Re: Any directional antennas recommendations?

[Gene Heskett]

On Saturday 24 November 2018 06:28:01 Alexander V. Makartsev wrote:

> On 24.11.2018 3:41, Hubert Hauser wrote:
> > Hello!
> >
> > I need to connect to a distant Wi-Fi network. I consider buying a
> > parabolic antenna. I want to have 10 km range and long
> > amplification. Will TP-Link TL-ANT2424B be a good aerial?
> >
> > --
> >
> > Best wishes,
> > Hubert.
>
> According to specifications of the TL-ANT2424B you should be getting
> around 30Mbps. [1]
> Of course, you have to install antennas on both sides, as Doug already
> suggested, to make them "talk" in both directions and also make sure
> there are minimal possible obstructions between them, especially
> concrete or wooden buildings, trees, high voltage power lines, etc.
> You have to mount them on a poles long enough to compensate for
> horizon curvature and direct them at each other to get maximum
> possible signal strength.

We have a criteria for that, called the first fresnel zone clearance for 
determining the clearance needed to get past any obstacles in the path. 
That diameter varies with the distance and calculations must include the 
earths curvature. That criteria is that a path straight between the 
points, must be clear by a wave length increase of the path caused by 
the signal if it diverges from a straight line far enough to add 1 
wavelength to the path at that frequency as if the surface in the middle 
that it was glancing off of was a mirror. For really long hops, that 
clearance distance can be 100 feet or more. 

For a 90 mile hop at 7 GHz we had to go cut brush that wanted to be 
trees, on top of Pine Ridge (not the SD reservation town by the same 
name) between a microwave site on Battle Mtn SD, to the middle of the 
plateau of the Agate Beds National Monument in western NE. That was part 
of a 2 way path from Rapid City to the monument pulled off by cross 
polarization, tight filters and 1 watt transmitters. The southbound path 
turned east to KDUH-tv so we could switch the programming in Rapid City, 
SD.

> Also keep in mind that this setup will be prone to weather conditions
> like rain, snow, wind and could temporally make signal strength worse.
>
It's also subject to the sun rising and falling. About 30 minutes of 
cyclic fading for each transition. But they don't tell you that in 
school. :(

> [1]
> https://www.tp-link.com/us/products/details/cat-5067_TL-ANT2424B.html#
>specifications



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Re: Any directional antennas recommendations?

[Roger Price]

On Fri, 23 Nov 2018, Hubert Hauser wrote:


I need to connect to a distant Wi-Fi network. I consider buying a
parabolic antenna. I want to have 10 km range and long amplification.
Will TP-Link TL-ANT2424B be a good aerial?


Given your 10km range, it might be interesting to calculate the Fresnel Zone 
radius to identify obstructions outside the line of sight. See 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fresnel_zone


Roger

Re: Any directional antennas recommendations?

[Eike Lantzsch]

On Saturday, November 24, 2018 4:28:01 PM -03 Alexander V. Makartsev wrote:
> On 24.11.2018 3:41, Hubert Hauser wrote:
> > Hello!
> > 
> > I need to connect to a distant Wi-Fi network. I consider buying a
> > parabolic antenna. I want to have 10 km range and long amplification.
> > Will TP-Link TL-ANT2424B be a good aerial?
> > 
> > --
> > 
> > Best wishes,
> > Hubert.
> 
> According to specifications of the TL-ANT2424B you should be getting
> around 30Mbps. [1]
> Of course, you have to install antennas on both sides, as Doug already
> suggested, to make them "talk" in both directions and also make sure
> there are minimal possible obstructions between them, especially
> concrete or wooden buildings, trees, high voltage power lines, etc.

And don't just think of line-of-sight but also take the Fresnel-Zone* into 
account because every dB counts. You might want to install WiMax, which is 
designed to cover distances of up to 50km instead of being bent on WiFi. Using 
high-gain directional antennas makes your installation illegal in most 
countries unless you are a licensed radio amateur. But even then you need to 
stay within the assigned frequenies for amateur radio and you are not allowed 
to encrypt.

[*] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fresnel_zone

> You have to mount them on a poles long enough to compensate for horizon
> curvature and direct them at each other to get maximum possible signal
> strength.
> Also keep in mind that this setup will be prone to weather conditions
> like rain, snow, wind and could temporally make signal strength worse.
> 
> [1]
> https://www.tp-link.com/us/products/details/cat-5067_TL-ANT2424B.html#specif
> ications

-- 
Eike Lantzsch ZP6CGE

Re: Any directional antennas recommendations?

[Alexander V. Makartsev]

On 24.11.2018 3:41, Hubert Hauser wrote:
> Hello!
>
> I need to connect to a distant Wi-Fi network. I consider buying a
> parabolic antenna. I want to have 10 km range and long amplification.
> Will TP-Link TL-ANT2424B be a good aerial?
>
> --
>
> Best wishes,
> Hubert.
>
According to specifications of the TL-ANT2424B you should be getting
around 30Mbps. [1]
Of course, you have to install antennas on both sides, as Doug already
suggested, to make them "talk" in both directions and also make sure
there are minimal possible obstructions between them, especially
concrete or wooden buildings, trees, high voltage power lines, etc.
You have to mount them on a poles long enough to compensate for horizon
curvature and direct them at each other to get maximum possible signal
strength.
Also keep in mind that this setup will be prone to weather conditions
like rain, snow, wind and could temporally make signal strength worse.

[1]
https://www.tp-link.com/us/products/details/cat-5067_TL-ANT2424B.html#specifications

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Re: Any directional antennas recommendations?

[Doug]

On 11/23/2018 05:41 PM, Hubert Hauser wrote:

Hello!

I need to connect to a distant Wi-Fi network. I consider buying a
parabolic antenna. I want to have 10 km range and long amplification.
Will TP-Link TL-ANT2424B be a good aerial?

--

Best wishes,
Hubert.


It's doubtful that you can reach a 10KM network with any kind of antenna 
unless there is an equal one at the far end. Then you might try the 
parabloic at each end.

Any directional antennas recommendations?

[Hubert Hauser]

Hello!

I need to connect to a distant Wi-Fi network. I consider buying a
parabolic antenna. I want to have 10 km range and long amplification.
Will TP-Link TL-ANT2424B be a good aerial?

--

Best wishes,
Hubert.