Re: Anybody have a chromebook? Can it run Debian?
zxcvbob wrote: It is possible, but it's not easy. I tried installing a Linux distro (don't remember which one) from a thumb drive in Developer Mode and the BIOS recognized it but would not boot it because it wasn't signed. Google has some way of allowing developer self-signing, but I never looked into how that works. The readers of this thread might find this blog posting interesting. Don't like Secure Boot? Don't buy a Chromebook. http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/22465.html Bob signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Anybody have a chromebook? Can it run Debian?
It is possible, but it's not easy. I tried installing a Linux distro (don't remember which one) from a thumb drive in Developer Mode and the BIOS recognized it but would not boot it because it wasn't signed. Google has some way of allowing developer self-signing, but I never looked into how that works. The readers of this thread might find this blog posting interesting. Don't like Secure Boot? Don't buy a Chromebook. http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/22465.html Which reminds me of a question I have about these braindead secure booting systems: has any company (Google/Miscrosoft/younameit) actually shown evidence that there are attacks out there in the wild that subvert/replace the OS's boot sequence? I mean, I'm willing to believe there are such attacks out there, but in order to justify all this pain, they had better be very widespread and very nasty, yet I haven't heard much about such things. So I'd love to see a list of, say, attacks we have seen in the past and which would have been prevented by SecureBoot. Stefan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/jwvvca6g8dj.fsf-monnier+gmane.linux.debian.u...@gnu.org
Re: Anybody have a chromebook? Can it run Debian?
On Tue, February 5, 2013 6:14 am, Stefan Monnier wrote: It is possible, but it's not easy. I tried installing a Linux distro (don't remember which one) from a thumb drive in Developer Mode and the BIOS recognized it but would not boot it because it wasn't signed. Google has some way of allowing developer self-signing, but I never looked into how that works. The readers of this thread might find this blog posting interesting. Don't like Secure Boot? Don't buy a Chromebook. http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/22465.html Which reminds me of a question I have about these braindead secure booting systems: has any company (Google/Miscrosoft/younameit) actually shown evidence that there are attacks out there in the wild that subvert/replace the OS's boot sequence? I mean, I'm willing to believe there are such attacks out there, but in order to justify all this pain, they had better be very widespread and very nasty, yet I haven't heard much about such things. So I'd love to see a list of, say, attacks we have seen in the past and which would have been prevented by SecureBoot. Probably none. I'm satisfied, in my own mind, that this is more about market control than any aesthetic concern for market requirement on the part of Microsoft. And a prelude to eventual legislation. They've always worked in well with their political friends. Regards, Weaver -- It is the duty of the patriot to protect his country from its government. -- Thomas Paine Registered Linux User: 554515 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/bc57712750c265db22f38c68670c64cf.squir...@fulvetta.riseup.net
Re: Anybody have a chromebook? Can it run Debian?
I have no knowledge of the Chromebook than from that presented by Matt Garrett. From his explanation, the BIOS erases user data when its secure mode is disabled. So long as it's not easy to do accidentally, I actually think this is a feature for its target market segment. If that is implemented along with encryption of the user data (I don't know, is it?), it seems a valuable feature if the Chromebook is lost or stolen. Perhaps I don't see the greater threat posed by the security mechanism employed by the Chromebooks which is a purpose built computer than UEFI which is targeted at all future offerings and is, IMO, a greater concern. In other words, I can avoid buying a Chromebook but I doubt I can avoid UEFI once my current hardware needs upgrading. - Nate -- The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true. Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://www.n0nb.us -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130205155853.gs5...@n0nb.us
Re: Anybody have a chromebook? Can it run Debian?
On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 9:14 AM, Stefan Monnier monn...@iro.umontreal.ca wrote: The readers of this thread might find this blog posting interesting. Don't like Secure Boot? Don't buy a Chromebook. http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/22465.html Which reminds me of a question I have about these braindead secure booting systems: has any company (Google/Miscrosoft/younameit) actually shown evidence that there are attacks out there in the wild that subvert/replace the OS's boot sequence? I mean, I'm willing to believe there are such attacks out there, but in order to justify all this pain, they had better be very widespread and very nasty, yet I haven't heard much about such things. So I'd love to see a list of, say, attacks we have seen in the past and which would have been prevented by SecureBoot. AFAIK, BIOS/MBR rootkits such as: http://www.net-security.org/malware_news.php?id=2143 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAOdo=sysaud4yfgmo4atsjvy0gebxxmr4aydwkddaoqwfqk...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Anybody have a chromebook? Can it run Debian?
On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 10:58 AM, Nate Bargmann n...@n0nb.us wrote: I have no knowledge of the Chromebook than from that presented by Matt Garrett. From his explanation, the BIOS erases user data when its secure mode is disabled. So long as it's not easy to do accidentally, I actually think this is a feature for its target market segment. If that is implemented along with encryption of the user data (I don't know, is it?), it seems a valuable feature if the Chromebook is lost or stolen. Perhaps I don't see the greater threat posed by the security mechanism employed by the Chromebooks which is a purpose built computer than UEFI which is targeted at all future offerings and is, IMO, a greater concern. In other words, I can avoid buying a Chromebook but I doubt I can avoid UEFI once my current hardware needs upgrading. MJG's point is that the ChromeBook's implementation of SB's more restrictive than that of Win8 hardware manufacturers because the latter allow you to install and run Fedora/OpenSUSE/Ubuntu (or any other SB-compatible distribution) with SB whereas the ChromeBook doesn't. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAOdo=Sw0uNkoQER4VyKhOewKHs1N5XLBLiYdyg0=uxl1uop...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Anybody have a chromebook? Can it run Debian?
On Sb, 02 feb 13, 18:04:31, Rick Thomas wrote: HD Widescreen CineCrystal™ LED-backlit LCD Display (1366 x 768) Intel HD Graphics chip 128MB Video Graphics Memory So it's not a huge display (either in physical size or in pixel real-estate) but for the price, it's acceptable. I wonder what pixel real-estate can do for you. As far as I'm concerned, if the DPI is reasonable[1] the size of the screen will be the limiting factor. [1] my Thinkpad has 129x127, which is good enough for me. According to my calculations the Chromebook should have a slightly higher DPI Kind regards, Andrei -- Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Anybody have a chromebook? Can it run Debian?
On Sb, 02 feb 13, 21:06:55, zxcvbob wrote: I have a different model Chromebook with an Atom processor and a SSD. It should run Debian just fine; Beware of the graphics, the integrated chips of newer Atoms are not supported by the usual intel driver. Kind regards, Andrei -- Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Anybody have a chromebook? Can it run Debian?
Mark Allums wrote: From: Chris Bannister [mailto:cbannis...@slingshot.co.nz] On Sat, Feb 02, 2013 at 09:06:55PM -0600, zxcvbob wrote: I have a different model Chromebook with an Atom processor and a SSD. It should run Debian just fine; I have Debian on an older netbook, but good luck installing it! (My info is about a year old and from memory) Chromebook BIOS is locked-down pretty tight. You will have to find a signed installation distro and install it on the chromebook in Developer Mode. Chrome OS runs on a Linux kernel, but the terminal has *very* few commands, and you cannot get to the update manager or install any Linux software. You can install free apps from the Google store. I presume the device can't be rooted. :( But if so, this may be worth a look: https://play.google.com/store/search?q=linuxc=apps=en_GB At least 1,000 results It's been done. I don't know which specific model, but you can use developer mode in some to achieve root, and from then on, you can do what you like. Google chromebook developer mode and you'll find lots of detailed instructions, including this one: https://sites.google.com/site/chromeoswikisite/home/what-s-new-in-dev-and-beta/developer-mode which goes on to describe how to how to install Ubuntu (not quite Debian, but close) and dual-boot it with ChromeOS -- In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice, there is. Yogi Berra -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/510e62d4.7000...@meetinghouse.net
Re: Anybody have a chromebook? Can it run Debian?
On 02/02/2013 00:48, Rick Thomas wrote: I was googling for an inexpensive laptop for a friend and came across the chromebook C710 from Acer: http://www.staples.com/Acer-C710-2847-116-Chromebook/product_125265 or http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834215914 • Intel Celeron 847 1.1GHz • 2GB Memory (expandable to 4GB) 320GB HDD (5400RPM) • 11.6 HD Widescreen CineCrystal™ LED-backlit LCD • Wi-fi 802.11a/b/g/n • Google Chome OS Price $200. Can't beat the price! Does anybody have any experience with this device? Can I put Debian on it? How about other flavors of Linux? Failing that, what do you think of Chrome-OS? Can it run Libre Office? Thanks! Rick You may have to wait a bit for full support on some models, see [1]. You will probably need bleeding edge software and kernel to get the most out of it, newer than Wheezy's unless some patches are back-ported. Installation isn't trivial either, you can see [2] for a walk-through with a dedicated Ubuntu build. [1]http://lkml.indiana.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/1302.0/00628.html [2] http://liliputing.com/2012/11/how-to-install-ubuntu-12-04-on-the-199-acer-c7-chromebook.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/510cdad0.8060...@googlemail.com
Re: Anybody have a chromebook? Can it run Debian?
On 02/02/2013 11:22 AM, tv.deb...@googlemail.com wrote: On 02/02/2013 00:48, Rick Thomas wrote: I was googling for an inexpensive laptop for a friend and came across the chromebook C710 from Acer: http://www.staples.com/Acer-C710-2847-116-Chromebook/product_125265 or http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834215914 • Intel Celeron 847 1.1GHz • 2GB Memory (expandable to 4GB) 320GB HDD (5400RPM) • 11.6 HD Widescreen CineCrystal™ LED-backlit LCD • Wi-fi 802.11a/b/g/n • Google Chome OS Price $200. Can't beat the price! Does anybody have any experience with this device? Can I put Debian on it? How about other flavors of Linux? Failing that, what do you think of Chrome-OS? Can it run Libre Office? Thanks! Rick You may have to wait a bit for full support on some models, see [1]. You will probably need bleeding edge software and kernel to get the most out of it, newer than Wheezy's unless some patches are back-ported. Installation isn't trivial either, you can see [2] for a walk-through with a dedicated Ubuntu build. [1]http://lkml.indiana.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/1302.0/00628.html [2] http://liliputing.com/2012/11/how-to-install-ubuntu-12-04-on-the-199-acer-c7-chromebook.html Also beware of the screen resolution. It might not be what you think it is. I notice it is missing from the stats above. Regards, /Lars -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/510cdcb3.50...@gmail.com
Re: Anybody have a chromebook? Can it run Debian?
Good question I was mulling over the posibillty of getting an ARM based Samsung Chromebook http://www.google.com/intl/en/chrome/devices/samsung-chromebook.html#specs http://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Samsung/ARMChromebook It looks like a real possibility On 02/02/2013 07:48 AM, Rick Thomas wrote: I was googling for an inexpensive laptop for a friend and came across the chromebook C710 from Acer: http://www.staples.com/Acer-C710-2847-116-Chromebook/product_125265 or http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834215914 • Intel Celeron 847 1.1GHz • 2GB Memory (expandable to 4GB) 320GB HDD (5400RPM) • 11.6 HD Widescreen CineCrystal™ LED-backlit LCD • Wi-fi 802.11a/b/g/n • Google Chome OS Price $200. Can't beat the price! Does anybody have any experience with this device? Can I put Debian on it? How about other flavors of Linux? Failing that, what do you think of Chrome-OS? Can it run Libre Office? Thanks! Rick -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/510cec6f.6090...@homeurl.co.uk
Re: Anybody have a chromebook? Can it run Debian?
On Sat, February 2, 2013 2:37 am, Bob wrote: Good question I was mulling over the posibillty of getting an ARM based Samsung Chromebook http://www.google.com/intl/en/chrome/devices/samsung-chromebook.html#specs http://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Samsung/ARMChromebook It looks like a real possibility Samsung are having serious firmware problems right now. Why not go for hardware that is specifically designed for Linux and remove any potential problems completely? https://zareason.com/shop/Laptops/ Regards, Weaver On 02/02/2013 07:48 AM, Rick Thomas wrote: I was googling for an inexpensive laptop for a friend and came across the chromebook C710 from Acer: http://www.staples.com/Acer-C710-2847-116-Chromebook/product_125265 or http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834215914 • Intel Celeron 847 1.1GHz • 2GB Memory (expandable to 4GB) 320GB HDD (5400RPM) • 11.6 HD Widescreen CineCrystal™ LED-backlit LCD • Wi-fi 802.11a/b/g/n • Google Chome OS Price $200. Can't beat the price! Does anybody have any experience with this device? Can I put Debian on it? How about other flavors of Linux? Failing that, what do you think of Chrome-OS? Can it run Libre Office? Thanks! Rick -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/510cec6f.6090...@homeurl.co.uk -- It is the duty of the patriot to protect his country from its government. -- Thomas Paine Registered Linux User: 554515 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/2e792cab0804ce6ce74c6b9db5dfcd6c.squir...@fruiteater.riseup.net
Re: Anybody have a chromebook? Can it run Debian?
On Sb, 02 feb 13, 03:28:39, Weaver wrote: Samsung are having serious firmware problems right now. Why not go for hardware that is specifically designed for Linux and remove any potential problems completely? As far as I know ChromeOS is Linux. Kind regards, Andrei -- Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Anybody have a chromebook? Can it run Debian?
On Sat, February 2, 2013 10:41 am, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Sb, 02 feb 13, 03:28:39, Weaver wrote: Samsung are having serious firmware problems right now. Why not go for hardware that is specifically designed for Linux and remove any potential problems completely? As far as I know ChromeOS is Linux. Sorry! I should have qualified what I said. There are many examples of this happening, with the new Samsung laptops, right now and not just with Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1040557 I understand that Linus has issued a couple of fixes to the kernel, but the Samsung firmware is still somewhat shaky. Regards, Weaver Kind regards, Andrei -- Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic -- It is the duty of the patriot to protect his country from its government. -- Thomas Paine Registered Linux User: 554515 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/55a5abb4b18bdca4b0785601f02f73f1.squir...@fruiteater.riseup.net
Re: Anybody have a chromebook? Can it run Debian?
On Sb, 02 feb 13, 03:28:39, Weaver wrote: Samsung are having serious firmware problems right now. Why not go for hardware that is specifically designed for Linux and remove any potential problems completely? This may be a silly question, but how exactly does one design a general-purpose computer specifically to support Linux? That seems just a bit backwards if you ask me. Now, if you were to say: go for hardware for which hardware-specific drivers already exist, that's another story. Miles Fidelman -- In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice, there is. Yogi Berra -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/510d9071.9090...@meetinghouse.net
Re: Anybody have a chromebook? Can it run Debian?
On Sat, February 2, 2013 2:17 pm, Miles Fidelman wrote: On Sb, 02 feb 13, 03:28:39, Weaver wrote: Samsung are having serious firmware problems right now. Why not go for hardware that is specifically designed for Linux and remove any potential problems completely? This may be a silly question, but how exactly does one design a general-purpose computer specifically to support Linux? That seems just a bit backwards if you ask me. Now, if you were to say: go for hardware for which hardware-specific drivers already exist, that's another story. And I can't see the difference. Perhaps they also write drivers? Regards, Weaver -- It is the duty of the patriot to protect his country from its government. -- Thomas Paine Registered Linux User: 554515 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/fef37ed149d3844da3df5f647435d844.squir...@fulvetta.riseup.net
Re: Anybody have a chromebook? Can it run Debian?
Thanks! For myself those look great. But she is *extremely* price conscious. Rick On Feb 2, 2013, at 3:28 AM, Weaver wrote: Why not go for hardware that is specifically designed for Linux and remove any potential problems completely? https://zareason.com/shop/Laptops/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/2d3ba284-43c4-4883-957d-605adb87e...@pobox.com
Re: Anybody have a chromebook? Can it run Debian?
On Feb 2, 2013, at 1:30 AM, Lars Noodén wrote: Also beware of the screen resolution. It might not be what you think it is. I notice it is missing from the stats above. Staples technical details section says this: HD Widescreen CineCrystal™ LED-backlit LCD Display (1366 x 768) Intel HD Graphics chip 128MB Video Graphics Memory So it's not a huge display (either in physical size or in pixel real- estate) but for the price, it's acceptable. However, the reports of firmware problems, mentioned by others in this thread, are worrisome... Rick -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/d1d61e8e-af41-4562-bc09-fdd154231...@pobox.com
Re: Anybody have a chromebook? Can it run Debian?
On Sat, February 2, 2013 5:51 pm, Rick Thomas wrote: Thanks! For myself those look great. But she is *extremely* price conscious. Rick On Feb 2, 2013, at 3:28 AM, Weaver wrote: Why not go for hardware that is specifically designed for Linux and remove any potential problems completely? https://zareason.com/shop/Laptops/ Well, yes, but they wouldn't be buying in the bulk that the large operators would be, so wouldn't be able to command the price. Probably also specification cases, which wouldn't be cheap either, but all-in-all, an effort worth promoting, I think. I first saw them a few years back, so they don't appear to be the usual flash in the pan operation. On top of that, they appear to be expanding, and doing that along the lines of a distributed, local, manufacturing model also, which I think is interesting. Cheers! Weaver -- It is the duty of the patriot to protect his country from its government. -- Thomas Paine Registered Linux User: 554515 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/a9b2bb275fc7b60864fec5529fcf6694.squir...@fulvetta.riseup.net
Re: Anybody have a chromebook? Can it run Debian?
Rick Thomas wrote: I was googling for an inexpensive laptop for a friend and came across the chromebook C710 from Acer: http://www.staples.com/Acer-C710-2847-116-Chromebook/product_125265 or http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834215914 • Intel Celeron 847 1.1GHz • 2GB Memory (expandable to 4GB) 320GB HDD (5400RPM) • 11.6 HD Widescreen CineCrystal™ LED-backlit LCD • Wi-fi 802.11a/b/g/n • Google Chome OS Price $200. Can't beat the price! Does anybody have any experience with this device? Can I put Debian on it? How about other flavors of Linux? Failing that, what do you think of Chrome-OS? Can it run Libre Office? Thanks! I have a different model Chromebook with an Atom processor and a SSD. It should run Debian just fine; I have Debian on an older netbook, but good luck installing it! (My info is about a year old and from memory) Chromebook BIOS is locked-down pretty tight. You will have to find a signed installation distro and install it on the chromebook in Developer Mode. Chrome OS runs on a Linux kernel, but the terminal has *very* few commands, and you cannot get to the update manager or install any Linux software. You can install free apps from the Google store. It would be maddening as a primary computer, but I actually like it as a web appliance, except there is no native printing support. (They *really* should support CUPS) To print, you have to have a Windows or Mac running as a network print server, or a few newer printers have a built in Chrome-compatible print server. HTH :-) Bob -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/an62gofl9n...@mid.individual.net
Re: Anybody have a chromebook? Can it run Debian?
On Sat, February 2, 2013 7:06 pm, zxcvbob wrote: Rick Thomas wrote: I was googling for an inexpensive laptop for a friend and came across the chromebook C710 from Acer: http://www.staples.com/Acer-C710-2847-116-Chromebook/product_125265 or http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834215914 • Intel Celeron 847 1.1GHz • 2GB Memory (expandable to 4GB) 320GB HDD (5400RPM) • 11.6 HD Widescreen CineCrystal™ LED-backlit LCD • Wi-fi 802.11a/b/g/n • Google Chome OS Price $200. Can't beat the price! Does anybody have any experience with this device? Can I put Debian on it? How about other flavors of Linux? Failing that, what do you think of Chrome-OS? Can it run Libre Office? Thanks! I have a different model Chromebook with an Atom processor and a SSD. It should run Debian just fine; I have Debian on an older netbook, but good luck installing it! (My info is about a year old and from memory) Chromebook BIOS is locked-down pretty tight. You will have to find a signed installation distro and install it on the chromebook in Developer Mode. Chrome OS runs on a Linux kernel, but the terminal has *very* few commands, and you cannot get to the update manager or install any Linux software. You can install free apps from the Google store. It would be maddening as a primary computer, but I actually like it as a web appliance, except there is no native printing support. (They *really* should support CUPS) To print, you have to have a Windows or Mac running as a network print server, or a few newer printers have a built in Chrome-compatible print server. Thanks for the word! If you get to the recyclers, you can get some great deals. I've had this laptop, about ten years old, an HP Compaq nx6120. Debian installed natively on it, then I ran PC-BSD on it, now I'm installing Debian testing on it, with Debian-Med and a few other packages for a local charity nurse and giving it to her. I think I paid something like $100 for it originally, about four years ago, and it has never put a pixel wrong. Nothing wrong with an old machine in good nick. Regards, Weaver -- It is the duty of the patriot to protect his country from its government. -- Thomas Paine Registered Linux User: 554515 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/7f65be3bfad2dfec03cb7f95736b53c0.squir...@fulvetta.riseup.net
Re: Anybody have a chromebook? Can it run Debian?
On Sat, Feb 02, 2013 at 09:06:55PM -0600, zxcvbob wrote: I have a different model Chromebook with an Atom processor and a SSD. It should run Debian just fine; I have Debian on an older netbook, but good luck installing it! (My info is about a year old and from memory) Chromebook BIOS is locked-down pretty tight. You will have to find a signed installation distro and install it on the chromebook in Developer Mode. Chrome OS runs on a Linux kernel, but the terminal has *very* few commands, and you cannot get to the update manager or install any Linux software. You can install free apps from the Google store. I presume the device can't be rooted. :( But if so, this may be worth a look: https://play.google.com/store/search?q=linuxc=apps=en_GB At least 1,000 results -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130203050130.GC3450@tal
RE: Anybody have a chromebook? Can it run Debian?
From: Chris Bannister [mailto:cbannis...@slingshot.co.nz] On Sat, Feb 02, 2013 at 09:06:55PM -0600, zxcvbob wrote: I have a different model Chromebook with an Atom processor and a SSD. It should run Debian just fine; I have Debian on an older netbook, but good luck installing it! (My info is about a year old and from memory) Chromebook BIOS is locked-down pretty tight. You will have to find a signed installation distro and install it on the chromebook in Developer Mode. Chrome OS runs on a Linux kernel, but the terminal has *very* few commands, and you cannot get to the update manager or install any Linux software. You can install free apps from the Google store. I presume the device can't be rooted. :( But if so, this may be worth a look: https://play.google.com/store/search?q=linuxc=apps=en_GB At least 1,000 results It's been done. I don't know which specific model, but you can use developer mode in some to achieve root, and from then on, you can do what you like. https://duckduckgo.com/?q=root+chromebook -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/007601ce01d2$4ba29830$e2e7c890$@allums.com
Re: Anybody have a chromebook? Can it run Debian?
Chris Bannister wrote: On Sat, Feb 02, 2013 at 09:06:55PM -0600, zxcvbob wrote: I have a different model Chromebook with an Atom processor and a SSD. It should run Debian just fine; I have Debian on an older netbook, but good luck installing it! (My info is about a year old and from memory) Chromebook BIOS is locked-down pretty tight. You will have to find a signed installation distro and install it on the chromebook in Developer Mode. Chrome OS runs on a Linux kernel, but the terminal has *very* few commands, and you cannot get to the update manager or install any Linux software. You can install free apps from the Google store. I presume the device can't be rooted. :( But if so, this may be worth a look: https://play.google.com/store/search?q=linuxc=apps=en_GB At least 1,000 results It is possible, but it's not easy. I tried installing a Linux distro (don't remember which one) from a thumb drive in Developer Mode and the BIOS recognized it but would not boot it because it wasn't signed. Google has some way of allowing developer self-signing, but I never looked into how that works. Bob -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/an6dv6fng5...@mid.individual.net
Anybody have a chromebook? Can it run Debian?
I was googling for an inexpensive laptop for a friend and came across the chromebook C710 from Acer: http://www.staples.com/Acer-C710-2847-116-Chromebook/product_125265 or http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834215914 • Intel Celeron 847 1.1GHz • 2GB Memory (expandable to 4GB) 320GB HDD (5400RPM) • 11.6 HD Widescreen CineCrystal™ LED-backlit LCD • Wi-fi 802.11a/b/g/n • Google Chome OS Price $200. Can't beat the price! Does anybody have any experience with this device? Can I put Debian on it? How about other flavors of Linux? Failing that, what do you think of Chrome-OS? Can it run Libre Office? Thanks! Rick -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4678b2f4-32b5-4ecc-9a4e-06befe045...@pobox.com
Re: Anybody have a chromebook? Can it run Debian?
On 01/02/13 06:48 PM, Rick Thomas wrote: I was googling for an inexpensive laptop for a friend and came across the chromebook C710 from Acer: http://www.staples.com/Acer-C710-2847-116-Chromebook/product_125265 or http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834215914 • Intel Celeron 847 1.1GHz • 2GB Memory (expandable to 4GB) 320GB HDD (5400RPM) • 11.6 HD Widescreen CineCrystal™ LED-backlit LCD • Wi-fi 802.11a/b/g/n • Google Chome OS Price $200. Can't beat the price! Does anybody have any experience with this device? Can I put Debian on it? How about other flavors of Linux? Failing that, what do you think of Chrome-OS? Can it run Libre Office? Thanks! Rick No guarantees but it would be a strange device that can't run Debian. Chrome OS is another issue. It's an attempt to make the Chrome browser into a platform. This merely removes the platform compatibility issue from the operating system to the browser - just what we need. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/510c9b6b.9050...@rogers.com
