Re: After potato install, why does 1st dselect install so much?
David Wright <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 14:45:40 +0100
[...]
> Quoting Robert Cymbala ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
[...]
> > Just now I did a fresh install of potato (2.2r2) from CD and chose
> > these tasks:
> > [*] Dialup Dialup utilities
> > [*] Laptop A selection of tools for laptop users
> > [*] Newbie Help New user documentation
> > [*] Python Python script development environment
> > [*] Python Bundle Full distribution of Python
> > [*] Python Dev Full Python development environment
> > [*] Python Web Python web application development environm
> > [*] SgmlSGML and XML authoring and editing
> > [*] Sgml DevSGML and XML development environment
[...]
> > After a reboot, I launched dselect and:
> > - [S]elect
> > - upon entering Select screen, pressed ENTER ("- All packages -")
> > - [I]nstall
> >
> > It said:
> > ... 65 newly installed; 89.8MB will be used ...
> >
> > I don't get it. Why does dselect "want" to install so much, whereas
> > the operating-system install (from Rescue Disk boot to the "Have Fun!"
> > message) did not? The main installation routine didn't install such
> > basic packages as ispell and finger, but somehow those two (and 63
> > others) were in dselect's "queue" of packages to be installed.
>
> What do you mean by "operating-system install"? If you mean the
> part of the installation prior to the reboot, well you wouldn't
> expect that part to install much. 89.8MB, let's see, what's that
> in floppies, sixty? No, that part of the installation only includes
> the packages that are needed to install more packages, i.e. it's a
> classic bootstrap process.
Thank you for the feedback. It has prompted me to dig deeper into the
install documentation; in fact, I've been able to answer my own
question upon further reading!
My CD set has (where "M:" is CD-ROM in Windows Explorer):
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file:///M:/install/doc/ch-init-config.en.html#s-preselections
"7.24 Select and Install Profiles"
version 2.2.20.0.1, 30 November, 2000
That section says:
"So, you have the ability to choose tasks or profiles instead."
The latest install documentation version has:
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http://www.debian.org/releases/2.2/i386/ch-init-config.en.html#s-preselections
"7.29 Simple Package Selection -- The Task Installer "
version 2.2.21, 21 March, 2001
That newer section says:
"So, you have the ability to choose tasks instead."
Section 7.29 (version on-line) ends with a caveat:
"The second caveat is that some so-called ``standard'' packages are
not installed by default. Thus, some software, which we consider
basic to any Linux system, may not be installed.[6] In order to
install that software, simply run tasksel -s, without selecting any
packages, then select ``Finish''."
Footnote #6 reads:
http://www.debian.org/releases/2.2/i386/footnotes.en.html#6
"This is due to a bug in base-config which we have fixed for the
next release. We decided not to change this after Potato release,
since it was a rather large change, and too likely to cause
problems."
So, until next release, I need to do ``tasksel -s'' as the final step
of what I called "operating-system install" (better to have said,
"Debian install"). It turns out that I noticed the bug in practice,
and sure enough the latest install documentation addresses it and what
to do about it.
Thank you,
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Re: After potato install, why does 1st dselect install so much?
Quoting Robert Cymbala ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
>
> AFTER SEARCHING through about 18 months of debian-user archives and
> not finding a related thread, here's a question that's been on my mind
> looking for a high-level answer.
I don't know about high-level; I can only make some observations.
> Just now I did a fresh install of potato (2.2r2) from CD and chose
> these tasks:
> [*] Dialup Dialup utilities
> [*] Laptop A selection of tools for laptop users
> [*] Newbie Help New user documentation
> [*] Python Python script development environment
> [*] Python Bundle Full distribution of Python
> [*] Python Dev Full Python development environment
> [*] Python Web Python web application development environm
> [*] SgmlSGML and XML authoring and editing
> [*] Sgml DevSGML and XML development environment
I don't normally select any tasks, but just move on to the 1st dselect.
> Everything seemed OK, judging from having installed slink/potato about
> a dozen times before (sometimes just for practice).
>
> After a reboot, I launched dselect and:
> - [S]elect
> - upon entering Select screen, pressed ENTER ("- All packages -")
> - [I]nstall
>
> It said:
> ... 65 newly installed; 89.8MB will be used ...
>
> I don't get it. Why does dselect "want" to install so much, whereas
> the operating-system install (from Rescue Disk boot to the "Have Fun!"
> message) did not? The main installation routine didn't install such
> basic packages as ispell and finger, but somehow those two (and 63
> others) were in dselect's "queue" of packages to be installed.
What do you mean by "operating-system install"? If you mean the
part of the installation prior to the reboot, well you wouldn't
expect that part to install much. 89.8MB, let's see, what's that
in floppies, sixty? No, that part of the installation only includes
the packages that are needed to install more packages, i.e. it's a
classic bootstrap process.
Looking back at the size of dselect's appetite in the past, the
figures I have are:
bo35MB
hamm 45MB
slink 37MB
potato installed August 2000 with May's boot disks, dselect
upgraded 25 and installed 91 packages.
> Running dselect a second time doesn't install or delete anything. Is
> "flushing" dselect a normal part of installing Debian?
Yes, unless you know and specify exactly what you want to apt-get
(which also only satisfies Depends, and does not bother with Recommends
or Suggests). Dselect will give you everything that's Required,
Important or Standard, IIRC.
Cheers,
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Re: After potato install, why does 1st dselect install so much?
Robert Cymbala wrote: > I don't get it. Why does dselect "want" to install so much, whereas > the operating-system install (from Rescue Disk boot to the "Have Fun!" > message) did not? Dselect installs all standard priority packages by default. The task system does not (in the version of debian you use; this was an oversight, and it does/will in all later versions). > If so, is there a design reason why it's meant to be that way, or did > it evolve (in the negative sense of "evolve"), sort of like some > packages use "Debian Configuration" and others don't? That is not an evolution, that is the fact that potato shipped with us 50% through the transition to debconf (and woody will probably ship with us 90% through). -- see shy jo
After potato install, why does 1st dselect install so much?
AFTER SEARCHING through about 18 months of debian-user archives and
not finding a related thread, here's a question that's been on my mind
looking for a high-level answer.
Just now I did a fresh install of potato (2.2r2) from CD and chose
these tasks:
[*] Dialup Dialup utilities
[*] Laptop A selection of tools for laptop users
[*] Newbie Help New user documentation
[*] Python Python script development environment
[*] Python Bundle Full distribution of Python
[*] Python Dev Full Python development environment
[*] Python Web Python web application development environm
[*] SgmlSGML and XML authoring and editing
[*] Sgml DevSGML and XML development environment
Everything seemed OK, judging from having installed slink/potato about
a dozen times before (sometimes just for practice).
After a reboot, I launched dselect and:
- [S]elect
- upon entering Select screen, pressed ENTER ("- All packages -")
- [I]nstall
It said:
... 65 newly installed; 89.8MB will be used ...
I don't get it. Why does dselect "want" to install so much, whereas
the operating-system install (from Rescue Disk boot to the "Have Fun!"
message) did not? The main installation routine didn't install such
basic packages as ispell and finger, but somehow those two (and 63
others) were in dselect's "queue" of packages to be installed.
Running dselect a second time doesn't install or delete anything. Is
"flushing" dselect a normal part of installing Debian?
If so, is there a design reason why it's meant to be that way, or did
it evolve (in the negative sense of "evolve"), sort of like some
packages use "Debian Configuration" and others don't?
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