Re: Any kmail filtering advice?
On Thu, 23 Dec 2010 19:13:21 -0800, Steve McCarthy wrote: On Thursday 23 Dec 2010, Lisi wrote: On Thursday 23 December 2010 21:48:26 Steve McCarthy wrote: Has anyone else found a way to defer junk (not SPAM) mail in kmail? It can use Spamassassin. (It can integrate it.) But I don't understand the distinction between Spam and Junk. To which version of KMail are we referring? Or which version of Debian? Sorry I wasn't clearer. I believe the distinction is: SPAM is unsolicited whereas junk is solicited but unwanted at the present time. Stores you patronize or causes you support will all send you email which you may or may not want to read right now. Just like junk snail mail, usually its tossed unopened, but occasionally you're interested (or bored) enough to read it. Ice Owl labels any mail not coming for a friend as junk and moves it out of your in-box. I think friends are defined as being in your address book, but not entirely sure. Hum... maybe you are looking for a way of telling Kmail that e-mails coming from selected users (in address book or by manually selection) is ham (and never tagged as spam, kinda whitelisting in SA parlance). This should be easy to achieve by using anti-spam measures (SA, bogofilter) along with filtering actions (rules). Here there are some tips: http://maketecheasier.com/how-to-create-email-filters-with-kmail/2010/01/11 http://userbase.kde.org/KMail/Tools#Anti-Spam_Tools As to your second question Why move her? kmail is better integrated with kde, for whatever that's worth. Plus, Ice owl uses a database rather than maildirs for storage. Any new message means all stored messages are backed up nightly.. There may be a solution to this, but it wasn't obvious to me. Agree :-) But I hope your girlfriend does not care about HTML e-mails and advanced formatting options :-) So, since kmail's address book filter appears broken, I'm searching for another approach. Kmail anti-spam and filtering tools used to be very powerful and flexible, maybe you need to dig a bit more about how to get the same behaviour here than in Thunderbird. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2010.12.27.12.29...@gmail.com
Re: Any kmail filtering advice?
On Friday 24 Dec 2010, Chris Davies wrote: To do this is straightforward if somewhat fiddly. - Enable junk/spam processing (I assume KMail can do this) - Create a filter for each of the known shops and mailing lists Yes, I think this is essentially the Thunderbird approach. Each acceptable address must be captured somewhere for future comparison. If not the address book, the filter chain will do the trick. Thanks. steve -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201012271918.39783.newsdeb...@jetcity.org
Re: Any kmail filtering advice?
On Monday 27 Dec 2010, Camaleón wrote: Hum... maybe you are looking for a way of telling Kmail that e-mails coming from selected users (in address book or by manually selection) is ham (and never tagged as spam, kinda whitelisting in SA parlance). This should be easy to achieve by using anti-spam measures (SA, bogofilter) along with filtering actions (rules). Here there are some tips: http://maketecheasier.com/how-to-create-email-filters-with-kmail/2010/0 1/11 http://userbase.kde.org/KMail/Tools#Anti-Spam_Tools Thanks for an interesting idea. I'll explore existing SPAM methods further. I admit I've never looked under the hood of SA. steve -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201012272314.53178.newsdeb...@jetcity.org
Re: Any kmail filtering advice?
Steve McCarthy newsdeb...@jetcity.org wrote: Sorry I wasn't clearer. I believe the distinction is: SPAM is unsolicited whereas junk is solicited but unwanted at the present time. Stores you patronize or causes you support will all send you email which you may or may not want to read right now. Just like junk snail mail, usually its tossed unopened, but occasionally you're interested (or bored) enough to read it. Thunderbird doesn't make this distinction. Junk is spam and spam is junk. Perhaps your (or your girlfriend's) terminology is at odds with the people who created Thunderbird, KMail, etc. It is quite possible to have this kind of split (in fact, it's a simplification of what I use myself): - Get rid of Spam (junk) into the Spam/Junk folder - Keep emails from known shops and other mailing lists out of the Inbox - Keep friends' emails in Inbox - Keep unknown but probably not Spam (junk) email in the Inbox To do this is straightforward if somewhat fiddly. - Enable junk/spam processing (I assume KMail can do this) - Create a filter for each of the known shops and mailing lists Chris -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/ab7eu7xkqm@news.roaima.co.uk
Any kmail filtering advice?
My GF's disk died and it seemed a perfect time to introduce her to linux/gnu and kde as a msft substitute. I was sadly mistaken. I chose kmail as a substitute for her thunderbird for several reasons. My problem now is duplicating one of thunderbird/ice owl’s features: junk mail control. She gets dozens of messages that she wants to keep but peruse later. ice owl’s junk folder approach separates friends from junk on receipt. I've tried to duplicate this in kmail, but filtering on address book contents appears to be broken. Has anyone else found a way to defer junk (not SPAM) mail in kmail? Don't bother suggesting my GF change her email ways. That is the wrong road. Believe me. Thanks, steve -- Next week's episode: Don't Touch My Junk -or- Another K-Nail in My Coffin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201012231348.26703.newsdeb...@jetcity.org
Re: Any kmail filtering advice?
On Thursday 23 December 2010 21:48:26 Steve McCarthy wrote: Has anyone else found a way to defer junk (not SPAM) mail in kmail? It can use Spamassassin. (It can integrate it.) But I don't understand the distinction between Spam and Junk. To which version of KMail are we referring? Or which version of Debian? Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201012232257.59040.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: Any kmail filtering advice?
On Thursday 23 December 2010 21:48:26 Steve McCarthy wrote: My GF's disk died and it seemed a perfect time to introduce her to linux/gnu and kde as a msft substitute. I was sadly mistaken. I chose kmail as a substitute for her thunderbird for several reasons. My problem now is duplicating one of thunderbird/ice owl’s features: junk mail control. Immediate second thoughts: If she is happy with it why not just leave her with Ice-Dove? I use KMail myself, but have set up IceDove for my husband. (Both on Lenny.) Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201012232303.07927.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: Any kmail filtering advice?
On Thursday 23 Dec 2010, Lisi wrote: On Thursday 23 December 2010 21:48:26 Steve McCarthy wrote: Has anyone else found a way to defer junk (not SPAM) mail in kmail? It can use Spamassassin. (It can integrate it.) But I don't understand the distinction between Spam and Junk. To which version of KMail are we referring? Or which version of Debian? Lisi Sorry I wasn't clearer. I believe the distinction is: SPAM is unsolicited whereas junk is solicited but unwanted at the present time. Stores you patronize or causes you support will all send you email which you may or may not want to read right now. Just like junk snail mail, usually its tossed unopened, but occasionally you're interested (or bored) enough to read it. Ice Owl labels any mail not coming for a friend as junk and moves it out of your in-box. I think friends are defined as being in your address book, but not entirely sure. As to your second question Why move her? kmail is better integrated with kde, for whatever that's worth. Plus, Ice owl uses a database rather than maildirs for storage. Any new message means all stored messages are backed up nightly.. There may be a solution to this, but it wasn't obvious to me. So, since kmail's address book filter appears broken, I'm searching for another approach. Thanks, steve -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201012231913.21674.newsdeb...@jetcity.org
