Re: Assumed bug in Debian Sid: monitor cannot be reconfigured with dpkg-reconfigure
Damon L. Chesser wrote: Ron, one of the few times I have to disagree with you: Yes this is 2008 and we are running Debian, however, Xorg -configure will still work. "-configure When this option is specified, the Xorg server loads all video driver modules, probes for available hardware, and writes out an initial xorg.conf(5) file based on what was detected. This option currently has some problems on some platforms, but in most cases it is a good way to bootstrap the configuration process. This option is only available when the server is run as root (i.e, with real-uid 0)." IIRC it will drop a test config into the PWD you then can test out with startx -config /path/to/file/just/written to test (though I am not sure about the startx option, it might be something all together different). I have had to do this a few times to get X configured, all though not in about two years. FWIW, I no longer get asked about the monitor selection after the first time I run dpkg-reconfigure xorg.conf either. Run Xorg -configure to probe your hardware, then run X -config /root/xorg.conf.new to test it. How ever, this also does not give you a monitor selection field, it only probes your hardware and inserts reasonable defaults. So as a test, I moved xorg.conf out of the way and started X (with out an xorg.conf at all). For some reason X did not start (complained about not being able to open the frame buffer device, which I am running). Sometimes this worked in the past, sometime it did not. I suspect that if I was not running a FB, it would have started with out a xorg.conf. I then ran dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (with no xorg.conf in place) and no questions about my monitor were asked. I then started X. It would not start due to not being able to find glx (I assume dpkg-reconfigure "saw" I had nvidia-kernel-module loaded up, but don't know why it did not find nvidia-glx). I ran it again, and choose not to use a fb device. It started X just fine. Next: I ran X -configure, then moved xorg.conf.new to /etc/X11/xorg.conf and started gdm. It fired up with out a hickup (all though it only used one monitor, but that was expected with out hacking the xorg.conf file). Conclusion: the OP is correct, for what ever reason, you get asked once about monitor selection if you run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (even with -plow). I don't know if this is a bug or a design issue. Also for what ever reason, if you get rid of my hand made xorg.conf, dpkg-reconfigure is unable to make a working xorg.conf for me (using fb) (YMMV) but X -configure makes one that will at least fire up (even though it still needs to be hacked to give my my two monitors, and that is almost understandable) and is very usable. I looked at the config file made with both methods: X -configure has monitor freqs in it: Section "Monitor" #DisplaySize 410 260# mm Identifier "Monitor0" VendorName "DEL" ModelName"DELL SE198WFP" ### Comment all HorizSync and VertRefresh values to use DDC: HorizSync30.0 - 83.0 VertRefresh 56.0 - 75.0 Option"DPMS" EndSection I can conclude that if you comment out the freqs, that xorg will probe the monitor for the correct values (just like it says). From the dpkg-reconfigure I have no info at all about the monitor or the freqs. I can conclude that it is using DDC on the fly to get the correct freqs. We can also conclude that you don't need to be asked for the frequency any more based on the comment from the X -configure config file. While it is true that X -configure is NOT a debian tool, it is a X tool that comes with the package and in at least my case, works. I am looking forward to the time when I don't have to use saved back up of my xorg.conf file to get my two monitors working and xorg "just" gets it right. Even with that "annoyance" it still beats the hell out of my first time with Debian and testing (Woody) and the month it took to get X working. OP, you never said of your new monitor works or not? Do you get X running on it? Is it configured to use the resolution you want? If you check your xorg.conf does it contain the correct information? As I have tested above, the fact that dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg does not ask for the monitor parameters does not matter as xorg will probe your monitor and use DDC to pull the correct settings. The only question after that is are you using a FB device (if I choose yes, it will not work, YMMV), what kind of mouse do you have, and what resolution do you want to run. To fix the resolution, just edit xorg.conf (if you don't have the correct resolution you desire). HTH. -- Damon L. Chesser [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linkedin.com/in/dchesser -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Assumed bug in Debian Sid: monitor cannot be reconfigured with dpkg-reconfigure
On Mon May 19 2008 07:58:01 am Preston Boyington wrote: > Uwe Bugla wrote: > > I am running the latest Debian Lenny / Sid combination and wanted to > > adjust a workstation to another monitor. > > > > Traditionallly that works by the following command: > > dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. > > > > If I run that command, the script ends up with the question whether to > > emulate a 3-button mouse or not. > > > > Can someone reading this reproduce this bug? > > Can you please fix it? > > I can verify the same. after running 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' we > could reconfigure keyboard and mouse but nothing else. the xorg.conf > file says something like "pre-configured device" (not at machine > currently) for monitor and video card. > > my question is where are the actual configuration settings located if > they are no longer in /etc/X11/xorg.conf? i want to help set up a > friends ATI video card and i normally edit the xorg.conf file to load > the modules for 3D output. From what I gather (from reading this thread mostly), you don't need an xorg.conf anymore although you can still use one if need be. The idea is that xorg probs your hardware and away it goes without the need for any config. I good idea I think although we are in the early stages and it may need more work. > i thought my friend was crazy last night when i was trying to help him > over the phone and he couldn't find the xorg.config section i was > telling him to go to. now i will have to buy him a beer or something... > :-/ Your friend may need a simple xorg.conf to load the ati module (it may not be needed either, need to try it out and see) but I would say he owes you a beer for helping him with this stuff.. :) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Assumed bug in Debian Sid: monitor cannot be reconfigured with dpkg-reconfigure
Uwe Bugla wrote: I am running the latest Debian Lenny / Sid combination and wanted to adjust a workstation to another monitor. Traditionallly that works by the following command: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. If I run that command, the script ends up with the question whether to emulate a 3-button mouse or not. Can someone reading this reproduce this bug? Can you please fix it? I can verify the same. after running 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' we could reconfigure keyboard and mouse but nothing else. the xorg.conf file says something like "pre-configured device" (not at machine currently) for monitor and video card. my question is where are the actual configuration settings located if they are no longer in /etc/X11/xorg.conf? i want to help set up a friends ATI video card and i normally edit the xorg.conf file to load the modules for 3D output. i thought my friend was crazy last night when i was trying to help him over the phone and he couldn't find the xorg.config section i was telling him to go to. now i will have to buy him a beer or something... :-/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Assumed bug in Debian Sid: monitor cannot be reconfigured with dpkg-reconfigure
Ron Johnson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 05/19/08 01:48, Thierry Chatelet wrote: [snip] Look at man xorg Xorg -configure should give you a new xorg.conf that you can modify yourself if needed. Check your calendar. This is 2008, not 1998. And this is Debian, not Slackware. We use dpkg-reconfigure. - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA ESPN makes baseball players better. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFIMTM7S9HxQb37XmcRAvBgAKCuwUfjwiG28GTpABY/g+1pe2htmQCfZINA NdxX4veMq0eR/xgImphFukQ= =ti4H -END PGP SIGNATURE- Ron, one of the few times I have to disagree with you: Yes this is 2008 and we are running Debian, however, Xorg -configure will still work. "-configure When this option is specified, the Xorg server loads all video driver modules, probes for available hardware, and writes out an initial xorg.conf(5) file based on what was detected. This option currently has some problems on some platforms, but in most cases it is a good way to bootstrap the configuration process. This option is only available when the server is run as root (i.e, with real-uid 0)." IIRC it will drop a test config into the PWD you then can test out with startx -config /path/to/file/just/written to test (though I am not sure about the startx option, it might be something all together different). I have had to do this a few times to get X configured, all though not in about two years. FWIW, I no longer get asked about the monitor selection after the first time I run dpkg-reconfigure xorg.conf either. -- Damon L. Chesser [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linkedin.com/in/dchesser -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Assumed bug in Debian Sid: monitor cannot be reconfigured with dpkg-reconfigure
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 05/19/08 01:48, Thierry Chatelet wrote: [snip] > > Look at man xorg > Xorg -configure should give you a new xorg.conf that you can modify yourself > if needed. Check your calendar. This is 2008, not 1998. And this is Debian, not Slackware. We use dpkg-reconfigure. - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA ESPN makes baseball players better. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFIMTM7S9HxQb37XmcRAvBgAKCuwUfjwiG28GTpABY/g+1pe2htmQCfZINA NdxX4veMq0eR/xgImphFukQ= =ti4H -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Assumed bug in Debian Sid: monitor cannot be reconfigured with dpkg-reconfigure
On Monday 19 May 2008 04:48:10 Ron Johnson wrote: > On 05/18/08 20:51, s. keeling wrote: > > Florian Kulzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > >> On Sun, May 18, 2008 at 17:20:05 +0200, s. keeling wrote: > >>> Uwe Bugla wrote: > I am running the latest Debian Lenny / Sid combination and wanted > >>> > >>> Lenny is testing. Sid is unstable. There is no "Lenny / Sid", except > >>> of your making. > >> > >> He is probably simply quoting what he sees at every VT login prompt: > >> "Debian GNU/Linux lenny/sid". There is no need to bark at him like > >> that. > > > > Why are you imagining all these exclamation points you're seeing? > > They're not in my post. I wasn't "barking." > > > > I don't run either lenny or sid. Are their prompts broken? > > > > To the OP: uname -a ; cat /etc/debian_version > > Sid+Exprimental says... > > $ cat /etc/debian_version > lenny/sid > > -- > Ron Johnson, Jr. > Jefferson LA USA > > ESPN makes baseball players better. Look at man xorg Xorg -configure should give you a new xorg.conf that you can modify yourself if needed. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Assumed bug in Debian Sid: monitor cannot be reconfigured with dpkg-reconfigure
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 05/18/08 20:51, s. keeling wrote: > Florian Kulzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> On Sun, May 18, 2008 at 17:20:05 +0200, s. keeling wrote: >>> Uwe Bugla wrote: I am running the latest Debian Lenny / Sid combination and wanted >>> Lenny is testing. Sid is unstable. There is no "Lenny / Sid", except >>> of your making. >> He is probably simply quoting what he sees at every VT login prompt: >> "Debian GNU/Linux lenny/sid". There is no need to bark at him like that. > > Why are you imagining all these exclamation points you're seeing? > They're not in my post. I wasn't "barking." > > I don't run either lenny or sid. Are their prompts broken? > > To the OP: uname -a ; cat /etc/debian_version Sid+Exprimental says... $ cat /etc/debian_version lenny/sid - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA ESPN makes baseball players better. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFIMOpqS9HxQb37XmcRAl02AJ9GHPMAcorINNUbucc1WElLTH8JNwCePvGw 4yCbl6f5SyXd7TROf2QAmyI= =78kd -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Assumed bug in Debian Sid: monitor cannot be reconfigured with dpkg-reconfigure
Florian Kulzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Sun, May 18, 2008 at 17:20:05 +0200, s. keeling wrote: > > Uwe Bugla wrote: > > > > > > I am running the latest Debian Lenny / Sid combination and wanted > > > > Lenny is testing. Sid is unstable. There is no "Lenny / Sid", except > > of your making. > > He is probably simply quoting what he sees at every VT login prompt: > "Debian GNU/Linux lenny/sid". There is no need to bark at him like that. Why are you imagining all these exclamation points you're seeing? They're not in my post. I wasn't "barking." I don't run either lenny or sid. Are their prompts broken? To the OP: uname -a ; cat /etc/debian_version > > > If I run that command, the script ends up with the question whether to > > > emulate > > > a 3-button mouse or not. > > > > > > Can someone reading this reproduce this bug? > > > > Why do you consider this a bug? You're reconfiguring the X server and > > the mouse is part of that. Do you have a three-button mouse? If so, > > say no to the emulation. > > As he says quite clearly, he can no longer choose the monitor resolution > like he used to, because the configuration dialog now stops after the > mouse questions. There is no need to bark at him like that. He does not say that clearly, at all. Stops? Where did he say that? He says he's presented with a question regarding his mouse, which he appears to consider tangential to the problem, and that's where *he* stops. I was telling him his mouse is integral to congiguring X, and to continue by providing the information it wants. > > > Can you please fix it? > > > > It's not broken. > > That remains to be seen. If the dialog is gone now and Xorg cannot > figure things out on its own then this may well qualify as a bug. In any > case, he has a Debian-related problem and he asked for help on the > debian-user list. There is no need to bark at him like that. Woof. You, I'm barking at. I've been asked that question everytime I dpkg-reconfigure for more than a decade. If he's never been through an install before, I'd expect his confusion. I assumed from his post that he's not an ultra-noob. -- Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced. (*)http://blinkynet.net/comp/uip5.html Linux Counter #80292 - -http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1855.htmlPlease, don't Cc: me. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Assumed bug in Debian Sid: monitor cannot be reconfigured with dpkg-reconfigure
Florian Kulzer wrote : On Sun, May 18, 2008 at 17:20:05 +0200, s. keeling wrote: Uwe Bugla wrote: I am running the latest Debian Lenny / Sid combination and wanted Lenny is testing. Sid is unstable. There is no "Lenny / Sid", except of your making. He is probably simply quoting what he sees at every VT login prompt: "Debian GNU/Linux lenny/sid". There is no need to bark at him like that. to adjust a workstation to another monitor. Traditionallly that works by the following command: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. If I run that command, the script ends up with the question whether to emulate a 3-button mouse or not. Can someone reading this reproduce this bug? Why do you consider this a bug? You're reconfiguring the X server and the mouse is part of that. Do you have a three-button mouse? If so, say no to the emulation. As he says quite clearly, he can no longer choose the monitor resolution like he used to, because the configuration dialog now stops after the mouse questions. There is no need to bark at him like that. Can you please fix it? It's not broken. That remains to be seen. If the dialog is gone now and Xorg cannot figure things out on its own then this may well qualify as a bug. In any case, he has a Debian-related problem and he asked for help on the debian-user list. There is no need to bark at him like that. He isn't an isolated case, go have a look at forums.debian.net or linuxquestions.org in the Debian section to mention just a few, you will see that the supposed "automagic" function shipped with xorg just isn't working in numerous cases (I count among them). Reminds me of the Mac a bit, where the magic is supposed to happen behind the scene, but when it doesn't... Sorry I don't have a cure for the initial problem, aside from editing the xorg.conf manually, or using something like "KXGenerator" to help you in the process. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Assumed bug in Debian Sid: monitor cannot be reconfigured with dpkg-reconfigure
On Sun, May 18, 2008 at 17:20:05 +0200, s. keeling wrote: > Uwe Bugla wrote: > > > > I am running the latest Debian Lenny / Sid combination and wanted > > Lenny is testing. Sid is unstable. There is no "Lenny / Sid", except > of your making. He is probably simply quoting what he sees at every VT login prompt: "Debian GNU/Linux lenny/sid". There is no need to bark at him like that. > > to adjust a workstation to another monitor. > > > > Traditionallly that works by the following command: > > dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. > > > > If I run that command, the script ends up with the question whether to > > emulate > > a 3-button mouse or not. > > > > Can someone reading this reproduce this bug? > > Why do you consider this a bug? You're reconfiguring the X server and > the mouse is part of that. Do you have a three-button mouse? If so, > say no to the emulation. As he says quite clearly, he can no longer choose the monitor resolution like he used to, because the configuration dialog now stops after the mouse questions. There is no need to bark at him like that. > > Can you please fix it? > > It's not broken. That remains to be seen. If the dialog is gone now and Xorg cannot figure things out on its own then this may well qualify as a bug. In any case, he has a Debian-related problem and he asked for help on the debian-user list. There is no need to bark at him like that. -- Regards,| http://users.icfo.es/Florian.Kulzer Florian | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Assumed bug in Debian Sid: monitor cannot be reconfigured with dpkg-reconfigure
Uwe Bugla <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > I am running the latest Debian Lenny / Sid combination and wanted Lenny is testing. Sid is unstable. There is no "Lenny / Sid", except of your making. > to adjust a workstation to another monitor. > > Traditionallly that works by the following command: > dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. > > If I run that command, the script ends up with the question whether to > emulate > a 3-button mouse or not. > > Can someone reading this reproduce this bug? Why do you consider this a bug? You're reconfiguring the X server and the mouse is part of that. Do you have a three-button mouse? If so, say no to the emulation. > Can you please fix it? It's not broken. -- Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced. (*)http://blinkynet.net/comp/uip5.html Linux Counter #80292 - -http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1855.htmlPlease, don't Cc: me. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Assumed bug in Debian Sid: monitor cannot be reconfigured with dpkg-reconfigure
On Sun, May 18, 2008 at 04:00:30PM +0200, Uwe Bugla <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > I am running the latest Debian Lenny / Sid combination and wanted to adjust a > workstation to another monitor. > > Traditionallly that works by the following command: > dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. > > If I run that command, the script ends up with the question whether to > emulate > a 3-button mouse or not. This may be a dumb question, but does the monitor work afterwards? I ask because IIRC, the new version of xorg is supposed to be magically auto-configuring and not need dpkg-reconfiguring to detect the current hardware. I haven't had the nerve to try this, but you can force it to ignore any old configuration you have by renaming your xorg.conf and perhaps running dpkg-reconfigure. For more information, read here: http://gravityboy.livejournal.com/40620.html Daniel -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Assumed bug in Debian Sid: monitor cannot be reconfigured with dpkg-reconfigure
Hi, I am running the latest Debian Lenny / Sid combination and wanted to adjust a workstation to another monitor. Traditionallly that works by the following command: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. If I run that command, the script ends up with the question whether to emulate a 3-button mouse or not. Can someone reading this reproduce this bug? Can you please fix it? Regards Uwe -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
