons of cruft(8)
On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 12:26:21PM +0100, Nuno Magalhães wrote:
Agreed, yet there's a techical question in there. What's your take? I
usually run apt-get autoremove and orphaner, clear /var/log stuff and
/var/cache/apt as well; yet i always do have the feeling that my /
oughta be smaller. Is there an option to autoremove unused files?
You mean like those Italian and French manpages. :) Seriously though,
You mean like those Italian and French manpages. :{
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Re: Admit that the typical Debian machine has tons of cruft(8)
I'm not sure if this post is serious, but assuming that it is: On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 09:22:12AM +0800, jida...@jidanni.org wrote: Admit that the typical Debian machine has tons of cruft(8) $ man cruft cruft - Check the filesystem for cruft (missing and unexplained files) It's more correct to admit that cruft is incorrectly reporting things as cruft, rather than Debian being full of of it. See e.g. #522108 -- Marcin Owsiany porri...@debian.org http://marcin.owsiany.pl/ GnuPG: 1024D/60F41216 FE67 DA2D 0ACA FC5E 3F75 D6F6 3A0D 8AA0 60F4 1216 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
RE: Admit that the typical Debian machine has tons of cruft(8)
From: Klistvud [mailto:quotati...@aliceadsl.fr] Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 8:28 AM Subject: Re: Admit that the typical Debian machine has tons of cruft(8) Dne, 24. 04. 2009 13:26:21 je Nuno Magalhães napisal(a): Agreed, yet there's a techical question in there. What's your take? I usually run apt-get autoremove and orphaner, clear /var/log stuff and /var/cache/apt as well; yet i always do have the feeling that my / oughta be smaller. Is there an option to autoremove unused files? Cheers, Nuno Magalhães Well, there was a program once, called FSlint or something like that. Never used it personally, though. I love FSlint. It will find duplicate files, empty directories, tmp files, bad names, name clashes, bad symlinks, and a bunch of other stuff that I can't remember. I use it to clean up the filesystem all the time. I do use deborphan (and gtkorphan) as well to clean up the packages. I also like filelight. A graphical drill down tool that helps find directories that are using up too much space. Yes, I use packages like find and du on the command line when I am in a hurry but sometimes the graphics are really cool to take into a meeting to say See? This is how much space we are using! Hope that helps. Have fun! ~Stack~ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Admit that the typical Debian machine has tons of cruft(8)
On 2009-Apr-24, at 5:20 AM, Klistvud wrote: Your parallel with unregistered aliens is extremely malaprop, even more so in the context of an operating system that professes to be the _universal_ operating system. Almost every country defines a legal immigration process and considers people that bypass that process to be illegal, unregistered, or something like that. Sounds pretty universal to me. -- Rob McBroom http://www.skurfer.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Admit that the typical Debian machine has tons of cruft(8)
Question: do all packages pass the piuparts tests yet, in that they don't leave a residue behind? If we are to name names then those who do not pass piuparts are it. Then there are those that create files at other times during their lifespan that piuparts wouldn't catch. Then there's the pre-piuparts era cruft in all corners of a several years old system. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Admit that the typical Debian machine has tons of cruft(8)
Your parallel with unregistered aliens is extremely malaprop, even more so in the context of an operating system that professes to be the _universal_ operating system. I like to think it was just an (unwitty) attempt at being funny? Agreed, yet there's a techical question in there. What's your take? I usually run apt-get autoremove and orphaner, clear /var/log stuff and /var/cache/apt as well; yet i always do have the feeling that my / oughta be smaller. Is there an option to autoremove unused files? Cheers, Nuno Magalhães -- () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ ascii-rubanda kampajno - kontraŭ html-a retpoŝto -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Admit that the typical Debian machine has tons of cruft(8)
Dne, 24. 04. 2009 03:22:12 je jida...@jidanni.org napisal(a): Admit that the typical Debian machine has tons of cruft(8) $ man cruft cruft - Check the filesystem for cruft (missing and unexplained files) Mainly I'm talking about those unexplained files. Even just # cruft -d / will probably produce tons of output on any system that has been under real use for more than a few weeks. Plenty of unknown students without hall passes wandering around the Debian High School. Mucho unregistered aliens camping under the Debian highway overpasses. I won't name names but one must admit that squeaky clean Debian systems are few in reality. The problem seems mainly those immigrant families (packages) that come to our shores (systems) and then create all those children (files) without registering them properly (so dlocate will know about them, but currently they must present a list of names upon arrival at our shores, and there is no way to update it dynamically later...) So what? Well, when one finds an old dog (file) that is causing some error, one sees if it has an owner (via dlocate), before shooting it (rm), and hoping it was mere bygone left behind, and not an important but unregistered file. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Your parallel with unregistered aliens is extremely malaprop, even more so in the context of an operating system that professes to be the _universal_ operating system. I like to think it was just an (unwitty) attempt at being funny? -- Certifiable Loonix User 481801 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Admit that the typical Debian machine has tons of cruft(8)
Dne, 24. 04. 2009 13:26:21 je Nuno Magalhães napisal(a): Your parallel with unregistered aliens is extremely malaprop, even more so in the context of an operating system that professes to be the _universal_ operating system. I like to think it was just an (unwitty) attempt at being funny? Agreed, yet there's a techical question in there. What's your take? I usually run apt-get autoremove and orphaner, clear /var/log stuff and /var/cache/apt as well; yet i always do have the feeling that my / oughta be smaller. Is there an option to autoremove unused files? Cheers, Nuno Magalhães -- () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ ascii-rubanda kampajno - kontraŭ html-a retpoŝto -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Well, there was a program once, called FSlint or something like that. Never used it personally, though. -- Certifiable Loonix User 481801 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Admit that the typical Debian machine has tons of cruft(8)
Is there an option to autoremove unused files? deborphan can be used to remove packages that were installed for dependencies alone and are no longer needed. http://www.debian-administration.org/article/Removing_unnecessary_packages_with_deborphan apt-get and aptitude both have similar facilities too, for example apt-get autoremove. (man apt-get for details.) Steve -- Stop blogforum spam http://blogspam.net/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Admit that the typical Debian machine has tons of cruft(8)
jida...@jidanni.org wrote: Admit that the typical Debian machine has tons of cruft(8) $ man cruft cruft - Check the filesystem for cruft (missing and unexplained files) Mainly I'm talking about those unexplained files. Even just # cruft -d / will probably produce tons of output on any system that has been under real use for more than a few weeks. Not on my system. If you observe that there are files that fail to remove after removal of the package or that are installed improperly, you should file a bug report (or report them here). General accusations without providing the evidence will just increase the frustration without a chance to improve things. Cheers, Johannes [NB: what is your yardstick for 'tons of cruft'? Is there more on Debian than on other distributions/OSes? ] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Admit that the typical Debian machine has tons of cruft(8)
Admit that the typical Debian machine has tons of cruft(8) $ man cruft cruft - Check the filesystem for cruft (missing and unexplained files) Mainly I'm talking about those unexplained files. Even just # cruft -d / will probably produce tons of output on any system that has been under real use for more than a few weeks. Plenty of unknown students without hall passes wandering around the Debian High School. Mucho unregistered aliens camping under the Debian highway overpasses. I won't name names but one must admit that squeaky clean Debian systems are few in reality. The problem seems mainly those immigrant families (packages) that come to our shores (systems) and then create all those children (files) without registering them properly (so dlocate will know about them, but currently they must present a list of names upon arrival at our shores, and there is no way to update it dynamically later...) So what? Well, when one finds an old dog (file) that is causing some error, one sees if it has an owner (via dlocate), before shooting it (rm), and hoping it was mere bygone left behind, and not an important but unregistered file. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
