Re: Adobe flash is dead [OT]
On 10/11/2011 09:22, Scott Ferguson wrote: On 10/11/11 19:07, Lorenzo Sutton wrote: On 09/11/2011 19:18, T o n g wrote: Well, not exactly now but at lease Adobe flash is dead for all mobile devices: Adobe confirms Flash Player is dead for mobile devices http://www.engadget.com/2011/11/09/adobe-confirms-flash-player-is-dead- for-mobile-devices/ Steve Jobs wins: Flash being phased out from mobile devices http://www.thestar.com/business/article/1083764--steve-jobs-wins-flash- being-phased-out-from-mobile-devices Adobe flash is one of the tech-inventions that I resent the most. Now it is dead for all mobiles, and I wish it is dead on the web tomorrow. Comments? Well you've set a very inflammable topic there. My feeling is that Google and it's jump into the mobile thing has been a strong propellant to HTML5 and thus flash slowly dying. But at the same time youtube which is both one of google's big things and *the* flash site per excellence is still very 'betqaish' with html5, not to mention all the other video hosting sites. Fortunately HTML5 is still a draft - won't be a recommendation for some time. http://ishtml5readyyet.com/ ;-p Well, actually what's quite optimistic, I knew the foreseen time was something like 2020.. :) One of the problems I still see is the video codecs 'war'. We have this wonderful tag, but nobody knows what exaclty to encode the video file in. Now if you have millions of videos to (re)encode that is not trivial question. Good points. Did you know about VP8? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VP8 Yes, but what I meant is for e.g. if you go to the youtube HTML5 test, you'll see different codecs supported on different browsers.[1] Lorenzo [1] http://www.youtube.com/html5 Seems MS doesn't like it, but maybe the thawing of their anti-OpenSource attitude (re: Cloud) might change that. I guess it'll need time to settle, like if you're putting a tag you know the source is going to be .jpg, .png or legacy .gif and that 99% browsers will support it - today (by the way it looks like Internet Explora only supported full alpha in png at verions 7! [1]). Lorenzo. [1] http://www.libpng.org/pub/png/pngapbr.html#msie-win-unix Cheers -- ** NOTE **: This gmail address is my new email. I will still be reading my libero.it email, but please use this new one for any further email. Thanks you for understanding. ** NOTA **: Questo indirizzo gmail è la mia nuova email. Continuerò a leggere la posta libero.it ancora per un po' ma vi prego di usare questa nuova da ora in poi. Grazie per la comprensione. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4ebb8d4f.5000...@gmail.com
Re: Adobe flash is dead [OT]
On 10/11/11 19:07, Lorenzo Sutton wrote: > On 09/11/2011 19:18, T o n g wrote: >> Well, not exactly now but at lease Adobe flash is dead for all mobile >> devices: >> >> Adobe confirms Flash Player is dead for mobile devices >> http://www.engadget.com/2011/11/09/adobe-confirms-flash-player-is-dead- >> for-mobile-devices/ >> >> Steve Jobs wins: Flash being phased out from mobile devices >> http://www.thestar.com/business/article/1083764--steve-jobs-wins-flash- >> being-phased-out-from-mobile-devices >> >> Adobe flash is one of the tech-inventions that I resent the most. >> Now it is dead for all mobiles, and I wish it is dead on the web >> tomorrow. >> >> Comments? > > Well you've set a very inflammable topic there. > > My feeling is that Google and it's jump into the mobile thing has been a > strong propellant to HTML5 and thus flash slowly dying. But at the same > time youtube which is both one of google's big things and *the* flash > site per excellence is still very 'betqaish' with html5, not to mention > all the other video hosting sites. Fortunately HTML5 is still a draft - won't be a recommendation for some time. http://ishtml5readyyet.com/ ;-p > > One of the problems I still see is the video codecs 'war'. We have this > wonderful tag, but nobody knows what exaclty to encode the video > file in. Now if you have millions of videos to (re)encode that is not > trivial question. Good points. Did you know about VP8? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VP8 Seems MS doesn't like it, but maybe the thawing of their anti-OpenSource attitude (re: Cloud) might change that. > I guess it'll need time to settle, like if you're > putting a tag you know the source is going to be .jpg, .png or > legacy .gif and that 99% browsers will support it - today (by the way it > looks like Internet Explora only supported full alpha in png at verions > 7! [1]). > > Lorenzo. > > > [1] http://www.libpng.org/pub/png/pngapbr.html#msie-win-unix >> >> > > Cheers -- Iceweasel/Firefox extensions for finding answers to Debian questions:- https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/collections/Scott_Ferguson/debian/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4ebb89cd.7020...@gmail.com
Re: Adobe flash is dead [OT]
On 10/11/11 11:10, Paul Johnson wrote: > On Wed, 2011-11-09 at 19:51 +, Andrew Wood wrote: >> Why do Linux distros consider it desirable to install Gnash by >> default? Because most GNU/Linux distributions try and provide a secure user experience. FFflash is the antidote for security. Gnash can be freely distributed. >> I understand the desire to have a free flash player but Gnash >> is a very poor implementation and I think it tarnishes Linux's image >> rather than enhances it. Two solutions Andrew - write a better "reverse engineered"/"clean room" Fffflash player, or, contribute better code to the Gnash project. Preferably you'd chose a third option - avoid anything that requires the use of Ffflash in the first place. It's not like it does much[*1] that can't be better done in a modern browser *without* having to install third-party software (and update it every other week). > > Why bother with non-free software when we're talking about a technology > that's dying like BSD these days? BSD is dying? Really? Please explain Paul. [*1] some audio functionality. Cheers -- Iceweasel/Firefox extensions for finding answers to Debian questions:- https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/collections/Scott_Ferguson/debian/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4ebb1fa3.8030...@gmail.com
