Re: All roads to suspend/hibernate lead through systemd?
On Oct 18, 2014 2:00 PM, Nate Bargmann n...@n0nb.us wrote: No, this is not a troll (seems like that is necessary to state up front). I have been experimenting with dropping systemd from my laptop running Sid but find that even with xfce4-power-manager suspend nor hibernate are available any more unless I install the policykit-1 package recommended by the upower package which depends on libpam-systemd which, even if I install systemd-shim, also installs the systemd package as a dependency, even though it won't run as PID 1. Has anyone worked out a way to enable suspend in xfce4-power-manager without ultimately installing systemd? I faced the same thing when I removed systemd. So I instead got acpi working to do a suspend when I close the lid (just like I used to in the good old days)
insane hibernation policy (war: Re: All roads to suspend/hibernate lead through systemd?)
Hi Joe, Am Samstag, 18. Oktober 2014, 21:17:48 schrieb Joe: On Sat, 18 Oct 2014 12:44:23 -0500 Nate Bargmann n...@n0nb.us wrote: No, this is not a troll (seems like that is necessary to state up front). I have been experimenting with dropping systemd from my laptop running Sid but find that even with xfce4-power-manager suspend nor hibernate are available any more unless I install the policykit-1 package recommended by the upower package which depends on libpam-systemd which, even if I install systemd-shim, also installs the systemd package as a dependency, even though it won't run as PID 1. Has anyone worked out a way to enable suspend in xfce4-power-manager without ultimately installing systemd? No, but this sheds a little light elsewhere. About a year ago I was on LXDE, and suddenly the GUI shutdown and reboot stopped working. I spent a month or so typing in a password in order to shut down my single-user workstation, then got fed up with it. There seemed to be no suggestion as to when it might be fixed, nor any hint that I needed to install anything else, so I switched to Xfce. I've never got suspend, hibernate etc. to stay working properly on sid for any length of time, and the only non-sid Linux installation I have is a server, so I don't use them. Look here: Bug #727645 [polkit-kde-1] polkit-kde-1: requires root password for hibernate, wrongly reports other users are logged https://bugs.debian.org/727645 Bug #717731 [upower] upower: authentification is required for hibernating while other users are logged in https://bugs.debian.org/717731 and more recently here: Bug#747939: systemd: prevents hibernation without password with open screen session in other login session https://bugs.debian.org/747939 I am not even sure that has been all reports of mine. I had it with a second KDE session, I have it with a screen session inside a KDE session, in any account it was so dire insane it isn´t even funny anymore. I still have the following polkit in there, cause with two KDE sessions open I think I still have the issue: merkaba:/etc/polkit-1 cat ./localauthority/50- local.d/org.freedesktop.upower.pkla [Suspend/hibernate permissions] Identity=unix-group:sudo Action=org.freedesktop.login1.hibernate-multiple- sessions;org.freedesktop.login1.suspend-multiple-sessions ResultAny=yes ResultInactive=yes ResultActive=yes I think any asking for a password on a *single seat* machine for hibernation is a bug, is a bug, is a bug. I am the only one with a keyboard on it, and I am the only one allowed to SSH into it, so I am the only one permitted to hibernate the system. And if I do this from a unlocked desktop session, I am authenticated already, so please just leave me *alone*. I dislike software that tries to be more intelligent as me. I dislike policies like this limiting my freedom. And I invite you to comment or add to the bug reports I mentioned, or if they are closed already, and you still have an issue, open a new one and tell me. So far it feels to me that I have been the only one yelling to the developers regarding that dire policy insanity. Its as insane as requiring a root login for Linus daughter in order to set up a printer in some OpenSUSE version. I may one day try again without the above file to make policykit policy sane. It might even be important, cause if Jessie gets released with that insanity, I can only imagine the uproar here on this list, in bug tracker, and elsewhere. Well, maybe it has been fixed meanwhile, I didn´t try removing the file for a while. Cause honestly I couldn´t be bothered with this kind of dire insanity anymore. But on any account, people, please report bugs. Please make your voice regarding systemd and/or policykit troubles be heard. As long as I am one of the few reporting things there… chances are I might get ignored again. Of course it also depends on the tone. Express your anger and your frustration in a I am way? Sure. But avoid accusing or insulting people. So please don´t just use above work-around – or policy *correction* – also voice your concern, and if it is a simple I have this issue two with this and that… mail to one of the existing bug reports. Thanks, -- Martin 'Helios' Steigerwald - http://www.Lichtvoll.de GPG: 03B0 0D6C 0040 0710 4AFA B82F 991B EAAC A599 84C7 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1590834.76OczWI13J@merkaba
Re: All roads to suspend/hibernate lead through systemd?
On Sat, 18 Oct 2014 19:53:38 -0700 (PDT) Rusi Mody rustompm...@gmail.com wrote: On Saturday, October 18, 2014 11:40:01 PM UTC+5:30, Nate Bargmann wrote: No, this is not a troll (seems like that is necessary to state up front). I have been experimenting with dropping systemd from my laptop running Sid but find that even with xfce4-power-manager suspend nor hibernate are available any more unless I install the policykit-1 package recommended by the upower package which depends on libpam-systemd which, even if I install systemd-shim, also installs the systemd package as a dependency, even though it won't run as PID 1. Just a heads up. xfce on jessie with systemd A couple of weeks ago in trying to get round some dependency issues I needed to install policykit that did: libpolkit-agent-1-0 (0.105-6.1) libpolkit-backend-1-0 (0.105-6.1) policykit-1 (0.105-6.1) After that direct poweroff from the xfce panel has stopped working ie whether I choose logout or shutdown, it only logs out, ie closes startx and puts me back in console shell. [Oh and BTW about 6 months or so back gdm stopped working and Ive switched to startx ] Datum: up-to-date sid, systemd, xfce, same policykit stuff plus a bit more at 0.105-7, GUI shutdown still OK. I gave up on gdm when it went to gdm3, I'm using kdm. -- Joe -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141019111828.4f3bf...@jresid.jretrading.com
All roads to suspend/hibernate lead through systemd?
No, this is not a troll (seems like that is necessary to state up front). I have been experimenting with dropping systemd from my laptop running Sid but find that even with xfce4-power-manager suspend nor hibernate are available any more unless I install the policykit-1 package recommended by the upower package which depends on libpam-systemd which, even if I install systemd-shim, also installs the systemd package as a dependency, even though it won't run as PID 1. Has anyone worked out a way to enable suspend in xfce4-power-manager without ultimately installing systemd? - Nate -- The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true. Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://www.n0nb.us -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141018174423.gl3...@n0nb.us
Re: All roads to suspend/hibernate lead through systemd?
On Sat, 18 Oct 2014 12:44:23 -0500 Nate Bargmann n...@n0nb.us wrote: No, this is not a troll (seems like that is necessary to state up front). I have been experimenting with dropping systemd from my laptop running Sid but find that even with xfce4-power-manager suspend nor hibernate are available any more unless I install the policykit-1 package recommended by the upower package which depends on libpam-systemd which, even if I install systemd-shim, also installs the systemd package as a dependency, even though it won't run as PID 1. Has anyone worked out a way to enable suspend in xfce4-power-manager without ultimately installing systemd? No, but this sheds a little light elsewhere. About a year ago I was on LXDE, and suddenly the GUI shutdown and reboot stopped working. I spent a month or so typing in a password in order to shut down my single-user workstation, then got fed up with it. There seemed to be no suggestion as to when it might be fixed, nor any hint that I needed to install anything else, so I switched to Xfce. I've never got suspend, hibernate etc. to stay working properly on sid for any length of time, and the only non-sid Linux installation I have is a server, so I don't use them. -- Joe -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141018211748.1a0bf...@jresid.jretrading.com
Re: All roads to suspend/hibernate lead through systemd?
On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 09:17:48PM +0100, Joe wrote: On Sat, 18 Oct 2014 12:44:23 -0500 Nate Bargmann n...@n0nb.us wrote: No, this is not a troll (seems like that is necessary to state up front). I have been experimenting with dropping systemd from my laptop running Sid but find that even with xfce4-power-manager suspend nor hibernate are available any more unless I install the policykit-1 package recommended by the upower package which depends on libpam-systemd which, even if I install systemd-shim, also installs the systemd package as a dependency, even though it won't run as PID 1. Has anyone worked out a way to enable suspend in xfce4-power-manager without ultimately installing systemd? No, but this sheds a little light elsewhere. About a year ago I was on LXDE, and suddenly the GUI shutdown and reboot stopped working. I spent a month or so typing in a password in order to shut down my single-user workstation, then got fed up with it. There seemed to be no suggestion as to when it might be fixed, nor any hint that I needed to install anything else, so I switched to Xfce. I've never got suspend, hibernate etc. to stay working properly on sid for any length of time, and the only non-sid Linux installation I have is a server, so I don't use them. No, but the last time I've tried to say that and quote Slav, who claimed similar problem, my message did not reach the list. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: All roads to suspend/hibernate lead through systemd?
On Saturday, October 18, 2014 11:40:01 PM UTC+5:30, Nate Bargmann wrote: No, this is not a troll (seems like that is necessary to state up front). I have been experimenting with dropping systemd from my laptop running Sid but find that even with xfce4-power-manager suspend nor hibernate are available any more unless I install the policykit-1 package recommended by the upower package which depends on libpam-systemd which, even if I install systemd-shim, also installs the systemd package as a dependency, even though it won't run as PID 1. Just a heads up. xfce on jessie with systemd A couple of weeks ago in trying to get round some dependency issues I needed to install policykit that did: libpolkit-agent-1-0 (0.105-6.1) libpolkit-backend-1-0 (0.105-6.1) policykit-1 (0.105-6.1) After that direct poweroff from the xfce panel has stopped working ie whether I choose logout or shutdown, it only logs out, ie closes startx and puts me back in console shell. [Oh and BTW about 6 months or so back gdm stopped working and Ive switched to startx ] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/698e102e-2d11-43a0-80ce-d7b7fc390...@googlegroups.com
Re: All roads to suspend/hibernate lead through systemd?
On Sat, 18 Oct 2014 19:53:38 -0700 (PDT) Rusi Mody rustompm...@gmail.com wrote: On Saturday, October 18, 2014 11:40:01 PM UTC+5:30, Nate Bargmann wrote: No, this is not a troll (seems like that is necessary to state up front). I have been experimenting with dropping systemd from my laptop running Sid but find that even with xfce4-power-manager suspend nor hibernate are available any more unless I install the policykit-1 package recommended by the upower package which depends on libpam-systemd which, even if I install systemd-shim, also installs the systemd package as a dependency, even though it won't run as PID 1. Just a heads up. xfce on jessie with systemd A couple of weeks ago in trying to get round some dependency issues I needed to install policykit that did: libpolkit-agent-1-0 (0.105-6.1) libpolkit-backend-1-0 (0.105-6.1) policykit-1 (0.105-6.1) After that direct poweroff from the xfce panel has stopped working ie whether I choose logout or shutdown, it only logs out, ie closes startx and puts me back in console shell. [Oh and BTW about 6 months or so back gdm stopped working and Ive switched to startx ] There's a certain irony. First, IMHO startx is better than booting directly to GUI. Secondly, now that stopping X gets you to the command prompt, you can type whatever shutdown/reboot/poweroff command you want. Unless those were messed up too. SteveT Steve Litt* http://www.troubleshooters.com/ Troubleshooting Training * Human Performance -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141019002453.34efc...@mydesq2.domain.cxm
