Re: Any way to 'remove' apt-get?
Am 2006-01-11 16:53:51, schrieb Andy Hawkins: > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ aptitude update > Reading Package Lists... Done > Building Dependency Tree > Reading extended state information > Initializing package states... Done > Reading task descriptions... Done > E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (13 Permission > denied) > E: Couldn't lock list directory..are you root? su root -- aptitude update Greetings Michelle Konzack Systemadministrator Tamay Dogan Network Debian GNU/Linux Consultant -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant # Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 ICQ #328449886 50, rue de Soultz MSM LinuxMichi 0033/3/8845235667100 Strasbourg/France IRC #Debian (irc.icq.com) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Any way to 'remove' apt-get?
Am 2006-01-11 09:19:30, schrieb Matthew Dawson: > Also there are things that apt can do aptitude can't. (Seen in the apt-build > script.) Yes:apt-get moo (Try it out ;-) ) Greetings Michelle Konzack Systemadministrator Tamay Dogan Network Debian GNU/Linux Consultant -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant # Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 ICQ #328449886 50, rue de Soultz MSM LinuxMichi 0033/3/8845235667100 Strasbourg/France IRC #Debian (irc.icq.com) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Any way to 'remove' apt-get?
On 1/16/06, David Berg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yes, you could look at it that way. I was 'Grr'ing because I can't > seem to remember to replyall instead of reply when responding to a > list that's setup as debian-user. I have yet to switch back to mutt > as I want to keep messages' read/unread status updated within gmail > and haven't bothered to figure out how to do this with another mailer. *Please*, if you're using Gmail and haven't done so yet, submit a feature request for them to handle mailing lists properly. They won't do it unless enough users ask about it, preferring instead to add such wonderful features as a random blog entry at the top of the page. While you're at it, ask them to fix the content encoding so that messages sent from Gmail accounts to the Debian lists actually get the standard footer. There's no reason for plain-text messages to get a MIME type of "quoted/printable", or any other MIME type, for that matter. -- Michael A. Marsh http://www.umiacs.umd.edu/~mmarsh http://mamarsh.blogspot.com
Re: Any way to 'remove' apt-get?
On 1/12/06, Joshua Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, Jan 12, 2006 at 12:55:46AM -0500, Gabriel S. Farrell wrote: > > On Wed, Jan 11, 2006 at 10:00:02PM -0600, David Berg wrote: > > > Grr, I've got to get to a mailer more flexible than GMail. Sorry for > > > the direct reply Andy. > > > > Are you Grring because you wish you were using Mutt? It's the answer > > to all your problems! > > Actually you can use Mutt with gmail and exim4/fetchmail using SSL and > TLS, I'm doing it right now. You do have to activate POP3 in gmail though, > and exim4 needs some configuring to use TLS. > Yes, you could look at it that way. I was 'Grr'ing because I can't seem to remember to replyall instead of reply when responding to a list that's setup as debian-user. I have yet to switch back to mutt as I want to keep messages' read/unread status updated within gmail and haven't bothered to figure out how to do this with another mailer. Back OT though, am I destined for trouble because I use apt-get and aptitude interchangably? Dave
Re: Any way to 'remove' apt-get?
On Thu, Jan 12, 2006 at 12:55:46AM -0500, Gabriel S. Farrell wrote: > On Wed, Jan 11, 2006 at 10:00:02PM -0600, David Berg wrote: > > Grr, I've got to get to a mailer more flexible than GMail. Sorry for > > the direct reply Andy. > > Are you Grring because you wish you were using Mutt? It's the answer > to all your problems! Actually you can use Mutt with gmail and exim4/fetchmail using SSL and TLS, I'm doing it right now. You do have to activate POP3 in gmail though, and exim4 needs some configuring to use TLS. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Any way to 'remove' apt-get?
On Wed, Jan 11, 2006 at 10:00:02PM -0600, David Berg wrote: > Grr, I've got to get to a mailer more flexible than GMail. Sorry for > the direct reply Andy. Are you Grring because you wish you were using Mutt? It's the answer to all your problems! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Any way to 'remove' apt-get?
Grr, I've got to get to a mailer more flexible than GMail. Sorry for the direct reply Andy. > I accidentally used apt-get to install a few packages yesterday, and when my > nightly automatic aptitude update && aptitude -s -f dist-upgrade ran > overnight, it wants to remove the newly installed packages (mysql 4.1) and > replace them with the older ones. > > I had to manually run aptitude remove before it could > continue. This seems odd to me. I've been using aptitude for all my interactive installs and apt-get for anything on the commandline and haven't noticed any problems. Am I working my way towards a problem? Dave
Re: Any way to 'remove' apt-get?
On Wed, 11 Jan 2006 16:43:37 +0100 Marc PERRUDIN <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >Also there are things that apt can do aptitude can't. (Seen in the > >apt-build > >script.) > > > > > Yes, aptitude doesn't have the 'source' command so you can't download > source package with aptitude. [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ apt-get -h [snip] ... [snip] This APT has Super Cow Powers. [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ aptitude -h [snip] ... [snip] This aptitude does not have Super Cow Powers. I'd want to keep the Super Cow Powers around ;) I remember when doing a dist-upgrade from sarge to sid (which also involved changing from Xfree86 to Xorg) i couldn't sort out the dependencies with aptitude. It worked with apt-get though... Andrei -- If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. (Albert Einstein) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Any way to 'remove' apt-get?
On Wed, Jan 11, 2006 at 11:23:43AM +, Andy Hawkins wrote: > Hi, > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, >David Jardine<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > you could put: > > > > alias apt-get='echo "Use aptitude instead" ' > > > > in /etc/profile. > > I did think of something similar :) > > I did also try uninstalling apt, but it tried to remove aptitude too! > > Does aptitude use apt? > Yes, of _course_ it does: both also use dpkg underneath. If you go back slightly in the archives, you'll find an informative post from Joey Hess about the similarities and differences between the various front ends to dpkg, the thread including a rant from me :) The hierarchy is something like synaptic -- aptitude -- adept dselect -- apt-get apt dpkg where dpkg is the lowest level. Andy Andy > Andy > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Any way to 'remove' apt-get?
On 1/11/06, Andy Hawkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I don't use aptitude interactively, only from the command line: Hence the comment about using sudo: $ sudo aptitude update You could even configure sudo to let you run aptitude without entering a password, though it's not a bad idea to keep that particular safety valve in place. Since you wouldn't be running as root, and you wouldn't configure sudo to let you run apt-get as root from your user account, you'd never have to worry about accidentally running apt-get instead of aptitude. -- Michael A. Marsh http://www.umiacs.umd.edu/~mmarsh http://mamarsh.blogspot.com
Re: Any way to 'remove' apt-get?
Hi, In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Michael Marsh<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You could always run aptitude from a regular user account instead of > root. Interactive aptitude will prompt you for a password when it > needs one, and you can use sudo for the non-interactive calls. Then > it's simply a matter of not configuring sudo for apt-get. I don't use aptitude interactively, only from the command line: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ aptitude update Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree Reading extended state information Initializing package states... Done Reading task descriptions... Done E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (13 Permission denied) E: Couldn't lock list directory..are you root? Andy -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Any way to 'remove' apt-get?
Matthew Dawson a écrit : >On January 11, 2006 07:00 am, Clive Menzies wrote: > > >>On (11/01/06 11:23), Andy Hawkins wrote: >> >> >>>Hi, >>> >>>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, >>> >>> David Jardine<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> >>> you could put: alias apt-get='echo "Use aptitude instead" ' in /etc/profile. >>>I did think of something similar :) >>> >>>I did also try uninstalling apt, but it tried to remove aptitude too! >>> >>>Does aptitude use apt? >>> >>> >>Yes aptitude is a front end to apt which in turn makes use of dpkg, a >>heirachy of dependence. >> >> >> >Also there are things that apt can do aptitude can't. (Seen in the apt-build >script.) > > Yes, aptitude doesn't have the 'source' command so you can't download source package with aptitude. >>Regards >> >>Clive >> >>-- >>www.clivemenzies.co.uk ... >>...strategies for business >> >> -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Any way to 'remove' apt-get?
On 1/11/06, Andy Hawkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I accidentally used apt-get to install a few packages yesterday, and when my > nightly automatic aptitude update && aptitude -s -f dist-upgrade ran > overnight, it wants to remove the newly installed packages (mysql 4.1) and > replace them with the older ones. You could always run aptitude from a regular user account instead of root. Interactive aptitude will prompt you for a password when it needs one, and you can use sudo for the non-interactive calls. Then it's simply a matter of not configuring sudo for apt-get. -- Michael A. Marsh http://www.umiacs.umd.edu/~mmarsh http://mamarsh.blogspot.com
Re: Any way to 'remove' apt-get?
On January 11, 2006 07:00 am, Clive Menzies wrote: > On (11/01/06 11:23), Andy Hawkins wrote: > > Hi, > > > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > > > >David Jardine<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > you could put: > > > > > > alias apt-get='echo "Use aptitude instead" ' > > > > > > in /etc/profile. > > > > I did think of something similar :) > > > > I did also try uninstalling apt, but it tried to remove aptitude too! > > > > Does aptitude use apt? > > Yes aptitude is a front end to apt which in turn makes use of dpkg, a > heirachy of dependence. > Also there are things that apt can do aptitude can't. (Seen in the apt-build script.) > Regards > > Clive > > -- > www.clivemenzies.co.uk ... > ...strategies for business pgpGBTduVJhDz.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Any way to 'remove' apt-get?
On (11/01/06 11:23), Andy Hawkins wrote: > Hi, > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, >David Jardine<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > you could put: > > > > alias apt-get='echo "Use aptitude instead" ' > > > > in /etc/profile. > > I did think of something similar :) > > I did also try uninstalling apt, but it tried to remove aptitude too! > > Does aptitude use apt? Yes aptitude is a front end to apt which in turn makes use of dpkg, a heirachy of dependence. Regards Clive -- www.clivemenzies.co.uk ... ...strategies for business -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Any way to 'remove' apt-get?
> Does aptitude use apt? I think aptitude is an interface to apt so it depends from apt. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Any way to 'remove' apt-get?
Hi, In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, David Jardine<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > you could put: > > alias apt-get='echo "Use aptitude instead" ' > > in /etc/profile. I did think of something similar :) I did also try uninstalling apt, but it tried to remove aptitude too! Does aptitude use apt? Andy -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Any way to 'remove' apt-get?
On Wed, Jan 11, 2006 at 09:53:43AM +, Andy Hawkins wrote: > Hi, > > Now that aptitude is the recommended package manager for Debian Stable, is > there any way of removing apt-get? > > I accidentally used apt-get to install a few packages yesterday, and when my > nightly automatic aptitude update && aptitude -s -f dist-upgrade ran > overnight, it wants to remove the newly installed packages (mysql 4.1) and > replace them with the older ones. > > I had to manually run aptitude remove before it could > continue. > > Is there any way of removing apt-get so that I can't run it by accident > again in future? > > Thanks > > Andy > you could put: alias apt-get='echo "Use aptitude instead" ' in /etc/profile. -- David Jardine "Running Debian GNU/Linux and loving every minute of it." -L. von Sacher-M.(1835-1895) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Any way to 'remove' apt-get?
On Wed, Jan 11, 2006 at 09:53:43AM +, Andy Hawkins wrote : > Is there any way of removing apt-get so that I can't run it by accident > again in future? What about an alias to run aptitude when you write apt-get ? Regards. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Any way to 'remove' apt-get?
Andy Hawkins wrote: Hi, Now that aptitude is the recommended package manager for Debian Stable, is there any way of removing apt-get? I accidentally used apt-get to install a few packages yesterday, and when my nightly automatic aptitude update && aptitude -s -f dist-upgrade ran overnight, it wants to remove the newly installed packages (mysql 4.1) and replace them with the older ones. I had to manually run aptitude remove before it could continue. Is there any way of removing apt-get so that I can't run it by accident again in future? Thanks Andy I'm still using apt-get so I wouldn't know what aptitude does in the background, but if aptitude doesn't need apt-get you could solve the problem easily by running : chmod -x /usr/bin/apt-get Then you can't run it and get an error if you tryas you would get if it wasn't there anymore... Sturla -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Any way to 'remove' apt-get?
Hi, Now that aptitude is the recommended package manager for Debian Stable, is there any way of removing apt-get? I accidentally used apt-get to install a few packages yesterday, and when my nightly automatic aptitude update && aptitude -s -f dist-upgrade ran overnight, it wants to remove the newly installed packages (mysql 4.1) and replace them with the older ones. I had to manually run aptitude remove before it could continue. Is there any way of removing apt-get so that I can't run it by accident again in future? Thanks Andy -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
