Re: Apt-Get udev and the Newest Kernel

[Manoj Srivastava]

On Thu, 18 Aug 2005 07:29:20 -0600, Rick Macdonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: 

> Manoj Srivastava wrote:
>> 4% $Get_Root make-kpkg --revision=custom.1.0 kernel_image

> Manoj - I've switched from "--revision=" to "--append-to-version"
> because new kernels of the same version don't clash module
> directories.  It seems much better to me. Do you still prefer
> "--revision" for some reason?

I use append-to-version when compiling a new image of the same
 version, though recently the speed at which kernels are released
 (2.6.11.5, fer gawds sake) exceeds the rate at which I rebuild my
 kernels, so I rarely have to.

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Re: Apt-Get udev and the Newest Kernel

[Manoj Srivastava]

On Thu, 18 Aug 2005 06:16:15 -0400, Antonio Rodriguez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: 

> Manoj, btw, as an insider, how broken is sid as of now?

I run Sid, and the breakage due to C++ transition seems to be
 mostly behind me -- but I never was much out of sync. Upgrades from
 Sarge may still be interesting.

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Re: Apt-Get udev and the Newest Kernel

[Rick Macdonald]

Manoj Srivastava wrote:

 4% $Get_Root make-kpkg --revision=custom.1.0 kernel_image 


Manoj - I've switched from "--revision=" to "--append-to-version" 
because new kernels of the same version don't clash module directories. 
It seems much better to me. Do you still prefer "--revision" for some 
reason?


...RickM...


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Re: Apt-Get udev and the Newest Kernel

[Antonio Rodriguez]

On Wed, Aug 17, 2005 at 09:15:15PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:

> If this is ridiculously complex, umm. are you sure you want to
>  be running Sid?
> 
> manoj


Manoj, btw, as an insider, how broken is sid as of now? 

I'm waiting for some unstable stability before I go back to it (Im
sorry, if all did this, the mantainers would loose many bug reporters,
but for what I am doing, that was too much unstability)

Thanks


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Re: Apt-Get udev and the Newest Kernel (SOLVED)

[David R. Litwin]

It seems that there is no lack of Documentation and Good Support for those wishing to fiddle with their Kernels: Specifically, create a Kernel-Image.However, I no longer have this problem: I discovered that Debian has simply changed the name of the Kernel-Images to Linux-Images.
Mystery Solved and thanks for all of the Information!

Re: Apt-Get udev and the Newest Kernel

[Damon Chesser]

On Wednesday 17 August 2005 21:15, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 01:05:47 -0400, David R Litwin
>
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> > I read entirely through the Creating Custom Kernels with Debian's
> > Kernel-Package System and I don't think I really feel like doing
> > that.  It seems ridiculously elaborate.
>
> Phase ONE: Getting and configuring the kernel
>  1% cd  (make sure you have write permission there)
>  2% make config # or make menuconfig or make xconfig (or, for 2.6.x
> kernels, make gconfig) and configure
>
> Phase TWO: Create a portable kernel image .deb file
>  3% make-kpkg clean
>  4% $Get_Root make-kpkg --revision=custom.1.0 kernel_image
>   (Get_Root is whatever you need to become root -- fakeroot or
>   sudo are examples that come to mind).  NOTE: if you have
>   instructed your boot loader to expect initrd kernels (which is
>   the norm for recent official kernel image packages) you need to
>   add --initrd to the line above.
>% $Get_Root make-kpkg --initrd --revision=custom.1.0 kernel_image
>   Personally, I prefer non initrd images for my personal machines,
>   since then adding third party modules to the machine has fewer
>   gotchas
> Phase THREE: Install the kernel image on one or more machines
>  5# dpkg -i ../kernel-image-X.XXX_1.0_.deb
>
>  With the addition of fakeroot ( a really nice program, I recommend
>  it). Steps 1 to 4 can be carried out as a non root user. Step 5 does
>  require root privileges.
>
>
> If this is ridiculously complex, umm. are you sure you want to
>  be running Sid?
Indeed, let's compare it to the standard linux way:

!. Get kernel source, make configure, make menuconfig
2. make all
3. make_modules
4. make_modules install
5. mv /boot/vmlunuz /boot/vmlunuz, 
cp /usr/src/linux/arch(i386)/boot/bzImage /boot/vmlunuz
6.mv /boot/System.map /boot/System.map 
cp //usr/src/linux/System.map /boot/System.map
7. edit /boot/grup/menu.lst or /boot/lilo.conf? to reflect the new kernel.

as you can see, kernel-package is MUCH more complex requiring less steps and 
far less editing.  Please read /usr/share/kernel-package/README (it is 
compressed untill you extract it)  That is the single best kernel howto I 
have ever read.

>
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Re: Apt-Get udev and the Newest Kernel

[David R. Litwin]

 If this is ridiculously complex, umm. are you sure you want to be running Sid?
A good question: Allow me to answer: (In no particular order)I want all the latest, most up-to-date soft-ware.If ever I can help report bugs (which I have been known to do) then that is a nice thing to do.
One of the reasons I switched to Linux was so that I could really learn how a computer works. So, having Sid (which is inherently un-stable) may mean I need to get in to the Nitty-gritty of my computer. Which can often be a good thing: I love to learn.
But, as it turns out, I do not need to create a Kernel-Image: An Official Debian one already exists. It simply had a bit of a Name Change, you see, which I did not know about.But, thank you for your information: It's always useful to have different options, yes?
May you find Water and Shade this day.

Re: Apt-Get udev and the Newest Kernel

[Manoj Srivastava]

On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 01:05:47 -0400, David R Litwin
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:  

> I read entirely through the Creating Custom Kernels with Debian's
> Kernel-Package System and I don't think I really feel like doing
> that.  It seems ridiculously elaborate.

Phase ONE: Getting and configuring the kernel
 1% cd  (make sure you have write permission there)
 2% make config # or make menuconfig or make xconfig (or, for 2.6.x
kernels, make gconfig) and configure

Phase TWO: Create a portable kernel image .deb file
 3% make-kpkg clean
 4% $Get_Root make-kpkg --revision=custom.1.0 kernel_image 
  (Get_Root is whatever you need to become root -- fakeroot or
  sudo are examples that come to mind).  NOTE: if you have
  instructed your boot loader to expect initrd kernels (which is
  the norm for recent official kernel image packages) you need to
  add --initrd to the line above.
   % $Get_Root make-kpkg --initrd --revision=custom.1.0 kernel_image 
  Personally, I prefer non initrd images for my personal machines,
  since then adding third party modules to the machine has fewer
  gotchas
Phase THREE: Install the kernel image on one or more machines
 5# dpkg -i ../kernel-image-X.XXX_1.0_.deb

 With the addition of fakeroot ( a really nice program, I recommend
 it). Steps 1 to 4 can be carried out as a non root user. Step 5 does
 require root privileges.


If this is ridiculously complex, umm. are you sure you want to
 be running Sid?

manoj
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Re: Apt-Get udev and the Newest Kernel

[Jon Dowland]

On Tue, Aug 16, 2005 at 01:05:47AM -0400, David R. Litwin wrote:
> I read entirely through the Creating Custom Kernels with Debian's
> Kernel-Package System and I don't think I really feel like doing that.
> It seems ridiculously elaborate.

Well if you aren't fussed about fine-tuning the configuration, it's a
six-liner:

obtain and unpack kernel sources
/usr/src$ wget ...
/usr/src$ tar -xzf ...
/usr/src$ cd ...

copy in existing config
/usr/src/...$ cp /boot/config-`uname -r` .config

build
/usr/src/...$ fakeroot make-kpkg --append_to_version  kernel-image

install
/usr/src# dpkg -i kernel-image**deb

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Re: Apt-Get udev and the Newest Kernel

[Adam Mercer]

On 16/08/05, David R. Litwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> When I apt-get install arts, it want libarts1c2 which wants libqt3-mt
> which deletes 244 packages (KDE). Now, I know that the Debian
> developers are changing KDE to be c++ oriented (or some thing like
> that) and are changing the packages of Qt to ...c2. I installed KDE
> 3.4.1 from Alioth which doesn't have the c2. So, how do I rectify this
> situation?

As you expect KDE is going through the C++ ABI transition, see the
following email from the KDE maintainers

http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2005/08/msg01044.html

They essentially say that if you want a working KDE system, to hold
any KDE updates until they send an email round saying the transition
is done.

Cheers

Adam

Re: Apt-Get udev and the Newest Kernel

[David R. Litwin]

> I see in another posting that you solved your problem.  But to address
> the above see this documentation.  Because really it is not that hard
> and the kenrel-package makes this all quite easy.
> 
>   http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html

Yes, it has been mostly solved (though some thing else has cropped
up.). Concerning the documentation link you gave me, that is precisly
what I had read and commented on: It makes it seem like it is
increadilbly complex, despite its saying to the contrary.

But, I muight as well ask:

The following packages have been kept back:
   arts (1.4.1-1 => 1.4.2-2)
   libtunepimp-bin (0.3.0-3 => 0.3.0-7)

When I apt-get install arts, it want libarts1c2 which wants libqt3-mt
which deletes 244 packages (KDE). Now, I know that the Debian
developers are changing KDE to be c++ oriented (or some thing like
that) and are changing the packages of Qt to ...c2. I installed KDE
3.4.1 from Alioth which doesn't have the c2. So, how do I rectify this
situation?

(There was some thing else, but I can not recall.)

Thank you Kindly in advance.

Re: Apt-Get udev and the Newest Kernel

[Bob Proulx]

David R. Litwin wrote:
> I read entirely through the Creating Custom Kernels with Debian's
> Kernel-Package System and I don't think I really feel like doing that.
> It seems ridiculously elaborate.

I see in another posting that you solved your problem.  But to address
the above see this documentation.  Because really it is not that hard
and the kenrel-package makes this all quite easy.

  http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html

Bob


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Re: Apt-Get udev and the Newest Kernel

[David R. Litwin]

> kernel-image was renamed to linux-kernel to accommodate for hurd and
> other kernels in near future.

So it was! That would explain why when I searched in the Packages I
found linux-kernel and not kernel-image.

I thank you kindly!

I will try to dpkg -i and hopefully all shall go well.

Re: Apt-Get udev and the Newest Kernel

[David R. Litwin]

I read entirely through the Creating Custom Kernels with Debian's
Kernel-Package System and I don't think I really feel like doing that.
It seems ridiculously elaborate.

So, let's try this again.

I still have the problem I wrote of (namely udev needing a 2.6.12
kernel and I have only a 2.6.11 kernel so apt-get doesn't work
presently) but I really don't feel like making a Kernel-Image. So, A:
are there any other alternatives? or B: When will there be a nice
kernel-image-2.6.12-i686.deb package that I can use either apt-get or
dpkg -i (the latter if the apt-get situation isn't resolved) to
install?

I thank you kindly in advance.

Re: Apt-Get udev and the Newest Kernel

[[KS]]

David R. Litwin wrote:
> My problem is (possibly) three-fold:
> 
> I dist-upgraded to Sid a few hours ago and haven't fully installed it
> because udev can not be installed with the 2.6.11 kernel. So, I need
> the 2.6.12 kernel, but it isn't a kernel-image. So, I must make one
> myself, which I am quite willing to do.
> 
> However, apt-get refuses to do any thing until the udev situation is
> resolved. And, trying to
> make my own kernel image require many (many) packages which requires
> apt-get (to do it via dpkg -i would take a blasted long time indeed).
> So, I should like to know what I should to do. If I force udev to
> install with the 2.6.11 kernel, create a 2.6.12 kernel-image, install
> this, will udev automatically fix itself to work with the 2.6.12
> kernel?
> 
> If not, what should I do?
> 
> I thank you kindly in advance.
> 

kernel-image was renamed to linux-kernel to accommodate for hurd and
other kernels in near future.

 apt-cache show linux-image-2.6.12-1-686
apt-cache show linux-headers-2.6.12-1
apt-cache show linux-headers-2.6.12-1-686


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Apt-Get udev and the Newest Kernel

[David R. Litwin]

My problem is (possibly) three-fold:

I dist-upgraded to Sid a few hours ago and haven't fully installed it
because udev can not be installed with the 2.6.11 kernel. So, I need
the 2.6.12 kernel, but it isn't a kernel-image. So, I must make one
myself, which I am quite willing to do.

However, apt-get refuses to do any thing until the udev situation is
resolved. And, trying to
make my own kernel image require many (many) packages which requires
apt-get (to do it via dpkg -i would take a blasted long time indeed).
So, I should like to know what I should to do. If I force udev to
install with the 2.6.11 kernel, create a 2.6.12 kernel-image, install
this, will udev automatically fix itself to work with the 2.6.12
kernel?

If not, what should I do?

I thank you kindly in advance.